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post Nov 8 2020, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Nov 8 2020, 07:32 AM)
Bumi development is good for all.

Bumi get monetary assistance, sometimes directly like zakat or bantuan other times indirectly like job opportunity

Bumi then go shop to spend money

At shop operated by non-bumi, bumi got bumi-special price kena markup

in the end, non-bumi get to enjoice bumi money

As what happened to my neighbour who went to pasar and got chop RM20 while my wife got the same thing and paid RM10
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The fund allocated for bumi majoritygo to the rich bumis and only a small go to the poor bumis via zakat etc la. Those rich bumis mostly go and enjoice most of their money overseas or buying imported stuff la only the poor bumis will spend most of their money locally. So in the end even if you are one of those jibai racist sellers who have special price for bumi only get to profit from the crumbs la. (most sellers nowadays already sell same price regardless of race except for stupid racist ones)
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post Nov 8 2020, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 12:40 PM)
you used MALAY 3 times instead of using BUMIPUTERA in you counter argument.
The BUMI polices is not exclusive for the Malays only.

Answering your question above,
Who do you think the non Muslim Bumi (they are not all Christians or Catholics, some are pagan and atheist)
voted for in Sarawak for the last 50-60 years?
DAP? Who is vocal about bumi policies?

Sarawak is the stronghold of BN and they are quite unique in social demographics but they often stand united with the Federal government.
Sarawak is a fixed deposit for BN because they know their constitutional right is protected.

I have been to this one longhouse in deep Sarawak. The leader is pagan/atheist and also a political party leader of this one major ethnic.
This specific longhouse of 50 families have 22 degree holders, 3-5 post graduate holders.

In fact the nearest town sees more development in a decade than the one city being held by opposition nearby.
The small town have Rural UTC, government buildings that helps famers/entrepreneurs in between the town and longhouse.
Even the new highway passes through that town.
I have been living in that city for quite a bit and Opposition did nothing much in helping the poor economically there when I was there.

My point, if if was not for the Bumi policies on education, loans and housing, i doubt that the people in that longhouse will have anything higher than a SPM certificate
and they will be farmers and laborer for the rest of their lives.

I have many real life personal examples to share that involves non Malay Bumi
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U do know that the benefits sarawakian gets are mainly from the state govt and not federal right? Federal ones still mainly goes to Malay.

QUOTE(judas @ Nov 8 2020, 01:06 PM)
u my friend. are right.
where the money go? if they really genuine in help bumis, with those billions spent every year, i dont think bumi will be still driving grab or foodpand right?
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You need connections to get it. This applies to both BN/PN and PH times. Everytime this kinda grants are announced by the govt, the members of political parties gets first dibs. During BN era, everytime a new grant is announced, all those mid level macai in each Umno bahagian will have a gathering and discuss on getting the allocation and they usually would then submit it in a group and prepare the surat sokong an etc and submit it to the relevant ministry to get their applications fast tracked. The same happened in 2018-2019 when PH was in power, both PKR and PPBM mia members all day were just talking about getting this and that grant/funding.

QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 01:15 PM)
There is a difference. Thank you for correcting it. I already answered it initially.
What you are suggesting is we should be equal in distribution according to demographic
and the rich Bumi is exploiting the allocation of these poor Bumi?
A shorter answer:
A rich <insert race> will give back to it's own less fortunate kind because we are a self segregated society bounded by race and religion.

Example:

Middle Income Ahmad got good education because he got tongkat to University making him smart.
Middle Income Ahmad got tongkat in loans making him able to start his own business.
Middle Income Ahmad also got tongkat in housing making him saving his money more.
Middle Income Ahmad got rich in the span of 10 years, now people call him Rich Ahmad.

Now,
Rich Ahmad need to hire workers for his new project he got from tongkat.
Rich Ahmad hires Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan to help with the project.
Middle Income Abu and Middle Income Hassan hires Poor Ali, Poor Sufian, Poor Hafiz and Poor Mohd to work for them.

In 10 years time,
All the Middle Income becomes Rich and all the Poor becomes Middle Income.
Rich Ahmad is getting richer, don't forget that. We call him Mega Rich Ahmad now

So,
Mega Rich Ahmad now opens up another tongkat business producing lots of newly Rich guys and Middle Income guys
Now Rich Abu and Rich Hassan tongkat summore.

Now
The son of Mega Rich Ahmad wanna marry a Poor Syed daughter, his dad approves and financed a grand wedding
Mega Rich Ahmad hires Moderate Income Hussein as caterer, Middle Income Halimah as Mak Andam, Rich Azman as Event Planner.
Now all the people working for Mega Rich Ahmad's son wedding hires a lot of Poor individuals for work.

And,
Family of Poor Syed also benefited from marrying the Mega Rich Ahmad by getting some work or small projects
Poor Syed's family boosted their statues to now as Middle Income Syed.

So in short, wealth trickles down to it's own society in a long run, this is why race based tongkat policy works.
It is a way to get of from the poverty cycle.

If Middle Income Ahmad does not have a university entry approved, his bank loans rejected, his housing quotas rejected
Abu, Hassan. Ali, Sufian, Hafiz, Hussein, Halimah, Azman and Syed would be stagnant economically.
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So tell me, if it’s working so well, why after 60+ years still got so many poor bumis and majority b40 consist of bumis?
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:10 PM)
#1
So you are saying Sarawakian Bumiputera does not benefits from the Bumi policy?
I am Melanau and I sure do does not having a problem with in in KL or Kuantan or Penang where I studied
It is a Federal constitution and it covers the whole Malaysia. Sarawak and Sabah is why Malaysia exist.

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Colonialism.

British favors the Chinese in business and education during its tenure.
Singapore and Hong Kong is the crown Jewel of the British Empire.

Divide and conquer is their tactic even in Africa, Middle East and America.
They also educates the royals by giving them false powers to rule.
But majority of the people are uneducated and oppressed.
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Again read what I said and go check urself, the funding that goes to you is mainly from the state govt not federal. Yes you still get to study in IPTA, but try getting any federal govt grants, how many Sabahan or Sarawakian manage to get that?

Colonialism? Bro that’s over 60+ years ago, we already had NEP for how long and spend how many tens of billions to improve the bumi economy, so why still so many poor bumis? Where did all that money go for so many decades? Funny la you.
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 8 2020, 02:17 PM)
This must be a very good example of tunnel vision, or some rather call it a frog under a well, only sees the sky above it.

At the mean time, under institutionalised mandatory policy, Ahmad, Abu, Hassan. Ali, Sufian, Hafiz, Hussein, Halimah, Azman and Syed all gets gov assistance and preffered treatment, benefits, privileges, priority. Rich or poor.

Where as the nons, rich or poor, gets ABSOLUTELY ZERO NOTHING.

That's the difference.
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On your first bolded, you think if ALL bumi gets to enjoy those privileges still got so many b40 bumi nowadays?

The bumi policy mainly only benefits the rich bumis, those who do not have connections don’t really get anything.
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:37 PM)
I am a Sarawakian. I know.
I met Sarawakian who builds the huge mall in KL, those towers in Damansara, plays golf with PM and Obama etc.
Who are you bullshitting that Sarawakian does not have privilege?

I went to MRSM and have MARA scholarship to Uni. My classmate/unimates are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I work for government for 10 years before. My colleagues are non Muslim Sarawakian.
I have non Muslim Sarawakian classmate/housemate who now works with our government in New York

The list goes on and on. Stop with your lies

To answer your next question, yes because there are a lot of poor bumi that until the late 90s sees their life being changed by NEP that was initiated in the 70s.
But what halted the progress?

Communism.
We basically started building our country back after they surrendered in 1989.
That is where the whole money and policy really taking effect
We are a bit halted in 1998 due to political and economical unrest
but we are still growing strong today

Plus
I did a long Poor and Rich Malays example a few comment back. It takes generations to change a status of a self segregated community. (check my long answer 3-4 comments back)
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How many of them are there? Heck even Chinese and Indian also got a few that work in govt depts la. That doesn’t represent the whole community.

Oh so now blame it on communism since your earlier argument on colonialism didn’t work? Simple question la, where did all the billions go to if not to the pockets of only a few elite bumis?
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(jueiri @ Nov 8 2020, 02:31 PM)
Yes. All bumi gets the them. That's the policy. As long as you are bumi, it's automatic.

Implementation wise, it may benefit the rich bumis more, but, the core concept is, the policy applies to ALL bumis.

Why so many b40 from bumi? You gota ask bumi themselves.

If i tell the hard truths nanti kang certain quarters butthurt
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The concept does not reflect the reality. The so called govt grants for bumi businesses hardly goes to the poor bumi although the concept is to help poor bumis, most go to party members of the ruling party. The only thing that bumis get is Education wise ie spot in IPTA. Even then most of the good scholarships like those going overseas etc goes to those with connections. That’s the reality.
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post Nov 8 2020, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:47 PM)
So you are dismissing this study as invalid due to it being 18 years old?

secondly,
look at our racial demographic population.
Bumi and India sounds about right because we got 70% bumi and 9% Indian roughly,

Shouldn't Chinese be 24% instead of 16%?

So in other words, Chinese have less poor compared to Bumi and Indian

Thirdly,
Since there is Bumi allocation for Bumi policies, then by right it should be given to Bumi
Right?

If not, by your logic
Then if there is a Sarawakian allocation for Sarawak, a Selangorian should have a piece of it?
Or an allocation for Sabahan should be share by all Malaysian.

Now I understand why people in the West always a wanna a piece of Sabah and Sarawak.
Even though there are allocations to each and every citizen and state given every year.
That is why we are still underdeveloped compared to the West.
The West have been songlaping our money to build their MRT, PLUS, KLCC and KLIA with our oil and gas money

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And who do you think did this if not your beloved govt that are doing so much to “help” bumis?

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post Nov 8 2020, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 02:57 PM)
I work for federal government in both Selangor and Sarawak for 10 years. There are lots of Sarawakian here in my PJ office.
One of them is the head of (our expertise) department. But then Sarawakian wants to go back where home is.

In my work place i can say it is 65% Bumi and 35% non Bumi in PJ and in Sarawak, it is close to 60-40% (we have no indians)

Secondly, you ask 2 sets of different question.
one is why the Bumi have so many poor and one is why NEP changes their economic statues.

If you learn history, colonialism is the reason why most country are poor and slow to progress.
Look at the middle east, that is what colonialism did to the region.
Intellectuals are killed, the native are suppressed in education and their wealth is plundered and destroyed.
You can learn what French did to Algeria for a more in depth study of effects on colonialism

If you know about economics, things that will affect it is political instability. Hence communist insurgencies (not CCP ideology per se) halted our progress in rural area.
That is why we need stability to help the economy grows.
That also includes racial stability.
Why does Japan, Korea and Singapore have in common that makes them progress economically?
Racial unity (one major race in power)
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No it’s one question why after over 50 years of NEP and tens or even hundreds of billions allocated still so many poor bumis. Don’t go changing my question to fit your narrative.

You wanna blame colonialism, then what about Singapore? Why they manage to grow to where there are now?


QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 03:05 PM)
One person
Mahathir
He have been hating Sarawak from early on.

Only Najib (sadly it is him as an example) that helped building Sarawak back on their feet
With highways and bridges and other things to help Sarawakian in development.
And Mahathir have to fuck up things again when PH is in power

For decades we have been fighting for our oil and recentl
Now that he is gone
We have our oil rights back and Shell is moving all of their offices to Sarawak exclusively.
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Wait, you mean Sarawak already got back 20% oil royalty? When did that happen?
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post Nov 8 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 03:48 PM)
Firstly
Generational poverty is prevalent amongst the people in the rural because of lack to access of education, lack of job opportunities and basic need like electricity, water and roads.
This is why Bumi which resides in these locations often find it difficult to compete in economic growth compared to the people in the urban areas, which surprise, surprise, is non Bumi.

Thus billions is needed to improve the infrastructures that is needed to help their economy and giving them fair chance to compete with others.
Thus lots of training centers, entrepreneur training, industrial training, schemes and loans are given to them in order to push them to the right direction.
People in the urban areas often have access to internet, tuition centers, training centers, high paying jobs and state of the art transportation compare to people living in coastal or inlands rural places.

So you get my point or do I need to elaborate more?

Secondly
Singapore is the crown colony of British colony same to Labuan, Malacca, Sarawak and Penang but not Malaya.
Meaning Singapore is under direct rule of the Crown.

But Singapore is the jewel colony for the British because of it's location and trade route.
There is nothing to plunder because it have no natural resources but it links all the islands in the region to a central location of it's port

This is part of the reason why Penang, Malacca and Labuan declined in being the port of the region.
It was pretty successful way before the world wars.
Even when the Japanese invaded that region, Singapore is the pinnacle of their invasion objective.
British fought hard to protect Singapore but not Kuala Lumpur or Labuan.

Another reason is Singapore is pretty much one race nation where it is politically stabile thus economic growth is the by product of that
Then, it have only one language to unite all.
Lastly Singapore have developed all it's landscape and no further development like building roads or bridges or tunnels needed to connect one town to another

These three last reasons is why Malaysia is far left behind in economic growth but now only can match Singapore in infrastructure growth.
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No you’re not answering the question at all, since NEP started until 2016 a total of 291 billion USD has been spent on improving the bumiputras economically. That’s almost 1 trillion ringgit. So tell me, where did all that money go? You’re saying that despite spending so much we still couldn’t develop the rural areas?
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post Nov 8 2020, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Nov 8 2020, 05:14 PM)
You know I know the money is already in some SCumno Scumbags pocket. Otherwise we won't be known as Bolehland!
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Ya but some people avoiding the point and trying to go around in circles blaming colonialism, communism and all other kinds of BS
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post Nov 2 2021, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 02:46 PM)
I've said it before:
Prove me wrong, change my mind
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Good job Sherlock, as if people don’t know Water is wet.

Problem is how do you make sheeps realise water is wet?

 

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