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Ramjade
post May 2 2024, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 2 2024, 10:17 AM)
Did I seem to be replying to you? no? Why take into heart? You don't need convincing from me or anyone else since you're so "knowledgeable" already.

You are just here to try to convince everyone to buy elsewhere than agents even if you had no personal experience with whatever you recommend but you yourself said you bought AIA from agent yourself for your OWN insurance.

Oh, but why?

Because you're just pissed that you sounded like an idiot from the start when you first came into the thread and can't stand to be corrected by us. But nevertheless, you'll claim we are toxic / useless.

Also, I'm still waiting for you to honor your own words to never patron this thread again as you said yourself a couple of post back. But somehow, you're still here. Ironic. I guess you like the toxicity in here and you can't leave.

PS: I'm not mad, just tired of you playing dumb and troll in here. I know your game so I'm calling you out. Let me tell you what's your next move, you'll just continue to stay here and just continue to sing your song to sway the audience thinking you're some kind of "saint" that just tells everyone that it's better to buy insurance without an agent for no commission elsewhere but rather than listen to sound advice from proper financial advisor like me. Cause you just don't want anyone else to listen to but "RAMJADE" - So called financial guru who copy-paste sources from other financial post online.

Keep trying to stay relevant here by continuing to preach your oversea insurance and whatever other small lubang insurance plans that you are scheming.

Again, I'd like to remind everyone of Ramjade's long history here. The above is nothing new. It's been 2 years I assume (didn't bother to check the history log)

Again, as a Licensed Financial Planner myself, I take a neutral stance whether a person buys an ILP or Term Insurance and do not have any special favor towards any specific insurance company.

But I'd like to remind everyone to exercise good financial planning before deciding to cancel something just because it's assumed "No agent = No commission" and assume it's ultimately "Better".
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I buy AIA for one reason
1. The most no issue admission insurance. I got not much data for gathercare. I have only one data on medisavers.

I don't like the toxicity here but I will reply and share what I know.

Er let us just say I know some stuff about you. A little birdie told me. Which make my instinct correct.

Hello, in case you don't know I did take advise from some people here. Only I didn't message you. You were not on my list of potential agent. Don't feel bad that I didn't consider you as my agent while I consider lots of people here as my potential agent. I was glad I trusted my instincts. I message around 4 people here.

If can, I won't use agent. But the environment make it impossible to buy without an agent. So no choice. But I am glad I didn't pick you as my agent.

You maybe licensed but you have lousy ethics. Lots of people are licensed. Bad or good apples. It's about choosing the good apples from the bad apples.

Anyway since you like to win so much, let you win lo. I got nothing to lose anyway except my time.

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post May 2 2024, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(codercoder @ May 2 2024, 10:02 AM)
I am paying rm275 for plan 200. I think got 2 years already. if switch to medisaver, I think save around rm600 per year.

that person who recommended me can some kind of referer fee

this one https://www.lonpac.com/personal-insurance/health/medisecure is lonpac generic product. not the one they design for medisaver.
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Yup. You are focusing on how much you save per year. But what are you getting for paying that 275? Do you know? What other coverage attach to your IL policy?

Anyway, i admit budget is an important concern for many but what if i have a better option than medisavers that is about the same price? How would you feel? (Just giving general advice, you can sought out options but i am not agent, i can propose you anything). Anyway, is this medisecure same as medisavers? I can help provide more advice if i have more information. This medisecure having less benefit, naturally less cost to you as customer.

I wrote this somewhere to another person, i just copy paste again... i know i'm bombarding you with questions but buying insurance is not buying a tshirt.

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Changing insurance plan is not like changing your phone postpaid plan. There is alot of fees that you have paid. And you may pay more if you buy a new one. Which is why BNM always have this warning that they force the companies to put in. Buying a life insurance is a long term commitment, it is not advisable to switch plans due to the high initial cost.

But what most people dont know is, you can go back to AIA ask to reduce the premium instead of getting another plan that you requires you to pay rm50 less. There are limitations adjusting premium but for simplicity, let's assume it can. In the world of mobile postpaid plan, it may have the same effect. In the world of insurance it is not the same. I dunno how to explain how it's not the same but that warrants a separate reply and post all together.

The actions available to you arent just 0 and 1 where you keep or you say bye bye. There is something in between.


Ok. Having said that, you "only" been in it for 2 years. Although 1st and 2nd year charges are the highest, you can still "take yourself" out i suppose. If year 5 or 6, i really strongly recommend think 3 to 4 times because i wrote what's up there.

It's tedious, it's alot of work, but it's worth putting the effort to find out why you pay 275 every month. Else you will come back again few years down the road, aiya, AIA still better, more panel hospital, i think i want to switch back to AIA. Then you end up enriching the pockets of agents or people who earn referral fee and does not benefit you and in fact, not benefitting the insurance company too.

This post has been edited by adele123: May 2 2024, 10:47 AM
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post May 2 2024, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 2 2024, 10:37 AM)
I buy AIA for one reason
1. The most no issue admission insurance. I got not much data for gathercare. I have only one data on medisavers.

I don't like the toxicity here but I will reply and share what I know.

Er let us just say I know some stuff about you. A little birdie told me. Which make my instinct correct.

Hello, in case you don't know I  did take advise from some people here. Only I didn't message you. You were not on my list of potential agent. Don't feel bad that I didn't consider you as my agent while I consider lots of people here as my potential agent. I was glad I trusted my instincts. I message around 4 people here.

If can, I won't use agent. But the environment make it impossible to buy without an agent. So no choice. But I am glad I didn't pick you as my agent.

You maybe licensed but you have lousy ethics. Lots of people are licensed. Bad or good apples. It's about choosing the good apples from the bad apples.

Anyway since you like to win so much, let you win lo. I got nothing to lose anyway except my time.
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laugh.gif okay. Whatever, I'll continue to call you out.

For now, you're just a man with no honor to his words.

PS I'd like how you avoid all the statements I've made with irrelevant answers. Must be so true.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: May 2 2024, 10:53 AM
Ramjade
post May 2 2024, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(codercoder @ May 2 2024, 10:02 AM)
I am paying rm275 for plan 200. I think got 2 years already. if switch to medisaver, I think save around rm600 per year.

that person who recommended me can some kind of referer fee

this one https://www.lonpac.com/personal-insurance/health/medisecure is lonpac generic product. not the one they design for medisaver.
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When you buy insurance you need to know what you are buying and plan our your finance for it. It's not the now premium you need to worry. Is can you afford the premium at say when you are 70 years old? Add on additional 50-100% on top of current projected premium to get more or less the real cost.

Medical insurance will get more expansive with time. Insurance is something you don't want to claim but you are thankful that you get it.
If budget is really an issue, can try looking at Deartime (insurance for B40). Not recommended but something better than nothing.
For me, gathercare premium beats everyone but some may say it's sketchy. Up to you to do your own research. I did mine and saw nothing wrong with it. Just not popular.

When you buy an ILP you are paying for excess. Do you really need the excess? There is no free lunch in insurance. When you buy standalone, you are just paying for insurance.

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 2 2024, 10:50 AM)
laugh.gif okay. Whatever, I'll continue to call you out.

For now, you're just a man with no honor to his words.

PS I'd like how you avoid all the statements I've made with irrelevant answers. Must be so true.
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I just malas and don't want waste time on people like you. Unlike you, I got nothing to sell. Nothing to gain. I guess that is what piss you off cause you cannot understand how people like me can give info away for free without expecting any payment.

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post May 2 2024, 10:19 PM

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Sifu,

For AIA Plus Health 2, with 20k deductible

1. How is the hospitalization process? get GL, get treatment, pay 20k to hospital, AIA will pay the rest?

2. For Cancer Chemo that requires warded due to long treatment time (more than 8 hours), the deductible apply?

3. How hard is it to use company medical first and if not enough want to use AIA medical card?


https://www.aia.com.my/content/dam/my-wise/...rochure_3rd.pdf
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post May 3 2024, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(amerz @ May 2 2024, 10:19 PM)
Sifu,

For AIA Plus Health 2, with 20k deductible

1. How is the hospitalization process? get GL, get treatment, pay 20k to hospital, AIA will pay the rest?

2. For Cancer Chemo that requires warded due to long treatment time (more than 8 hours), the deductible apply?

3. How hard is it to use company medical first and if not enough want to use AIA medical card?
https://www.aia.com.my/content/dam/my-wise/...rochure_3rd.pdf
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1. Ya betul.
Just like how the brochure mentioned.
Cost saving option 3 (20k per year) works like this - So long as the first 20k in medical bills within that policy year is borne by you, anything beyond that AIA settle. This refreshes every year.
Would you be open to Cost saving option 2? Which is on a per disability basis, and capped at 20k.

2. As a follow up to an initial cancer treatment already performed, no it does not apply.

3. It is now seamless, done at the hospital level, a matter of communication between hospital admission and AIA.
I don't know if it is the same for every insurer though.
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post May 7 2024, 01:58 PM

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Hi all.

I am planning to get medical takaful for myself. Currently only under company coverage which covered RM30,000 among other things. I have also enrolled in etiqa life takaful for RM500k.

I would like to get a medical takaful plan via online if possible. Below are the criterias:
1. Annual limit minimum 1million
2. Lifetime unlimited
3. Cover critical illnesses (add-on rider also ok)
4. Longer guaranteed renewal the better

I have compared and bought motor takaful before online. Pretty straightforward. Read the product disclosure sheet and make my choice. It seems medical card is different. Information is not easily available (etiqa don't have PDS accessible in the website. Or I am not looking at the right place hmm.gif)

Anyways, options that I found (agent). No option for online so far:
1. Etiqa medical plus + CI rider (unable to get monthly payment details from website)
2. AIA A-plus + CI rider

By the way, why medical card no NCD? tongue.gif

Appreciate the clarification smile.gif

This post has been edited by Dweller: May 7 2024, 01:58 PM
lifebalance
post May 7 2024, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Dweller @ May 7 2024, 01:58 PM)
Hi all.

I am planning to get medical takaful for myself. Currently only under company coverage which covered RM30,000 among other things. I have also enrolled in etiqa life takaful for RM500k.

I would like to get a medical takaful plan via online if possible. Below are the criterias:
1. Annual limit minimum 1million
2. Lifetime unlimited
3. Cover critical illnesses (add-on rider also ok)
4. Longer guaranteed renewal the better

I have compared and bought motor takaful before online. Pretty straightforward. Read the product disclosure sheet and make my choice. It seems medical card is different. Information is not easily available (etiqa don't have PDS accessible in the website. Or I am not looking at the right place hmm.gif)

Anyways, options that I found (agent). No option for online so far:
1. Etiqa medical plus + CI rider (unable to get monthly payment details from website)
2. AIA A-plus + CI rider

By the way, why medical card no NCD? tongue.gif

Appreciate the clarification smile.gif
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There are medical plans with NCD.

Options are plenty. There is also inflation proof medical plan.


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post May 7 2024, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 7 2024, 02:11 PM)
There are medical plans with NCD.

Options are plenty. There is also inflation proof medical plan.
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Just asking, are those available online DIY or have to go through agent?


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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 7 2024, 02:11 PM)
There are medical plans with NCD.

Options are plenty. There is also inflation proof medical plan.
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Thanks for the reply. Can help to share takaful which fulfill those four criterias? If can do online even better
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QUOTE(MUM @ May 7 2024, 02:18 PM)
Just asking, are those available online DIY or have to go through agent?
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post May 7 2024, 04:21 PM

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anyone buy generali eMedic Plus? any issues?
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QUOTE(ycs @ May 7 2024, 04:21 PM)
anyone buy generali eMedic Plus? any issues?
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With these, ...
"eMedic Plus takes care of your medical cost and protects you from medical inflation."
https://letsgoforlife.com/buy/online-medica...JhoCLAAQAvD_BwE

I think the issue that is most probably of concerns are the "selecting of enough" suitable coverage, and the sustainability of the premium after retirement when if one is not working

BTW, what issues do you think will have or you are refering to?

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QUOTE(Dweller @ May 7 2024, 01:58 PM)
Hi all.

I am planning to get medical takaful for myself. Currently only under company coverage which covered RM30,000 among other things. I have also enrolled in etiqa life takaful for RM500k.

I would like to get a medical takaful plan via online if possible. Below are the criterias:
1. Annual limit minimum 1million
2. Lifetime unlimited
3. Cover critical illnesses (add-on rider also ok)
4. Longer guaranteed renewal the better

I have compared and bought motor takaful before online. Pretty straightforward. Read the product disclosure sheet and make my choice. It seems medical card is different. Information is not easily available (etiqa don't have PDS accessible in the website. Or I am not looking at the right place hmm.gif)

Anyways, options that I found (agent). No option for online so far:
1. Etiqa medical plus + CI rider (unable to get monthly payment details from website)
2. AIA A-plus + CI rider

By the way, why medical card no NCD? tongue.gif

Appreciate the clarification smile.gif
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The flavours are better if you choose to buy from agent. I suppose if you looked in AIA, you are also looking for takaful plan. If you google for A-Plus Health Flex-i, you will notice that there is this feature called health wallet. How it works is giving you something if you dont claim.

Generally NCD is not common in medical insurance. But it does exist.

If you really want to look into online, there is kaotim. This is by syarikat takaful malaysia.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ May 7 2024, 06:32 PM)
The flavours are better if you choose to buy from agent. I suppose if you looked in AIA, you are also looking for takaful plan. If you google for A-Plus Health Flex-i, you will notice that there is this feature called health wallet.  How it works is giving you something if you dont claim.

Generally NCD is not common in medical insurance. But it does exist.

If you really want to look into online, there is kaotim. This is by syarikat takaful malaysia.
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Thank you for recommending kaotim. wink.gif will look further into it.
For my profile (~30 yo), price seems reasonable. Would getting other takaful plan via agent give better pricing? I don't know anyone in my circle doing Takaful, quite hard to get the pricing sweat.gif

Also saw great eastern also have one takaful medical card that can apply online

https://ringgitohringgit.com/money-manageme...Eastern_Takaful

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post May 8 2024, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(Dweller @ May 7 2024, 11:46 PM)
Thank you for recommending kaotim. wink.gif will look further into it.
For my profile (~30 yo), price seems reasonable. Would getting other takaful plan via agent give better pricing? I don't know anyone in my circle doing Takaful, quite hard to get the pricing sweat.gif

Also saw great eastern also have one takaful medical card that can apply online

https://ringgitohringgit.com/money-manageme...Eastern_Takaful
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If you really want to buy online, i think kaotim is more sincere in their offering. In the sense that they tried to give it more flavour than other companies. IMO. If you want to get from GE takaful, i suggest you browse their own website. Ringgitplus is and should not be the base for information.

Having said that please go do your own comparison. Since it's online, all information will be available for reading. Choose wisely. Fyi, many companies probably have medical plans online, just not something heavily promoted. If you go through every single company, they probably has it. Just to ensure i am not biasly promoting one over another.

However, if you do want to go through an agent, just drop your name at AIA website or something. Pretty sure someone will call you. It will most likely cost more than kaotim... nature of things are different.

You just have to clearly accept the pros and cons of having / not having an agent. It's ok but it is not for everyone.

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QUOTE(Dweller @ May 7 2024, 01:58 PM)
Hi all.

I am planning to get medical takaful for myself. Currently only under company coverage which covered RM30,000 among other things. I have also enrolled in etiqa life takaful for RM500k.

I would like to get a medical takaful plan via online if possible. Below are the criterias:
1. Annual limit minimum 1million
2. Lifetime unlimited
3. Cover critical illnesses (add-on rider also ok)
4. Longer guaranteed renewal the better

I have compared and bought motor takaful before online. Pretty straightforward. Read the product disclosure sheet and make my choice. It seems medical card is different. Information is not easily available (etiqa don't have PDS accessible in the website. Or I am not looking at the right place hmm.gif)

Anyways, options that I found (agent). No option for online so far:
1. Etiqa medical plus + CI rider (unable to get monthly payment details from website)
2. AIA A-plus + CI rider

By the way, why medical card no NCD? tongue.gif

Appreciate the clarification smile.gif
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i think most medical takaful online in the market have low coverage something like 100-200k yearly.
most common one people take thru agent
-AIA Public Takaful
-Prudential BSN Takaful
-Great Eastern Takaful

this 3 i think have more or less same benefit and list of panel hospital...

take your time doing your survey...
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QUOTE(Dweller @ May 7 2024, 01:58 PM)
Hi all.

I am planning to get medical takaful for myself. Currently only under company coverage which covered RM30,000 among other things. I have also enrolled in etiqa life takaful for RM500k.

I would like to get a medical takaful plan via online if possible. Below are the criterias:
1. Annual limit minimum 1million
2. Lifetime unlimited
3. Cover critical illnesses (add-on rider also ok)
4. Longer guaranteed renewal the better

I have compared and bought motor takaful before online. Pretty straightforward. Read the product disclosure sheet and make my choice. It seems medical card is different. Information is not easily available (etiqa don't have PDS accessible in the website. Or I am not looking at the right place hmm.gif)

Anyways, options that I found (agent). No option for online so far:
1. Etiqa medical plus + CI rider (unable to get monthly payment details from website)
2. AIA A-plus + CI rider

By the way, why medical card no NCD? tongue.gif

Appreciate the clarification smile.gif
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my 2 cents.

i am using Zurich takaful - old plan called Medica15, got NCD.
my wife using AIA takaful,
my daughter using Etiqa takaful, and my son Great eastern takaful.

based on my admission experience (all after 2 years in force), AIA is the most reliable and fast in term of GL.
Interm of Web GUI easy to nagivate etc, AIA and Great eastern online web is the best. Etiqa web service is the worst, not user friendly and lag.

I have also standalone Cancer policy with FWD. Their web interface is also on par with AIA and Great eastern. Only that i do not have experience with their medical card plan.

You will asked, why web interface is really important- because once your agent is not servicing you, you need to do all by your self. Changing Credit Card payment, check notices , letters etc. You will be on your own. That why the after sales service/support is a thing to consider.

if i can turn back time i will choose either AIA or great eastern. My 2 cents from customer perspective.

This post has been edited by azizulego: May 8 2024, 09:31 AM
sainod
post May 9 2024, 01:37 PM

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Seeking your guide on taking a new medical insurance plan. Standalone Plan.

Been employed abroad, with global insurance coverage to sum 1.5Million USD.

But i would like to take up a local medical plan for personal use when i probably retire and come back to KL.

Thus the card largely be not used at all for the next 10 years maybe or more.

So ideally a high deductible medical card?

Seeking your advice!

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