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TSbigwolf
post Nov 7 2020, 02:46 PM, updated 5y ago

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I've said it before:

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Problem is, the existing malay agenda policies have been abused to benefit only the rich and connected malays. Coz its not a poor malay policy. Its just simply, malay policy. That means any malay can benefit from it. And this only benefts the rich and connected malays. You poor kampung & B40 malays with no connections should just be grateful enough to get some crumbs.

Why can't we have a more equitable needs based policy? That way every poor Malaysian can get help. I mean, come on man, you really think there are no poor chinese or poor indians or any other races ka, or is it they don't deserve help eventhough they are Malaysian citizens? With needs based policies, only the truly needy gets help instead of the rich and connected ones.

A simple illustration:

1. Assuming a population of 100, and 10 of them are poor.

2. Out of the 10 poors, you have 5 malays, 3 indians, 2 chinese. (This is just an arbitrary figure for illustration purpose ya, pls dont get your panties into a knot)

3. There are enough resources to help 10 poor ppl

4. With the existing malay agenda, 9 resources benefits the rich malays. Only 1 resource is spread to help the 5 poor malays. The rest can go dai.

5. With needs based agenda, all 10 resources must go to the 10 poor ppl.

Ofc, this is an overly simplistic view and needs based agendas can still be open to abuse, but it definitely is better than the existing malay agenda however you look at it.

Prove me wrong, change my mind
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:47 PM

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baru tau?
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(rtk74 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:47 PM)
baru tau?
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I already tau long time ago. But don't think many others tau
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:49 PM

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Its for their families and cronies disguised as "something else".

Nothing to do with the actual Malay working his/her ass off.
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:49 PM

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Bumi is not only Malays. There r even more poorer loca natives
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:51 PM

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Jangan persoal.

Majority politicians are malay.

Majority rakyat also malay.

Nothing much can do.

Keep working hard .



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post Nov 7 2020, 02:52 PM

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inb4 :u tak sukak u ..... biggrin.gif

The reality is, this policy WILL NEVER GO AWAY. Need 2/3 and Agong permission to abolish it. So stop bitching and deal with it. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(rtk74 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:47 PM)
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(drug5 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:49 PM)
Bumi is not only Malays. There r even more poorer loca natives
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but who get more attention and help?
lol....bumi talk to bumi lu mau apply bantuan boleh, tapi ini bantuan agama ......
lel.......

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post Nov 7 2020, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(drug5 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:49 PM)
Bumi is not only Malays. There r even more poorer loca natives
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yeah, see sabah/sarawak. And see sabahan/sarawakian politicians and their cronies
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:55 PM

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tolong bumi for 60 years + , lagi tolong lagi pokai tapi crony lagi kaya, 2m macam pocket money saja whistling.gif

macam cina cakap, gantung kepala kambing tapi jual daging anjing devil.gif

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post Nov 7 2020, 02:55 PM

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Been saying that shit for the last 20 years

Can’t help it ppl wanna remain stupid.
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Nov 7 2020, 02:53 PM)
but who get more attention and help?
lol....bumi talk to bumi lu mau apply tapi ini bantuan agama ......
lel.......
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Who get help first i donno la how they gonna filter that
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:55 PM

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JANJI BUKAN DAPIG LGE
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(drug5 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:55 PM)
Who get help first i donno la how they gonna filter that
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using religion to filter
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:57 PM

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I dont see why the bumis dont get this simple equation
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Nov 7 2020, 02:55 PM)
JANJI BUKAN DAPIG LGE
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post Nov 7 2020, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 02:48 PM)
I already tau long time ago. But don't think many others tau
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QUOTE(#2kerja @ Nov 7 2020, 02:51 PM)
Jangan persoal.

Majority politicians are malay.

Majority rakyat also malay.

Nothing much can do.

Keep working hard .
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:52 PM)
inb4 :u tak sukak u ..... biggrin.gif

The reality is, this policy WILL NEVER GO AWAY. Need 2/3 and Agong permission to abolish it. So stop bitching and deal with it. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:52 PM)
inb4 :u tak sukak u ..... biggrin.gif

The reality is, this policy WILL NEVER GO AWAY. Need 2/3 and Agong permission to abolish it. So stop bitching and deal with it. biggrin.gif
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Your masters are getting richer while giving you crumbs to degrade yourself online. If you're satisfied with that then so be it.

And no, DEB/NEP is not part of the constitution. There's no 2/3 or Agung permission involved. Go get yourself educated rather than humiliating yourself like that
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:03 PM

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2 miilion pocket money richfag the one should help their ppl.
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 02:46 PM)
I've said it before:
Prove me wrong, change my mind
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I'm surprised you only realized this recently. You think the issue lies with people not knowing it? That with your post they will suddenly have this moment of epiphany "hey gais, I can't believe what I've stumbled upon on lowyat.net today. There is this user bigwolf who wrote something so eye opening. We have been doing it all wrong all this time"?
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 03:01 PM)
Your masters are getting richer while giving you crumbs to degrade yourself online. If you're satisfied with that then so be it.

And no, DEB/NEP is not part of the constitution. There's no 2/3 or Agung permission involved. Go get yourself educated rather than humiliating yourself like that
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Really kaa? Why didn't PH change it when THEY WERE IN POWER? biggrin.gif icon_idea.gif rclxms.gif
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:06 PM

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Don't care

As long no affected Nons life

N the facts of 60 years still need development....

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post Nov 7 2020, 03:06 PM

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dei ts, did my post mention race?
don’t pancut awal
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:07 PM

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What to do?

many people still don't want to wake up, and believe all sorts of lies about the own race and religion
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:07 PM

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post Nov 7 2020, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Ayammachiamboss @ Nov 7 2020, 03:05 PM)
I'm surprised you only realized this recently. You think the issue lies with people not knowing it? That with your post they will suddenly have this moment of epiphany "hey gais, I can't believe what I've stumbled upon on lowyat.net today. There is this user bigwolf who wrote something so eye opening. We have been doing it all wrong all this time"?
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and your point is? just because i already know this long time ago means i cannot open thread about it? show me the rules here that says can only open thread for new discoveries
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 03:06 PM)
Really kaa? Why didn't PH change it when THEY WERE IN POWER?  biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif
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PH didn't change it, so? Who is in power now? Why PN cannot change now, only last time PH can? So you can continue abusing it and blame "why PH dun change it when they were in power"?

You sohai enuff la, dun think other oso sohai like you can or not?

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post Nov 7 2020, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 03:08 PM)
and your point is? just because i already know this long time ago means i cannot open thread about it? show me the rules here that says can only open thread for new discoveries
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No point. You are right and you can open thread. May I ask what's your point of opening thread then?
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Ayammachiamboss @ Nov 7 2020, 03:11 PM)
No point. You are right and you can open thread. May I ask what's your point of opening thread then?
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because i feel like it today. how?
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:13 PM

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post Nov 7 2020, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Ayammachiamboss @ Nov 7 2020, 03:05 PM)
I'm surprised you only realized this recently. You think the issue lies with people not knowing it? That with your post they will suddenly have this moment of epiphany "hey gais, I can't believe what I've stumbled upon on lowyat.net today. There is this user bigwolf who wrote something so eye opening. We have been doing it all wrong all this time"?
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Ts baru je terlepas dari kandang
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:14 PM

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It is just to cover some hidden agenda. Dasar Economy Baru & Vision 2020 are those full failure of previous government. Those failed government still rule the people until now.
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:15 PM

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sad thing is in trickle down economics, macai2 still get around 1-2% benefit

1-2% benefit from 1 mil is still 10-20k

10-20k still very high for the average malaysian

thats why macai2 will still froth at mouth like rabid dog defending their udang galah eating masters
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 03:11 PM)
PH didn't change it so? Who is in power now? Why PN cannot change now, only last time PH can? So you can continue abusing it and blame why PH dun change it when they were in power?

You sohai enuff la, dun think other oso sohai like you can or not?
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Why would PN wanna change it? Did anyone in PN complains about it? You complain, then you can go try TO BE THE GOV AND CHANGE IT. BITCHING here will do you no good.biggrin.gif icon_idea.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 02:46 PM)
I've said it before:
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dont explain until so long. a lot dont even read
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 03:12 PM)
because i feel like it today. how?
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OK you win liao lor.
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I always stick to my principle of yin n yang, that there is need to balance wealth among races for prolonged stability. However, there must be a mech where those that rich must also contribute to the poor. Not just personal pocket. The money need to imvest imto something thaf can grow back money
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QUOTE(#2kerja @ Nov 7 2020, 02:51 PM)
Jangan persoal.

Majority politicians are malay.

Majority rakyat also malay.

Nothing much can do.

Keep working hard .
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this thing usually ends with salah DAPig, LGE, Lim Kit Siang Malam
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QUOTE(drug5 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:49 PM)
Bumi is not only Malays. There r even more poorer loca natives
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which happens those native sabahan has to sit for test on a tree. bajet tak sampai beb
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post Nov 7 2020, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 03:15 PM)
Why would PN wanna change it? Did anyone in PN complains about it? You complain, then you can go try TO BE THE GOV AND CHANGE IT. BITCHING here will do you no good.biggrin.gif icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif

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lel sure, this is why I said
QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 03:01 PM)
Your masters are getting richer while giving you crumbs to degrade yourself online. If you're satisfied with that then so be it.
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Continue whoring & degrading yourself thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Nov 7 2020, 03:18 PM)
I always stick to my principle of yin n yang, that there is need to balance wealth among races for prolonged stability. However, there must be a mech where those that rich must also contribute to the poor. Not just personal pocket. The money need to imvest imto something thaf can grow back money
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Fuck off la shitstirrer. The only ying & yang for you is everyone in Malaysia same race, same religion, same language, no cina, no india,etc, all malays only. And non malays must work and share their wealth to malays while malays get to keep everything, as that is the price or rental fee for the nons to stay in Malaysia. Your playbook already known long time ago. That is not the Malaysia of our founding fathers and also totally against the Federal Constitution.

Fuckers like you should be arrested for sedition and incitement.

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Nov 7 2020, 02:57 PM)
I dont see why the bumis dont get this simple equation
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The answer is simple, just get shitstirrers to scream cina dapigs pendatang kurang ajar sudah naik tocang, melayu/islam ditindas & dibangsatkan di tanah air sendiri, and everybody goes apeshit, no time to think about other stuff.
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Aiyah, we all know is liddat rd. But what to do? Too many people don't want to let go of their "privileges" coz they directly or indirectly benefit. Money now is better than money later even if the latter can be many times more
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post Nov 7 2020, 04:20 PM

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There's nothing you can do actually. If the big majority of orang kita wants tongkat and will only support politicians who gives more tongkat, there's really nothing you can do.

Education will do nothing because even if the orang kita realise the problem , they will still demand for the tongkat. Problem is masalah future generation to handle, asalkan dalam hayat kita dapat tongkat.

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Should be called as elites enriching policy
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post Nov 7 2020, 04:22 PM

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only thing poor people contribute

is a guidable work force
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Never been so accurate

Before internet, newspaper has been manipulating the agenda. Now can see the young uns more aware of this kroni policy
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many already konw in this forum. but the problem is those that are not in this forum.

all they see is gov give them free money. let them withdraw 6k from epf.


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post Nov 7 2020, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Nov 7 2020, 03:18 PM)
I always stick to my principle of yin n yang, that there is need to balance wealth among races for prolonged stability. However, there must be a mech where those that rich must also contribute to the poor. Not just personal pocket. The money need to imvest imto something thaf can grow back money
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So does your yin and yang principle state there must be a balance of wealth between elite orang kita and the non elite orang kita?
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:52 PM)
inb4 :u tak sukak u ..... biggrin.gif

The reality is, this policy WILL NEVER GO AWAY. Need 2/3 and Agong permission to abolish it. So stop bitching and deal with it. biggrin.gif
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How about we changed the Bumi policy only to benefit the poor amd needed.

Like the example TS posted but now the rich will not receive any bumi help at all. All bumi help will only go to the poor and needy.

Like if u super rich. You will not get any Mara scholarship, ...etc
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well... Bumi ni milik sape?

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it is known. but the poor still happily vote for them. so let them be. they pick their fates
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The eorld was created unfair but originally balanced

So what should we strive for? Fairness or balance?
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Now tongkat no longer sufficient.

Give wheelchair please.
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QUOTE(-AJAX- @ Nov 7 2020, 02:49 PM)
Janji dorang yang pegang, master race actually dont mind.
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Yes. The pipit proud that their own race helang gain all the benefit

As long as not helang or pipit from other race benefit
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 02:46 PM)
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baru tahu ke bang? ni semua plan kayakan kroni je.

aku melei jugak, tak ada benefit dapat sama aku pun.

last last yang tolong melayu hidup susah uncle kentang dengan ebit liew je banyak.

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dah lama scam la
then u blame all melei padahal poor melei oso affected
dah la tak dapat apa2, kena kutuk dengan orang pulak

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 03:21 PM)
lel sure, this is why I said
Continue whoring & degrading yourself  thumbsup.gif
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Why are you trying to fight this? Just go with the flow. Me got couple malei staff oso they didn't care/complain. Stop wasting your time/energy on something YOU CAN'T EVER CHANGE. biggrin.gif icon_idea.gif rclxms.gif
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baru tau? if their agenda works, BN will lose long time ago
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 02:46 PM)
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Agree with you. I've been telling same thing for ages. Since first TM era.

It's a kind of trickled economy. Most wealth will flow to rich & connected, while the leftover will be trickled to the needy & poor with a huge banner saying we are helping the poor & needy. We care... bla bla bla... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Nov 7 2020, 05:16 PM)
dah lama scam la
then u blame all melei padahal poor melei oso affected
dah la tak dapat apa2, kena kutuk dengan orang pulak
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For me I try not to generalize all malays, coz I do know of a number of malays in real life and also worked with malay colleagues. Majority are decent ppl who only want to cari makan peacefully. Which is why whenever arguing in /k I try to be specific at the person alone and not the entire race (easier said than done though, I'll admit that).
QUOTE(bigwolf @ Feb 28 2020, 01:22 PM)
Coming from a cina here. Whenever it comes to malay bashing, you guys just can't keep your mouth focused to bash only those racist extremist malays is it? You just HAD to tar the entire race?

Is your mindset EVERY SINGLE ONE of the malay population in malaysia is tongkat seeking lazy stupid scums?

How to build a new malaysia if 1 segment of the population thinks the entire other segment of the population is the problem?

Sure, there are racist extremist malays who thinks the entire non-malay segment is the problem, yet you do not even realize you yourself is the other extreme when you think the entire malay segment is the problem doh.gif
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But you know what, sometimes susah la bang... sometimes very susah not to generalize... when you see comments in fb or malay majority sites like cari forum. When 99.9999% comments are mainly salah cina kapir dapigs kurang ajar menindas melayu dah berani cabar islam etc etc. When there are very little to zero malays speaking up for the nons. Look at the france beheading issue and almost all the comments in fb are like, tu lah siapa suruh pegi jolok sarang tebuan, bagus kapir bagi mati semua, ayuh kita tetak semua kepala kafir lahanat, quoting Quran/Hadith texts on why non-muslims cannot be friends and can only be enemies, and so on. Whenever any incidents involving chinese (or worse still, chinese with malays), see the racial shitstorm in cyberspace. I do believe many are instigators and shitstirrers but I don't think its feasible to say ALL of them are cybertroopers.

So yeah, while many non-malays are guilty of generalizing, non malays can only bark so much. Malays being the majority, can you guys improve yourselves rather than playing the blame game? Be more successful than the cina and respect will come. Don't just point at 1-2 successful malays and say we malays are already successful. If malays are already on par or better than the nons, then why keep supporting special rights and blaming nons? See my (and probably many other nons) frustration now?

For better or worse this country's direction will be under you malays. Nons are getting fewer by the years, and pretty soon (maybe even as soon as 30 years down the road) they'll be an insignificant minority. For how much longer can the nons (especially cina) be blamed (or malays allowing themselves to be instigated by shitstirrers) for everything wrong under the sun?

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Why are you trying to fight this? Just go with the flow. Me got couple malei staff oso they didn't care/complain. Stop wasting your time/energy on something YOU CAN'T EVER CHANGE.  biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif
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Kesian menggelupur macam cacing kepanasan when all I did was just pointing out the obvious scam of your masters. I've said many times oledi, you wanna be satisfied with just eating dogfood (cheap brand somemore coz thats what they only give you) and whore yourself as a shitstirrer, it's non of my concern biggrin.gif
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No Need. the whole LYN knows you are hardcore DAP supporkter. anything and everything is wrong. only the DAP and the minority is right. notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Derail from topic, very common and basi tactic. lel dupe baru siapa ni biggrin.gif

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So fast JASA start work oledi? rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 06:44 PM)
For me I try not to generalize all malays, coz I do know of a number of malays in real life and also worked with malay colleagues. Majority are decent ppl who only want to cari makan peacefully. Which is why whenever arguing in /k I try to be specific at the person alone and not the entire race (easier said than done though, I'll admit that).
But you know what, sometimes susah la bang... sometimes very susah not to generalize... when you see comments in fb or malay majority sites like cari forum. When 99.9999% comments are mainly salah cina kapir dapigs kurang ajar menindas melayu dah berani cabar islam etc etc. When there are very little to zero malays speaking up for the nons. Look at the france beheading issue and almost all the comments in fb are like, tu lah siapa suruh pegi jolok sarang tebuan, bagus kapir bagi mati semua, ayuh kita tetak semua kepala kafir lahanat, quoting Quran/Hadith texts on why non-muslims cannot be friends and can only be enemies, and so on. Whenever any incidents involving chinese (or worse still, chinese with malays), see the racial shitstorm in cyberspace. I do believe many are instigators and shitstirrers but I don't think its feasible to say ALL of them are cybertroopers.

So yeah, while many non-malays are guilty of generalizing, non malays can only bark so much. Malays being the majority, can you guys improve yourselves rather than playing the blame game? Be more successful than the cina and respect will come. Don't just point at 1-2 successful malays and say we malays are already successful. If malays are already on par or better than the nons, then why keep supporting special rights and blaming nons? See my (and probably many other nons) frustration now?

For better or worse this country's direction will be under you malays. Nons are getting fewer by the years, and pretty soon (maybe even as soon as 30 years down the road) they'll be an insignificant minority. For how much longer can the nons (especially cina) be blamed (or malays allowing themselves to be instigated by shitstirrers) for everything wrong under the sun?
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I understand the frustration. For me, those who kutuk2 nons on cari = /ktards here who generalize and hating on melei muslim
The difference is just language and nuances, everything else is the same. Internet is a shit place.
So what we can see here we can't really divide this thing between melei and non, rather we should do it as racist vs non-racist
I myself surrounded by nons in my workplace and my current home, never have problem also. All mau cari makan ma.
Until we see a good leader rise from the majority, I won't expect things change much. Just like British era, this is the best tool to control the population and songlap the resources.

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I already tau long time ago. But don't think many others tau
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U see gov servants how langsi they are

Just think this bumi policy

Ur sincerely: b40 poor malay with no connections
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I understand the frustration. For me, those who kutuk2 nons on cari = /ktards here who generalize and hating on melei muslim
The difference is just language and nuances, everything else is the same. Internet is a shit place.
So what we can see here we can't really divide this thing between melei and non, rather we should do it as racist vs non-racist
I myself surrounded by nons in my workplace and my current home, never have problem also. All mau cari makan ma.
Until we see a good leader rise from the majority, I won't expect things change much. Just like British era, this is the best tool to control the population and songlap the resources.
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Yes very much agree with you, especially the bolded part. I don't think we can expect racial politics to go away in our lifetime, its a most effective way to unite the majority segment of the population (and thus their votes) by telling them they are constantly under threat. Because the problem is racial by itself, it can never be resolved by someone from another race. So yeah, we can only hope to see a malay leader who can resolve this
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All money goes to bumi company by ketua ketua umno
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dunno since which decades ago.
they started allocate hundreds of million per year for permbangunan luar bandar on yearly budget allocation.
I still don't see luar bandar getting any better
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U see gov servants how langsi they are

Just think this bumi policy

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Call govt bodies just for simple stuff is so hard to get thru the phone

Get thru d, hav to go to the centre padahal everything is online
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If you are a malay from middle class family but you cannot make it rich, really dunno what to say...

Life on super easy mode still cannot make it

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kalau ikut logic najib, kena scam bank acc mesti ada tambah wang ....

so rakyat tarak kena scam, hanya menteri yang kena scam saja cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(mars2003 @ Nov 7 2020, 08:09 PM)
dunno since which decades ago.
they started allocate hundreds of million per year for permbangunan luar bandar on yearly budget allocation.
I still don't see luar bandar getting any better
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You know why? When even a relatively unknown like jamaluddin jarjis is worth 2 billion, there's the answer

https://www.nst.com.my/amp/news/crime-court...-billion-estate

And best part is, have you ever wondered why they are not listed in forbes?
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Dah lama dah...
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Thread reported lol, am surprised it took so long for them to report, why so slow? laugh.gif
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Lel all i see is a butthurt macai whore shouting I got staff under me, me master of my own kandang anjing hurrdurrrrr!!! to console himself.

Must be tough eh, whoring your dignity for some leftover scraps from your masters biggrin.gif
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You know why? When even a relatively unknown like jamaluddin jarjis is worth 2 billion, there's the answer

https://www.nst.com.my/amp/news/crime-court...-billion-estate

And best part is, have you ever wondered why they are not listed in forbes?
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JJ is not “relatively unknown”

He is quite high profile in the political arena

Until now, his estate is still disputed by his mom & wife & grandchildren

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Who open thread who.....  biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif

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Lmao, had you quote this in your 1st comment it would have been most credible. Quoting this now only shows you lost the argument and have to resort to trolling to continue

Aparaaa what kind of cheap low grade macai is this? Somemore can say got 5 staff under him... tak malu ke temberang camni? laugh.gif
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senang nak cuci otak ma with the word bumi..
easy votes..
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Lmao, had you quote this in your 1st comment it would have been most credible. Quoting this now only shows you lost the argument and have to resort to trolling to continue

Aparaaa what kind of cheap low grade macai is this? Somemore can say got 5 staff under him... tak malu ke temberang camni? laugh.gif
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Lolz, Anything improve yet since you open this thread?

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bnyak bumi tered todei lulz
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Bukan apa... Cuma we have to go back to the basics. Bumi ni... Milik siapa?
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Makin lama tongkat...makin rasis diorg u knw why?

Sbb tak kaya...despite so much tongkat...mental stress...org lain makin kata tiada tongkat...tak sanggup blame org kito....last2 blame org lain
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Lolz, Anything improve yet since you open this thread?

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Dunno. But i do see a butthurt macai whore getting his jimmies rustled. Fun leh to be so accurate rclxm9.gif Cili tu pedas sangat ke? biggrin.gif
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Bukan apa... Cuma we have to go back to the basics. Bumi ni... Milik siapa?
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Milik sesiapa yang ada i/c biru
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Milik sesiapa yang ada i/c biru
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the bumiputera here is political construct

to balance out, the malay has to "merge" with the natives, especially those in east malaysia to form a bigger major group




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Dunno. But i do see a butthurt macai whore getting his jimmies rustled. Fun leh to be so accurate rclxm9.gif Cili tu pedas sangat ke? biggrin.gif
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And if they give IC biru to rohingya and Bangalore?
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So be it then. Not me who give them blue i/c, so don't blame me
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Eh, keep spamming the same picture tarak guna ler, answer la, cili tu pedas ke? Jimmy ko banyak rustled? biggrin.gif
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Eh, keep spamming the same picture tarak guna ler, answer la, cili tu pedas ke? Jimmy ko banyak rustled? biggrin.gif
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Why are you dodging my question? DID YOU SELF REPORT my post instead deleting it? biggrin.gif

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Why are you dodging my question? DID YOU SELF REPORT my post instead deleting it? biggrin.gif

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Eh, sorry I didn't bother to read your repost since its spamming same picture. Anyways, not me who report la, why do i need to report when its so much more fun to bitchslap m laugh at you? Somemore i can just delete.your post if i want to, report for for wat? laugh.gif

Haiyaaa so simple logic liddat oso tak reti, what kind of lousy cheap macai whore are you? Somemore ada hati wanna say got staff under you? Malu sikit la weihhh laugh.gif
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Mother get a Cake cut 4 slices
Got 3 sons A B C
A gets 3 slices
B and C share 1 slice

A got 10 sons
A took 2 slices and only give 1 slices for poor 10 sons share
Sons praise A as hero... the succesfull A with 2 slices of Cake
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Eh, sorry I didn't bother to read your repost since its spamming same picture. Anyways, not me who report la, why do i need to report when its so much more fun to bitchslap m laugh at you? Somemore i can just delete.your post if i want to, report for for wat? laugh.gif

Haiyaaa so simple logic liddat oso tak reti, what kind of lousy cheap macai whore are you? Somemore ada hati wanna say got staff under you? Malu sikit la weihhh laugh.gif
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Why? This pic triggered you? U never heard of "anjing menyalak bukit"? Pretty accurate to sums up this thread. biggrin.gif icon_idea.gif rclxms.gif

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Poor Malay : its ok miskin kita redah, penting janji orang kita kuasa, because if not we all gonna be poor x10 then
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 06:57 PM)
Derail from topic, very common and basi tactic. lel dupe baru siapa ni biggrin.gif

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So fast JASA start work oledi?  rclxms.gif
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so slow lah you baby gay wolf. actually JASA already back operate in July 2020 whistling.gif . draft for making a come back exactly right after PH GOV crash and burn by pintu belakang. laugh.gif laugh.gif thanks to your bodo bodo PH MPs.
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SIMPLE solution: ask china and india not to invest in this country kek
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This is where I would say.. no shit sherlock.. the minute you have special racial rights for a specific race that's what it actually implies.
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 10:15 PM)
Why? This pic triggered you? U never heard of "anjing menyalak bukit"? Pretty accurate to sums up this thread.  biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif

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Because I oledi replied you before, but what to do, you keep butthurting and posting the same pic over and over laugh.gif
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lel sure, this is why I said
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See, this is why lousy cheap macai whores like you are so easy to n fun to play with. Just find the right buttons and keep pressing them, and you'll see them go apeshit rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Neeson @ Nov 8 2020, 01:59 AM)
so slow lah you baby gay wolf. actually JASA already back operate in July 2020 whistling.gif . draft for making a come back exactly right after PH GOV crash and burn by pintu belakang. laugh.gif  laugh.gif thanks to your bodo bodo PH MPs.
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Your masters are getting richer while giving you crumbs (or cheapest low grade dogfood) to degrade yourself online. If you're satisfied with that then so be it.

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so? All you can do is bitching at /k
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 03:11 PM)
PH didn't change it, so? Who is in power now? Why PN cannot change now, only last time PH can? So you can continue abusing it and blame "why PH dun change it when they were in power"?

You sohai enuff la, dun think other oso sohai like you can or not?
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he couldn't take it and started taichi around, of course, the Malay taichi style.
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If you are a malay from middle class family but you cannot make it rich, really dunno what to say...

Life on super easy mode still cannot make it
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U middle class family ke or higher ke, no cable no rich .. serious.
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Bumi development is good for all.

Bumi get monetary assistance, sometimes directly like zakat or bantuan other times indirectly like job opportunity

Bumi then go shop to spend money

At shop operated by non-bumi, bumi got bumi-special price kena markup

in the end, non-bumi get to enjoice bumi money

As what happened to my neighbour who went to pasar and got chop RM20 while my wife got the same thing and paid RM10

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Nov 7 2020, 10:00 PM)
Mother get a Cake cut 4 slices
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A gets 3 slices
B and C share 1 slice

A got 10 sons
A took 2 slices and only give 1 slices for poor 10 sons share
Sons praise A as hero... the succesfull A with 2 slices of Cake
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doesnt matter, the whole system is collapsing under its own weight


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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Nov 8 2020, 07:32 AM)
Bumi development is good for all.

Bumi get monetary assistance, sometimes directly like zakat or bantuan other times indirectly like job opportunity

Bumi then go shop to spend money

At shop operated by non-bumi, bumi got bumi-special price kena markup

in the end, non-bumi get to enjoice bumi money

As what happened to my neighbour who went to pasar and got chop RM20 while my wife got the same thing and paid RM10
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thats a childish thinking.
in the nutshell it's alright

but the country is going into deficit, spending more and more future money.
when spend too much of future money, then there wont be any future
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 8 2020, 07:44 AM)
thats a childish thinking.
in the nutshell it's alright

but the country is going into deficit, spending more and more future money.
when spend too much of future money, then there wont be any future
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It’s ok. Some people only wake up from their sleep when they smell the smoke of their burning houses

Just hope u r not in the house when that happens
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Nov 8 2020, 07:46 AM)
It’s ok. Some people only wake up from their sleep when they smell the smoke of their burning houses

Just hope u r not in the house when that happens
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How can a majority of 70% have special privilege run forever ??

Special rights all require lots of money to maintain.

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 8 2020, 08:04 AM)
How can a majority of 70% have special privilege run forever ??

Special rights all require lots of money to maintain.
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The cake will eventually run out one day. I have said many times, it’s never big enough to feed everyone...

And while these nimcompoops are harping about Race and religion to maintain their political edge, the competitive edge of Malaysia is slowly being eroded every year compared to the rest of the world.

Keep on comparing to Zimbabwe and continue to stroke that worthless ego to feel good about themselves
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I've been doing business for 5years. Whenever i want to apply for bumi loan/grant, the bank will say finish. Even at SME Bank. Dont know where all the money gone.
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QUOTE(Donphatz @ Nov 8 2020, 08:13 AM)
I've been doing business for 5years. Whenever i want to apply for bumi loan/grant, the bank will say finish. Even at SME Bank. Dont know where all the money gone.
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Try joining umno
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Not a scam. It memang to benefit bumiputeras albeit only certain ones tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 8 2020, 08:27 AM)
Not a scam. It memang to benefit bumiputeras albeit only certain ones tongue.gif
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Yes, the "bumiputeras" in d real sense of d word.
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Nov 8 2020, 08:11 AM)
The cake will eventually run out one day. I have said many times, it’s never big enough to feed everyone...

And while these nimcompoops are harping about Race and religion to maintain their political edge, the competitive edge of Malaysia is slowly being eroded every year compared to the rest of the world.

Keep on comparing to Zimbabwe and continue to stroke that worthless ego to feel good about themselves
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already run out.
all the malay wealth is parked at GLC.
look at how well GLCs perform

all need bailout, kana sapu by perompak gang, GLCs sell assets to raise cash
Petronas income is slowly dwindling.
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QUOTE(Donphatz @ Nov 8 2020, 08:13 AM)
I've been doing business for 5years. Whenever i want to apply for bumi loan/grant, the bank will say finish. Even at SME Bank. Dont know where all the money gone.
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do you know that MITI has shares below market price for BUMIPUTRA ONLY ?
for IPOs like FELDA FGV that sort

but sorry you wont cuz all was given to UMNOPUTRA laugh.gif

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 02:46 PM)
I've said it before:
Prove me wrong, change my mind
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You are confusing between Bumiputera and Malays. I am from Sarawak.
We have more Bumiputera Christians here than Muslim Malays.
Most of them are being help to progress with these policy you are trying to abolished.

Have you been to the rural areas and see how rural people lives. How many are they are non Bumi?
Race based policies is better than targeted social policies because we live according to our races,
We self segregated ourselves, as a mini society within a much broader hierarchy.

We rarely conduct business, marriage, social gatherings etc outside our own kind.
Wealth distributes within races whether you agree or not.
When a poor person marries a rich person, the poor family status is positively affected.
When someone wanna organize a social event like weddings or birthdays, they uses their own kind for services like caterings, event planners and such.
This distributes wealth within the society which is commonly under the same race.

If you say we should only help the poor regardless of the race. It is like giving fish to a cat.
Instead teaching the cat to fish works better because cats will teach other cats.

Have you ever been in school where you sometimes need to copy your homework or assignments because you somehow forgot or lazy to do?
Tell me who will help you? Your own kind or the opposite?
That is how our society works.

Bumi policy does not cover everything except certain economics, education and housing policies.

I don't believe equality but i believe in fairness.
If you preach equality, then every person should be given for example RM100 each regardless of their wealth.
If you believe in fairness, then the lesser should get more.


Until there is balance in wealth distribution between races, these policies will be needed.
I do believe one day, we will not need this policies anymore.
Unbalanced wealth distribution is the reason for race and religious divide in Malaysia

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 09:22 AM)
You are confusing between Bumiputera and Malays. I am from Sarawak.
We have more Bumiputera Christians here than Muslim Malays.
Most of them are being help to progress with these policy you are trying to abolished.

Have you been to the rural areas and see how rural people lives. How many are they are non Bumi?
Race based policies is better than targeted social policies because we live according to our races,
We self segregated ourselves, as a mini society within a much broader hierarchy.

We rarely conduct business, marriage, social gatherings etc outside our own kind.
Wealth distributes within races whether you agree or not.
When a poor person marries a rich person, the poor family status is positively affected.
When someone wanna organize a social event like weddings or birthdays, they uses their own kind for services like caterings, event planners and such.
This distributes wealth within the society which is commonly under the same race.

If you say we should only help the poor regardless of the race. It is like giving fish to a cat.
Instead teaching the cat to fish works better because cats will teach other cats.

Have you ever been in school where you sometimes need to copy your homework or assignments because you somehow forgot or lazy to do?
Tell me who will help you? Your own kind or the opposite?
That is how our society works.

Bumi policy does not cover everything except certain economics, education and housing policies.

I don't believe equality but i believe in fairness.
If you preach equality, then every person should be given for example RM100 each regardless of their wealth.
If you believe in fairness, then the lesser should get more.
Until there is balance in wealth distribution between races, these policies will be needed.
I do believe one day, we will not need this policies anymore.
Unbalanced wealth distribution is the reason for race and religious divide in Malaysia
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You're not getting it, try reading the opening post again. Or is it you did not read, just see the title and straight comment?

I do believe in fairness and the lesser should get more, did you even read the opening post? How is it fair when the present bumi policies are abused to benefit the rich and connected malays and not the poor malays?

Under needs based policy as per the example that I listed, all the poor (5 malays, 3 indians, 2 chinese) gets help. How is that not balance in wealth distribution between races? Or is it only fair to you when the 10 resources all goes to the 5 malays, the others can go dai?

And this:
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If you say we should only help the poor regardless of the race. It is like giving fish to a cat.
Instead teaching the cat to fish works better because cats will teach other cats.
How does helping the poor irregardless of race equates to giving fish to cat? Are you saying helping 1 race irregardless whether they poor or not is correct and does not equate not giving fish to cat?

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 11:55 AM)
You're not getting it, try reading the opening post again. Or is it you did not read, just see the title and straight comment?

I do believe in fairness and the lesser should get more, did you even read the opening post?  How is it fair when the present bumi policies are abused to benefit the rich and connected malays and not the poor malays?

Under needs based policy as per the example that I listed, all the poor (5 malays, 3 indians, 2 chinese) gets help. How is that not balance in wealth distribution between races? Or is it only fair to you when the 10 resources all goes to the 5 malays, the others can go dai?
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read my first sentence again, the core of my argument.
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 12:01 PM)
read my first sentence again, the core of my argument.
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My reply still relevant to your first sentence core argument. Read again and try to understand.

You don't think under needs based policies the bumi christians would get more help that what they're getting presently?

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QUOTE(drug5 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:49 PM)
Bumi is not only Malays. There r even more poorer loca natives
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yeah, see sabah/sarawak. And see sabahan/sarawakian politicians and their cronies
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They don't even get crumb. Leftover go to tongsan master to maximize profit while oreng kito master goyang telor laugh at these poor fags.
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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Nov 8 2020, 07:32 AM)
Bumi get monetary assistance, sometimes directly like zakat or bantuan other times indirectly like job opportunity
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You don't think the poor bumi will get more in needs based policy (10 resources goes to all 5 bumi, 3 indians, 2 chinese poors)? And the present policy is still better (10 resources, 9 goes to the rich & connected while only 1 goes to 5 bumi poors and the others can go dai)?
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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Nov 8 2020, 07:32 AM)
Bumi development is good for all.

Bumi get monetary assistance, sometimes directly like zakat or bantuan other times indirectly like job opportunity

Bumi then go shop to spend money

At shop operated by non-bumi, bumi got bumi-special price kena markup

in the end, non-bumi get to enjoice bumi money

As what happened to my neighbour who went to pasar and got chop RM20 while my wife got the same thing and paid RM10
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The fund allocated for bumi majoritygo to the rich bumis and only a small go to the poor bumis via zakat etc la. Those rich bumis mostly go and enjoice most of their money overseas or buying imported stuff la only the poor bumis will spend most of their money locally. So in the end even if you are one of those jibai racist sellers who have special price for bumi only get to profit from the crumbs la. (most sellers nowadays already sell same price regardless of race except for stupid racist ones)
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It made millionaires out of 0.01% of bumis.

Not a scam. Sekian

To ensure the other 99.9% of bumis become millionaire..just pump in myr 10 trillions more .




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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 12:08 PM)
My reply still relevant to your first sentence core argument. Read again and try to understand.

You don't think under needs based policies the bumi christians would get more help that what they're getting presently?

yeah, see sabah/sarawak. And see sabahan/sarawakian politicians and their cronies
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you used MALAY 3 times instead of using BUMIPUTERA in you counter argument.
The BUMI polices is not exclusive for the Malays only.

Answering your question above,
Who do you think the non Muslim Bumi (they are not all Christians or Catholics, some are pagan and atheist)
voted for in Sarawak for the last 50-60 years?
DAP? Who is vocal about bumi policies?

Sarawak is the stronghold of BN and they are quite unique in social demographics but they often stand united with the Federal government.
Sarawak is a fixed deposit for BN because they know their constitutional right is protected.

I have been to this one longhouse in deep Sarawak. The leader is pagan/atheist and also a political party leader of this one major ethnic.
This specific longhouse of 50 families have 22 degree holders, 3-5 post graduate holders.

In fact the nearest town sees more development in a decade than the one city being held by opposition nearby.
The small town have Rural UTC, government buildings that helps famers/entrepreneurs in between the town and longhouse.
Even the new highway passes through that town.
I have been living in that city for quite a bit and Opposition did nothing much in helping the poor economically there when I was there.

My point, if if was not for the Bumi policies on education, loans and housing, i doubt that the people in that longhouse will have anything higher than a SPM certificate
and they will be farmers and laborer for the rest of their lives.

I have many real life personal examples to share that involves non Malay Bumi

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 12:40 PM)
you used MALAY 3 times instead of using BUMIPUTERA in you counter argument.
The BUMI polices is not exclusive for the Malays only.

Answering your question above,
Who do you think the non Muslim Bumi (they are not all Christians or Catholics, some are pagan and atheist)
voted for in Sarawak for the last 50-60 years?
DAP? Who is vocal about bumi policies?

Sarawak is the stronghold of BN and they are quite unique in social demographics but they often stand united with the Federal government.
Sarawak is a fixed deposit for BN because they know their constitutional right is protected.

I have been to this one longhouse in deep Sarawak. The leader is pagan/atheist and also a political party leader of this one major ethnic.
This specific longhouse of 50 families have 22 degree holders, 3-5 post graduate holders.

In fact the nearest town sees more development in a decade than the one city being held by opposition nearby.
The small town have Rural UTC, government buildings that helps famers/entrepreneurs in between the town and longhouse.
Even the new highway passes through that town.
I have been living in that city for quite a bit and Opposition did nothing much in helping the poor economically there when I was there.

My point, if if was not for the Bumi policies on education, loans and housing, i doubt that the people in that longhouse will have anything higher than a SPM certificate
and they will be farmers and laborer for the rest of their lives.

I have many real life personal examples to share that involves non Malay Bumi
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aiyohhh I already said its a simple illustration didn't I?

You mean I have to be specific like this:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
then only you understand ka? doh.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 12:22 PM)
You don't think the poor bumi will get more in needs based policy (10 resources goes to all 5 bumi, 3 indians, 2 chinese poors)? And the present policy is still better (10 resources, 9 goes to the rich & connected while only 1 goes to 5 bumi poors and the others can go dai)?
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If you word it like that then the first sound better.

Also if help poor, they need a lot of handholding on what opportunities to do. That handholding come in the form of an extra body to guide them along.
This reminds me of the case where they try to help poor bumi fisherman by giving them new boat as a form of assistance.
When the welfare agency came to check on them, they found out that the fisherman wanted quick money so he sold off his boat and is now poor after the money is gone LMAO.

In this case, go invest in rich malays. Hopefully they use the benefit to start companies that hire the poor.
This is a strategy as well.

QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 12:28 PM)
The fund allocated for bumi majoritygo to the rich bumis and only a small go to the poor bumis via zakat etc la. Those rich bumis mostly go and enjoice most of their money overseas or buying imported stuff la only the poor bumis will spend most of their money locally. So in the end even if you are one of those jibai racist sellers who have special price for bumi only get to profit from the crumbs la. (most sellers nowadays already sell same price regardless of race except for stupid racist ones)
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Rich bumi use policy to generate economic opportunity too. From that, jobs are created.
How they spend that money is up to them, that's the spoils of their endeavors.
Rich boss get money, bring family enjoice overseas. At the same time, his kuli in bumi companies spend locally.

Also pasar buy vege dont have written pricing. Usually only meat/chicken/fish written 1 kg/plate/portion how much.
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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Nov 8 2020, 12:50 PM)
If you word it like that then the first sound better.

Also if help poor, they need a lot of handholding on what opportunities to do. That handholding come in the form of an extra body to guide them along.
This reminds me of the case where they try to help poor bumi fisherman by giving them new boat as a form of assistance.
When the welfare agency came to check on them, they found out that the fisherman wanted quick money so he sold off his boat and is now poor after the money is gone LMAO.

In this case, go invest in rich malays. Hopefully they use the benefit to start companies that hire the poor.
This is a strategy as well.
Rich bumi use policy to generate economic opportunity too. From that, jobs are created.
How they spend that money is up to them, that's the spoils of their endeavors.
Rich boss get money, bring family enjoice overseas. At the same time, his kuli in bumi companies spend locally.

Also pasar buy vege dont have written pricing. Usually only meat/chicken/fish written 1 kg/plate/portion how much.
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Which is why I said this
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Ofc, this is an overly simplistic view and needs based agendas can still be open to abuse, but it definitely is better than the existing malay agenda however you look at it.

So if the fisherman sells off his new boat for quick money under the current bumi agenda, how would that makes needs based agenda not better for others beside that fisherman?

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QUOTE(Donphatz @ Nov 8 2020, 08:13 AM)
I've been doing business for 5years. Whenever i want to apply for bumi loan/grant, the bank will say finish. Even at SME Bank. Dont know where all the money gone.
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u my friend. are right.
where the money go? if they really genuine in help bumis, with those billions spent every year, i dont think bumi will be still driving grab or foodpand right?
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 12:48 PM)
aiyohhh I already said its a simple illustration didn't I?

You mean I have to be specific like this:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
then only you understand ka? doh.gif
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There is a difference. Thank you for correcting it. I already answered it initially.
What you are suggesting is we should be equal in distribution according to demographic
and the rich Bumi is exploiting the allocation of these poor Bumi?


A shorter answer:
A rich <insert race> will give back to it's own less fortunate kind because we are a self segregated society bounded by race and religion.

Example:

Middle Income Ahmad got good education because he got tongkat to University making him smart.
Middle Income Ahmad got tongkat in loans making him able to start his own business.
Middle Income Ahmad also got tongkat in housing making him saving his money more.
Middle Income Ahmad got rich in the span of 10 years, now people call him Rich Ahmad.

Now,
Rich Ahmad need to hire workers for his new project he got from tongkat.
Rich Ahmad hires Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan to help with the project.
Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan hires Poor Ali, Poor Sufian, Poor Hafiz and Poor Mohd to work for them.

In 10 years time,
All the Middle Income becomes Rich and all the Poor becomes Middle Income.
Rich Ahmad is getting richer, don't forget that. We call him Mega Rich Ahmad now

So,
Mega Rich Ahmad now opens up another tongkat business producing lots of newly Rich guys and Middle Income guys
Now Rich Abu and Rich Hassan tongkat summore.

Now
The son of Mega Rich Ahmad wanna marry a Poor Syed daughter, his dad approves and financed a grand wedding
Mega Rich Ahmad hires Moderate Income Hussein as caterer, Middle Income Halimah as Mak Andam, Rich Azman as Event Planner.
Now all the people working for Mega Rich Ahmad's son wedding hires a lot of Poor individuals for work.

And,
Family of Poor Syed also benefited from marrying the Mega Rich Ahmad by getting some work or small projects
Poor Syed's family boosted their statues to now as Middle Income Syed.

So in short, wealth trickles down to it's own society in a long run, this is why race based tongkat policy works.
It is a way to get of from the poverty cycle.

If Middle Income Ahmad does not have a university entry approved, his bank loans rejected, his housing quotas rejected
Abu, Hassan. Ali, Sufian, Hafiz, Hussein, Halimah, Azman and Syed would be stagnant economically.
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 01:15 PM)
There is a difference. Thank you for correcting it. I already answered it initially.
What you are suggesting is we should be equal in distribution according to demographic
and the rich Bumi is exploiting the allocation of these poor Bumi?
A shorter answer:
A rich <insert race> will give back to it's own less fortunate kind because we are a self segregated society bounded by race and religion.

Example:

Middle Income Ahmad got good education because he got tongkat to University making him smart.
Middle Income Ahmad got tongkat in loans making him able to start his own business.
Middle Income Ahmad also got tongkat in housing making him saving his money more.
Middle Income Ahmad got rich in the span of 10 years, now people call him Rich Ahmad.

Now,
Rich Ahmad need to hire workers for his new project he got from tongkat.
Rich Ahmad hires Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan to help with the project.
Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan hires Poor Ali, Poor Sufian, Poor Hafiz and Poor Mohd to work for them.

In 10 years time,
All the Middle Income becomes Rich and all the Poor becomes Middle Income.
Rich Ahmad is getting richer, don't forget that. We call him Mega Rich Ahmad now

So,
Mega Rich Ahmad now opens up another tongkat business producing lots of newly Rich guys and Middle Income guys
Now Rich Abu and Rich Hassan tongkat summore.

Now
The son of Mega Rich Ahmad wanna marry a Poor Syed daughter, his dad approves and financed a grand wedding
Mega Rich Ahmad hires Moderate Income Hussein as caterer, Middle Income Halimah as Mak Andam, Rich Azman as Event Planner.
Now all the people working for Mega Rich Ahmad's son wedding hires a lot of Poor individuals for work.

And,
Family of Poor Syed also benefited from marrying the Mega Rich Ahmad by getting some work or small projects
Poor Syed's family boosted their statues to now as Middle Income Syed.

So in short, wealth trickles down to it's own society in a long run, this is why race based tongkat policy works.
It is a way to get of from the poverty cycle.

If Middle Income Ahmad does not have a university entry approved, his bank loans rejected, his housing quotas rejected
Abu, Hassan. Ali, Sufian, Hafiz, Hussein, Halimah, Azman and Syed would be stagnant economically.
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No need to write so long winded. The question is simple, is it only fair for you then when the 10 resources all goes to the 5 malays bumi kadazan dusun penan senoi dll dll etc etc, the other races poor no need help can go dai?
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63 years, every year 98% allocation until 2020 still mentioned they need help, must be something wrong.


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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 01:34 PM)
No need to write so long winded. The question is simple, is it only fair for you then when the 10 resources all goes to the 5 malays bumi kadazan dusun penan senoi dll dll etc etc, the other races poor no need help can go dai?
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Yes it is fair.

Who said about other poor people needed to die?
We have Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat, Baitulmal (non muslim can apply)
and many more govt and NGO bodies to help them.

You are propagating here that the Poor Non Bumi should not be helped?
It is a false accusation.

And why I think this is fair?
This graph from this study explains why

Population shares of ethnic groups in each percentile, 2002 (pre-tax national income)
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Until we make the line between red and blue horizontally flat (red group have more rich than poor compared to blue group and vice versa),
we will not achieve racial/religious unity that is 100% essential to our economy.
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Whatchu gonna do about it huh? Form a new political party? Who your supporter? R u expecting the majority to support abolishing tongkat? You can't do shit. Only 2 ways I can see this as a non:

1) Work hard, shut up, kautau the malay kroni, become rich, make sure you give comfort to your next gen by amassing wealth. Like what the china businessmen r doing.

2) Work hard, get credentials, leave the country, or in other words, lu tak sukak lu cuba keluar.

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 12:40 PM)
you used MALAY 3 times instead of using BUMIPUTERA in you counter argument.
The BUMI polices is not exclusive for the Malays only.

Answering your question above,
Who do you think the non Muslim Bumi (they are not all Christians or Catholics, some are pagan and atheist)
voted for in Sarawak for the last 50-60 years?
DAP? Who is vocal about bumi policies?

Sarawak is the stronghold of BN and they are quite unique in social demographics but they often stand united with the Federal government.
Sarawak is a fixed deposit for BN because they know their constitutional right is protected.

I have been to this one longhouse in deep Sarawak. The leader is pagan/atheist and also a political party leader of this one major ethnic.
This specific longhouse of 50 families have 22 degree holders, 3-5 post graduate holders.

In fact the nearest town sees more development in a decade than the one city being held by opposition nearby.
The small town have Rural UTC, government buildings that helps famers/entrepreneurs in between the town and longhouse.
Even the new highway passes through that town.
I have been living in that city for quite a bit and Opposition did nothing much in helping the poor economically there when I was there.

My point, if if was not for the Bumi policies on education, loans and housing, i doubt that the people in that longhouse will have anything higher than a SPM certificate
and they will be farmers and laborer for the rest of their lives.

I have many real life personal examples to share that involves non Malay Bumi
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U do know that the benefits sarawakian gets are mainly from the state govt and not federal right? Federal ones still mainly goes to Malay.

QUOTE(judas @ Nov 8 2020, 01:06 PM)
u my friend. are right.
where the money go? if they really genuine in help bumis, with those billions spent every year, i dont think bumi will be still driving grab or foodpand right?
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You need connections to get it. This applies to both BN/PN and PH times. Everytime this kinda grants are announced by the govt, the members of political parties gets first dibs. During BN era, everytime a new grant is announced, all those mid level macai in each Umno bahagian will have a gathering and discuss on getting the allocation and they usually would then submit it in a group and prepare the surat sokong an etc and submit it to the relevant ministry to get their applications fast tracked. The same happened in 2018-2019 when PH was in power, both PKR and PPBM mia members all day were just talking about getting this and that grant/funding.

QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 01:15 PM)
There is a difference. Thank you for correcting it. I already answered it initially.
What you are suggesting is we should be equal in distribution according to demographic
and the rich Bumi is exploiting the allocation of these poor Bumi?
A shorter answer:
A rich <insert race> will give back to it's own less fortunate kind because we are a self segregated society bounded by race and religion.

Example:

Middle Income Ahmad got good education because he got tongkat to University making him smart.
Middle Income Ahmad got tongkat in loans making him able to start his own business.
Middle Income Ahmad also got tongkat in housing making him saving his money more.
Middle Income Ahmad got rich in the span of 10 years, now people call him Rich Ahmad.

Now,
Rich Ahmad need to hire workers for his new project he got from tongkat.
Rich Ahmad hires Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan to help with the project.
Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan hires Poor Ali, Poor Sufian, Poor Hafiz and Poor Mohd to work for them.

In 10 years time,
All the Middle Income becomes Rich and all the Poor becomes Middle Income.
Rich Ahmad is getting richer, don't forget that. We call him Mega Rich Ahmad now

So,
Mega Rich Ahmad now opens up another tongkat business producing lots of newly Rich guys and Middle Income guys
Now Rich Abu and Rich Hassan tongkat summore.

Now
The son of Mega Rich Ahmad wanna marry a Poor Syed daughter, his dad approves and financed a grand wedding
Mega Rich Ahmad hires Moderate Income Hussein as caterer, Middle Income Halimah as Mak Andam, Rich Azman as Event Planner.
Now all the people working for Mega Rich Ahmad's son wedding hires a lot of Poor individuals for work.

And,
Family of Poor Syed also benefited from marrying the Mega Rich Ahmad by getting some work or small projects
Poor Syed's family boosted their statues to now as Middle Income Syed.

So in short, wealth trickles down to it's own society in a long run, this is why race based tongkat policy works.
It is a way to get of from the poverty cycle.

If Middle Income Ahmad does not have a university entry approved, his bank loans rejected, his housing quotas rejected
Abu, Hassan. Ali, Sufian, Hafiz, Hussein, Halimah, Azman and Syed would be stagnant economically.
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So tell me, if it’s working so well, why after 60+ years still got so many poor bumis and majority b40 consist of bumis?
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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Nov 8 2020, 01:55 PM)
Whatchu gonna do about it huh? Form a new political party? Who your supporter. U can't do shit. Only 2 ways I can see this as a non:

1) Work hard, shut up, kautau the malay kroni, become rich, make sure you give comfort to your next gen by amassing wealth. Like what the china businessmen r doing.

2) Work hard, get credentials, leave the country, or in other words, lu tak sukak lu cuba keluar.
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or

Work honestly and but don't let money dictates your life.
Balance your life with spending time with people you love and those who loves you.
Spend some the hard earn money in helping the poor whether it is RM1 or RM1000

Be tolerant to people who does not share your skin color, beliefs or political party.
It is okay to disagree, we are not created the same.

Money does bring happiness and solves problems but it does not give you joy in life.
It is impossible to be happy all the time, so enjoy those little moments.
Don't escape when ever there is a problem unless it is life threatening.
Instead try to work around it if you are unable to solve it.
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:03 PM)
or

Work honestly and but don't let money dictates your life.
Balance your life with spending time with people you love and those who loves you.
Spend some the hard earn money in helping the poor whether it is RM1 or RM1000

Be tolerant to people who does not share your skin color, beliefs or political party.
It is okay to disagree, we are not created the same.

Money does bring happiness and solves problems but it does not give you joy in life.
It is impossible to be happy all the time, so enjoy those little moments.
Don't escape when ever there is a problem unless it is life threatening.
Instead try to work around it if you are unable to solve it.
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Yup, in other words, just shut up and live your life, stop nagging life is unfair.
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Ayam melei but even i know this is true long time ago. Cuma melayu yg pemalas n bodoh je sibuk nk tongkat2 melampau.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 01:56 PM)
#1 U do know that the benefits sarawakian gets are mainly from the state govt and not federal right? Federal ones still mainly goes to Malay.


#3 So tell me, if it’s working so well, why after 60+ years still got so many poor bumis and majority b40 consist of bumis?
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#1
So you are saying Sarawakian Bumiputera does not benefits from the Bumi policy?
I am Melanau and I sure do does not having a problem with in in KL or Kuantan or Penang where I studied
It is a Federal constitution and it covers the whole Malaysia. Sarawak and Sabah is why Malaysia exist.

#3
Colonialism.

British favors the Chinese in business and education during its tenure.
Singapore and Hong Kong is the crown Jewel of the British Empire.

Divide and conquer is their tactic even in Africa, Middle East and America.
They also educates the royals by giving them false powers to rule.
But majority of the people are uneducated and oppressed.
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I think what TS is trying to say here is that, the tongkat policy is heavily flawed and corrupted. Common sense will tell you, after so many years, you see little to no effect, something is wrong with the policy.

Also, I applaud the politicians to have played the race and religion card so well, it blinds the typical Malaysians from seeing the actual truth. They think as long as it helps the "malay", then it's all good.
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 01:46 PM)
Yes it is fair.

Who said about other poor people needed to die?
We have Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat, Baitulmal (non muslim can apply)
and many more govt and NGO bodies to help them.

You are propagating here that the Poor Non Bumi should not be helped?
It is a false accusation.

And why I think this is fair?
This graph from this study explains why

Population shares of ethnic groups in each percentile, 2002 (pre-tax national income)
user posted image

Until we make the line between red and blue horizontally flat (red group have more rich than poor compared to blue group and vice versa),
we will not achieve racial/religious unity that is 100% essential to our economy.
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I've already said with needs based policy all resources goes to the poor. So if east malaysian bumis makes the larger segment, naturally they'll get the bigger share. But no, that is not enough for you, you want to deprive the other poor malaysians even if east malaysian bumis gets double their portion all in the name of racial "fairness" and "racial/religious unity"

You are just a racial discriminating racist just like the west malaysian malays which you rail against, only difference here is change the word from bumi agenda to east malaysian bumi agenda
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 01:15 PM)
There is a difference. Thank you for correcting it. I already answered it initially.
What you are suggesting is we should be equal in distribution according to demographic
and the rich Bumi is exploiting the allocation of these poor Bumi?
A shorter answer:
A rich <insert race> will give back to it's own less fortunate kind because we are a self segregated society bounded by race and religion.

Example:

Middle Income Ahmad got good education because he got tongkat to University making him smart.
Middle Income Ahmad got tongkat in loans making him able to start his own business.
Middle Income Ahmad also got tongkat in housing making him saving his money more.
Middle Income Ahmad got rich in the span of 10 years, now people call him Rich Ahmad.

Now,
Rich Ahmad need to hire workers for his new project he got from tongkat.
Rich Ahmad hires Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan to help with the project.
Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan hires Poor Ali, Poor Sufian, Poor Hafiz and Poor Mohd to work for them.

In 10 years time,
All the Middle Income becomes Rich and all the Poor becomes Middle Income.
Rich Ahmad is getting richer, don't forget that. We call him Mega Rich Ahmad now

So,
Mega Rich Ahmad now opens up another tongkat business producing lots of newly Rich guys and Middle Income guys
Now Rich Abu and Rich Hassan tongkat summore.

Now
The son of Mega Rich Ahmad wanna marry a Poor Syed daughter, his dad approves and financed a grand wedding
Mega Rich Ahmad hires Moderate Income Hussein as caterer, Middle Income Halimah as Mak Andam, Rich Azman as Event Planner.
Now all the people working for Mega Rich Ahmad's son wedding hires a lot of Poor individuals for work.

And,
Family of Poor Syed also benefited from marrying the Mega Rich Ahmad by getting some work or small projects
Poor Syed's family boosted their statues to now as Middle Income Syed.

So in short, wealth trickles down to it's own society in a long run, this is why race based tongkat policy works.
It is a way to get of from the poverty cycle.

If Middle Income Ahmad does not have a university entry approved, his bank loans rejected, his housing quotas rejected
Abu, Hassan. Ali, Sufian, Hafiz, Hussein, Halimah, Azman and Syed would be stagnant economically.
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This must be a very good example of tunnel vision, or some rather call it a frog under a well, only sees the sky above it.

At the mean time, under institutionalised mandatory policy, Ahmad, Abu, Hassan. Ali, Sufian, Hafiz, Hussein, Halimah, Azman and Syed all gets gov assistance and preffered treatment, benefits, privileges, priority. Rich or poor.

Where as the nons, rich or poor, gets ABSOLUTELY ZERO NOTHING.

That's the difference.


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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:10 PM)
#1
So you are saying Sarawakian Bumiputera does not benefits from the Bumi policy?
I am Melanau and I sure do does not having a problem with in in KL or Kuantan or Penang where I studied
It is a Federal constitution and it covers the whole Malaysia. Sarawak and Sabah is why Malaysia exist.

#3
Colonialism.

British favors the Chinese in business and education during its tenure.
Singapore and Hong Kong is the crown Jewel of the British Empire.

Divide and conquer is their tactic even in Africa, Middle East and America.
They also educates the royals by giving them false powers to rule.
But majority of the people are uneducated and oppressed.
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Again read what I said and go check urself, the funding that goes to you is mainly from the state govt not federal. Yes you still get to study in IPTA, but try getting any federal govt grants, how many Sabahan or Sarawakian manage to get that?

Colonialism? Bro that’s over 60+ years ago, we already had NEP for how long and spend how many tens of billions to improve the bumi economy, so why still so many poor bumis? Where did all that money go for so many decades? Funny la you.
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 8 2020, 02:17 PM)
This must be a very good example of tunnel vision, or some rather call it a frog under a well, only sees the sky above it.

At the mean time, under institutionalised mandatory policy, Ahmad, Abu, Hassan. Ali, Sufian, Hafiz, Hussein, Halimah, Azman and Syed all gets gov assistance and preffered treatment, benefits, privileges, priority. Rich or poor.

Where as the nons, rich or poor, gets ABSOLUTELY ZERO NOTHING.

That's the difference.
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On your first bolded, you think if ALL bumi gets to enjoy those privileges still got so many b40 bumi nowadays?

The bumi policy mainly only benefits the rich bumis, those who do not have connections don’t really get anything.
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Yup, in other words, just shut up and live your life, stop nagging life is unfair.
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I did not say you need to shut up.
You have every right to say your opinion as long as there is tolerance.

You don't eat beef in front of a Hindu or eat pork in front of a Malay because you tolerates their belief, right?
But no one is stopping you to consume whatever you want in your own space, right?

If you just argue for the sake of arguing and won't be involved in a proper discussion,
then,
you are not practicing your right as a civilian.

You can be friends with others who does not share the same opinion with you, why make them your enemy
and fill your life with hate?

If you see corruption, you can report to MACC.
If you see a crime, you can report to the police.
If you see someone making a false remark, you can educate them about the truth.

But simply saying you've given up on things and everybody is wrong is just not right in anyone's mind.
I don't wanna you to be sad, depressed or having thoughts on migrating.

All I am saying is you should not make money as your only goal in life.
Focus on your relation with another human being instead.
A life with a good relationships is a life fulfilled.

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 01:46 PM)
Yes it is fair.

Who said about other poor people needed to die?
We have Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat, Baitulmal (non muslim can apply)
and many more govt and NGO bodies to help them.

You are propagating here that the Poor Non Bumi should not be helped?
It is a false accusation.

And why I think this is fair?
This graph from this study explains why

Population shares of ethnic groups in each percentile, 2002 (pre-tax national income)
user posted image

Until we make the line between red and blue horizontally flat (red group have more rich than poor compared to blue group and vice versa),
we will not achieve racial/religious unity that is 100% essential to our economy.
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this was 2002 la dude. and is focussing on the rich not the poor.
U see below, cina, india, bumi all got poor people. cina 16% India 9% = 25%. Bumi = 75%.
apasal budget semua bumi allocation kasi 99% bumi dapat? 1% budget kasi 25%. tenkiu

user posted image
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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ Nov 7 2020, 03:50 PM)
Aiyah, we all know is liddat rd. But what to do? Too many people don't want to let go of their "privileges" coz they directly or indirectly benefit. Money now is better than money later even if the latter can be many times more
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If me also I won’t let go... can only be good, cannot be bad.. I would have better chance to enter uni, if I perform above average, I think can go quite far in GLCs already.... I wish I had bumi status... guarantee I won’t let go even if I know other elites are taking more... next generation only let them sort out themselves lor ...

People that say only helangs benefited are just sour grapes


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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:03 PM)
Be tolerant to people who does not share your skin color, beliefs or political party.
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Seriously, this is so hypocritical. On 1 hand you say be tolerant. On the other hand, you're advocating racial discrimination

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 02:23 PM)
On your first bolded, you think if ALL bumi gets to enjoy those privileges still got so many b40 bumi nowadays?

The bumi policy mainly only benefits the rich bumis, those who do not have connections don’t really get anything.
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Yes. All bumi gets the them. That's the policy. As long as you are bumi, it's automatic.

Implementation wise, it may benefit the rich bumis more, but, the core concept is, the policy applies to ALL bumis.

Why so many b40 from bumi? You gota ask bumi themselves.

If i tell the hard truths nanti kang certain quarters butthurt
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I've said it before:
Prove me wrong, change my mind
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So many arguments, as Chinese non bumi malaysians that was borned and grew up in this country, i feel grateful for me, myself and my next generation for not having such privilege or tongkat, because of this drive me to work harder and compete at different level, without having to depends on governments help. Parents often tell us, as a non in Malaysia, you need to work harder.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 02:21 PM)
Again read what I said and go check urself, the funding that goes to you is mainly from the state govt not federal. Yes you still get to study in IPTA, but try getting any federal govt grants, how many Sabahan or Sarawakian manage to get that?

Colonialism? Bro that’s over 60+ years ago, we already had NEP for how long and spend how many tens of billions to improve the bumi economy, so why still so many poor bumis? Where did all that money go for so many decades? Funny la you.
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I am a Sarawakian. I know.
I met Sarawakian who builds the huge mall in KL, those towers in Damansara, plays golf with PM and Obama etc.
Who are you bullshitting that Sarawakian does not have privilege?

I went to MRSM and have MARA scholarship to Uni. My classmate/unimates are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I work for government for 10 years before. My colleagues are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I have non Muslim Sarawakian classmate/housemate who now works with our government in New York

The list goes on and on. Stop with your lies

To answer your next question, yes because there are a lot of poor bumi that until the late 90s sees their life being changed by NEP that was initiated in the 70s.
But what halted the progress?

Communism.
We basically started building our country back after they surrendered in 1989.
That is where the whole money and policy really taking effect
We are a bit halted in 1998 due to political and economical unrest
but we are still growing strong today

Plus
I did a long Poor and Rich Malays example a few comment back. It takes generations to change a status of a self segregated community. (check my long answer 3-4 comments back)

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:37 PM)
I am a Sarawakian. I know.
I met Sarawakian who builds the huge mall in KL, those towers in Damansara, plays golf with PM and Obama etc.
Who are you bullshitting that Sarawakian does not have privilege?

I went to MRSM and have MARA scholarship to Uni. My classmate/unimates are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I work for government for 10 years before. My colleagues are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I have non Muslim Sarawakian classmate/housemate who now works with our government in New York

The list goes on and on. Stop with your lies

To answer your next question, yes because there are a lot of poor bumi that until the late 90s sees their life being changed by NEP that was initiated in the 70s.
But what halted the progress?

Communism.
We basically started building our country back after they surrendered in 1989.
That is where the whole money and policy really taking effect
We are a bit halted in 1998 due to political and economical unrest
but we are still growing strong today

Plus
I did a long Poor and Rich Malays example a few comment back. It takes generations to change a status of a self segregated community. (check my long answer 3-4 comments back)
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How many of them are there? Heck even Chinese and Indian also got a few that work in govt depts la. That doesn’t represent the whole community.

Oh so now blame it on communism since your earlier argument on colonialism didn’t work? Simple question la, where did all the billions go to if not to the pockets of only a few elite bumis?
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QUOTE(judas @ Nov 8 2020, 02:28 PM)
this was 2002 la dude. and is focussing on the rich not the poor.
U see below, cina, india, bumi all got poor people. cina 16% India 9% = 25%. Bumi = 75%.
apasal budget semua bumi allocation kasi 99% bumi dapat? 1% budget kasi 25%. tenkiu

user posted image
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So you are dismissing this study as invalid due to it being 18 years old?

secondly,
look at our racial demographic population.
Bumi and India sounds about right because we got 70% bumi and 9% Indian roughly,

Shouldn't Chinese be 24% instead of 16%?

So in other words, Chinese have less poor compared to Bumi and Indian

Thirdly,
Since there is Bumi allocation for Bumi policies, then by right it should be given to Bumi
Right?

If not, by your logic
Then if there is a Sarawakian allocation for Sarawak, a Selangorian should have a piece of it?
Or an allocation for Sabahan should be share by all Malaysian.

Now I understand why people in the West always a wanna a piece of Sabah and Sarawak.
Even though there are allocations to each and every citizen and state given every year.
That is why we are still underdeveloped compared to the West.
The West have been songlaping our money to build their MRT, PLUS, KLCC and KLIA with our oil and gas money
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 8 2020, 02:31 PM)
Yes. All bumi gets the them. That's the policy. As long as you are bumi, it's automatic.

Implementation wise, it may benefit the rich bumis more, but, the core concept is, the policy applies to ALL bumis.

Why so many b40 from bumi? You gota ask bumi themselves.

If i tell the hard truths nanti kang certain quarters butthurt
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The concept does not reflect the reality. The so called govt grants for bumi businesses hardly goes to the poor bumi although the concept is to help poor bumis, most go to party members of the ruling party. The only thing that bumis get is Education wise ie spot in IPTA. Even then most of the good scholarships like those going overseas etc goes to those with connections. That’s the reality.
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:47 PM)
So you are dismissing this study as invalid due to it being 18 years old?

secondly,
look at our racial demographic population.
Bumi and India sounds about right because we got 70% bumi and 9% Indian roughly,

Shouldn't Chinese be 24% instead of 16%?

So in other words, Chinese have less poor compared to Bumi and Indian

Thirdly,
Since there is Bumi allocation for Bumi policies, then by right it should be given to Bumi
Right?

If not, by your logic
Then if there is a Sarawakian allocation for Sarawak, a Selangorian should have a piece of it?
Or an allocation for Sabahan should be share by all Malaysian.

Now I understand why people in the West always a wanna a piece of Sabah and Sarawak.
Even though there are allocations to each and every citizen and state given every year.
That is why we are still underdeveloped compared to the West.
The West have been songlaping our money to build their MRT, PLUS, KLCC and KLIA with our oil and gas money

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And who do you think did this if not your beloved govt that are doing so much to “help” bumis?

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 02:44 PM)
How many of them are there? Heck even Chinese and Indian also got a few that work in govt depts la. That doesn’t represent the whole community.

Oh so now blame it on communism since your earlier argument on colonialism didn’t work? Simple question la, where did all the billions go to if not to the pockets of only a few elite bumis?
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I work for federal government in both Selangor and Sarawak for 10 years. There are lots of Sarawakian here in my PJ office.
One of them is the head of (our expertise) department. But then Sarawakian wants to go back where home is.

In my work place i can say it is 65% Bumi and 35% non Bumi in PJ and in Sarawak, it is close to 60-40% (we have no indians)

Secondly, you ask 2 sets of different question.
one is why the Bumi have so many poor and one is why NEP changes their economic statues.

If you learn history, colonialism is the reason why most country are poor and slow to progress.
Look at the middle east, that is what colonialism did to the region.
Intellectuals are killed, the native are suppressed in education and their wealth is plundered and destroyed.
You can learn what French did to Algeria for a more in depth study of effects on colonialism

If you know about economics, things that will affect it is political instability. Hence communist insurgencies (not CCP ideology per se) halted our progress in rural area.
That is why we need stability to help the economy grows.
That also includes racial stability.
Why does Japan, Korea and Singapore have in common that makes them progress economically?
Racial unity (one major race in power)
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Nov 8 2020, 12:29 PM)
It made millionaires out of 0.01% of bumis.

Not a scam.  Sekian

To ensure the other 99.9% of bumis become millionaire..just pump in myr 10 trillions  more .
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Yes, for another 100 years at least. If stil kenot reach wealth equality, then repeat with extra $10,000,000,000,000 for another 100 years.
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I is suppork more tongkat given..becos i wan to see more b40 olang kite
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And who do you think did this if not your beloved govt that are doing so much to “help” bumis?
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One person
Mahathir
He have been hating Sarawak from early on.

Only Najib (sadly it is him as an example) that helped building Sarawak back on their feet
With highways and bridges and other things to help Sarawakian in development.
And Mahathir have to fuck up things again when PH is in power

For decades we have been fighting for our oil and recentl
Now that he is gone
We have our oil rights back and Shell is moving all of their offices to Sarawak exclusively.
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:57 PM)
I work for federal government in both Selangor and Sarawak for 10 years. There are lots of Sarawakian here in my PJ office.
One of them is the head of (our expertise) department. But then Sarawakian wants to go back where home is.

In my work place i can say it is 65% Bumi and 35% non Bumi in PJ and in Sarawak, it is close to 60-40% (we have no indians)

Secondly, you ask 2 sets of different question.
one is why the Bumi have so many poor and one is why NEP changes their economic statues.

If you learn history, colonialism is the reason why most country are poor and slow to progress.
Look at the middle east, that is what colonialism did to the region.
Intellectuals are killed, the native are suppressed in education and their wealth is plundered and destroyed.
You can learn what French did to Algeria for a more in depth study of effects on colonialism

If you know about economics, things that will affect it is political instability. Hence communist insurgencies (not CCP ideology per se) halted our progress in rural area.
That is why we need stability to help the economy grows.
That also includes racial stability.
Why does Japan, Korea and Singapore have in common that makes them progress economically?
Racial unity (one major race in power)
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No it’s one question why after over 50 years of NEP and tens or even hundreds of billions allocated still so many poor bumis. Don’t go changing my question to fit your narrative.

You wanna blame colonialism, then what about Singapore? Why they manage to grow to where there are now?


QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 03:05 PM)
One person
Mahathir
He have been hating Sarawak from early on.

Only Najib (sadly it is him as an example) that helped building Sarawak back on their feet
With highways and bridges and other things to help Sarawakian in development.
And Mahathir have to fuck up things again when PH is in power

For decades we have been fighting for our oil and recentl
Now that he is gone
We have our oil rights back and Shell is moving all of their offices to Sarawak exclusively.
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Wait, you mean Sarawak already got back 20% oil royalty? When did that happen?
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 03:11 PM)
No it’s one question why after over 50 years of NEP and tens or even hundreds of billions allocated still so many poor bumis. Don’t go changing my question to fit your narrative.

You wanna blame colonialism, then what about Singapore? Why they manage to grow to where there are now?

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Precisely. Really facepalm at some ppl can blame the earth and sky until british colonialism for bumi development/agenda (which was created post 1969 and nothing to do with the brits) being a scam
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:47 PM)
So you are dismissing this study as invalid due to it being 18 years old?

secondly,
look at our racial demographic population.
Bumi and India sounds about right because we got 70% bumi and 9% Indian roughly,

Shouldn't Chinese be 24% instead of 16%?

So in other words, Chinese have less poor compared to Bumi and Indian

Thirdly,
Since there is Bumi allocation for Bumi policies, then by right it should be given to Bumi
Right?

If not, by your logic
Then if there is a Sarawakian allocation for Sarawak, a Selangorian should have a piece of it?
Or an allocation for Sabahan should be share by all Malaysian.

Now I understand why people in the West always a wanna a piece of Sabah and Sarawak.
Even though there are allocations to each and every citizen and state given every year.
That is why we are still underdeveloped compared to the West.
The West have been songlaping our money to build their MRT, PLUS, KLCC and KLIA with our oil and gas money
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Back to the subject. u say cina is 24%, but only 16% of cina is poor. no need help the 16%, because they are cina? then why tax take from cina and other race as well?

Second, u say bumi needs help because 75% is bumi.. more poor bumis compared to the rest. Then population of indians are lower than 9% but got 9% poor is indian, but why gomen only allocate 0.2% budget2021 to help the indians?

We expect country to be racist, but budget dont be racist la.
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QUOTE(1designs @ Nov 8 2020, 02:13 PM)
I think what TS is trying to say here is that, the tongkat policy is heavily flawed and corrupted. Common sense will tell you, after so many years, you see little to no effect, something is wrong with the policy.

Also, I applaud the politicians to have played the race and religion card so well, it blinds the typical Malaysians from seeing the actual truth. They think as long as it helps the "malay", then it's all good.
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yup, precisely. But at least we can take heart most get it here with the exception of a few shitstirrers who likes to eat cheap dogfood and 1 east malaysian racial discriminating bigot who thinks it is fair to deprive the other poor malaysians even if east malaysian bumis gets more than their portion all in the name of racial "fairness" and "racial/religious unity"
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Whatchu gonna do about it huh? Form a new political party? Who your supporter? R u expecting the majority to support abolishing tongkat? You can't do shit. Only 2 ways I can see this as a non:

1) Work hard, shut up, kautau the malay kroni, become rich, make sure you give comfort to your next gen by amassing wealth. Like what the china businessmen r doing.

2) Work hard, get credentials, leave the country, or in other words, lu tak sukak lu cuba keluar.
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at the end of the day,

what chu gonna do about it?

100 pages thread wont change anything.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 03:24 PM)
yup, precisely. But at least we can take heart most get it here with the exception of a few shitstirrers who likes to eat cheap dogfood and 1 east malaysian racial discriminating bigot who thinks it is fair to deprive the other poor malaysians even if east malaysian bumis gets more than their portion all in the name of racial "fairness" and "racial/religious unity"
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You can say the new economic policy and the bumiputra policy no effect at all from 2002 till 2014 (12 years) for the b40.
percentage stays the same what. aparanciao different?

user posted image

Reaping the benefit is mostly only the T20. Can see showing off their hermes bags, driving lambo, mustang, etc..


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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:47 PM)
So you are dismissing this study as invalid due to it being 18 years old?

secondly,
look at our racial demographic population.
Bumi and India sounds about right because we got 70% bumi and 9% Indian roughly,

Shouldn't Chinese be 24% instead of 16%?

So in other words, Chinese have less poor compared to Bumi and Indian

Thirdly,
Since there is Bumi allocation for Bumi policies, then by right it should be given to Bumi
Right?

If not, by your logic
Then if there is a Sarawakian allocation for Sarawak, a Selangorian should have a piece of it?
Or an allocation for Sabahan should be share by all Malaysian.

Now I understand why people in the West always a wanna a piece of Sabah and Sarawak.
Even though there are allocations to each and every citizen and state given every year.
That is why we are still underdeveloped compared to the West.
The West have been songlaping our money to build their MRT, PLUS, KLCC and KLIA with our oil and gas money
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don't blame the west for the songlap thing because its your state assemblyman that voted to agree to let go the equal partner status in the federation. Just like if your dad willing to let go all his assets and now you blame why people songlap ur thing? No matter what you still benefit from the easy entrance to public uni, very cheap semester fee and jobs in government.

QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:57 PM)
I work for federal government in both Selangor and Sarawak for 10 years. There are lots of Sarawakian here in my PJ office.
One of them is the head of (our expertise) department. But then Sarawakian wants to go back where home is.

In my work place i can say it is 65% Bumi and 35% non Bumi in PJ and in Sarawak, it is close to 60-40% (we have no indians)

Secondly, you ask 2 sets of different question.
one is why the Bumi have so many poor and one is why NEP changes their economic statues.

If you learn history, colonialism is the reason why most country are poor and slow to progress.
Look at the middle east, that is what colonialism did to the region.
Intellectuals are killed, the native are suppressed in education and their wealth is plundered and destroyed.
You can learn what French did to Algeria for a more in depth study of effects on colonialism

If you know about economics, things that will affect it is political instability. Hence communist insurgencies (not CCP ideology per se) halted our progress in rural area.
That is why we need stability to help the economy grows.
That also includes racial stability.
Why does Japan, Korea and Singapore have in common that makes them progress economically?
Racial unity (one major race in power)
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To sum up, your main point is if without the coffee, then your racist instinct will kick in?

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QUOTE(viole @ Nov 8 2020, 03:26 PM)
at the end of the day,

what chu gonna do about it?

100 pages thread wont change anything.
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Yup. The people u want to change are all not on lowyat forum. You think they so smart and tech savvy know english and log in forum lowyat to read these?

And the people who read this thread also fap only for fun, no fks given.


Nothing can be done. Just diam diam work hard and reap what u sow.

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Nov 8 2020, 03:42 PM)
Yup. The people u want to change are all not on lowyat forum. You think they so smart and tech savvy know english and log in forum lowyat to read these?

And the people who read this thread also fap only for fun, no fks given.
Nothing can be done. Just diam diam work hard and reap what u sow.
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yep. i dont agree too.

but hey, when they give me free money, i'll just take it.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 03:11 PM)
No it’s one question why after over 50 years of NEP and tens or even hundreds of billions allocated still so many poor bumis. Don’t go changing my question to fit your narrative.

You wanna blame colonialism, then what about Singapore? Why they manage to grow to where there are now?

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Firstly
Generational poverty is prevalent amongst the people in the rural because of lack to access of education, lack of job opportunities and basic need like electricity, water and roads.
This is why Bumi which resides in these locations often find it difficult to compete in economic growth compared to the people in the urban areas, which surprise, surprise, is non Bumi.

Thus billions is needed to improve the infrastructures that is needed to help their economy and giving them fair chance to compete with others.
Thus lots of training centers, entrepreneur training, industrial training, schemes and loans are given to them in order to push them to the right direction.
People in the urban areas often have access to internet, tuition centers, training centers, high paying jobs and state of the art transportation compare to people living in coastal or inlands rural places.

So you get my point or do I need to elaborate more?

Secondly
Singapore is the crown colony of British colony same to Labuan, Malacca, Sarawak and Penang but not Malaya.
Meaning Singapore is under direct rule of the Crown.

But Singapore is the jewel colony for the British because of it's location and trade route.
There is nothing to plunder because it have no natural resources but it links all the islands in the region to a central location of it's port

This is part of the reason why Penang, Malacca and Labuan declined in being the port of the region.
It was pretty successful way before the world wars.
Even when the Japanese invaded that region, Singapore is the pinnacle of their invasion objective.
British fought hard to protect Singapore but not Kuala Lumpur or Labuan.

Another reason is Singapore is pretty much one race nation where it is politically stabile thus economic growth is the by product of that
Then, it have only one language to unite all.
Lastly Singapore have developed all it's landscape and no further development like building roads or bridges or tunnels needed to connect one town to another

These three last reasons is why Malaysia is far left behind in economic growth but now only can match Singapore in infrastructure growth.

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QUOTE(judas @ Nov 8 2020, 03:28 PM)
You can say the new economic policy and the bumiputra policy no effect at all from 2002 till 2014 (12 years) for the b40.
percentage stays the same what. aparanciao different?

user posted image

Reaping the benefit is mostly only the T20. Can see showing off their hermes bags, driving lambo, mustang, etc..
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it is good that the T20 is growing, the wealth can trickle down to the lower halves in term of more employment, business opportunity and such
What you are suggesting is socialism where everyone should be equal in wealth
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QUOTE(lam86 @ Nov 8 2020, 03:40 PM)
#1 - don't blame the west for the songlap thing because its your state assemblyman that voted to agree to let go the equal partner status in the federation. Just like if your dad willing to let go all his assets and now you blame why people songlap ur thing? No matter what you still benefit from the easy entrance to public uni, very cheap semester fee and jobs in government.

#2 - To sum up, your main point is if without the coffee, then your racist instinct will kick in?
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#1
One word (person) - MAHATHIR

#2
What's your point other than being ad hominem?
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Those who get peanuts is not happy, imagine they demand total loyalty from those who get nothing.
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Doesn't work because even in /k you have some people arguing make rich malay richer is fair and good for country

I ain't gonna name names, but they are ktards who claim to support fairness equality bla bla

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QUOTE(judas @ Nov 8 2020, 03:22 PM)
#1 Back to the subject. u say cina is 24%, but only 16% of cina is poor. no need help the 16%, because they are cina? then why tax take from cina and other race as well?

#2 Second, u say bumi needs help because 75% is bumi.. more poor bumis compared to the rest. Then population of indians are lower than 9% but got 9% poor is indian, but why gomen only allocate 0.2% budget2021 to help the indians?

We expect country to be racist, but budget dont be racist la.
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#1
Everyone is taxed accordingly.

If you use the facilities and protection given by the government,
then you should pay your tax. If you live in a far away jungle without electricity, roads, police, fire brigades, army
then it is your right not to pay thses taxes

#2
Does the Indian enjoy the subsidies or not?
Are they protected by law?
Are they protected by the constitution?
Are they Malaysian?

If no, then you have the wrong interpretation of things.

I don't believe in equality but in fairness and just.
You allocate them with the value of things that will help them, not in numbers but in the overall effect

For example,
Giving a farmer a Hilux is better than giving him a Lambo not because of the price but how it affects his life

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Nov 8 2020, 03:42 PM)
Yup. The people u want to change are all not on lowyat forum. You think they so smart and tech savvy know english and log in forum lowyat to read these?

And the people who read this thread also fap only for fun, no fks given.
Nothing can be done. Just diam diam work hard and reap what u sow.
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You are so wrong. If social media/internet has no effect NAJIS will still be your PM. That's why cancerman is reviving JASA.
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 03:50 PM)
it is good that the T20 is growing, the wealth can trickle down to the lower halves in term of more employment, business opportunity and such
What you are suggesting is socialism where everyone should be equal in wealth
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Dude, you are just arguing all over the place replying for the sake of argument. What you post above is totally opposite of what you post below, arguing against T20 and advocating forced socialism:
QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 01:46 PM)
Yes it is fair.

Who said about other poor people needed to die?
We have Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat, Baitulmal (non muslim can apply)
and many more govt and NGO bodies to help them.

You are propagating here that the Poor Non Bumi should not be helped?
It is a false accusation.

And why I think this is fair?
This graph from this study explains why

Population shares of ethnic groups in each percentile, 2002 (pre-tax national income)
user posted image

Until we make the line between red and blue horizontally flat (red group have more rich than poor compared to blue group and vice versa),
we will not achieve racial/religious unity that is 100% essential to our economy.
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Do you even know what you talking about or not? rclxub.gif Or is it you're just tailor-fitting your replies to different arguments?

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 04:04 PM)
#1
Everyone is taxed accordingly.

If you use the facilities and protection given by the government,
then you should pay your tax. If you live in a far away jungle without electricity, roads, police, fire brigades, army
then it is your right not to pay thses taxes

#2
Does the Indian enjoy the subsidies or not?
Are they protected by law?
Are they protected by the constitution?
Are they Malaysian?

If no, then you have the wrong interpretation of things.

I don't believe in equality but in fairness and just.
You allocate them with the value of things that will help them, not in numbers but in the overall effect

For example,
Giving a farmer a Hilux is better than giving him a Lambo not because of the price but how it affects his life
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problem is if things are not right then why not stop it? ur atuk still says people are lazy. external debts in trillion. and very less advancement in terms of technology or whatsoever.

money should be spent to improve skills and technology. if just for enjoyment then how the country to advance? If no advance and yet you still want to keep the enjoyment will only further increase the external debts.
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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 03:48 PM)
Firstly
Generational poverty is prevalent amongst the people in the rural because of lack to access of education, lack of job opportunities and basic need like electricity, water and roads.
This is why Bumi which resides in these locations often find it difficult to compete in economic growth compared to the people in the urban areas, which surprise, surprise, is non Bumi.

Thus billions is needed to improve the infrastructures that is needed to help their economy and giving them fair chance to compete with others.
Thus lots of training centers, entrepreneur training, industrial training, schemes and loans are given to them in order to push them to the right direction.
People in the urban areas often have access to internet, tuition centers, training centers, high paying jobs and state of the art transportation compare to people living in coastal or inlands rural places.

So you get my point or do I need to elaborate more?

Secondly
Singapore is the crown colony of British colony same to Labuan, Malacca, Sarawak and Penang but not Malaya.
Meaning Singapore is under direct rule of the Crown.

But Singapore is the jewel colony for the British because of it's location and trade route.
There is nothing to plunder because it have no natural resources but it links all the islands in the region to a central location of it's port

This is part of the reason why Penang, Malacca and Labuan declined in being the port of the region.
It was pretty successful way before the world wars.
Even when the Japanese invaded that region, Singapore is the pinnacle of their invasion objective.
British fought hard to protect Singapore but not Kuala Lumpur or Labuan.

Another reason is Singapore is pretty much one race nation where it is politically stabile thus economic growth is the by product of that
Then, it have only one language to unite all.
Lastly Singapore have developed all it's landscape and no further development like building roads or bridges or tunnels needed to connect one town to another

These three last reasons is why Malaysia is far left behind in economic growth but now only can match Singapore in infrastructure growth.
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And what does this got to do with bumi agenda being a scam and only benefits the rich and connected bumi instead of a needs based agenda where all poor and needy would benefit?
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 04:12 PM)
Dude, you are just arguing all over the place replying for the sake of argument. What you post above is totally opposite of what you post below, arguing against T20 and advocating forced socialism:

Do you even know what you talking about or not?  rclxub.gif  Or is it you're just tailor-fitting your replies to different arguments?
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It is relevant to the arguments. I explained it in my Middle Income Ahmad example a few pages back.

Yes.

In short summary,
Affirmative action in Malaysia is needed to balance out wealth gap between races in order to maintain racial unity which is crucial to the nation's economic progress.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 04:19 PM)
And what does this got to do with bumi agenda being a scam and only benefits the rich and connected bumi instead of a needs based agenda where all poor and needy would benefit?
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you've asked me two questions and I answered it. The recent answers got nothing to do with what you've just said above
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With the way things are going, this bumi rights this or that could well become irrelevant.

In the not-so distant future....

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 04:19 PM)
It is relevant to the arguments. I explained it in my Middle Income Ahmad example a few pages back.

Yes.

In short summary,
Affirmative action in Malaysia is needed to balance out wealth gap between races in order to maintain racial unity which is crucial to the nation's economic progress.
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Yet again you do not understand or wish not to understand. The opening post already summed it up pretty clearly.

Affirmative action as it is currently only benefits the rich and connected bumis. With needs based policy, poor bumis will naturally gets a bigger share of the affirmative pie by nature they are the largest segment of B40. How is that not balancing the wealth gap?



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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 03:48 PM)
Firstly
Generational poverty is prevalent amongst the people in the rural because of lack to access of education, lack of job opportunities and basic need like electricity, water and roads.
This is why Bumi which resides in these locations often find it difficult to compete in economic growth compared to the people in the urban areas, which surprise, surprise, is non Bumi.

Thus billions is needed to improve the infrastructures that is needed to help their economy and giving them fair chance to compete with others.
Thus lots of training centers, entrepreneur training, industrial training, schemes and loans are given to them in order to push them to the right direction.
People in the urban areas often have access to internet, tuition centers, training centers, high paying jobs and state of the art transportation compare to people living in coastal or inlands rural places.

So you get my point or do I need to elaborate more?

Secondly
Singapore is the crown colony of British colony same to Labuan, Malacca, Sarawak and Penang but not Malaya.
Meaning Singapore is under direct rule of the Crown.

But Singapore is the jewel colony for the British because of it's location and trade route.
There is nothing to plunder because it have no natural resources but it links all the islands in the region to a central location of it's port

This is part of the reason why Penang, Malacca and Labuan declined in being the port of the region.
It was pretty successful way before the world wars.
Even when the Japanese invaded that region, Singapore is the pinnacle of their invasion objective.
British fought hard to protect Singapore but not Kuala Lumpur or Labuan.

Another reason is Singapore is pretty much one race nation where it is politically stabile thus economic growth is the by product of that
Then, it have only one language to unite all.
Lastly Singapore have developed all it's landscape and no further development like building roads or bridges or tunnels needed to connect one town to another

These three last reasons is why Malaysia is far left behind in economic growth but now only can match Singapore in infrastructure growth.
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No you’re not answering the question at all, since NEP started until 2016 a total of 291 billion USD has been spent on improving the bumiputras economically. That’s almost 1 trillion ringgit. So tell me, where did all that money go? You’re saying that despite spending so much we still couldn’t develop the rural areas?
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It’s a feeling good budget but not benefitted them. Unless you rela jilat kasut sampai tangan on those elite malays , then only you might have a chance .
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 8 2020, 04:51 PM)
No you’re not answering the question at all, since NEP started until 2016 a total of 291 billion USD has been spent on improving the bumiputras economically. That’s almost 1 trillion ringgit. So tell me, where did all that money go? You’re saying that despite spending so much we still couldn’t develop the rural areas?
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You know I know the money is already in some SCumno Scumbags pocket. Otherwise we won't be known as Bolehland!
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 04:27 PM)
Yet again you do not understand or wish not to understand. The opening post already summed it up pretty clearly.

Affirmative action as it is currently only benefits the rich and connected bumis. With needs based policy, poor bumis will naturally gets a bigger share of the affirmative pie by nature they are the largest segment of B40. How is that not balancing the wealth gap?
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Let's understand your argument first on
Affirmative action as it is currently only benefits the rich and connected bumis.

So it does not benefits the poor and unconnected? I believe that is false.

On your second argument,
With needs based policy, poor bumis will naturally gets a bigger share of the affirmative pie by nature they are the largest segment of B40. How is that not balancing the wealth gap?

I believe no. Here is why.

For example,
Poor Hashim gets a bigger share in tongkat (let's use this word to sum up Bumi benefit's).
Poor Ikau also gets a bigger share too like Poor Hashim
Poor Jibeh also gets a bigger share like those two.

So Poor Hashim, Poor Ikau and Poor Jibeh decided to start a business.
With proper training because of tongkat, they are smart enough to open up one.
With proper loans, they would be able to set up a shop

But
Poor Hashim lives in a fishing village, he does not know any Moderate Income or Rich people personally, just poor like him in his area
Poor Ikau also lives in a longhouse the rural area, he hardly can speak English so his business have communication limitation
Poor Jibeh lives in the highlands village and he lacks the roads to connect his shop for supplies and such.

Now,
Poor Hashim, Poor Ikau and Poor Jibeh have limits to their business and such tongkat can only bring them that far
Even if they work hard, their business would just be limited to their area, language, ethic groups or religious clusters

Maybe in 2-3 generations, their offspring would be educated at least on a diploma level or even a degree level.
Then again, there is no guarantee that these 3 poor fellas families would escape the generational poverty cycle.

But what if the Tongkat policy is based on races?

Poor Hashim would still be poor?
Maybe.

But Poor Ikau might know someone who is Moderate Income Akun.
So Moderate Income Akun have the extra money to help Poor Ikau under his wings
until Poor Ikau have the fluent way to communicate not only in English but also in Mandarin
Moderate Income Akun is a mentor to Poor Ikau in business since they share the same language, religion and ethnicity
As time pass by Poor Ikau becomes Moderate Income Ikau.

Poor Jibeh still having difficulties in getting supplies and this is where Rich Gonolon comes in
Seeing that he can sell his product in Poor Jibeh's village which shares the same language, religion and ethnicity with him
Rich Gonolon set up a shop there and helped Poor Jibeh in getting his supplies by sharing his lorry.
As time pass by, Rich Gonolon is able to help other villagers in getting supplies so in time
Poor Jibeh village have more people setting up all sorts of businesses,

Back to Poor Hashim, tongkat does not work for him no matter how hard he works
But Poor Hashim stike a goldmine
He met Rich Ahmad's daughter and fell in love.
They get married and Poor Hashim moved out from his village and works for Rich Ahmad
Now me is Moderate Income Hashim

So,
would Rich Gonolon help Poor Hashim?
Certainly not, they don't share any connection

Would Moderate Income Akun help Poor Jibeh?
Nope, they are way socially segregated to even have a chance to meet

Would Rich Syed help Poor Hashim when Poor Hashim called him to ask for help.
Probably yes, because they share the same language, religion and ethnicity

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You know I know the money is already in some SCumno Scumbags pocket. Otherwise we won't be known as Bolehland!
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No you’re not answering the question at all, since NEP started until 2016 a total of 291 billion USD has been spent on improving the bumiputras economically. That’s almost 1 trillion ringgit. So tell me, where did all that money go? You’re saying that despite spending so much we still couldn’t develop the rural areas?
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So the bolded one is your question, before that, please state your claim first about the amount of money being spend, Give me a link to support your argument.
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all these politicians selling "vote own ppl" concept are technically scammer no matter wat race... how many year pass edi.. everything still the same, while those bastard keep getting rich saja
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Ya but some people avoiding the point and trying to go around in circles blaming colonialism, communism and all other kinds of BS
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Lol I read this 3 times and still no idea what you talking about.

How does tongkat policy based on race or needs will make poor ikau meet akun or not? What does tongkat policy based on race or needs got to do with jibeh and gonolon? And how does tongkat policy based on needs will mean hashim wont to meet ahmad's daughter but only through tongkat policy based on race can?

You are basing all your argument through only one focus - your own 1 way street. Needs based tongkat ---> money ---> start business ---> bad. Race based tongkat ---> everything good (no idea how or why it is so but it is definitely good lah)

As if no other possibilities or perspectives are possible. That is simply strawman argument.

Sorry to say this but even your strawman argument is making absolutely zero sense. Try again to prove me wrong or change my mind that needs based agenda is the better way
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Don't mind me checking in to see if anything changes. NOPE!.

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And what does this got to do with bumi agenda being a scam and only benefits the rich and connected bumi instead of a needs based agenda where all poor and needy would benefit?
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u really go layan them ke? nobody give a shit la.
if the b40 dont stay poor, how they wanna every year get budget to help them?

its a vicious cycle. let it be, just pay ur taxes and treat it like a rent. but damn sometimes the gomen depts treat us as if we owe them money is really the fucked up part.
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QUOTE(judas @ Nov 8 2020, 08:25 PM)
u really go layan them ke? nobody give a shit la.
if the b40 dont stay poor, how they wanna every year get budget to help them?

its a vicious cycle. let it be, just pay ur taxes and treat it like a rent. but damn sometimes the gomen depts treat us as if we owe them money is really the fucked up part.
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But yeah, sometimes gomen staffs are really shits. Not all, and I do have many pleasant encounters with govt depts, but sometimes some of them makes you feel like shouting at their face, "Hoi! Aku bukan datang sini mengemis tau tak!" vmad.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 08:08 PM)
Lol I read this 3 times and still no idea what you talking about.

How does tongkat policy based on race or needs will make poor ikau meet akun or not? What does tongkat policy based on race or needs got to do with jibeh and gonolon? And how does tongkat policy based on needs will mean hashim wont to meet ahmad's daughter but only through tongkat policy based on race can?

You are basing all your argument through only one focus - your own 1 way street. Needs based tongkat ---> money ---> start business ---> bad. Race based tongkat ---> everything good (no idea how or why it is so but it is definitely good lah)

As if no other possibilities or perspectives are possible. That is simply strawman argument.

Sorry to say this but even your strawman argument is making absolutely zero sense. Try again to prove me wrong or change my mind that needs based agenda is the better way
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Because people in similar race or religion or area of living or language will tend to congregate in the same community
whether it is a fish market or a church mass or a wedding or any social event that that have attended.

A Dusun guy won't be bother to attend or be invited to a Iban social event.
Same goes to Chinese that wouldn't have the chance Malay Ramadan Tarawikh
Unless they are co-workers or same place of education.

A Malay will help a Malay especially when their social status is higher or sometimes lower than others.
Other Bumi ethnicities shares the same mindset of helping the less fortunate in your community.

Perhaps Chinese have different look into this but I doubt that.
I've attended around 30-40 Chinese weddings, countless CNY visits and BBQs and one of my ex is Chinese.
Perhaps this is why Chinese does not think the way Malays or others think. (I'm not saying one is right or wrong, just different way)

I cannot speak in regards of Indians because I rarely encountered them in my life to be able to make judgement

So an Iban will hire their own kind as a priority for employment. I believe Chinese too.
A Malay will hire Malay contractors for a Malay wedding because they share the same diet, religion, language
or in a shorter form, it is easier to get the job done.
A Chinese will hire their own kind because hiring a Malay would be troublesome in term of diet and custom.

Malay will have Malay patrons in their restaurant and vice versa. An Iban will buys from an Iban and such.
You get my point right?

So the distribution of wealth trickles down from the rich to poor in one closed society in an area.
The poor hardly distributes the wealth amongst themselves because they are not able to.

T20 is important to create employment, create business opportunity and develops the area of their etc.

For example (I have personally met them and been to their home),
Tan Sri Alfred Jabu was the Iban leader and T20 in Betong. He still lives in the original longhouse he grew up.
His longhouse now creates 22 degree holders, 3 Master etc whereas 20 years ago, they were merely farmers and laborer's
Now Betong have community centers, Trans Borneo highway, Rural UTC, hotels, KFC, Watson and such because of what he brings

Tan Sri Mustapha Kamal, a T20 was just government servant serving as a DO in Banting. But then with NEP in the 70s he tried his luck as a land developer.
Now he employs his family members, the friends of his family members and such. He helped developed Cyber Jaya and parts of KL.
But little do we know that he funded a lot of mosque to be build secretly with his money.
I saw him giving cash money to my friend's father when my friend passed away in Pantai Medical Center to pay for his bills.
I saw him paying zakat in a Australia to a local imam because he had some business there.
In short, he distributes his wealth either as donations, business opportunity or employment to his people.

So are this 2 people corrupt as most people here say T20 is corrupt?


*I met Najib in his office (for work) discussing about his project on the Klinik Bergerak 1Malaysia in rural Sarawak. I know it us unrelated but heck, just for kick
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you still did not explain how does how does tongkat policy based on race or needs makes a difference whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not.

And you are still arguing from your own tunnel vision strawman. 1 good T20 = all T20 are good, there are no abuse of the current bumi agenda. But only bumi T20 is important to create employment and opportunity, non bumi wealth gap must be reduced in the name of "fairness" and "racial/religious unity"

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you still did not explain how does how does tongkat policy based on race or needs makes a difference whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not.

And you are still from your own tunnel vision perspective. 1 good T20 = all T20 are good, there are no abuse of the current bumi agenda. But only bumi T20 is important to create employment and opportunity, non bumi wealth gap must be reduced in the name of "fairness" and "racial/religious unity"
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Akun and Ikau is Iban
Jibeh and Gonolon is Kadazan

Didn't I mentioned about long houses and highlands?
Obviously all you guys know is Malay vs Chinese.
I am Melanau btw,

Both the above is my actual classmates back in my school in Kuantan.
Those are their names and their surname

I have answered it countless time.
People in the same ethnicity shares something in common like space, food, tradition, language etc.
This is often the reason how they meet
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Akun and Ikau is Iban
Jibeh and Gonolon is Kadazan

Didn't I mentioned about long houses and highlands?
Obviously all you guys know is Malay vs Chinese.
I am Melanau btw,

Both the above is my actual classmates back in my school in Kuantan.
Those are their names and their surname

I have answered it countless time.
People in the same ethnicity shares something in common like space, food, tradition, language etc.
This is often the reason how they meet
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And how does how does tongkat policy based on race or tongkat policy based on needs makes a difference whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not?
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The key is, alway make the malay poor and in need of gov help. Can rule them forever
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And how does how does tongkat policy based on race or tongkat policy based on needs makes a difference whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not?
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read again post #209 and #219
I have given you examples of both

A real life example,

Akun is an Iban from the longhouse in Kapit,
we are all MARA students
Same with Jibeh.

Now Akun is an engineer in JKR in Kuching
and Jibeh went to the same engineering uni with me

We are all poor B40 and now we are all M40.

Let say we did not get the tongkat, in this case MARA schools and scholarships to Uni,
I certainly would become a nasi lemak seller and Akun would be a palm oil worker.
I used to live in a small 2 bedroom PPR house (Tongkat)
but now I have build my own 2 storey 6 bedroom house.

My question to you.
Does your wealth status declined or increased within your lifetime?

for example
do you went from a car to riding motorbike or
from living on the top of a shophouse to a condo?

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 10:04 PM)
read again post #209 and #219
I have given you examples of both

A real life example,

Akun is an Iban from the longhouse in Kapit,
we are all MARA students
Same with Jibeh.

Now Akun is an engineer in JKR in Kuching
and Jibeh went to the same engineering uni with me

We are all poor B40 and now we are all M40.

Let say we did not get the tongkat, in this case MARA schools and scholarships to Uni,
I certainly would become a nasi lemak seller and Akun would be a palm oil worker.
I used to live in a small 2 bedroom PPR house (Tongkat)
but now I have build my own 2 storey 6 bedroom house.

My question to you.
Does your wealth status declined or increased within your lifetime?

for example
do you went from a car to riding motorbike or
from living on the top of a shophouse to a condo?
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Not following the entire thread, but to re-phrase the question slightly. Would you think that MORE these people would have benefited if it was directed towards those without the resources.
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Not following the entire thread, but to re-phrase the question slightly. Would you think that MORE these people would have benefited if it was directed towards those without the resources.
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These people as in Bumiputera right?

What do you mean without resources?

Like money and discounts as resources?
and entrance to Uni as without resources?
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No, you did not answer anything. What has needs based or race based policy got to do with whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not?

And why do you think needs based tongkat means no MARA schools and scholarships to uni? You have comprehension issues or what?

And my wealth status is irrelevant to the discussion. Coz I do not qualify nor need any tongkat assistance. But I do know there are some ah chong or ah kau who are poor like beggars and they definitely need tongkat assistance. So how?
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No, you did not answer anything. What has needs based or race based policy got to do with whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not?

And why do you think needs based tongkat means no MARA schools and scholarships to uni? You have comprehension issues or what?

And my wealth status is irrelevant to the discussion. Coz I do not qualify nor need any tongkat assistance. But I do know there are some ah chong or ah kau who are poor like beggars and they definitely need tongkat assistance. So how?
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i believe that you having a hard time understanding English

Sekarang aku cuba cakap bahasa Melayu sebab kita semua boleh faham kan? Sebab apa bantuan kepada bumiputera perlu digunakan dalam satu kaum? kaum kat negara ni semua nya tinggal dalam kelompok masing masing. Masing masing ada struktur dan hierarki dalam masyarakat masing masing. Semua ada ketua masayarakat dan orang orang yang berpengaruh dalam memberi pendapat atau bantuan dalam apa saja bentuk. Sebab itu kalau Si Miskin Akun hanya ditolong oleh kerajaan, dia tidak mungkin mampu melangkah jauh disebabkan dia tiada bantuan dari dalam masayarakat dia sendiri. Sebab semua orang dalam masyarakat beliau adalah miskin. Kalau diberi bantuan kepada seluruh masyarakat yang miskin dan berada, ada kemungkianan yang berada akan membantu masyarakat dalam komuniti Si Miskin Akun dan secara langsung membantu menaikkan status keseluruhan masyarakat. Orang berada seperti Orang Kaya Ikau selalunya mempunyai kemampuan untuk mengambil pekerja untuk membayar gaji mereka. Kun faya kun, Walhal Orang Miskin Akun tidak mempunyai kemampuan ataupun kemahiran yang dimiliki oleh Orang Kaya Ikau. Golongan Fakir tidak mampu mengubah status masyarakatnya jika semua orang di dalam nya papa kedana. Hanya dengan memberi bantuan kepada semua golongan dalam satu masyarakat, mereka mampu membantu sama sendiri dalam mengubah status diri mereka. Dalam ertikata lain, dengan hanya membantu golongan miskin sahaja tidak akan dapat mengubah status dalam satu masyarakat. Golongan berada perlu dalam memberi kerjasama yang diperlukan dan ini tidak bermakna kaum berada tidak memerlukan bantuan.

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i believe that you having a hard time understanding English

Sekarang aku cuba cakap bahasa Melayu sebab kita semua boleh faham kan? Sebab apa bantuan kepada bumiputera perlu digunakan dalam satu kaum? kaum kat negara ni semua nya tinggal dalam kelompok masing masing. Masing masing ada struktur dan hierarki dalam masyarakat masing masing. Semua ada ketua masayarakat dan orang orang yang berpengaruh dalam memberi pendapat atau bantuan dalam apa saja bentuk. Sebab itu kalau Si Miskin Akun hanya ditolong oleh kerajaan, dia tidak mungkin mampu melangkah jauh disebabkan dia tiada bantuan dari dalam masayarakat dia sendiri. Sebab semua orang dalam masyarakat beliau adalah miskin. Kalau diberi bantuan kepada seluruh masyarakat yang miskin dan berada, ada kemungkianan yang berada akan membantu masyarakat dalam komuniti Si Miskin Akun dan secara langsung membantu menaikkan status keseluruhan masyarakat. Orang berada seperti Orang Kaya Ikau selalunya mempunyai kemampuan untuk mengambil pekerja untuk membayar gaji mereka. Kun faya kun, Walhal Orang Miskin Akun tidak mempunyai kemampuan ataupun kemahiran yang dimiliki oleh Orang Kaya Ikau. Golongan Fakir tidak mampu mengubah status masyarakatnya jika semua orang di dalam nya papa kedana. Hanya dengan memberi bantuan kepada semua golongan dalam satu masyarakat, mereka mampu membantu sama sendiri dalam mengubah status diri mereka. Dalam ertikata lain, dengan hanya membantu golongan miskin sahaja tidak akan dapat mengubah status dalam satu masyarakat. Golongan berada perlu dalam memberi kerjasama yang diperlukan dan ini tidak bermakna kaum berada tidak memerlukan bantuan.
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Wow, never realized we have a hardcore racist here. Needs based tongkat for every poor is not enough for you. It must be race based tongkat for everyone within the community irrespective poor or rich. Racial discrimination at its worst. You never think the rich don't need assistance and still can go and help the poor don't you?

How the fuck do you even call yourself a human? Please don't reply this thread anymore. Any further comments from you will be deleted. You disgust me.

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This thread is amusing.

Actually, the POLICY is not as important as in the INTENT and INTEGRITY of the people EXECUTING THE POLICY.

Even if the POLICY only helps BUMI and exclude all NONS, that's fine if, say 80% of this assistance is being given to the poor and needy BUMIs.

Unfortunately, if only 20% is given to the needy BUMIs... then for the next 100-200 years also, this assistance will never be enough. Because the bulk of the assistance is given the people of the right color that don't need it. Of course, some will argue that these people will form the pillar of the community and the wealth will trickle down. That's fine if it happens, but I think most of the times, the corrupt and wealthy will just grab the excess for themselves.





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QUOTE(agewisdom @ Nov 8 2020, 11:21 PM)
This thread is amusing.

Actually, the POLICY is not as important as in the INTENT and INTEGRITY of the people EXECUTING THE POLICY.

Even if the POLICY only helps BUMI and exclude all NONS, that's fine if, say 80% of this assistance is being given to the poor and needy BUMIs.

Unfortunately, if only 20% is given to the needy BUMIs... then for the next 100-200 years also, this assistance will never be enough. Because the bulk of the assistance is given the people of the right color that don't need it. Of course, some will argue that these people will form the pillar of the community and the wealth will trickle down. That's fine if it happens, but I think most of the times, the corrupt and wealthy will just grab the excess for themselves.
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unfortunately as you can see here, there are those who (either seriously naive or just part of those who stands to lose most if race based agenda is changed to needs based agenda) thinks there are no wealthy corrupts and all T20 are most helpful and ever willing to uplift their own community rolleyes.gif

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i believe that you having a hard time understanding English

Sekarang aku cuba cakap bahasa Melayu sebab kita semua boleh faham kan? Sebab apa bantuan kepada bumiputera perlu digunakan dalam satu kaum? kaum kat negara ni semua nya tinggal dalam kelompok masing masing. Masing masing ada struktur dan hierarki dalam masyarakat masing masing. Semua ada ketua masayarakat dan orang orang yang berpengaruh dalam memberi pendapat atau bantuan dalam apa saja bentuk. Sebab itu kalau Si Miskin Akun hanya ditolong oleh kerajaan, dia tidak mungkin mampu melangkah jauh disebabkan dia tiada bantuan dari dalam masayarakat dia sendiri. Sebab semua orang dalam masyarakat beliau adalah miskin. Kalau diberi bantuan kepada seluruh masyarakat yang miskin dan berada, ada kemungkianan yang berada akan membantu masyarakat dalam komuniti Si Miskin Akun dan secara langsung membantu menaikkan status keseluruhan masyarakat. Orang berada seperti Orang Kaya Ikau selalunya mempunyai kemampuan untuk mengambil pekerja untuk membayar gaji mereka. Kun faya kun, Walhal Orang Miskin Akun tidak mempunyai kemampuan ataupun kemahiran yang dimiliki oleh Orang Kaya Ikau. Golongan Fakir tidak mampu mengubah status masyarakatnya jika semua orang di dalam nya papa kedana. Hanya dengan memberi bantuan kepada semua golongan dalam satu masyarakat, mereka mampu membantu sama sendiri dalam mengubah status diri mereka. Dalam ertikata lain, dengan hanya membantu golongan miskin sahaja tidak akan dapat mengubah status dalam satu masyarakat. Golongan berada perlu dalam memberi kerjasama yang diperlukan dan ini tidak bermakna kaum berada tidak memerlukan bantuan.
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you're assuming ideal scenario
but most humans are greedy, wealth is never enough
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You threatening to delete comments, you lose. biggrin.gif tongue.gif  rclxms.gif

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You know what, even if I delete all comments in this thread, I still wont delete yours, they're most entertaining. Please continue replying and bumping my thread rclxm9.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 11:27 PM)
unfortunately as you can see here, there are those who (either seriously naive or just part of those who stands to lose most if race based agenda is changed to needs based agenda) thinks there are no wealthy corrupts and all T20 are most helpful and ever willing to uplift their own community
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Whilst I agree with you, probably this is a cultural issue. You won't win with logic or arguments. It's the same as arguing as someone on religion. In the end, the last bastion will be FAITH.

They have FAITH in their leaders, you can't argue with that.

Honestly speaking though, somehow it's our bad karma we had Atuk as our leader. I think almost ANYONE else would have done less damage to our Country than him. And to have him come back a second time, we're doubly cursed. puke.gif
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Lolz, chemmol dog bark/tokok oni. Never bite biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 03:06 PM)
Really kaa? Why didn't PH change it when THEY WERE IN POWER?  biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif
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Mamaktir said no.
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QUOTE(crador @ Nov 8 2020, 11:37 PM)
Mamaktir said no.
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That time DAP + PKR + Amanah cannot kick Madei out in parliament? Why no vote no confident that time? hmm.gif
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Lolz, chemmol dog bark/tokok oni. Never bite biggrin.gif

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why would I need to bite when its so much more fun to press the right buttons and see cheap macai whores who sells their dignity like you goes apeshit? icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 8 2020, 11:42 PM)
That time DAP + PKR + Amanah cannot kick Madei out in parliament? Why no vote no confident that time? hmm.gif
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dude, you got alzheimer or wat? why so bengap have to keep reminding wan?

QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 03:11 PM)
PH didn't change it, so? Who is in power now? Why PN cannot change now, only last time PH can? So you can continue abusing it and blame "why PH dun change it when they were in power"?

You sohai enuff la, dun think other oso sohai like you can or not?
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 03:06 PM)
Really kaa? Why didn't PH change it when THEY WERE IN POWER?  biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif
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you're asking just for the sake of asking?
you know the answer la, it's political suicide to change it
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QUOTE(Killy @ Nov 8 2020, 11:50 PM)
you're asking just for the sake of asking?
you know the answer la, it's political suicide to change it
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Huh how so? That time pipu really hate Umno because of 1mdb/Bijan right? hmm.gif
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Huh how so? That time pipu really hate Umno because of 1mdb/Bijan right?  hmm.gif
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same answer, you're asking just for the sake of it lol
stop pretending you don't know ler
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QUOTE(#2kerja @ Nov 7 2020, 02:51 PM)
Jangan persoal.

Majority politicians are malay.

Majority rakyat also malay.

Nothing much can do.

Keep working hard .
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No seriously. Pretty sure Umno oso don't wanna risk GE that time if PH really tries to kick Madei out. Too soon + Bijan court case sentimen. hmm.gif
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shit. forgot to tag you Killy tongue.gif
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shit. forgot to tag you Killy tongue.gif
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err.. my answer was to your first comment that I quoted
about changing NEP
never heard of them wanting to kick Madey out, but even if they did, nobody would be that brave to try and remove NEP lol
the majority are fiercely protective of their "rights"
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QUOTE(agewisdom @ Nov 8 2020, 11:32 PM)
Whilst I agree with you, probably this is a cultural issue. You won't win with logic or arguments. It's the same as arguing as someone on religion. In the end, the last bastion will be FAITH.

They have FAITH in their leaders, you can't argue with that.

Honestly speaking though, somehow it's our bad karma we had Atuk as our leader. I think almost ANYONE else would have done less damage to our Country than him. And to have him come back a second time, we're doubly cursed.  puke.gif
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I think another person is overlooked, Taib Mahmud. Based on some people's fantasy that the rich of the community will help the poor, the melanau's (Taib Mahmud is melanau) should hv been the richest community in Sarawak if not the whole nation.

Such is faith and cultural mindset. Imagine giving more tongkat to him because race based affirmative action must give to all in the community irrespective rich or poor doh.gif

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QUOTE(Killy @ Nov 9 2020, 12:13 AM)
err.. my answer was to your first comment that I quoted
about changing NEP
never heard of them wanting to kick Madey out, but even if they did, nobody would be that brave to try and remove NEP lol
the majority are fiercely protective of their "rights"
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QUOTE(crador @ Nov 8 2020, 11:37 PM)
Mamaktir said no.
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I belip him hence the question why PH that time didn't try vote no confident in parliament against Madei.

On abolishing NEP, there's A WAY to achieve that. Like introducing NEW POLICY SIMILAR to NEP but with a couple "TWIST"in it. You can guess what did I mean by "TWIST" brows.gif
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Key point is, IT NEED TO BE EXECUTE GRADUALLY. If not of course there will be RIOT. biggrin.gif
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Key point is, IT NEED TO BE EXECUTE GRADUALLY. If not of course there will be RIOT. biggrin.gif
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Why you sing different tune now? You got the wrong script or wat?

QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 02:52 PM)
inb4 :u tak sukak u ..... biggrin.gif

The reality is, this policy WILL NEVER GO AWAY. Need 2/3 and Agong permission to abolish it. So stop bitching and deal with it. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 9 2020, 12:23 AM)
I think another person is overlooked, Taib Mahmud. Based on some people's fantasy that the rich of the community will help the poor, the melanau's (Taib Mahmud is melanau) should hv been the richest community in Sarawak if not the whole nation.

Such is faith and cultural mindset. Imagine giving more tongkat to him because race based affirmative action must give to all in the community irrespective rich or poor  doh.gif
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Like I said, it's based on FAITH. Despite Sarawak Report on him, he got elevated to Yang Di-Pertua and GPS still stands strong.

We aren't living in those rural areas in Sarawak, so we can't really understand their lives and culture. Imagine, it's less than 60 years ago that Sarawak joined Malaysia. Back then, it was under James Brooke and the British afterwards. That's not a lot of time for development to take place. Only 2 generations, at best.

Of course, hopefully there will be more people that become more skeptical and aware but that'll take time. Or maybe never... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 02:46 PM)
I've said it before:
Prove me wrong, change my mind
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B40 is willing to get the crumb while the rich and cronies take most of the benefits as long as "asal org kite"
Prove me wrong.
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Also, the critical part of this plan is NEVER FORCE THIS IDEA through pipu throat. They don't like that and will likely to fight back fiercely. biggrin.gif
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Key point is, IT NEED TO BE EXECUTE GRADUALLY. If not of course there will be RIOT. biggrin.gif
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It won't be dismantled. It's already entrenched.
It's just like the Opium problem in China that continued on from 1800s up till 1950s. It took a full blown Communist revolution to stamp it out.

We can only hope it's implementation can be improved, that's all.
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QUOTE(agewisdom @ Nov 9 2020, 12:36 AM)
It won't be dismantled. It's already entrenched.
It's just like the Opium problem in China that continued on from 1800s up till 1950s. It took a full blown Communist revolution to stamp it out.

We can only hope it's implementation can be improved, that's all.
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Unlike the opium problem, this can be done. Remember people used to think BN will never falls until 2018. That shows pipu want changes. But don't poke them to hard. If they feels pain they will fight back like what happen now. biggrin.gif
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my pa say
malaysia is going the way of filipinos
even with a strong colonial legacy system
being corroded by tribal mindset
& a cultural system tht overides any national cohesion
its already too late to reverse this tide
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Unlike the opium problem, this can be done. Remember people used to think BN will never falls until 2018. That shows pipu want changes. But don't poke them to hard. If they feels pain they will fight back like what happen now. biggrin.gif
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Glad you're still optimistic about it. I ain't. That way I won't be disappointed with the sh*tshow that happens in Malaysia anymore.
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my pa say
malaysia is going the way of filipinos
even with a strong colonial legacy system
being corroded by tribal mindset
& a cultural system tht overides any national cohesion
its already too late to reverse this tide
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Your pa is a wise man. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 9 2020, 12:24 AM)
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I belip him hence the question why PH that time didn't try vote no confident in parliament against Madei.

On abolishing NEP, there's A WAY to achieve that. Like introducing NEW POLICY SIMILAR to NEP but with a couple "TWIST"in it. You can guess what did I mean by "TWIST"  brows.gif
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PH tried. Not by vote no confident, but asked him to full fill his promise to step down and pass the PMship to bang Nuar. What happened next is history.

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it here to stay... article 153
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tongkat 60years still poor ...so mean what ?
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What if...
What if this thing is just to legalize what's already happening?
U know...
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BUMI is not Malay only.

Ts bodo mcm taktau
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QUOTE(brapa? @ Nov 9 2020, 12:43 AM)
my pa say
malaysia is going the way of filipinos
even with a strong colonial legacy system
being corroded by tribal mindset
& a cultural system tht overides any national cohesion
its already too late to reverse this tide
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Thats why la

They say bumi this..bumi that

The real issue is nepotism and cronism

In other words..helang vs pipit...regardless of race

MY politicians kuat songlap
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ini bumi siapo?

bumi keluarga suckbri tau?
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The rich own the land, not those poor but eligible.

The rich gets what they want by playing with race and religion cards that fool the poor.

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the rich also can die one fine day too
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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Nov 7 2020, 02:55 PM)
JANJI BUKAN DAPIG LGE
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It has been since the creation of NEP.
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Kek I think many dun realize, it benefits only cronies and left breadcrumbs for pipit


Kekw at least meleies pipit get breadcrumbs, others got wut ?
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Its a loophole. Put the “keyword” in to make the majority feel its an inclusive policy but in reality they wont benefit from it.

Its like everyone fighting for their life in squid game, that old uncle also seen like part of them. But in actual fact the whole game is design around him to benefit him.
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poor are left to rot, rich keep songlap country's coffer with the keyword

it's not sustainable, and it's a matter of time the ship sink

when that time comes the poor have themselves to thank for
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14 page of assumption & opinion but no fakta?

Here let me tongkat Abit

T1 wealth % of various country
user posted image

T10 wealth % of various country
user posted image

Income growth of different groups
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https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2019...se-of-malaysia/

So scientifically speaking it's just 14 page all sembang kosong from an uneducated closet racist no fakta tin kosong pipu.

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QUOTE(phantomash @ Oct 31 2021, 03:35 PM)
poor are left to rot, rich keep songlap country's coffer with the keyword

it's not sustainable, and it's a matter of time the ship sink

when that time comes the poor have themselves to thank for
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poor will remain poor regardless of how much you give them since they are poor because of laziness or not capable. either of it, the situation won't change. The fish is just to please a certain group for votes.
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heck they cant even decide their own way of life....have to control by some fake alim ppl....no freedom of life and u wanna ask them about how NEP bumi development agenda works????

are u serious ??
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 03:39 PM)
14 page of assumption & opinion but no fakta?

Here let me tongkat Abit

T1 wealth % of various country
user posted image

T10 wealth % of various country
user posted image

Income growth of different groups
user posted image

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2019...se-of-malaysia/

So scientifically speaking it's just 14 page all sembang kosong from an uneducated closet racist no fakta tin kosong pipu.
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This is official wealth

Unofficial wealth?

You can't compare us with US UK due to their very high transparency and low corruption standards.

Just like PRC, our mega rich keep getting richer and richer, but the real mega wealthy is not on any Forbes list but behind the curtain.

Officially our richest local (discounting Robert Kuok who isn't even Malaysian resident) is Syed albar or Ananda Krishnan. Just like officially in PRC it's Jack Ma

But the really wealthy like Xjp, Taib, Bijan, Tengku adnan that is all making their obscene wealth via corruption isn't reflected in any statistics even though they are 10X richer than the tycoons.
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QUOTE(DJJD @ Oct 31 2021, 04:06 PM)
This is official wealth

Unofficial wealth?

You can't compare us with US UK due to their very high transparency and low corruption standards.

Just like PRC, our mega rich keep getting richer and richer, but the real mega wealthy is not on any Forbes list but behind the curtain.

Officially our richest local (discounting Robert Kuok who isn't even Malaysian resident) is Syed albar or Ananda Krishnan. Just like officially in PRC it's Jack Ma

But the really wealthy like Xjp, Taib, Bijan, Tengku adnan that is all making their obscene wealth via corruption isn't reflected in any statistics even though they are 10X richer than the tycoons.
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If you look carefully The writer kinda do comparison to china as well.


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If you look carefully The writer kinda do comparison to china as well.
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If YOU look carefully our "official" pattern is the same conjob as China where it looks like T1 and T10 not growing richer and wealth is being shared out but the reality is this is completely false

Look around u, u really believe B40 life is getting better and T10 T1 life is getting worse as what the author claims?

Even Malaysian government agrees B40 life is getting worse and worse
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 04:27 PM)
If you look carefully The writer kinda do comparison to china as well.
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very naive to only look at the official data.

a lot of the black money from songlap is not recorded.

offshore money is not recorded.

Mahathir being the richest man in Malaysia is not recorded.

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QUOTE(DJJD @ Oct 31 2021, 04:54 PM)
If YOU look carefully our "official" pattern is the same conjob as China where it looks like T1 and T10 not growing richer and wealth is being shared out but the reality is this is completely false

Look around u, u really believe B40 life is getting better and T10 T1 life is getting worse as what the author claims?

Even Malaysian government agrees B40 life is getting worse and worse
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Who die and make you the representative of 32 million Malaysians?
Please keep your personal opinion as your own unless you have data to backed your claim up.

The writer only wrote in term of wealth distribution. Also do note the writer are mamakthir economic advisor & this stats are build for PH consumption & decision making if you want to play the tinfoils hat route. In no point that the writer ever claim everyone is now happy & sing kimbayaa.

Inflationary issues due to 2 decades of money printer go brrrrrrrr because of budget deficits as a result of low taxation per GDP at the same time high social services & high household debt level is a different issues.

As for the Chinese, well statistics wise at the time of writing, 30% of Chinese GDP are made up of real estate while 70% of average Chinese wealth is in real estate. And at the time people are busy pumping the bubble up.

user posted image

If not mistaken only 5% of average Chinese wealth are in stock exchange. Of course declining population & NO immigration do help push the average salaries up. Infact in some province if not mistaken they get higher average salary then us despite lower GDP per Capita. One can see that as well in Johor, despite lower GDP per Capita then Penang & Melaka, they got higher average salary.

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QUOTE(phantomash @ Oct 31 2021, 05:14 PM)
very naive to only look at the official data.

a lot of the black money from songlap is not recorded.

offshore money is not recorded.

Mahathir being the richest man in Malaysia is not recorded.

whistling.gif
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the study is meaningless without other data like debt level, public sectors expenditures and where did they all work at(public or private sector?). And black money activities were peaked at that time and everywhere had mini casino.

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 05:20 PM)
Who die and make you the representative of 32 million Malaysians?
Please keep your personal opinion as your own unless you have data to backed your claim up.

The writer only wrote in term of wealth  distribution. Also do note the writer are mamakthir economic advisor & this stats are build for PH consumption & decision making if you want to play the tinfoils hat route. In no point that the writer ever claim everyone is now happy & sing kimbayaa.

Inflationary issues due to 2 decades of money printer go brrrrrrrr  because of budget deficits as a result of low taxation per GDP at the same time high social services & high household debt level is a different issues.

As for the Chinese, well statistics wise at the time of writing, 30% of Chinese GDP are made up of real estate while 70% of average Chinese wealth is in real estate. And at the time people are busy pumping the bubble up. 

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If not mistaken only 5% of average Chinese wealth are in stock exchange. Of course declining population & NO immigration do help push the average salaries up. Infact in some province if not mistaken they get higher average salary then us despite lower GDP per Capita. One can see that as well in Johor, despite lower GDP per Capita then Penang & Melaka, they got higher average salary.
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MY research??

Hey wake up la dude

DOSM already telling u since 2016. U know, the official STATISTICS DEPARTMENT from gomen.
https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/7...n-a-rich-nation

Monthly average income before pandemic in 4 years increased just few hundred ringgit in B40 and now after pandemic back to below 2016 levels.

Guess who are B40? BUMI so clearly all the billions spent not helping them much innit

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MY research??

Hey wake up la dude

DOSM already telling u since 2016. U know, the official STATISTICS DEPARTMENT from gomen.
https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/7...n-a-rich-nation

Monthly average income before pandemic in 4 years increased just few hundred ringgit in B40 and now after pandemic back to below 2016 levels.

Guess who are B40? BUMI so clearly all the billions spent not helping them much innit
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Lol mr smartpants compared income during Normal periods & during a pandemic.

Off course richfag win during a recession, all gomen all over the world print money & most of it end up in the stock exchange creating a speculative bubble. Guess which golongan have much of it wealth in stock exchange but the downside of printing money is inflation. Guess which segment terjejas due to inflation?

Last time during subprime crisis, richfag see 300% increase in wealth.
Even if we don't print, the fact we are export dependent country @ 77% of GDP mean we get fucked when US & EU print money.


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Talk so much but a simple policy change that take out “bumiputera” and replace strictly with b40 regardless of race would have solve most of the perceived unfairness.

In the end you know i know why they dont want it to be income bracket based but race based.

No one ever kecoh income tax is or corporate tax is unfair 🤫
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Whenever darth5zaft come in, sure that sohai will derail the subject to timbuktu. Eh hallo, ppl talking about bumi development agenda is a scam, you go n talk about GDP and income inequality for wat la? Mau terjemah kat BM baru paham ke apa? Baca tak paham, u dari SJK ka?

60 freaking years of affirmative policy. 2 generations (or even 3) and bumi, with their majority numbers, still cannot catch up with the minority races? You don't ask yourself where TF it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Nor question why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes?

I know you anti non-malays la with your one nation, one race, one culture crap, but ffs, you don't even care even your own one nation one race ppl are suffering?

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Whenever darth5zaft come in, sure that sohai will derail the subject to timbuktu. Eh hallo, ppl talking about bumi development agenda is a scam, you go n talk about GDP and income inequality for wat la? Mau terjemah kat BM baru paham ke apa? Baca tak paham, u dari SJK ka?

60 freaking years of affirmative policy. 2 generations (or even 3) and bumi, with their majority numbers, still cannot catch up with the minority races? You don't ask yourself where TF it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Nor question why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes?

I know you anti non-malays la with your one nation, one race, one culture crap, but ffs, you don't even care even your own one nation one race ppl are suffering?
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Ting tong tong tong.
Tin kosong sure bunyi lebih. Isi kosong

Insults banyak, spekulasi kuat, data tarak.

Data mana data?

Here let me tongkat u a bit🤣🤭

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 05:38 PM)
Lol mr smartpants compared income during Normal periods & during a pandemic.

Off course richfag win during a recession, all gomen all over the world print money & most of it end up in the stock exchange creating a speculative bubble. Guess which golongan have much of it wealth in stock exchange but the downside of printing money is inflation. Guess which segment terjejas due to inflation?

Last time during subprime crisis, richfag see 300% increase in wealth.
Even if we don't print, the fact we are export dependent country @ 77% of GDP mean we get fucked when US & EU print money.
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Kepala hotak kau

2016-2019 pandemic apa?

Got open the link or not?

Come add image so u dont konpius macam MP

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 06:07 PM)
Ting tong  tong tong.
Tin kosong sure bunyi lebih. Isi kosong

Insults banyak, spekulasi kuat, data tarak.

Data mana data?

Here let me tongkat u a bit🤣🤭

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Kau ni memang dah cacat akal going full retard ke apa? Your graphs showed exactly what I'm arguing about. 60 years of affirmative policy and bumis still can't catch up with non-bumi, and still lagging at the bottom 50%

Correct la my argument. Tak paham lagi? Atau otak kat lutut pun hilang sekali? So where TF did it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Nor question why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes?

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QUOTE
The emeritus professor of economics at University of New South Wales also heavily criticised Malaysia’s New Economic Policy (NEP) which favours the Bumiputera, blaming the preferential treatment for locking the country in the middle income trap.

“Make sure that everyone has good starting opportunities in life, is equipped with access to education. That is very important… I would concentrate on the young,” Kasper said after a lecture in INTI International College here.


Kasper, who once served as an adviser to Malaysia’s Finance Ministry, said that handouts are “the worst incentives” that can be given, as it discourage some people from working and so keep them poor.

Earlier in his lecture titled “Public choice and Prosperity”, Kasper warned against a government monopoly in the education system which could lead to administration of “lazy bureaucrats who are risk-averse”.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/201...stralian/829751

Even Australian academics agree that bumiputera makes Malay become lazy. Mahathir also stated, despite Chinese being discriminated, Chinese are more successful than Malay.

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“This is our culture. We do not know what hardship is, we only want things to be easy. I have tried to be an example, tried to teach, scolded, cried and even prayed. But I have failed. I have failed to achieve the most important thing – how to change the Malays. The Chinese in Malaysia have no special rights, they experience discrimination. But they are more successful than us.”
https://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/442699
https://www.malaysia-today.net/2018/09/10/m...ger-trust-them/

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Kau ni memang dah cacat akal going full retard ke apa? Your graphs showed exactly what I'm arguing about. 60 years of affirmative policy and bumis still can't catch up with non-bumi, and still lagging at the bottom 50%

Correct la my argument. Tak paham lagi? Atau otak kat lutut pun hilang sekali? So where TF did it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Nor question why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes?
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Kan dah kata bagi tongkat.
Hahahahahaha

Mudah keliru yer?
Besok boleh Amek borang masuk PAS
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QUOTE(Varezart @ Oct 31 2021, 07:10 PM)


Even Australian academics agree that bumiputera makes Malay become lazy. Mahathir also stated, despite Chinese being discriminated, Chinese are more successful than Malay.
https://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/442699
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Said Koon Yew Yin.
Hahahahahaha


Anyway mkini do usually put out these closet racist supremist article.
Quite a good bussiness model i might say.
Hey you racist supremist, pay me RM12 for the pleasure to jerk each other off in your own racism.
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Here more graph to make TS blood boils
Afterall I'm a gift that keep on giving

Basically TS baik hati One. He's a kuli that care much about the T1 & T10

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Try different source from MKini. Statement literally come from Mahathir.
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“This is our culture. We do not know what hardship is, we only want things to be easy. I have tried to be an example, tried to teach, scolded, cried and even prayed. But I have failed. I have failed to achieve the most important thing – how to change the Malays. The Chinese in Malaysia have no special rights, they experience discrimination. But they are more successful than us"

The world’s oldest prime minister said among the failings of the Malays is their unwillingness to work hard and having a lackadaisical attitude to their own responsibilities. According to the New Straits Times, Mahathir unleashed his frustration at the Malays – “We accuse others. We accuse the government, accuse other races. When we fail, they are at fault. We are never wrong.”
https://www.malaysia-today.net/2018/09/10/m...ger-trust-them/

Notice that any countries with Chinese it become successful. Taiwan, Singapore and now China also slowly become more powerful.

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Already 60 years of tongkat. How to just remove all now?
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Kan dah kata bagi tongkat.
Hahahahahaha

Mudah keliru yer?
Besok boleh Amek borang masuk PAS
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Lel confirm oledi, dah terencat akal sampai lutut punye otak pon hilang. Ppl talking about 60 years of tongkat yet still cannot catch up with nons, where has it gone wrong... yet you still talk about kena bagi tongkat. After 60 years of nep and darth5zaft is what we get LMAO laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Oct 31 2021, 07:56 PM)
Lel confirm oledi, dah terencat akal sampai lutut punye otak pon hilang. Ppl talking about 60 years of tongkat yet still cannot catch up with nons, where has it gone wrong... yet you still talk about kena bagi tongkat. After 60 years of nep and darth5zaft is what we get LMAO laugh.gif
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Fuhh dia punya supremacist.
Gred A gitew.

Everyday shout bangsa Malaysia One, but Instead of we all M40/B40 should stick together. He care more about the T1


At the end a racist kuli who banggalah his own yellow kind are tauke rich who songlap & be cronies while paying himself dirt & angry they are losing wealth %.




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Sedihnya tauke hilang duit.

Bodo punya kuli. Hahahahahaha
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 07:26 PM)
Here more graph to make TS blood boils
Afterall I'm a gift that keep on giving

Basically TS baik hati One. He's a kuli that care much about the T1 & T10

user posted image
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Lmao blood boil? It so funneh seeing you contradicting yourself laugh.gif

QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 06:07 PM)
Ting tong  tong tong.
Tin kosong sure bunyi lebih. Isi kosong

Insults banyak, spekulasi kuat, data tarak.

Data mana data?

Here let me tongkat u a bit🤣🤭

user posted image
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Kesian darth5zaft... wanna be racist bigoted piece of shit but even that oso failed retardedly BWAAHAHAHAHAAAA laugh.gif
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Tell those rural people who still uses rain water stored in tank donated by politicians during election. Too bad they will not have internet to even browse lowyat.
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QUOTE(Varezart @ Oct 31 2021, 07:31 PM)
Try different source from MKini. Statement literally come from Mahathir.

https://www.malaysia-today.net/2018/09/10/m...ger-trust-them/

Notice that any countries with Chinese it become successful. Taiwan, Singapore and now China also slowly become more powerful.
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bani said is bcoz chinese has superior knowledge, network and experience that oren don't have. chinese shud share all that with oren

then i ask, u think chinese has a secret chip they can plug into the baby's brains when they are born?

he didn't reply after that
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Fuhh dia punya supremacist.
Gred A gitew.

Everyday shout bangsa Malaysia One, but Instead of we all M40/B40 should stick together. He care more about the T1
At the end a racist kuli who banggalah his own yellow kind are tauke rich who songlap & be cronies while paying himself dirt & angry they are losing wealth %.
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Sedihnya tauke hilang duit.

Bodo punya kuli. Hahahahahaha
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Dudeeeeeee... thread talking about bumi agenda not reaching actual bumis, wtf you still derail to t1 m40 b whatever??? You want me to type in chinese baru understand what this tered about izzit??? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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LOL welcome to Malaya... The the policies are there to keep them rich for generations to come. Nothing about 'helping' the poor.

It's an open secret... whistling.gif
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Dudeeeeeee... thread talking about bumi agenda not reaching actual bumis, wtf you still derail to t1 m40 b whatever??? You want me to type in chinese baru understand what this tered about izzit??? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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The 25% make up 30% of M40 pun banggalah giler

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Betul betul percaya dia anak syurga.
Kikikikiki
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Oct 31 2021, 08:10 PM)
LOL welcome to Malaya... The the policies are there to keep them rich for generations to come. Nothing about 'helping' the poor.

It's an open secret...  whistling.gif
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Agree its an open secret but unfortunately not many bumi wanted to acknowledge it, sometimes I really wonder why. So much so some would rather insult their own intelligence with retarded derails than discuss about it. darth5zaft is a good example here... console.gif
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The 25% make up 30% of M40 pun banggalah giler

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Betul betul percaya dia anak syurga.
Kikikikiki
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Kesian retard, still incapable (or probably unwilling?) to comprehend what thread topic is about... console.gif
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same goes to others forever and ever not gonna acknowledge them for being "hardworking" or "smart"....bcoz its given
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Kesian retard, still incapable (or probably unwilling?) to comprehend what thread topic is about...  console.gif
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Yes the bebenang is all about bigwolf trying hard to sell Malay makan Malay concept without any proof & data knowing fully well it would attract closet racist and sure enough Afterwards 14 page of closet racist fapping each other up.


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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Oct 31 2021, 08:47 PM)
Kesian retard, still incapable (or probably unwilling?) to comprehend what thread topic is about...  console.gif
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U need to realize his job is literally to move all focus from politicians songlap and focus the blame on the nons.
That’s why u data in front of him also he will buat bodoh and “kikiki”.
This kind of rubbish is the worst kind of rubbish. The type that want to benefit from sowing hatred and lies for a few measly ringgit of crumbs from his masters.
Like a cockcroach and mosquito. No use in life wan.
I can only hope one day he can look at himself in the mirror and strive to be better. God give him brain but he use it like that. This kind of cockroach he die tomorrow no one will remember him.


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janji scammed by melayu,.. still melayu untung,..
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 08:58 PM)
Yes the bebenang is all about bigwolf trying hard to sell Malay makan Malay concept without any proof & data knowing fully well it would attract closet racist and sure enough Afterwards 14 page of closet racist fapping each other up.
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Kesian bodo sohai... still incapable to understand his chart proves my argument is correct. Bumi T1 & T10 (so called rich and connected bumis) so much growth while M40 & B50 eat crumbs. I mean, come on la... wanna derail argument oso can make a better job can or not? Or is that the limit of your intelligence?

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Kesian bodo sohai... still incapable to understand his chart proves my argument is correct. Bumi T1 & T10 (so called rich and connected bumis) so much growth while M40 & B50 eat crumbs. I mean, come on la... wanna derail argument oso can make a better job can or not? Or is that the limit of your intelligence?

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Kesian

Too much of a supremist.
Still cannot accept the fact that overall the T1 & T10 % of wealth are decreasing.

T1
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T10
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So much for 16 page of closet racist jerking each other off then.
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Kesian

Too much of a supremist.
Still cannot accept the fact that overall the T1 & T10 % of wealth are decreasing.

T1
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T10
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So much for 16 page of closet racist jerking each other off then.
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Still spamming the same irrelevant out of topic charts? I must have pressed some correct button to see so much apeshit from darth5zaft thumbup.gif

Malas to entertain, nah, I give back the same reply to you:
QUOTE(bigwolf @ Oct 31 2021, 05:55 PM)
Whenever darth5zaft come in, sure that sohai will derail the subject to timbuktu. Eh hallo, ppl talking about bumi development agenda is a scam, you go n talk about GDP and income inequality for wat la? Mau terjemah kat BM baru paham ke apa? Baca tak paham, u dari SJK ka?

60 freaking years of affirmative policy. 2 generations (or even 3) and bumi, with their majority numbers, still cannot catch up with the minority races? You don't ask yourself where TF it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Nor question why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes?

I know you anti non-malays la with your one nation, one race, one culture crap, but ffs, you don't even care even your own one nation one race ppl are suffering?
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What next? Gonna spam the decomposition of bottom 50% income shares next? cool2.gif

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Still spamming the same irrelevant out of topic charts? I must have pressed some correct button to see so much apeshit from darth5zaft  thumbup.gif

Malas to entertain, nah, I give back the same reply to you:

What next? Gonna spam the decomposition of bottom 50% income shares next?  cool2.gif
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60 freaking years of affirmative policy. 2 generations (or even 3) and bumi, with their majority numbers, still cannot catch up with the minority races?




Kesian.

ISK isk ISK.

Supremacist at his finest.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 09:33 PM)
Kesian

Too much of a supremist.
Still cannot accept the fact that overall the T1 & T10 % of wealth are decreasing.

So much for 16 page of closet racist jerking each other off then.
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Of course the % will drop since your population is growing 3 fold than the rest and most taxes are spent on them with the printing of more money. Yes your income has increased but you only keep it for spending. Whereas the T1's businesses can generate income that lasts for multiple decades. And top 50 richest that control the private sectors, more than 90% is not your people. It is not healthy at all.
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Of course the % will drop since your population is growing 3 fold than the rest and most taxes are spent on them with the printing of more money. Yes your income has increased but you only keep it for spending.



Kesian

Can only people by skin color only & not as individuals


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Whereas the T1's businesses can generate income that lasts for multiple decades. And top 50 richest that control the private sectors, more than 90% is not your people. It is not healthy at all.
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Sure. Let's purge them more & be like France.😉
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Kesian.

ISK isk ISK.

Supremacist at his finest.
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Aiks, no more spamming the same 4 charts? Now you aware your stupidity oledi izzit? Ok la, considered got some hope lah liddat, and not total basket case rclxms.gif

So where TF did it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes? I know you anti non-malays la with your one nation, one race, one culture crap, but ffs, you don't even care even your own one nation one race ppl are suffering?

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 09:51 PM)
Kesian

Can only people by skin color only & not as individuals
Sure. Let's purge them more & be like France.😉
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https://www.forbes.com/malaysia-billionaire...st/#tab:overall

When the top 50 richest, 40% consists of your people, things will start to turn drastically and they will start to vote for a good government. Because as your businesses grow, you will hire most of your people and more people will not be dependent on civil service jobs only and you definitely want good economic policies to be implemented. I hope that day will arrive one day. Who knows one day you may develop an international nasi lemak brand with billions of revenue?

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Aiks, no more spamming the same 3 charts? Now you aware your stupidity oledi izzit? Ok la, considered got some hope lah liddat, and not total basket case  rclxms.gif

So where TF did it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes? I know you anti non-malays la with your one nation, one race, one culture crap, but ffs, you don't even care even your own one nation one race ppl are suffering?
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kena brainwash kat sekolah thinking he is genetically han



Die die Don't Wanna be Malaysian.
Patutlah nak terus ada SJKC. Nak terus jadi Han Ler tu. X mau jadi Malaysian. Jerit jerit bangsa Malaysia, Malaysian Malaysia. Then when people say sure join in. Terjerit jerit x mau.


Kikikikiki.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 10:00 PM)
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kena brainwash kat sekolah thinking he is genetically han



Die die Don't Wanna be Malaysian.
Patutlah nak terus ada SJKC. Nak terus jadi Han Ler tu. X mau jadi Malaysian. Jerit jerit bangsa Malaysia, Malaysian Malaysia. Then when people say sure join in. Terjerit jerit x mau.
Kikikikiki.
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Kesian can see the racist sohai desperately avoiding and jumping all over the place biggrin.gif

Not talking about han or join whatever. You dah start bodo again tak reti thread topic again? So where TF did it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes? I know you anti non-malays la with your one nation, one race, one culture crap, but ffs, you don't even care even your own one nation one race ppl are suffering?

You gonna keep jumping all over the place again to avoid answering?

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This post has been deleted by bigwolf because: Typical darth5zaft shit. Please keep to topic instead of shitstirring irrelevant r&r. Ownself shake the tree and then blame angin yang bertiup. Go fuck yourself :yawn:

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Oct 31 2021, 10:03 PM)
Kesian can see the racist sohai desperately avoiding and jumping all over the place biggrin.gif

Not talking about han or join whatever. You dah start bodo again tak reti thread topic again? So where TF did it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes? I know you anti non-malays la with your one nation, one race, one culture crap, but ffs, you don't even care even your own one nation one race ppl are suffering?

You gonna keep jumping all over the place again to avoid answering?
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Lol bigwolf pull his ultimate end move.


Repeat himself like an idiots to win internet argument by making sure himself get the final says.

Sure why not.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 31 2021, 10:10 PM)
Lol bigwolf pull his ultimate end move.
Repeat himself like an idiots to win internet argument by making sure himself get the final says.

Sure why not.
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But why do you keep avoiding and jumping all over the place again and again and again hoping to derail the thread? No balls to answer or too stupid to comprehend the question? Read again properly.

60 years of affirmative policy but bumi still need assistance, so where TF did it gone wrong? Or was it abused and channeled away to the elite n connected bumis? Why people like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth never appeared in Forbes? I know you anti non-malays la with your one nation, one race, one culture crap, but ffs, you don't even care even your own one nation one race ppl are suffering?

End move or whatever, but damn its fun to see ppl like darth5zaft menggelupur macam cacing kepanasan jumping all over the place when kena tanya with soalan susah icon_idea.gif

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dont blame helang bcoz they are smart and opportunist...they are being realistic love money > anything

only u s2pid believe in fake ppl that control your way of life....60yrs of gift also u cant take much..blame who ??
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Notice that the bottom 50% among the three races are about the same while there are huge difference for top 1%? Not to mention this figure does not include hidden wealth. If it's not because of The Wall Street Journal, Malaysia probably wouldn't discover about 1MDB case by now.

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kek ts
the trooper alrdy win by having u wasting time on him
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Pancing undi. Say will give to 10 poor people. But those money got cut from many layer. In the end, nothing reach to them
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kek ts
the trooper alrdy win by having u wasting time on him
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You never realize the great service he did by keep bumping my thread? icon_idea.gif

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well if u aiming for that then its win win for both kek


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But poor malays support them. Means it's a policy they support. Policy to enrich the cronies
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well if u aiming for that then its win win for both kek
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Its kinda fun weekend game, bitchslapping that racist shitstirring cunt to your hearts content yet getting him to keep bumping your thread at the same time. You should try it sometimes thumbup.gif
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I already tau long time ago. But don't think many others tau
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The poor b40 thinks they will one day become t20 so they keep on voting for bumi policies.

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Guys, you reckon Darthzaft sits in b40, m40 or t20?
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Oct 31 2021, 08:45 PM)
Agree its an open secret but unfortunately not many bumi wanted to acknowledge it, sometimes I really wonder why. So much so some would rather insult their own intelligence with retarded derails than discuss about it. darth5zaft is a good example here...  console.gif
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They've been brain washed since the day they were born. whistling.gif
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U need to realize his job is literally to move all focus from politicians songlap and focus the blame on the nons.
That’s why u data in front of him also he will buat bodoh and “kikiki”.
This kind of rubbish is the worst kind of rubbish. The type that want to benefit from sowing hatred and lies for a few measly ringgit of crumbs from his masters.
Like a cockcroach and mosquito. No use in life wan.
I can only hope one day he can look at himself in the mirror and strive to be better. God give him brain but he use it like that. This kind of cockroach he die tomorrow no one will remember him.
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QUOTE(swks26 @ Nov 1 2021, 09:38 AM)
Guys, you reckon Darthzaft sits in b40, m40 or t20?
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m40. and very syukur he's there.

if b40, will be very pathetic.

t20 - dun think they will waste time here.
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Good job Sherlock, as if people don’t know Water is wet.

Problem is how do you make sheeps realise water is wet?
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B40 tak datang sini
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Good job Sherlock, as if people don’t know Water is wet.

Problem is how do you make sheeps realise water is wet?
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Agree its an open secret but unfortunately not many bumi wanted to acknowledge it, sometimes I really wonder why. So much so some would rather insult their own intelligence with retarded derails than discuss about it. darth5zaft is a good example here...  console.gif
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B40 because he thinks like one.

Only an idiot like him (and many others) would conclude Chinese are rich by saying Top 50 richest Malaysians are dominated by Chinese.

I can similarly show 50 poorest who are Chinese who have negative values in their worth to be the Top 50 poorest Malaysians too. Does that too imply Chinese are poorest in Malaysia as well?
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QUOTE(trojandude @ Nov 2 2021, 02:21 PM)
B40 because he thinks like one.

Only an idiot like him (and many others) would conclude Chinese are rich by saying Top 50 richest Malaysians are dominated by Chinese.

I can similarly show 50 poorest who are Chinese who have negative values in their worth to be the Top 50 poorest Malaysians too. Does that too imply Chinese are poorest in Malaysia as well?
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Top 50 richest is bollocks anyway because it doesn’t include the likes of Taib and Daim who are by most accounts the true richest people in Malaysia. Trying to blame the nons for the problems in Malaysia is like blaming the chefs on the Titanic for sinking it.
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dont need to raise here....here all /k regardless race majority is t20.
mana ada b40 tau guna lolyat...kek
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QUOTE(mitun @ Nov 2 2021, 02:26 PM)
Top 50 richest is bollocks anyway because it doesn’t include the likes of Taib and Daim who are by most accounts the true richest people in Malaysia. Trying to blame the nons for the problems in Malaysia is like blaming the chefs on the Titanic for sinking it.
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I've said it countless of times - there's a lot of hidden wealth among the Malays and I have no idea why many oren kitos don't wanna admit it.

The late Jarjis Jamaluddin is the best example. His wealth would have placed him in Top 50 easily.

A bunch of Sultans if not all of them would be there too. There are Malays and they are Malaysians. So they qualify every criteria to be listed. Of course their wealth isn't publicly available as it's very much kept private, just like public did not know how rich JJ was until he died and his wealth was disclosed to the court.

But honestly, we don't even have to go Top 50 or Top 200. When was the last time people actually drove around Bukit Damansara? About half of the houses there are literally Malays now.

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Top 50 richest is bollocks anyway because it doesn’t include the likes of Taib and Daim who are by most accounts the true richest people in Malaysia. Trying to blame the nons for the problems in Malaysia is like blaming the chefs on the Titanic for sinking it.
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Also, notice those who did that tends not to answer why ppl like jamaluddin jarjis with his 2 billion wealth, or bijan with 1 billion in cash n jewelries lying around in his condo, were never listed in Forbes hmm.gif

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This is also the biggest example why Bumis aren't poor. I don't use meaningless statistics like top 10 or top 50 because that's like what 0.0001% of the population?

Literally look at the median salary of top 20% bumis and top 20% chinese. Do you see significant difference? This already shows the upper 20% bumiputeras earn just as much as the upper 20% chinese.

Similarly, look at M40 and B40.

Let's even ignore Chinese. Why do oren kitos always use Chinese apparent richness to justify their racist policies? What about the Indians? Are Indians rich now too? I think Indians are clearly got the worst end of the stick. Now what shit excuse are you gonna use?

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This is also the biggest example why Bumis aren't poor. I don't use meaningless statistics like top 10 or top 50 because that's like what 0.0001% of the population?

Literally look at the median salary of top 20% bumis and top 20% chinese. Do you see significant difference? This already shows the upper 20% bumiputeras earn just as much as the upper 20% chinese.

Similarly, look at M40 and B40.

Let's even ignore Chinese. Why do oren kitos always use Chinese apparent richness to justify their racist policies? What about the Indians? Are Indians rich now too? I think Indians are clearly got the worst end of the stick. Now what shit excuse are you gonna use?

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when the numbers shows more melei rich, they will say nah NEP works see we told you our plan is good one~~ THEN WHAT? kick all cina and indian out of malaysia?
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What if we complain the 51% bumi to United Nations Human Rights? Their email is CP@ohchr.org

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Human Rights Council Complaint Procedure
https://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/hrc/compl...edureindex.aspx
https://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/hrc/compl.../pages/faq.aspx

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QUOTE(mitun @ Nov 2 2021, 03:26 PM)
Top 50 richest is bollocks anyway because it doesn’t include the likes of Taib and Daim who are by most accounts the true richest people in Malaysia. Trying to blame the nons for the problems in Malaysia is like blaming the chefs on the Titanic for sinking it.
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The nons did the dirty work for them, both got rich..but bumis benefit more
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Like others have pointed out, it should be b40 development agenda.
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Bumi development is to fill the coffer of largest bumi party. Years duit sangkut of course pressure from grassroots kaw2. If get nothing then all jump to whoever can gip them contract and shit.
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QUOTE(trojandude @ Nov 2 2021, 02:31 PM)
I've said it countless of times - there's a lot of hidden wealth among the Malays and I have no idea why many oren kitos don't wanna admit it.

The late Jarjis Jamaluddin is the best example. His wealth would have placed him in Top 50 easily.

A bunch of Sultans if not all of them would be there too. There are Malays and they are Malaysians. So they qualify every criteria to be listed. Of course their wealth isn't publicly available as it's very much kept private, just like public did not know how rich JJ was until he died and his wealth was disclosed to the court.

But honestly, we don't even have to go Top 50 or Top 200. When was the last time people actually drove around Bukit Damansara? About half of the houses there are literally Malays now.
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the problem is not how much hidden wealth they have. top 50 is important because they controlled all the legit businesses in private sectors. you don't see rich fags like mamak,bijan kunan to own any successful businesses. What they need to develop is businesses ownership. Or else 50 years later it will recycle the same discussion.

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