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post Nov 2 2020, 09:37 PM, updated 6y ago

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Suspect nabbed the morning after date rape
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Monday, 02 Nov 20205:48 PM MYT
By JUSTIN ZACK

PETALING JAYA: Police moved quickly to arrest a suspected rapist after the victim lodged a report against him the morning after she was allegedly raped.

“On Nov 1 at around 9.38am, we received a report by a 25-year-old foreigner who said that she had been raped, ” said Petaling Jaya OCPD Asst Comm Nik Ezanee Mohd Faisal.


“The complainant said that the suspect, a Middle Eastern man known to her, had come over to her home in Ara Damansara with food and alcohol the day before.

“At around 12.30am on Nov 1, he asked her for sex but she refused. She claimed that the suspect then slapped, molested and raped her," he said in a statement Monday (Nov 2).

ACP Nik Ezanee added that the complainant said that the rapist had called her “his wife” and told her to shower with him.

“Acting on the report, the 31-year-old suspect was arrested at 10.19am on at the complainant’s house in Ara Damansara.

“Preliminary investigations showed that the two had only known each other from Oct 28 onwards and that the suspect owns an Arab restaurant near where the complainant stayed.

“He has been remanded for seven days until Nov 8. The case is still under investigation and the relevant embassy has been informed, ” he added.

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post Nov 2 2020, 09:38 PM

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Netflix date gone wrong?
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post Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(Maja Helmi @ Nov 2 2020, 09:38 PM)
Netflix date gone wrong?
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Pak Arab boleh minum arak?

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post Nov 2 2020, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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Maybe because not all Arab people is Muslim.

And if he's Muslim, not all Muslim is religious.
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post Nov 2 2020, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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Why not?
K said don't drink is being more Arabs than Arabs

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post Nov 2 2020, 09:47 PM

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So ganas one terus ask for sex
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post Nov 2 2020, 09:51 PM

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If don't want sex, don't invite a guy to your apartment at night with food and alcohol. I'm saying this regardless whether the guy raped her or not.

It's just a shitty behavior to lead someone on then shit on them.

But that guy is damn cibai for failing to control himself also.
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post Nov 2 2020, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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jangan kita meminum arak,
arak itu syaitan yang punya
kalau kita minum nanti syaitan,
syaitan nak minum.. syaitan nak minum air apa..?
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:51 PM)
If don't want sex, don't invite a guy to your apartment at night with food and alcohol. I'm saying this regardless whether the guy raped her or not.

It's just a shitty behavior to lead someone on then shit on them.

But that guy is damn cibai for failing to control himself also.
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PAS logic....she asked for it
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post Nov 2 2020, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(TheKingShark @ Nov 2 2020, 09:53 PM)
PAS logic....she asked for it
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no she did not ask to be raped, but she kinda asked to be treated badly, just don't do bad things to people. people can do worse things back at you.

be a kind person.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:51 PM)
If don't want sex, don't invite a guy to your apartment at night with food and alcohol. I'm saying this regardless whether the guy raped her or not.

It's just a shitty behavior to lead someone on then shit on them.

But that guy is damn cibai for failing to control himself also.
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Why not

It's only food and alcohol. Everybody loves good food and alcohol.

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post Nov 2 2020, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Nov 2 2020, 09:55 PM)
Why not

It's only food and alcohol. Everybody loves good food and alcohol.
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food, alcohol, sex is a package, unless it's a family/lame people gathering lel
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:56 PM)
food, alcohol, sex is a package, unless it's a family/lame people gathering lel
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Dude if it's her place = sex is always 50/50. It's her place she controls the mood.

If your place = 100%. She wouldn't come over if she's not interested.

So just bring her to your place.
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Nov 2 2020, 09:59 PM)
Dude if it's her place = sex is always 50/50. It's her place she controls the mood.

If your place = 100%. She wouldn't come over if she's not interested.

So just bring her to your place.
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cannot... later she come also she claims rape. or she's not impressed with the sex and feels regret the next morning, again claims rape.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 10:02 PM)
cannot... later she come also she claims rape. or she's not impressed with the sex and feels regret the next morning, again claims rape.
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It's sounds more stupid that you came over a guy's house, had sex with him and claimed rape next morning.




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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:51 PM)
If don't want sex, don't invite a guy to your apartment at night with food and alcohol. I'm saying this regardless whether the guy raped her or not.

It's just a shitty behavior to lead someone on then shit on them.

But that guy is damn cibai for failing to control himself also.
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come to apartment at night
expect playing Among Us

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QUOTE(Maja Helmi @ Nov 2 2020, 09:42 PM)
Maybe because not all Arab people is Muslim.

And if he's Muslim, not all Muslim is religious.
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Gang bodoh rapist best friend protection on
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I know the victim, a Japanese actually

A friend's friend

Too innocent thinking here it as safe as it is at Japan actually

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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:56 PM)
food, alcohol, sex is a package, unless it's a family/lame people gathering lel
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Erm. Why cannot drink some fine wine and have some food? Gila ker. Drink wine , eat burger, terus ganas sex.

No self control, say no control lah.
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Gang bodoh rapist best friend protection on
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What plotek? You think all arab are muslim? All chinese is buddhist? All indian is hindu?

Small brain la this fella.
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:07 PM)
I know the victim, a Japanese actually

A friend's friend

Too innocent thinking here it as safe as it is at Japan actually
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Wow, that's bad, and she only knew him on Oct 28? For the rapist to claim she is his 'wife' - WTF?
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:07 PM)
I know the victim, a Japanese actually

A friend's friend

Too innocent thinking here it as safe as it is at Japan actually
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Damn. Safe or not don't bring a guy home la.
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:07 PM)
I know the victim, a Japanese actually

A friend's friend

Too innocent thinking here it as safe as it is at Japan actually
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She trusted pak arab
Lmao
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QUOTE(asuka16 @ Nov 2 2020, 10:16 PM)
What plotek? You think all arab are muslim? All chinese is buddhist? All indian is hindu?

Small brain la this fella.
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Please read the 2nd part where if Muslim is not religious, thus drinking alcohol is NOT FROWNED UPON. Pull your head out of your ass and tell me that's not protect.
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QUOTE(asuka16 @ Nov 2 2020, 10:16 PM)
What plotek? You think all arab are muslim? All chinese is buddhist? All indian is hindu?

Small brain la this fella.
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Chinese n Indian can be Buddhist, Islam, Christian or atheist but Arab is Muslim

Done my drifto

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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:56 PM)
food, alcohol, sex is a package, unless it's a family/lame people gathering lel
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How u know it was not a group gathering?
Not every girl expect to be raped when invited with some food and alcohol.

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QUOTE(weissPC @ Nov 2 2020, 10:17 PM)
Wow, that's bad, and she only knew him on Oct 28? For the rapist to claim she is his 'wife' - WTF?
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QUOTE(asuka16 @ Nov 2 2020, 10:17 PM)
Damn. Safe or not don't bring a guy home la.
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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 10:17 PM)
She trusted pak arab
Lmao
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If I'm not wrong it is a Yemen dude and tackled her at a restaurant then they went for a date

Eventually it leads to I believe the lady inviting the dude back to her house just for food / drinks but of course the dude expected it is an invitation for sex even after rejection he still prowls on it

Later at the morning, while the dude is fast asleep, she sneaked out, took all the phone/wallet/keys and locked the door and went out to reported the police

Something like that, I may not get everything correct though

Poor thing just came to Malaysia to work but end up like this actually

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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:23 PM)
If I'm not wrong it is a Yemen dude and tackled her at a restaurant then they went for a date

Eventually it leads to I believe the lady inviting the dude back to her house just for food / drinks but of course the dude expected it is an invitation for sex even after rejection he still prowls on it

Later at the morning, while the dude is fast asleep, she sneaked out, took all the phone/wallet/keys and locked the door and went out to reported the police

Something like that, I may not get everything correct though

Poor thing just came to Malaysia to work but end up like this actually
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Pretty or not


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QUOTE(Lyu @ Nov 2 2020, 10:22 PM)
Chinese n Indian can be Buddhist, Islam, Christian or atheist but Arab is Muslim

Done my drifto

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There's a christian arab la kawan.
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QUOTE(NB01 @ Nov 2 2020, 10:09 PM)
Erm. Why cannot drink some fine wine and have some food? Gila ker. Drink wine , eat burger, terus ganas sex.

No self control, say no control lah.
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yup yup willing to go on a date or drink alcohol with you doesnt necessary mean sex


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There's a christian arab la kawan.
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:23 PM)
If I'm not wrong it is a Yemen dude and tackled her at a restaurant then they went for a date

Eventually it leads to I believe the lady inviting the dude back to her house just for food / drinks but of course the dude expected it is an invitation for sex even after rejection he still prowls on it

Later at the morning, while the dude is fast asleep, she sneaked out, took all the phone/wallet/keys and locked the door and went out to reported the police

Something like that, I may not get everything correct though

Poor thing just came to Malaysia to work but end up like this actually
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Ayoooooooo. So naive
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mid east/paki fellas all damn hum sap...girls should be careful being with them...from mr nice guy they can suddenly turn into a wild beast...and they like rough sex
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You go to Dubai. It is westernise arab.
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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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You never met real Arab before?
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Pretty or not
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Would like to know too.
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probably turned off

then baru realize guy not as much she expected

felt unsatisfied go claim rape
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Better hope he is not from Saudi Arabia.

Government there really cares for citizens. If guilty of crime, help them to escape, according to FBI.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politic...-us/4510454002/
"FBI: Saudi government 'almost certainly' helps citizens accused of serious crimes escape from US
Nicholas Wu
USA TODAY
Published 1:28 p.m. ET Jan 18, 2020"

QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:41 PM)
If it is guy from /k/ at least don't think fellow Malaysian will dare to prowl on it when rejected

But unfortunate it is a fcuking middle eastern dude and she's too innocent to let him into her house in the first place
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Temporary marriage kot. "Mut'ah" brows.gif

QUOTE(weissPC @ Nov 2 2020, 10:17 PM)
Wow, that's bad, and she only knew him on Oct 28? For the rapist to claim she is his 'wife' - WTF?
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what u expect of a sand nigga? barbaric to the max...their culture is MCP
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She literally invited trouble to her home.
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>Middle Eastern men
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Nice keyword combo
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I more keen to know what race that girl is

In my condo alots of them bring cainis girl in room. Including my neighbour
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Someone said is Japanese.

Surrounded by herbivore, expect other race men also like that, surprised and attacked with kebab brows.gif

QUOTE(eaglefly @ Nov 2 2020, 10:50 PM)
I more keen to know what race that girl is

In my condo alots of them bring cainis girl in room. Including my neighbour
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QUOTE(eaglefly @ Nov 2 2020, 10:50 PM)
I more keen to know what race that girl is

In my condo alots of them bring cainis girl in room. Including my neighbour
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Those casinos girl is landwhale type is it. I heard some ktard say before.
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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Nov 2 2020, 10:43 PM)
Better hope he is not from Saudi Arabia.

Government there really cares for citizens. If guilty of crime, help them to escape, according to FBI.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politic...-us/4510454002/
"FBI: Saudi government 'almost certainly' helps citizens accused of serious crimes escape from US
Nicholas Wu
USA TODAY
Published 1:28 p.m. ET Jan 18, 2020"
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So can be considered lucky the guy from Yemen since there's really no functioning govt there to help him escape, huh?
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what u expect of a sand nigga? barbaric to the max...their culture is MCP
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:07 PM)
I know the victim, a Japanese actually

A friend's friend

Too innocent thinking here it as safe as it is at Japan actually
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Holy cow is her name Misa? I know a Japanese there as well. Is it possible we know the same person?
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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Nov 2 2020, 10:45 PM)
Temporary marriage kot. "Mut'ah" brows.gif
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Where's the tok kadi to solemnize? You think this is southern Thailand meh - temp marriage for the night
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I'm not the one who did the crime, just a commenter like other people here brows.gif

QUOTE(weissPC @ Nov 2 2020, 11:02 PM)
Where's the tok kadi to solemnize? You think this is southern Thailand meh - temp marriage for the night
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>Middle Eastern men
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So ganas one terus ask for sex
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Arab mcm tu la. Yang boleh ngam dengan diorang Israel je
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He brought alcohol. Thats a sign he’d do all haram things
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Nov 2 2020, 09:59 PM)
Dude if it's her place = sex is always 50/50. It's her place she controls the mood.

If your place = 100%. She wouldn't come over if she's not interested.

So just bring her to your place.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:56 PM)
food, alcohol, sex is a package, unless it's a family/lame people gathering lel
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Quote of the day,

Make sure u dont carry food alcohol. later kena buttsek for free rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Nov 2 2020, 11:37 PM)
Quote of the day,

Make sure u dont carry food alcohol. later kena buttsek for free  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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i don't know which holier-than-thou world you guys live in, but for me if 1 man + 1 woman + food + alcohol = sex. otherwise don't even go there.
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Impossibru.

She asked for it.
The guy brought alcohol and food to her house.
She already knew they would have sex.
It's an invitation to have sex the moment she answered the door.

/PASlogic
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:51 PM)
If don't want sex, don't invite a guy to your apartment at night with food and alcohol. I'm saying this regardless whether the guy raped her or not.

It's just a shitty behavior to lead someone on then shit on them.

But that guy is damn cibai for failing to control himself also.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 11:40 PM)
i don't know which holier-than-thou world you guys live in, but for me if 1 man + 1 woman + food + alcohol = sex. otherwise don't even go there.
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So most of the non halal western restaurant should be f_ckfest?

LoL rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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definitely arak, paslogic, middleeastern mentality

not jav
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post Nov 2 2020, 11:45 PM

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Told ya alcohol should be banned....


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suspect owns an Arab restaurant near where the complainant stayed.


remember there's only 1 arab restaurant around ara damansara area wei.......just google arab restauran ara damansara
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Sampah arab .. should stone to death
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QUOTE(ticke @ Nov 2 2020, 11:41 PM)
ppl like u make world a shitty plc to live
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hurr durr... it's totally ok to date and invite a man to your house alone, have a good time eating food, getting drunk and everyone sing kumbaya go home. and sex doesn't have to be shitty. it's just sex.

again, i'm against rape that's definitely a crime and shitty thing to do, but as adults, everyone has a responsibiity to manage expectations and know the limit. the limit here is so far down, and then turned into a shitty person because you failed to manage expectations right before even inviting the guy.

you can't just push all the blame to the guy, brush off hands and go "ppl like u make world a shitty place to live".

take responsibility for every action.



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QUOTE(StorMx @ Nov 2 2020, 11:43 PM)
So most of the non halal western restaurant should be f_ckfest?

LoL  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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it's not a 1v1 setting last i remember. unless you own the restaurant, you are the chef, and block everyone else from entering the premise except your partner.
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remember there's only 1 arab restaurant around ara damansara area wei.......just google arab restauran ara damansara
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So ganas one terus ask for sex
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I wonder how he asked her

" Come let's zhut zhut now"


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Obviously you all have not heard or seen the kind of rave parties and sex orgies these rich Arab elites organized outside their country for weekend retreats and summer vacations.

Perverted Saudi prince ordered his entire staff to strip naked at his Beverly Hills mansion's pool and said: 'I want to see some naked p****

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-32...pers-claim.html

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A Saudi Arabian prince ordered his entire household to gather by the pool and strip off because he wanted to see 'some naked p***y', Daily Mail Online can reveal.

The claim is made in legal documents laying out details of the civil case against Prince Majed bin Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, 29, who was arrested in Los Angeles last month after neighbors spotted a crying, bleeding woman attempting to scale a wall of his compound.

He is also accused of failing to prevent aides from mistreating three female members of his domestic staff – with the result that they now also face charges, although Prince Majed remains the lead defendant.

The women, who all allege sexual harassment and say they were imprisoned at the mansion against their will, have filed a civil claim – seen by Daily Mail Online – against the prince.
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Nov 3 2020, 12:11 AM)
Obviously you all have not heard or seen the kind of rave parties and sex orgies these rich Arab elites organized outside their country for weekend retreats and summer vacations.

Perverted Saudi prince ordered his entire staff to strip naked at his Beverly Hills mansion's pool and said: 'I want to see some naked p****

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-32...pers-claim.html
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arabs dont drink? hahahaha

just go around see how many of them drinking liquor while smoking shishas


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Their must have been some confusion in the payment. No one would fuck an arab willingly for free.
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Nov 3 2020, 12:06 AM)
I wonder how he asked her

" Come let's zhut zhut now"
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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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Pak Arab will say salahan alcohol cause him to mabuk and rape.
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:07 PM)
I know the victim, a Japanese actually

A friend's friend

Too innocent thinking here it as safe as it is at Japan actually
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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Nov 2 2020, 11:00 PM)
Holy cow is her name Misa? I know a Japanese there as well. Is it possible we know the same person?
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Not convenient to reveal that, but there are tons of Japanese around Ara Damansara area


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Hello? I don't think it is nice to ask for drill of a rape victim
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Nov 3 2020, 01:11 AM)
Obviously you all have not heard or seen the kind of rave parties and sex orgies these rich Arab elites organized outside their country for weekend retreats and summer vacations.

Perverted Saudi prince ordered his entire staff to strip naked at his Beverly Hills mansion's pool and said: 'I want to see some naked p****

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-32...pers-claim.html
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now u all know why the helangs in our country try hard aiming to be pak arab
because they wan the helang lifestyle there
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Middle East people are syaitan. Look at those in Cyberjaya.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:51 PM)
If don't want sex, don't invite a guy to your apartment at night with food and alcohol. I'm saying this regardless whether the guy raped her or not.

It's just a shitty behavior to lead someone on then shit on them.

But that guy is damn cibai for failing to control himself also.
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No one said he is invited
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so salahan arak?


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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Nov 3 2020, 12:06 AM)
I wonder how he asked her

" Come let's zhut zhut now"
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Too much JAV until he think every Japanese women will have sex with him
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Those arabs very hamsup and hypocrite

and yet many people still want to learn from them
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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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last time i got arab roommate, wake up main ps4, minum arak and smoke d. then noon time go class, after class at night go strip club or bar to sit.
the only thing he doesnt do is eat pork rclxub.gif

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These arabs eat too much camel and lamb i guess
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Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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Pak Arab boleh masuk genting casino too
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QUOTE(chinti @ Nov 3 2020, 08:50 AM)
last time i got arab roommate, wake up main ps4, minum arak and smoke d. then noon time go class, after class at night go strip club or bar to sit.
the only thing he doesnt do is eat pork  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:55 PM)
no she did not ask to be raped, but she kinda asked to be treated badly, just don't do bad things to people. people can do worse things back at you.

be a kind person.
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kepala otak kau. this is obvious victim blaming. orang datang rumah kau bawah hadiah ko halau ke?
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Macam la xtau apa akan berlaku

He was too aggressive kot, mco mah
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 11:50 PM)
hurr durr... it's totally ok to date and invite a man to your house alone, have a good time eating food, getting drunk and everyone sing kumbaya go home. and sex doesn't have to be shitty. it's just sex.

again, i'm against rape that's definitely a crime and shitty thing to do, but as adults, everyone has a responsibiity to manage expectations and know the limit. the limit here is so far down, and then turned into a shitty person because you failed to manage expectations right before even inviting the guy.

you can't just push all the blame to the guy, brush off hands and go "ppl like u make world a shitty place to live".

take responsibility for every action.
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i had similar experience like the guy, but then, it's not an invitation to sex

nope, it's definitely the guy fault
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Take the liquor and say rental property under company control, they don't allow visitor icon_idea.gif

Want meet up also can meet at restaurant.

Like I said, attractive guy gets a pass if he does it - until things go bad.

Pretty sure would have shouted "chikan!" if it was an ugly guy asking to talk, or pretend not to understand English brows.gif

QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Nov 3 2020, 08:53 AM)
kepala otak kau. this is obvious victim blaming. orang datang rumah kau bawah hadiah ko halau ke?
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QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:05 AM)
i had similar experience like the guy, but then, it's not an invitation to sex

nope, it's definitely the guy fault
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of course the guy is at fault, nobody should rape. it's a crime. i don't deny that, and certainly don't condone.

what i'm saying is it's not black and white, and everyone involved needs to take responsibility for certain degree of fault.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:11 AM)
of course the guy is at fault, nobody should rape. it's a crime. i don't deny that, and certainly don't condone.

what i'm saying is it's not black and white, and everyone involved needs to take responsibility for certain degree of fault.
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That is the problem, later go NZ, a girl smile to you and you think it is invitation for sex
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Yup. Like this guy, "sexual emergency"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-34...sex-months.html
"Iraqi migrant rapes a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool in Vienna and tells police it was a 'sexual emergency' because he hadn't had sex in months
Migrant, 20, arrived in Austria via Balkans in September and was taxi driver
Raped boy in cubicle of Resienbad pool - then had fun on the diving board
Told police he knew it was wrong - but he had not had sex for four months
Said that he was not 'always sick' as he has a wife and a child back in Iraq
By JAMES DUNN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 08:52 GMT, 6 February 2016 | UPDATED: 15:58 GMT, 6 February 2016"

He should have gone for an Emergency Massage brows.gif not a typo

QUOTE(haroldz123 @ Nov 3 2020, 08:56 AM)
Macam la xtau apa akan berlaku

He was too aggressive kot, mco mah
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Hahaha.. damn stupid.

Of all ppl, ask 1 middle eastern joker to come her house.

They are the worst scum of the universe. They are sex depraved demons. U go saudi see how they treat women u know already.

Outside holy moly, inside turn into a sex demon
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 11:50 PM)
hurr durr... it's totally ok to date and invite a man to your house alone, have a good time eating food, getting drunk and everyone sing kumbaya go home. and sex doesn't have to be shitty. it's just sex.

again, i'm against rape that's definitely a crime and shitty thing to do, but as adults, everyone has a responsibiity to manage expectations and know the limit. the limit here is so far down, and then turned into a shitty person because you failed to manage expectations right before even inviting the guy.

you can't just push all the blame to the guy, brush off hands and go "ppl like u make world a shitty place to live".

take responsibility for every action.
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still the guy's fault

the girl can show you her LV purse and the thousands of ringgit content inside

might even wave a few hundred dollar bills when paying a waiter or two to tempt you

but once you try to take out the money from her purse and she say no..that's a fucking no

its not that hard to understand when i put it this way huh?

now u know...
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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Nov 3 2020, 09:13 AM)
Yup. Like this guy, "sexual emergency"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-34...sex-months.html
"Iraqi migrant rapes a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool in Vienna and tells police it was a 'sexual emergency' because he hadn't had sex in months
Migrant, 20, arrived in Austria via Balkans in September and was taxi driver
Raped boy in cubicle of Resienbad pool - then had fun on the diving board
Told police he knew it was wrong - but he had not had sex for four months
Said that he was not 'always sick' as he has a wife and a child back in Iraq
By JAMES DUNN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 08:52 GMT, 6 February 2016 | UPDATED: 15:58 GMT, 6 February 2016"

He should have gone for an Emergency Massage brows.gif not a typo
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Lulz, he just treat women there like how he treat women back at his home
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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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see below

QUOTE(Maja Helmi @ Nov 2 2020, 09:42 PM)
Maybe because not all Arab people is Muslim.

And if he's Muslim, not all Muslim is religious.
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:07 PM)
I know the victim, a Japanese actually

A friend's friend

Too innocent thinking here it as safe as it is at Japan actually
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seriously..oh wow
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 09:14 AM)
still the guy's fault

the girl can show you her LV purse and the thousands of ringgit content inside

might even wave a few hundred dollar bills when paying a waiter or two to tempt you

but once you try to take out the money from her purse and she say no..that's a fucking no

its not that hard to understand when i put it this way huh?

now u know...
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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Nov 3 2020, 09:13 AM)
Yup. Like this guy, "sexual emergency"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-34...sex-months.html
"Iraqi migrant rapes a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool in Vienna and tells police it was a 'sexual emergency' because he hadn't had sex in months
Migrant, 20, arrived in Austria via Balkans in September and was taxi driver
Raped boy in cubicle of Resienbad pool - then had fun on the diving board
Told police he knew it was wrong - but he had not had sex for four months
Said that he was not 'always sick' as he has a wife and a child back in Iraq
By JAMES DUNN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 08:52 GMT, 6 February 2016 | UPDATED: 15:58 GMT, 6 February 2016"

He should have gone for an Emergency Massage brows.gif not a typo
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potong konek dia, bagi anjing makan. ranting.gif
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:11 AM)
of course the guy is at fault, nobody should rape. it's a crime. i don't deny that, and certainly don't condone.

what i'm saying is it's not black and white, and everyone involved needs to take responsibility for certain degree of fault.
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what fault? stop victim blaming
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 09:14 AM)
still the guy's fault

the girl can show you her LV purse and the thousands of ringgit content inside

might even wave a few hundred dollar bills when paying a waiter or two to tempt you

but once you try to take out the money from her purse and she say no..that's a fucking no

its not that hard to understand when i put it this way huh?

now u know...
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that is fantasy thinking in an ideal world. but let's be real you know i know this is not how the world works. laws are in place yes, but if you play with people's feelings, expect to get burned. all you white knights need to look at the situation objectively based on reality, not based on a fantasy society you wish exist.
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I just think if you allowed a man to enter your house with alcohol, you should prepare for the worst coz you know what alcohol can do to your mind.

Be prepared to defend yourself
Expect him to lose control once he got intoxicated
It's better not to be alone la basically....
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 10:56 PM)
food, alcohol, sex is a package, unless it's a family/lame people gathering lel
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your statement is misleading. food sex alcohol is not a package.

this is a man who wanted to rape. he came with the intention to get some action on the woman.


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QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:16 AM)
what fault? stop victim blaming
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stop white knighting. any self-respecting woman will know where to draw the lines when it comes to 1v1 interaction with a man.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 10:17 AM)
that is fantasy thinking in an ideal world. but let's be real you know i know this is not how the world works. laws are in place yes, but if you play with people's feelings, expect to get burned. all you white knights need to look at the situation objectively based on reality, not based on a fantasy society you wish exist.
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reality is we all have rights. as long as those rights dont trample on others. your statement reeks of odd mentality.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:17 AM)
that is fantasy thinking in an ideal world. but let's be real you know i know this is not how the world works. laws are in place yes, but if you play with people's feelings, expect to get burned. all you white knights need to look at the situation objectively based on reality, not based on a fantasy society you wish exist.
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what fantasy thinking? its reality la bro

u go restorant u see ppl flash their jewelry, rolex watches and LV purse
doesnt mean anyone sitting nearby can go take it and claim 'hey, but he wave it infront of me yo!'

that wont fly ler bro
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 10:19 AM)
what fantasy thinking? its reality la bro

u go restorant u see ppl flash their jewelry, rolex watches and LV purse
doesnt mean anyone sitting nearby can go take it and claim 'hey, but he wave it infront of me yo!'

that wont fly ler bro
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i agree.
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Dude watched too much JAV.


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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:19 AM)
stop white knighting. any self-respecting woman will know where to draw the lines when it comes to 1v1 interaction with a man.
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you're assuming all men are perverted freaks that dont have self control

fortunately the many of us do

and the few that doesnt should jst rot in jail
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:19 AM)
stop white knighting. any self-respecting woman will know where to draw the lines when it comes to 1v1 interaction with a man.
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that's why your parents are failure to educate you to be a REAL man but instead you follow middle east teaching
Have some self-respect and respect others as a man, else don't call yourself a man, a human, because you lack self-control and respect

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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 10:19 AM)
what fantasy thinking? its reality la bro

u go restorant u see ppl flash their jewelry, rolex watches and LV purse
doesnt mean anyone sitting nearby can go take it and claim 'hey, but he wave it infront of me yo!'

that wont fly ler bro
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that jigsaw guy is a lost cause man. if we defend the women we be white knight. lets just hope no one ever do anything to his/ her loved ones.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:19 AM)
stop white knighting. any self-respecting woman will know where to draw the lines when it comes to 1v1 interaction with a man.
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ur bordering the officer in NZ where he claimed a woman smiling to her is an invitation to have sex

which i reckon to you that sounded pretty normal?
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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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Well come to the other side of the moon that many do not know about (or refuse to acknowledge).

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that jigsaw guy is a lost cause man. if we defend the women we be white knight. lets just hope no one ever do anything to his/ her loved ones.
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aye...that's pretty sad to think that all wimmins who flashes a smile and invites a guy inside her house means she wanna fuck

it would be nice to see what happen when the gas man or postlaju guy deliver things to his parents house...so its sex orgy with his mum? hmm.gif
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both of you should read what you typed again... you are still assuming that people should not do certain things, the world doesn't work this way. the REAL world doesn't.

your 'assumed' world is a fantasy peaceful ideal world that we all want, but unfortunately in reality it's not the case.

your rights and the laws mean nothing when someone wants to stab a knife in your face just because you bumped on him at the streets. still don't understand??

QUOTE(joedpa82 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:19 AM)
reality is we all have rights. as long as those rights dont trample on others. your statement reeks of odd mentality.
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what fantasy thinking? its reality la bro

u go restorant u see ppl flash their jewelry, rolex watches and LV purse
doesnt mean anyone sitting nearby can go take it and claim 'hey, but he wave it infront of me yo!'

that wont fly ler bro
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baru kenal 28th oct, allow him to come to house with alcohol until 12.30 am?

wouldn't even let him in my house if it was me
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Malaysia no porn industry, otherwise we would have already seen this storyline.

UPS fella have this though, and Malaysia have UPS delivery ... so ... covered? hmm.gif

QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 09:23 AM)
aye...that's pretty sad to think that all wimmins who flashes a smile and invites a guy inside her house means she wanna fuck

it would be nice to see what happen when the gas man or postlaju guy deliver things to his parents house...so its sex orgy with his mum? hmm.gif
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Women's personality detector malfunctions if the guy is handsome.

They have never patched that error.

QUOTE(pandah @ Nov 3 2020, 09:26 AM)
baru kenal 28th oct, allow him to come to house with alcohol until 12.30 am?

wouldn't even let him in my house if it was me
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QUOTE(joedpa82 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:21 AM)
that jigsaw guy is a lost cause man. if we defend the women we be white knight. lets just hope no one ever do anything to his/ her loved ones.
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nothing to do with lost cause. it's accepting the harsh reality of society and take responsibility for our own behaviors when dealing with other people.

QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 09:23 AM)
aye...that's pretty sad to think that all wimmins who flashes a smile and invites a guy inside her house means she wanna fuck

it would be nice to see what happen when the gas man or postlaju guy deliver things to his parents house...so its sex orgy with his mum? hmm.gif
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you're sadder if keep living in fantasy world bubble. and as usual resorting to personal attacks like a smart man you are.

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This one also from NZ, girl in America talked to him, he went on a plane to kidnap her, shot by mother.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44617074
"New Zealand man shot after 'flying to US to attack teenager'
Published26 June 2018
The sspect
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image captionUS police say they know nothing of Mr Skinner's background
A New Zealand man flew to the US state of Virginia and was shot after trying to break into the home of a teenage girl whom he met online, police say.

Troy George Skinner, 25, was shot in the neck by the girl's mother after smashing his way through a glass door."

Yet NZ don't develop abnormal reputation, why ah? White privilege? hmm.gif

QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 09:21 AM)
ur bordering the officer in NZ where he claimed a woman smiling to her is an invitation to have sex

which i reckon to you that sounded pretty normal?
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both of you should read what you typed again... you are still assuming that people should not do certain things, the world doesn't work this way. the REAL world doesn't.

your 'assumed' world is a fantasy peaceful ideal world that we all want, but unfortunately in reality it's not the case.

your rights and the laws mean nothing when someone wants to stab a knife in your face just because you bumped on him at the streets. still don't understand??
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i am not assuming. no one said we were in utopia. your previous statement gives a message that the woman should be blamed because she invited the guy into her house for food and alcohol and then sex. can't 2 person share food and beverages just because they are friends? the man here clearly has leverage in terms of power and he took advantage of the woman after she had said no.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:23 AM)
both of you should read what you typed again... you are still assuming that people should not do certain things, the world doesn't work this way. the REAL world doesn't.

your 'assumed' world is a fantasy peaceful ideal world that we all want, but unfortunately in reality it's not the case.

your rights and the laws mean nothing when someone wants to stab a knife in your face just because you bumped on him at the streets. still don't understand??
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yes - i know what you meant that ppl will do the opposite , and that's how we have criminals

and as such that's why criminals need to be punished, not the victim

and neither the victim should be blamed, nor the victim need to have condemning words hurled at them

the victims have been hurt enough

the same why we dont go condemning parents when they lost their child because they didnt use car seat

remember, if we dont have nice things to say..then better dont say anything

and if given the choice of being right or being kind, try to be kind

that's what's lacking in the world right now..kindness and empathy

coz everyone wanna show their macho side..until they got whacked for provoking thing they felt they are right...and ppl starts condemning kan dah kena whack..then they felt why the world dont understand that a wrong is wrong because of beating up others....and got angry because they got blame as provioing the other...

everything is nice and sunny until someone you cared becomes a victim...dont have to go until that level to regret bro..and claim now that you have experience it urself..u regret for having such mindset in the past
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Malaysia no porn industry, otherwise we would have already seen this storyline.

UPS fella have this though, and Malaysia have UPS delivery ... so ... covered? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(joedpa82 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:35 AM)
i am not assuming. no one said we were in utopia. your previous statement gives a message that the woman should be blamed because she invited the guy into her house for food and alcohol and then sex. can't 2 person share food and beverages just because they are friends? the man here clearly has leverage in terms of power and he took advantage of the woman after she had said no.
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I said she needs to take a certain level of responsibility and not totally faultless.

No, in current society, it's not recommended/encouraged for 2 people of opposing sex to share happy times in private space. Unless you're ready to get intimate.

She had to say no before inviting the guy to her house, not no after bouts of alcohol. If you are driving on a road and see a dead end at a gate with NO ENTRY sign, you U-turn right there and then, not drive all the way in and only decide to U-turn if you don't like where the road is heading to.
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I said she needs to take a certain level of responsibility and not totally faultless.

No, in current society, it's not recommended/encouraged for 2 people of opposing sex to share happy times in private space. Unless you're ready to get intimate.

She had to say no before inviting the guy to her house, not no after bouts of alcohol. If you are driving on a road and see a dead end at a gate with NO ENTRY sign, you U-turn right there and then, not drive all the way in and only decide to U-turn if you don't like where the road is heading to.
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Wow, this timing of no is a law enacted by which country?


Legit defence on court of law?


How about just learn to be civilized?
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QUOTE(joedpa82 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:35 AM)
i am not assuming. no one said we were in utopia. your previous statement gives a message that the woman should be blamed because she invited the guy into her house for food and alcohol and then sex. can't 2 person share food and beverages just because they are friends? the man here clearly has leverage in terms of power and he took advantage of the woman after she had said no.
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of course they can, but reality is such that not everyone is a saint, and that man choose to abuse his strength, after an alcoholic influence, or may be even drugs, who knows.

he has since made it clear that he does not condone rape, it is just that the woman being too trusting to a newly known stranger is making things easier for the predator.

for the female buddy i have known for 20 years, sure can go to house late nite even her husband know i won't be doing shit, cuz they know me well. if i am just a new face like kenal last week, and then i am going to a woman's house at 12.30am with alcohol, i don't think it even make sense for most people. May be in japan they are mostly very polite or follow the law, but then this can not be applied to everyone.

it is not her fault for being raped. just that the precaution need to be taken with strangers.

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:44 AM)
Wow, this timing of no is a law enacted by which country?
Legit defence on court of law?
How about just learn to be civilized?
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Yes, learn to be civilized and have common sense as well. You know I know not everyone is civiized in this REAL world.
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I said she needs to take a certain level of responsibility and not totally faultless.

No, in current society, it's not recommended/encouraged for 2 people of opposing sex to share happy times in private space. Unless you're ready to get intimate.

She had to say no before inviting the guy to her house, not no after bouts of alcohol. If you are driving on a road and see a dead end at a gate with NO ENTRY sign, you U-turn right there and then, not drive all the way in and only decide to U-turn if you don't like where the road is heading to.
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Woah what backwards kampung mentality you have right there. Clearly you have never hanged out alone with someone from the opposite sex before without getting intimate lol

Looks like we got a fellow rapist wannabee here
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Yes, learn to be civilized and have common sense as well. You know I know not everyone is civiized in this REAL world.
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common sense still does not mean you can blame the victim

and fyi, ur lipot got removed

wanna act macho..why lipot? pm me if u wanna discus further
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 10:42 AM)
I said she needs to take a certain level of responsibility and not totally faultless.

No, in current society, it's not recommended/encouraged for 2 people of opposing sex to share happy times in private space. Unless you're ready to get intimate.

She had to say no before inviting the guy to her house, not no after bouts of alcohol. If you are driving on a road and see a dead end at a gate with NO ENTRY sign, you U-turn right there and then, not drive all the way in and only decide to U-turn if you don't like where the road is heading to.
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"If you are driving on a road and see a dead end at a gate with NO ENTRY sign, you U-turn right there and then, not drive all the way in and only decide to U-turn if you don't like where the road is heading to." this analogy is wrong dude. get a better one.

"No, in current society, it's not recommended/encouraged for 2 people of opposing sex to share happy times in private space"
current society? which current society and what cultural context are we talking here? u never had fren of opposite sex just to talk to about something private? from your argument i totally understand your mindset. i do agree that to PREVENT anything untoward happening prudent measures should be taken. but i have to put forth the argument that as a person, we should use our intellect before doing anything.
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QUOTE(sunbearau @ Nov 3 2020, 09:48 AM)
Woah what backwards kampung mentality you have right there. Clearly you have never hanged out alone with someone from the opposite sex before without getting intimate lol

Looks like we got a fellow rapist wannabee here
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You missed my point. Contrary to what you assumed, I have no issue hanging out alone with women without getting intimate. But you cannot EXPECT everyone behaves like this.

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QUOTE(sunbearau @ Nov 3 2020, 09:48 AM)
Woah what backwards kampung mentality you have right there. Clearly you have never hanged out alone with someone from the opposite sex before without getting intimate lol

Looks like we got a fellow rapist wannabee here
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so J1g54w when girls ask u to go to their house for a dinner, that mean they are ready for whatever fetish you have in mind?

rape, whips..candles...torture...nail pulling...knee cap breaking and finger cutting?

coz the girls should have common sense NOT to invite you to her house if she dont want all that right? RIGHT?
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QUOTE(joedpa82 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:50 AM)
"If you are driving on a road and see a dead end at a gate with NO ENTRY sign, you U-turn right there and then, not drive all the way in and only decide to U-turn if you don't like where the road is heading to." this analogy is wrong dude. get a better one.

"No, in current society, it's not recommended/encouraged for 2 people of opposing sex to share happy times in private space"
current society? which current society and what cultural context are we talking here? u never had fren of opposite sex just to talk to about something private? from your argument i totally understand your mindset. i do agree that to PREVENT anything untoward happening prudent measures should be taken. but i have to put forth the argument that as a person, we should use our intellect before doing anything.
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Dude, be real and consider the circumstances.

A foreigner she met not long ago.
Alcohol.
Private space.

I'm not saying you can't have a talk with opposite sex, but consider the circumstances. The world is not black and white.
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 09:51 AM)
so J1g54w when girls ask u to go to their house for a dinner, that mean they are ready for whatever fetish you have in mind?

rape, whips..candles...torture...nail pulling...knee cap breaking and finger cutting?

coz the girls should have common sense NOT to invite you to her house if she dont want all that right? RIGHT?
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J1g54w so how many girl have invited you to their house for a meal?

what you did with them after the meal?

can share?


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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:53 AM)
Dude, be real and consider the circumstances.

A foreigner she met not long ago.
Alcohol.
Private space.

I'm not saying you can't have a talk with opposite sex, but consider the circumstances. The world is not black and white.
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so J1g54w when girls ask u to go to their house for a dinner, that mean they are ready for whatever fetish you have in mind?

rape, whips..candles...torture...nail pulling...knee cap breaking and finger cutting?

coz the girls should have common sense NOT to invite you to her house if she dont want all that right? RIGHT?
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You know we have lots of Pak Arab in our university right, they make it as their sex den and tackling whoever comes to their sight in the campus, men or lady.

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QUOTE(pandah @ Nov 3 2020, 10:46 AM)
of course they can, but reality is such that not everyone is a saint, and that man choose to abuse his strength, after an alcoholic influence, or may be even drugs, who knows.

he has since made it clear that he does not condone rape, it is just that the woman being too trusting to a newly known stranger is making things easier for the predator.

for the female buddy i have known for 20 years, sure can go to house late nite even her husband know i won't be doing shit, cuz they know me well. if i am just a new face like kenal last week, and then i am going to a woman's house at 12.30am with alcohol, i don't think it even make sense for most people. May be in japan they are mostly very polite or follow the law, but then this can not be applied to everyone.

it is not her fault for being raped. just that the precaution need to be taken with strangers.
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agreed.

besides. with the lockdown and everything. some people just want to talk. i think the bad guy watches to many movie/ series where the guy says he will take responsibility after doing the deed and calls her "wife" after that.
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 09:51 AM)
so J1g54w when girls ask u to go to their house for a dinner, that mean they are ready for whatever fetish you have in mind?

rape, whips..candles...torture...nail pulling...knee cap breaking and finger cutting?

coz the girls should have common sense NOT to invite you to her house if she dont want all that right? RIGHT?
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I won't do anything to her, but she cannot expect everyone is like me. You still don't understand my point.
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I won't do anything to her, but she cannot expect everyone is like me. You still don't understand my point.
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i got your point...its you that thought it is OK to blame the victim because she should expect the worst in every guy
right?

is tat what you're trying to say?
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 10:53 AM)
Dude, be real and consider the circumstances.

A foreigner she met not long ago.
Alcohol.
Private space.

I'm not saying you can't have a talk with opposite sex, but consider the circumstances. The world is not black and white.
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your previous statement makes it like the world is black and white dude.
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Surrounded by herbivore in JP and then comes to MY where the men mostly can take no for an answer, when you meet this handsome, decisive fella from YE, he's going to look like such a catch compared to those "losers".

Well ... winners expect certain treatment. That's the problem hmm.gif

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Pity her, at least now she knows MY is not safe at all ~
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your previous statement makes it like the world is black and white dude.
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Condolences to Japan-chan. Maybe she is not used to multicutural environment before and doesnt know how to slow down the train with the Yemen.

Japan-chan not at fault but how can she know Yemen low life dont like to play by the book.

If the Yemen is educated, he is not stuck in FnB work. My friend is from Yemen and he is the kindest cool guy I have ever met.

Before you invite men to minum alcohol at your house, always be vigilant.
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 09:51 AM)
so J1g54w when girls ask u to go to their house for a dinner, that mean they are ready for whatever fetish you have in mind?

rape, whips..candles...torture...nail pulling...knee cap breaking and finger cutting?

coz the girls should have common sense NOT to invite you to her house if she dont want all that right? RIGHT?
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dude, you are exaggerating la. he has a point you know. no, it's not the girl fault she got raped. it's all on the pak arab.
but the reality is, we live in a world that full of bad people. doesn't hurt to be more cautious
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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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QUOTE(Mr Belacan @ Nov 3 2020, 09:58 AM)
He thought going to her place means getting laid.

Hahaha.....
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 11:50 PM)
hurr durr... it's totally ok to date and invite a man to your house alone, have a good time eating food, getting drunk and everyone sing kumbaya go home. and sex doesn't have to be shitty. it's just sex.

again, i'm against rape that's definitely a crime and shitty thing to do, but as adults, everyone has a responsibiity to manage expectations and know the limit. the limit here is so far down, and then turned into a shitty person because you failed to manage expectations right before even inviting the guy.

you can't just push all the blame to the guy, brush off hands and go "ppl like u make world a shitty place to live".

take responsibility for every action.
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So given the same circumstances, you will rape the girl too? It's her fault she did not manage expectations
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Nov 3 2020, 09:59 AM)
dude, you are exaggerating la. he has a point you know. no, it's not the girl fault she got raped. it's all on the pak arab.
but the reality is, we live in a world that full of bad people. doesn't hurt to be more cautious
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Well, see below. You agreed with him


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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Nov 2 2020, 09:55 PM)
Why not

It's only food and alcohol. Everybody loves good food and alcohol.
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I saw lot of rape cases where the rapist say cannot control themselves after got drunk

So still say alcohol is good by inviting a guy night at your home and expect no sex/rape??
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On the other hand, they had bigger preference toward westerners/ang moh or anyone who is not Asian origin.

They generally (not all) seems to have look down on Asian. Of cos there is some examples around in which this logic does not apply.
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so J1g54w when girls ask u to go to their house for a dinner, that mean they are ready for whatever fetish you have in mind?

rape, whips..candles...torture...nail pulling...knee cap breaking and finger cutting?

coz the girls should have common sense NOT to invite you to her house if she dont want all that right? RIGHT?
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That is right, acoording to him it is a package

QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 11:40 PM)
i don't know which holier-than-thou world you guys live in, but for me if 1 man + 1 woman + food + alcohol = sex. otherwise don't even go there.
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Also if there's no alcohol, how to make the excuse "I'm not usually like this?" rclxms.gif

Want alcohol, but also want complete control - and the excuse that it's not if something wrong happens. icon_idea.gif

Plus both also drunk, how come only one side got assaulted? Both can't consent hmm.gif

QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 3 2020, 10:02 AM)
I saw lot of rape cases where the rapist say cannot control themselves after got drunk

So still say alcohol is good by inviting a guy night at your home and expect no sex/rape??
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need to start slow. don't direct say wanna sex! see her hints, and give to her hints


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Dare to say such statement, you will get criticised ... because some people want to hide preference, get surrounded by many other guys, ask for goods and dates, but will never be official because "I like you as a friend" (that gets me things, pays for our dates, but will never be physical with me). icon_idea.gif

Remember, this fella started seeing her 28 October, then no problem turn up outside the house and let in with alcohol. Cannot brain. If see his photo and is handsome, you know I know la ...

QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 3 2020, 10:04 AM)
On the other hand, they had bigger preference toward westerners/ang moh or anyone who is not Asian origin.

They generally (not all) seems to have look down on Asian. Of cos there is some examples around in which this logic does not apply.
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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Nov 3 2020, 10:08 AM)
Also if there's no alcohol, how to make the excuse "I'm not usually like this?" rclxms.gif

Want alcohol, but also want complete control - and the excuse that it's not if something wrong happens. icon_idea.gif

Plus both also drunk, how come only one side got assaulted? Both can't consent hmm.gif
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eee mana ada ang mo and middle eastern pipu smile2 at you without thinking to slip into your pants......

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 10:01 AM)
Well, see below. You agreed with him
food, alcohol, sex is a package, unless it's a family/lame people gathering lel
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No, i dun agree on the package thing. All I am saying that we need to be cautious in this kind of scenario. doesn't matter, pak arab, locals, male or female.
the world full of shit ppl
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dude, you are exaggerating la. he has a point you know. no, it's not the girl fault she got raped. it's all on the pak arab.
but the reality is, we live in a world that full of bad people. doesn't hurt to be more cautious
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yea.i know the girl need to be caustious

but i dont see why someone needs to be blame when they are already the victim

as if being the victim aint bad enough


coz one day, something bad will happen to one of us...and it would be sad to be blame for not taking further precaution

everyone's level of cautiousness are different..so someone out there , like ji5s4w will foresee it is always the victims fault as if only 'more' precaution was applied...

the girl got rape in this case? she should not invite another guy to her place

the girl that nearly got rape because she smile to a My officer she should not smile to random strangers

the girl that went to work alone and got rape? well if only she work online at home that would be fine.

that baby got raped in hospital? why la she's alone in a hospital? she should be next to her mum at all times.

the woman that got raped by a lawyer when she's seeking divorce fillings? why la she want divorce kan got husband is a good thing

and the fucking list never ends
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:17 AM)
that is fantasy thinking in an ideal world. but let's be real you know i know this is not how the world works. laws are in place yes, but if you play with people's feelings, expect to get burned. all you white knights need to look at the situation objectively based on reality, not based on a fantasy society you wish exist.
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You are sick. Playing with people'e feeling? The fuck do u know about it in this situation. Thinking exactly like those religion followers where : "If you insult my prophet, I KILL YAAA!" a.k.a. people with a paper-thin ego.

If you cannot understand basic decency where a girl said no and it means no, you are a dangerous scum to be around with. This world is understandably shitty thanks to sickos like you supporting a potential criminal. She may have made a mistake but to blame it on her is just fucked up.
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 3 2020, 10:02 AM)
I saw lot of rape cases where the rapist say cannot control themselves after got drunk

So still say alcohol is good by inviting a guy night at your home and expect no sex/rape??
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because alcohol is jst a convinient excuse

if there's no alcohol..then porn will be replacement

if no porn then probably the figure of the girl got me tempted

if not the figure of the girl then maybe the smell of her perfume triggered me


everyone's looking for a convinient excuse when they got caught


u remember what the cinema shooter claim after he shot few ppl in US cinema? someone's popcorn triggered him...

ppl like that jst need an excuse..and any silly excuse to them sounds perfectly logical


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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 10:12 AM)
yea.i know the girl need to be caustious

but i dont see why someone needs to be blame when they are already the victim

as if being the victim aint bad enough
coz one day, something bad will happen to one of us...and it would be sad to be blame for not taking further precaution

everyone's level of cautiousness are different..so someone out there , like ji5s4w will foresee it is always the victims fault as if only 'more' precaution was applied...

the girl got rape in this case? she should not invite another guy to her place

the girl that nearly got rape because she smile to a My officer she should not smile to random strangers

the girl that went to work alone and got rape? well if only she work online at home that would be fine.

that baby got raped in hospital? why la she's alone in a hospital? she should be next to her mum at all times.

the woman that got raped by a lawyer when she's seeking divorce fillings? why la she want divorce kan got husband is a good thing


and the fucking list never ends
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said no one ever
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You are sick. Playing with people'e feeling? The fuck do u know about it in this situation. Thinking exactly like those religion followers where : "If you insult my prophet, I KILL YAAA!" a.k.a. people with a paper-thin ego.

If you cannot understand basic decency where a girl said no and it means no, you are a dangerous scum to be around with. This world is understandably shitty thanks to sickos like you supporting a potential criminal. She may have made a mistake but to blame it on her is just fucked up.
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bolded - that's fucking true

human should have the decency to control themselves and if they cant, they ought to be punished

victim blaming is NEVER the fucking solution as it will never end


case in point..inb4 self quote squidward :

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yea.i know the girl need to be caustious

but i dont see why someone needs to be blame when they are already the victim

as if being the victim aint bad enough


coz one day, something bad will happen to one of us...and it would be sad to be blame for not taking further precaution

everyone's level of cautiousness are different..so someone out there , like ji5s4w will foresee it is always the victims fault as if only 'more' precaution was applied...

the girl got rape in this case? she should not invite another guy to her place

the girl that nearly got rape because she smile to a My officer she should not smile to random strangers

the girl that went to work alone and got rape? well if only she work online at home that would be fine.

that baby got raped in hospital? why la she's alone in a hospital? she should be next to her mum at all times.

the woman that got raped by a lawyer when she's seeking divorce fillings? why la she want divorce kan got husband is a good thing

and the fucking list never ends


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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Nov 3 2020, 10:15 AM)
said no one ever
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what you mean?

as my 1st example....ji5s4w jst supported that claim

for the rest of the real incident..i can find the tered in /k and share if u want

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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 11:40 PM)
i don't know which holier-than-thou world you guys live in, but for me if 1 man + 1 woman + food + alcohol = sex. otherwise don't even go there.
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why stop at sex?

some ppl like ed kemper felt chopping off a girl's head and have sex with the detached head is normal

so we should apply that as part of the expectation also?

or charles manson for sex with rotten bodies?

or jeffrey dahmer that like to have sex only after the body is lifeless?

so that's the expectation we should be managing also?
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QUOTE(jimliew @ Nov 3 2020, 10:00 AM)
So given the same circumstances, you will rape the girl too? It's her fault she did not manage expectations
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no, then again, it's also her responsibility to not expect everyone behaves like saint.

when i reach a crossroad and traffic light turns green on me, i will still watch out for 'uncivilized' motorists making surprise moves from the connecting roads even though it's not wrong for me to just drive straight, and law is on my side. because i don't assume/expect the whole world to be civilized.

prevent accident from happening is more important than being right, in case you haven't realized.
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so what other expectation i should be expecting J1g54w?

and does the line stop at YOUR expectation?

or Ted Bundy's expectation?

or Muhammad Rizalman expectation that smiling means a yes for sex?

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Rape is rape lah, drink alcohol is not the cause.

Do u see drunk ppl go on raping spree? Don't be sohai.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 10:25 AM)
no, then again, it's also her responsibility to not expect everyone behaves like saint.

when i reach a crossroad and traffic light turns green on me, i will still watch out for 'uncivilized' motorists making surprise moves from the connecting roads even though it's not wrong for me to just drive straight, and law is on my side. because i don't assume/expect the whole world to be civilized.

prevent accident from happening is more important than being right, in case you haven't realized.
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so you're ok when that happen and ppl blame you?

whether you didnt stop and proceed coz its green light and you got blame for not lookin first?

or tat you stopped to look eventho its green light and you got bang from car behind because why la you go stop when its green light?

so on both occasion its OK for you to share the blame because you're 'wrong'?
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Crash of different world.

In Japan, normal to drink with friends/colleague even at home ... but the arab may think differently
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:56 PM)
food, alcohol, sex is a package, unless it's a family/lame people gathering lel
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Tell this to the judge
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J1g54w, remember.. YOU do not need to rape a girl if she invite you over for a meal...or a movie..or jst a chit chat....

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I wonder if there will be a picture of a man tells his daughter this.

There are women rapists too.

There was this super major feminist in Malaysia, Creatrix Tiara. Talks about how Malaysian men sex-crazed and misogynist.

Migrate to Australia got raped by lesbian. icon_idea.gif

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Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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Ban of alcohol was introduced quite late. It was issued after the Hijrah to Madinah after some Sahabah mess up his quran reciting during prayer due to drinking alcohol before prayer
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J1g54w, remember.. YOU do not need to rape a girl if she invite you over for a meal...or a movie..or jst a chit chat....
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No it is a package

QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 11:40 PM)
i don't know which holier-than-thou world you guys live in, but for me if 1 man + 1 woman + food + alcohol = sex. otherwise don't even go there.
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last time i went to ara damasansra for netflix and chill. at the end didn't happen. diu wasted my time and petrol.
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Didn't read your previous posts, but just based on this statement, you should thank your lucky stars nothing happened, if not you could be in lockup lol
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:28 AM)
nothing to do with lost cause. it's accepting the harsh reality of society and take responsibility for our own behaviors when dealing with other people.
you're sadder if keep living in fantasy world bubble. and as usual resorting to personal attacks like a smart man you are.
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All I gather was that your reality of the world is that a girl deserved to be raped if she has food and alcohol with a man in her house. Jeezuz, just let that sink in.

Of course, there are much sickier people compared to you that will and has raped girls based on their thrashy assumption that EVEN when she says no, you can still slap, molest and rape her. You are half the problem by supporting this "reality" and subsequently normalizing this obscene thinking.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:51 PM)
If don't want sex, don't invite a guy to your apartment at night with food and alcohol. I'm saying this regardless whether the guy raped her or not.

It's just a shitty behavior to lead someone on then shit on them.

But that guy is damn cibai for failing to control himself also.
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 10:27 AM)
so you're ok when that happen and ppl blame you?

whether you didnt stop and proceed coz its green light and you got blame for not lookin first?

or tat you stopped to look eventho its green light and you got bang from car behind because why la you go stop when its green light?

so on both occasion its OK for you to share the blame because you're 'wrong'?
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I didn't say i stop at green light moron. i said "watch out", that's the word i used.

and I didn't say 'blame' the victim either. I said people need to take certain responsibility for their actions.

and I totally agree that man shouldn't have raped, and rape is wrong.


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One thing to note that it is normal for Japanese to invite others to their house for hospitality, doesn't necessary directly meant sex.

I have quite a number of Japanese friends and thus I know this as I was kinda shocked that lady I knew only few days ago invited me to their house just to chill.

Of course there's certain level of interests of the other person (as a friend or potential relationship partner).

They are not vigilant enough that this should only be done for another Japanese and not other nationals, and absolutely not middle eastern fcukers


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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 10:31 AM)
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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Nov 3 2020, 10:10 AM)
Dare to say such statement, you will get criticised ... because some people want to hide preference, get surrounded by many other guys, ask for goods and dates, but will never be official because "I like you as a friend" (that gets me things, pays for our dates, but will never be physical with me). icon_idea.gif

Remember, this fella started seeing her 28 October, then no problem turn up outside the house and let in with alcohol. Cannot brain. If see his photo and is handsome, you know I know la ...
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 10:39 AM)
I didn't say i stop at green light moron. i said "watch out", that's the word i used.

and I didn't say 'blame' the victim either. I said people need to take certain responsibility for their actions.

and I totally agree that man shouldn't have raped, and rape is wrong.
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read the bolded part real slow moron

you jst used a different alternative to imply one as a victim

and yes - we know you say rape is wrong..jst that the victim need to bear the blame as well become food + girl + alcohol = sex to you right?

but does the buck stop there?

can we go for good + girl = sex, too?

or what about girl = sex?

that should simplify things shouldnt it?


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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 10:39 AM)
I didn't say i stop at green light moron. i said "watch out", that's the word i used.

and I didn't say 'blame' the victim either. I said people need to take certain responsibility for their actions.

and I totally agree that man shouldn't have raped, and rape is wrong.
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but conclusion is you are still OK when ppl blame you right?

whether its 'watch out' green light

or fuck it green light i am stopping 1st

you are still OK with the 2 scenarios i gave where you are to be blame as well correct?

that if u stop or even slow down on green light to make sure no oncoming cars and got bang from car behind you, you're wrong for stopping/slowing down right?


or that you dint stop/slow down because its green light for you and got hit by an oncoming car that broke the law, YOU Are still partially wrong right? and hence should bear the blame as well for not stopping even when its green light for you. right? RIGHT????

because every victim should shoulder some blame and responsibility right? RIGHT????

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i don't know which holier-than-thou world you guys live in, but for me if 1 man + 1 woman + food + alcohol = sex. otherwise don't even go there.
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because what else is there besides Sex when all 4 equations are involved

so you ever stay at home chilling out having dinner with your mum and some beer then poof..you're fuking your mum right? RIGHT???
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I saw lot of rape cases where the rapist say cannot control themselves after got drunk

So still say alcohol is good by inviting a guy night at your home and expect no sex/rape??
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If cannot control yourself then don't fucking drink

Just like drunk drivers.

If cannot driver properly when drunk then don't fucking drink.


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Arab tu bangsa,islam tu agama...same like chinese or indian tapi kristian
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 10:35 AM)
All I gather was that your reality of the world is that a girl deserved to be raped if she has food and alcohol with a man in her house. Jeezuz, just let that sink in.

Of course, there are much sickier people compared to you that will and has raped girls based on their thrashy assumption that EVEN when she says no, you can still slap, molest and rape her. You are half the problem by supporting this "reality" and subsequently normalizing this obscene thinking.
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Let me make this clear again. I DON'T SUPPORT RAPE. RAPE IS WRONG.

And I did not use the words 'deserved to be raped'.

My point is she had certain level of responsibility to not lead a foreign man she barely knows on, and then consuming alcohol in a private space.

Maybe you guys are just dumb so I will put this in simple words for you to understand:

Rapist 101% at fault no matter what.
Victim certain level at fault given the CIRCUMSTANCES (meeting a foreign man who is not a close friend, consumed alcohol in private space).

I will give you an example, if a woman is in a crowded restaurant, and a man jumps on her and rape her there in front of all the people, then the woman bears no responsibility for the tragedy because under that CIRCUMSTANCES, it's a freak tragedy. But in this case, the woman has a certain level of responsibility.

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PAS logic....she asked for it
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what J1g54w mean is, if she din wan it to happen, she can be more cautious

he din blame it on her, just say that she can do better to put herself in safer place
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Nov 2 2020, 10:04 PM)
come to apartment at night
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QUOTE(undentifiedKC @ Nov 3 2020, 10:53 AM)
what J1g54w mean is, if she din wan it to happen, she can be more cautious

he din blame it on her, just say that she can do better to put herself in safer place
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thank you!

by all means, those who thinks the world is a fantasy place just because there are laws and people are expected to behave, please send your women/girls to travel alone in New Delhi and walk in alleys at night.

because circumstances don't matter right? no need to take responsibility if anything happens.
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QUOTE(undentifiedKC @ Nov 3 2020, 10:53 AM)
what J1g54w mean is, if she din wan it to happen, she can be more cautious

he din blame it on her, just say that she can do better to put herself in safer place
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He said

Man + women + alcohol = sex


It is a package
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 10:56 AM)
thank you!

by all means, those who thinks the world is a fantasy place just because there are laws and people are expected to behave, please send your women/girls to travel alone in New Delhi and walk in alleys at night.

because circumstances don't matter right? no need to take responsibility if anything happens.
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Ya kah like below. Is what you said

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i don't know which holier-than-thou world you guys live in, but for me if 1 man + 1 woman + food + alcohol = sex. otherwise don't even go there.
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Ya kah like below. Is what you said
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Actually yes she does not need take responsibility over what happened, because she has no control over what that dude would do.
But sadly she has to live with the outcome.
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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 09:40 PM)
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 11:01 AM)
Ya kah like below. Is what you said
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Yes I said that when the conversation was more casual. I'm perfectly capable of handling myself with alcohol, but I'm not naive to not know that alcohol can lead to people doing stupid things.

For example I won't let my woman to invite a foreign man she barely knows to her place all alone, have alcohol and expect nothing wrong can happen.

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 11:01 AM)
Ya kah like below. Is what you said
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i'm neutral in all means, maybe he misinterpret his words and meaning, but y would we wants to catching on others ppl mistake

if he really means it, y would he keep on defending himself? he can just say it and walk away since here is just internet


if u wan to continue on this, pls go ahead


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Yup correct.

When you have to spell it out like that, already known and proven Malaysian education only good at producing people who can see in black and white, can't see mitigating circumstances and avoidable situations, die die won't make ownself hard target. icon_idea.gif

Quite sad. Have internet and smartphone, but lots of dumb people. hmm.gif

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Let me make this clear again. I DON'T SUPPORT RAPE. RAPE IS WRONG.

And I did not use the words 'deserved to be raped'.

My point is she had certain level of responsibility to not lead a foreign man she barely knows on, and then consuming alcohol in a private space.

Maybe you guys are just dumb so I will put this in simple words for you to understand:

Rapist 101% at fault no matter what.
Victim certain level at fault given the CIRCUMSTANCES (meeting a foreign man who is not a close friend, consumed alcohol in private space).

I will give you an example, if a woman is in a crowded restaurant, and a man jumps on her and rape her there in front of all the people, then the woman bears no responsibility for the tragedy because under that CIRCUMSTANCES, it's a freak tragedy. But in this case, the woman has a certain level of responsibility.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 10:56 AM)
thank you!

by all means, those who thinks the world is a fantasy place just because there are laws and people are expected to behave, please send your women/girls to travel alone in New Delhi and walk in alleys at night.

because circumstances don't matter right? no need to take responsibility if anything happens.
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+999, ur point is spot on, its like those rich ppl wear gold chains, gold necklace etc go out, do u see those rich ppl wear whole body also gold accesories go out walk around the streets?
no right? why? because they scared kena robbed, but they have all the RIGHTS to wear everything gold and go out, why are they still afraid of the robbers and keep all their golds at home and be low profile when going out? because the robber doesnt care about these bullshits RIGHTS they have right?
and whenever a rich person gets robbed, the first thing ppl will say is "padan muka la who ask him/her to so bodoh wear expensive golds when going out, ownelf know outside so many robbers then be low profile abit la be more cautious next time la"

but when a lady is not cautious and invited a man into her house with liquor, then many bodoh here gets triggered when u pointed out that the girl needs to be more cautious and keep say u blaming victim, wtf man
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 10:14 AM)
because alcohol is jst a convinient excuse

if there's no alcohol..then porn will be replacement

if no porn then probably the figure of the girl got me tempted

if not the figure of the girl then maybe the smell of her perfume triggered me
everyone's looking for a convinient excuse when they got caught
u remember what the cinema shooter claim after he shot few ppl in US cinema? someone's popcorn triggered him...

ppl like that jst need an excuse..and any silly excuse to them sounds perfectly logical
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Its not an excuse

Lot of law all over the world put “intoxicated by alcohol” as one of the reason for people to lost control hence the accused will get lesser charge

Only recently lot of countries amend their law to void this for traffic related offence including Malaysia

But sadly lot of other charges like assault, rape and abuse the lawyer still can use the “drunk” card to get lesser charge
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Also the other fun part is ... people can agree that rich person have to contribute to society and give away the money ... but ... if you can say pretty girl have to contribute the beauty by share piap for social stability brows.gif

One kind of sharing is ok, the other one will get you reported.

QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 11:29 AM)
+999, ur point is spot on, its like those rich ppl wear gold chains, gold necklace etc go out, do u see those rich ppl wear whole body also gold accesories go out walk around the streets?
no right? why? because they scared kena robbed, but they have all the RIGHTS to wear everything gold and go out, why are they still afraid of the robbers and keep all their golds at home and be low profile when going out? because the robber doesnt care about these bullshits RIGHTS they have right?
and whenever a rich person gets robbed, the first thing ppl will say is "padan muka la who ask him/her to so bodoh wear expensive golds when going out, ownelf know outside so many robbers then be low profile abit la be more cautious next time la"

but when a lady is not cautious and invited a man into her house with liquor, then many bodoh here gets triggered when u pointed out that the girl needs to be more cautious and keep say u blaming victim, wtf man
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Middle east so must be muslim. Seriously wei...? Ktard takkan bodo sgt
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:07 PM)
I know the victim, a Japanese actually

A friend's friend

Too innocent thinking here it as safe as it is at Japan actually
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which idiot go report my post, mod pls permaban that idiot, probably a strawberry that cannot handle the truth
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Same here. Strawberry and white knights aplenty, but scared to be in the open.

QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 11:51 AM)
which idiot go report my post, mod pls permaban that idiot, probably a strawberry that cannot handle the truth
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Same here. Strawberry and white knights aplenty, but scared to be in the open.
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which idiot go report my post, mod pls permaban that idiot, probably a strawberry that cannot handle the truth
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u can say rich ppl not being cautious when they got robbed,
u can say naive ppl not being cautious when they got scammed
u can say poor ppl not being cautious/thinking ahead when they cannot feed 10 kids but still give birth to so many kids

BUT u cannot say a girl not being cautious when she got raped, because everything a girl do is right, she have every RIGHT to do whatever she wants!! u cannot say a single bad thing about them!! girl is always right!!

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1. There are people who cannot say no firmly.
2. The man could be quite forceful , ” just some food i brought let's eat”
3. The girl may think I'll eat and get him out.
4 but man forced himself on her.
Just a possible scenario.

According to jigsaw, she is partly responsible for being raped
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QUOTE(jimliew @ Nov 3 2020, 12:24 PM)
1. There are people who cannot say no firmly.
2. The man could be quite forceful , ” just some food i brought let's eat”
3. The girl may think I'll  eat and get him out.
4 but man forced himself on her.
Just a possible scenario.

According to jigsaw, she is partly responsible for being raped
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It is a package, you accept food then you must agree to have sex
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QUOTE(jimliew @ Nov 3 2020, 12:24 PM)
1. There are people who cannot say no firmly.
2. The man could be quite forceful , ” just some food i brought let's eat”
3. The girl may think I'll  eat and get him out.
4 but man forced himself on her.
Just a possible scenario.

According to jigsaw, she is partly responsible for being raped
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As a grown adult, you have responsibility to be careful with people you deal with. If you have trouble saying no, better learn fast. It saves lives.
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As a grown adult, you have responsibility to be careful with people you deal with. If you have trouble saying no, better learn fast. It saves lives.
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So that's payment for learning
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Nov 3 2020, 11:37 AM)
Middle east so must be muslim. Seriously wei...? Ktard takkan bodo sgt
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So that's payment for learning
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Different things happen to different people in different circumstances. It's a tragedy but that's how tragedy happens, as with drivers who crashed expecting people not beating the red light, aunty who transfer money into a scammer's account expecting forever love, couple married to each other expecting mutual fidelity, rich man showing off his luxury car, bag full of cash and gold necklace/watch down the street expecting world is peaceful with no robbers, etc.


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QUOTE(joedpa82 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:18 AM)
your statement is misleading. food sex alcohol is not a package.

this is a man who wanted to rape. he came with the intention to get some action on the woman.
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He thinks by using alcohol as an excuse to take advantage of that jap girl. (just like namewee always did? drink beer kutuk n talk cock) wink3.gif
Which comes to my next comment on Jap girl ->


QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 09:19 AM)
stop white knighting. any self-respecting woman will know where to draw the lines when it comes to 1v1 interaction with a man.
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That Jap girl is probably too naive to think that new friend wont do things like this. Younger generation ppl, never second guess on how dirty human nature can be sometimes. innocent.gif

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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 3 2020, 11:32 AM)
Its not an excuse

Lot of law all over the world put “intoxicated by alcohol” as one of the reason for people to lost control hence the accused will get lesser charge

Only recently lot of countries amend their law to void this for traffic related offence including Malaysia

But sadly lot of other charges like assault, rape and abuse the lawyer still can use the “drunk” card to get lesser charge
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Really would like to see evidence of this.

In rape cases, intoxication cannot be used as defense.
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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Nov 2 2020, 10:40 PM)
Pak Arab boleh minum arak?
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QUOTE(delon85 @ Nov 3 2020, 01:02 PM)
Really would like to see evidence of this.

In rape cases, intoxication cannot be used as defense.
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Nah, he just BS, diminishing responsibility only can use in case like murder where you need to prove intent. So being stoned or drunk is not a defence for rape and etc


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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 01:06 PM)
Nah, he just BS, diminishing responsibility only can use in case like murder where you need to prove intent. So being stoned or drunk is not a defence for rape and etc
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There was this super major feminist in Malaysia, Creatrix Tiara. Talks about how Malaysian men sex-crazed and misogynist.

Migrate to Australia got raped by lesbian. icon_idea.gif
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Remember this famous Bible saying:

"For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."

Like in Raiders of the Lost Ark ... see the magnificent divine creation of Creatrix Tiara and your body melts away brows.gif

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QUOTE(gunnerah @ Nov 3 2020, 01:13 PM)
I regret googling that name.

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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 3 2020, 11:32 AM)
Its not an excuse

Lot of law all over the world put “intoxicated by alcohol” as one of the reason for people to lost control hence the accused will get lesser charge

Only recently lot of countries amend their law to void this for traffic related offence including Malaysia

But sadly lot of other charges like assault, rape and abuse the lawyer still can use the “drunk” card to get lesser charge
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i doubt thats true

jst because alcohol was used as a reason, the punishment doesnt diminished or become less severe

but it would be nice if there's a sample of comparison
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 10:51 AM)
Let me make this clear again. I DON'T SUPPORT RAPE. RAPE IS WRONG.

And I did not use the words 'deserved to be raped'.

My point is she had certain level of responsibility to not lead a foreign man she barely knows on, and then consuming alcohol in a private space.

Maybe you guys are just dumb so I will put this in simple words for you to understand:

Rapist 101% at fault no matter what.
Victim certain level at fault given the CIRCUMSTANCES (meeting a foreign man who is not a close friend, consumed alcohol in private space).

I will give you an example, if a woman is in a crowded restaurant, and a man jumps on her and rape her there in front of all the people, then the woman bears no responsibility for the tragedy because under that CIRCUMSTANCES, it's a freak tragedy. But in this case, the woman has a certain level of responsibility.
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I fundamentally 101% disagree with you that the women is at fault at all based on the information from the news article. For those who thinks it's an obvious prelude to bang bang time, shame on you for thinking it's always for that purpose. Never mind, let's assume this sick assumption is valid for argument's sake. So, does that mean that she can't change her mind and prevent the final outcome? Like for example: she realized he is a psycho or etc. Are there any sort of agreement that they must do it? Can't you see that it's just an assumption that the guy can have sex with her with force? However ridiculous that is because she already said no?

You said you did not used the words: "she deserved to be raped" but this is what you said verbatim.

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I said she needs to take a certain level of responsibility and not totally faultless.

No, in current society, it's not recommended/encouraged for 2 people of opposing sex to share happy times in private space. Unless you're ready to get intimate.

She had to say no before inviting the guy to her house, not no after bouts of alcohol. If you are driving on a road and see a dead end at a gate with NO ENTRY sign, you U-turn right there and then, not drive all the way in and only decide to U-turn if you don't like where the road is heading to.


Again, your bottom line is she is also at fault in this situation hence the final outcome. Can't you see that the aggressor is the one committing the crime? Not her? Is there a crime of seduction? Crime of eating together privately with a certain punishment? Sick thinking!

This is not white knighting btw. I don't know her and girls don't know me here. I merely have an issue with your thinking.





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“Preliminary investigations showed that the two had only known each other from Oct 28 onwards and that the suspect owns an Arab restaurant near where the complainant stayed.


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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 01:23 PM)
I fundamentally 101% disagree with you that the women is at fault at all based on the information from the news article. For those who thinks it's an obvious prelude to bang bang time, shame on you for thinking it's always for that purpose. Never mind, let's assume this sick assumption is valid for argument's sake. So, does that mean that she can't change her mind and prevent the final outcome? Like for example: she realized he is a psycho or etc. Are there any sort of agreement that they must do it? Can't you see that it's just an assumption that the guy can have sex with her with force? However ridiculous that is because she already said no?

You said you did not used the words: "she deserved to be raped" but this is what you said verbatim.
Again, your bottom line is she is also at fault in this situation hence the final outcome. Can't you see that the aggressor is the one committing the crime? Not her? Is there a crime of seduction? Crime of eating together privately with a certain punishment? Sick thinking!

This is not white knighting btw. I don't know her and girls don't know me here. I merely have an issue with your thinking.
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Please read the whole thread. You will get my point, and if you don’t, you don’t.

Rapist is wrong everyone in the thread agrees.

The woman is totally not wrong, some agree, I don’t. It's that simple. As an adult she is partly responsible for the circumstance. Would you allow your daughter to invite a foreign man she barely knows to her own house alone and drink alcohol, even when she said it’s only “chit chat”?

You can disagree with me, I can disagree with you too.

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QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 12:06 PM)
u can say rich ppl not being cautious when they got robbed, 
u can say naive ppl not being cautious when they got scammed
u can say poor ppl not being cautious/thinking ahead when they cannot feed 10 kids but still give birth to so many kids

BUT u cannot say a girl not being cautious when she got raped, because everything a girl do is right, she have every RIGHT to do whatever she wants!! u cannot say a single bad thing about them!! girl is always right!!
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This is another gross yet acceptable thinking where somehow the victim becomes at fault as well. Listen, it's not the fault of rich people or naive people when they got robbed and scammed. (Can't believe I needed to say that.) Luckily, modern judiciary system knows this so the victim are not being punished alongside the accused. It's not practical to define how cautious can one be because nobody's perfect plus they always stronger, smarter and more well-prepared robbers and scammers.


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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:23 PM)
If I'm not wrong it is a Yemen dude and tackled her at a restaurant then they went for a date

Eventually it leads to I believe the lady inviting the dude back to her house just for food / drinks but of course the dude expected it is an invitation for sex even after rejection he still prowls on it

Later at the morning, while the dude is fast asleep, she sneaked out, took all the phone/wallet/keys and locked the door and went out to reported the police

Something like that, I may not get everything correct though

Poor thing just came to Malaysia to work but end up like this actually
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Inviting a guy to your place just 1 day after knowing him either means she is simply too naive or that she is actually looking for something fun but it did not turn out the way she expected like maybe he was not very hygienic or got bad breadth etc..... she might be really rejecting him at that moment but the guy thought she was just acting ...
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 01:18 PM)
i doubt thats true

jst because alcohol was used as a reason, the punishment doesnt diminished or become less severe

but it would be nice if there's a sample of comparison
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 08:47 AM)
Too much JAV until he think every Japanese women will have sex with him
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 01:32 PM)
Please read the whole thread. You will get my point, and if you don’t, you don’t.

Rapist is wrong everyone in the thread agrees.

The woman is totally not wrong, some agree, I don’t. It's that simple. As an adult she is partly responsible for the circumstance. Would you allow your daughter to invite a foreign man she barely knows to her own house alone and drink alcohol, even when she said it’s only “chit chat”?

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If my daughter were her, I will not blame her. Let's assume she had the intention to have sex with him but for some reason, she decides not to at the last minute. Yet, the guys just forces onto her. I know clearly who is at fault. She is never wrong for doing things which are perfectly legal. We have to take responsibility for our actions so in this case, the rapist is the one who did it one-sidedly.


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both of you should read what you typed again... you are still assuming that people should not do certain things, the world doesn't work this way. the REAL world doesn't.

your 'assumed' world is a fantasy peaceful ideal world that we all want, but unfortunately in reality it's not the case.

your rights and the laws mean nothing when someone wants to stab a knife in your face just because you bumped on him at the streets. still don't understand??
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Dude, simple la, u as a guy of course if girl invite you to their house alone you mind would think of sex and you’d surely try but if the girl pushes you away then any sane guy would stop. It doesn’t kill to be patient. She reject u once means just try again, no need to force.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 2 2020, 09:51 PM)
If don't want sex, don't invite a guy to your apartment at night with food and alcohol. I'm saying this regardless whether the guy raped her or not.

It's just a shitty behavior to lead someone on then shit on them.

But that guy is damn cibai for failing to control himself also.
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QUOTE(delon85 @ Nov 3 2020, 01:02 PM)
Really would like to see evidence of this.

In rape cases, intoxication cannot be used as defense.
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Just go watch any law series or google la

Lot of ppl get lesser charges during rape/assault/fight case if they say they got intoxicated either by alcohol or drug
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If my daughter were her, I will not blame her. Let's assume she had the intention to have sex with him but for some reason, she decides not to at the last minute. Yet, the guys just forces onto her. I know clearly who is at fault. She is never wrong for doing things which are perfectly legal. We have to take responsibility for our actions so in this case, the rapist is the one who did it one-sidedly.
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I never use the word “blame”, it sounds like 100% responsible for what happened. And I certainly don’t agree that the victim is to be “blamed” for being raped.

I said “certain level of responsibility”. And if that was my daughter, I won’t “blame” her either. But then I would not brush off the fact that she could have been more careful to not lead a man she barely knows into such situation.

Human interactions are never “one-sided” bro, there’s always a degree of interactions.


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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 01:54 PM)
If my daughter were her, I will not blame her. Let's assume she had the intention to have sex with him but for some reason, she decides not to at the last minute. Yet, the guys just forces onto her. I know clearly who is at fault. She is never wrong for doing things which are perfectly legal. We have to take responsibility for our actions so in this case, the rapist is the one who did it one-sidedly.
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So... if you want to buy a car, you put down RM500 deposit, and then suddenly choose not to buy the car, and the dealer don't want to give you back RM500, is whose fault?
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Nov 2 2020, 10:04 PM)
It's sounds more stupid that you came over a guy's house, had sex with him and claimed rape next morning.
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cannot... later she come also she claims rape. or she's not impressed with the sex and feels regret the next morning, again claims rape.
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i have came across this case before. end up rupanya the girl jealous thought that suspect got affair with another woman


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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 02:14 PM)
So... if you want to buy a car, you put down RM500 deposit, and then suddenly choose not to buy the car, and the dealer don't want to give you back RM500, is whose fault?
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It depends on whether you have done due diligence on the dealer background? Legit dealer?

Johor amoi went to do liposuction, expecting clinic to be legit, but in the end costed her life.

How do you want to live in this society? Take responsibility of yourself and be careful with people, or expect everyone behaves like a saint because there's law and religion to protect us?
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 3 2020, 02:07 PM)
Just go watch any law series or google la

Lot of ppl get lesser charges during rape/assault/fight case if they say they got intoxicated either by alcohol or drug
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I can't find any. So I thought you have your reference to prove your point.

You just bullshited that point like you always do huh
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It depends on whether you have done due diligence on the dealer background? Legit dealer?

Johor amoi went to do liposuction, expecting clinic to be legit, but in the end costed her life.

How do you want to live in this society? Take responsibility of yourself and be careful with people, or expect everyone behaves like a saint because there's law and religion to protect us?
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I disagree with you on some things, but I am always a proponent that people should be responsible for their own actions. If a slut gets raped, I'm not saying she's to blame, but she definitely shares the responsibility of getting herself into such a situation.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 01:56 PM)
Dude, simple la, u as a guy of course if girl invite you to their house alone you mind would think of sex and you’d surely try but if the girl pushes you away then any sane guy would stop. It doesn’t kill to be patient. She reject u once means just try again, no need to force.
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I totally agree. There's no argument that the guy is wrong for forcing himself on her. My argument comes from the woman's actions, and that as an adult in this not-so-perfect society where a lot of people want to take advantage of you (money, sex, etc), she's partly responsible for letting the circumstances take place.

I just disagree with the standpoint from some people that the woman bears ZERO responsibility for what happened.
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 01:38 PM)
This is another gross yet acceptable thinking where somehow the victim becomes at fault as well. Listen, it's not the fault of rich people or naive people when they got robbed and scammed. (Can't believe I needed to say that.) Luckily, modern judiciary system knows this so the victim are not being punished alongside the accused. It's not practical to define how cautious can one be because nobody's perfect plus they always stronger, smarter and more well-prepared robbers and scammers.
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look dude, let me just say it 1 more time since u are so noob to understand

when did i blame the victim? we are just discussing what can be done by the victim to avoid thee kind of thing from happening, so now ppl cant even comment on what can be done to prevent the rape? just because its rape then what?jangan persoal attitude? cannot even say the victim should be more cautious? what are u now? whats with your jangan persoal attitude?

if cannot even discuss about what prevention steps to avoid rape, then how can naive girls learn next time? more naive girls will fall trap to these kind of date rape? pls la, stop your bodo jangan persoal attitude la, we just say what precautions could have been done to prevent rape then u triggered like fuck say we blame victim la etc

u are the real problem here, not us
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We are talking about japanese victim here.

work is work, fun is fun, alcohol is alcohol, dinner is dinner, date is date,

and so therefore rape is rape.

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 02:14 PM)
So... if you want to buy a car, you put down RM500 deposit, and then suddenly choose not to buy the car, and the dealer don't want to give you back RM500, is whose fault?
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Jezuz, did she sign an agreement with the guy just like she will with the car dealer?
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I never use the word “blame”, it sounds like 100% responsible for what happened. And I certainly don’t agree that the victim is to be “blamed” for being raped.

I said “certain level of responsibility”. And if that was my daughter, I won’t “blame” her either. But then I would not brush off the fact that she could have been more careful to not lead a man she barely knows into such situation.

Human interactions are never “one-sided” bro, there’s always a degree of interactions.
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how you define the bolded part?

if she invited the guy to have a meal at some restaurant and her drink got spike..so i take it to you, she need to be held for some responsibility as well? because why even have a meal with another guy?

so where u draw the line? i am interested to know - please share the 'correct' interaction based on your method and perception of managing risks.
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Jezuz, did she sign an agreement with the guy just like she will with the car dealer?
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Depends, if she's all dolled up and grinding his crotch, level 99 cawk tease and then last minute say "no", then yes, she has somewhat entered an agreement of sorts.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 02:23 PM)
I totally agree. There's no argument that the guy is wrong for forcing himself on her. My argument comes from the woman's actions, and that as an adult in this not-so-perfect society where a lot of people want to take advantage of you (money, sex, etc), she's partly responsible for letting the circumstances take place.

I just disagree with the standpoint from some people that the woman bears ZERO responsibility for what happened.
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so that means if someone walks up to you and punch you in your face..you need to be held partially responsible as well because heyy, u should have managed expectation from that fella?


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QUOTE(eaglefly @ Nov 2 2020, 10:50 PM)
I more keen to know what race that girl is

In my condo alots of them bring cainis girl in room. Including my neighbour
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I think the japmoi is Chinese....
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 02:41 PM)
Depends, if she's all dolled up and grinding his crotch, level 99 cawk tease and then last minute say "no", then yes, she has somewhat entered an agreement of sorts.
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Some culture has very low regard of women right
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 01:23 PM)
Never mind, let's assume this sick assumption is valid for argument's sake. So, does that mean that she can't change her mind and prevent the final outcome? Like for example: she realized he is a psycho or etc. Are there any sort of agreement that they must do it? Can't you see that it's just an assumption that the guy can have sex with her with force? However ridiculous that is because she already said no?
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All ladies can practice asking these question:

1 do I know him enough to trust him and allow him to enter my house?
2 if I encounter unwanted behaviour, can I tell him to stop. Would he listen?
3 it things get worst can I physically defend myself?

If the answer is no, better choose a safer environment


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QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 02:30 PM)
look dude, let me just say it 1 more time since u are so noob to understand

when did i blame the victim? we are just discussing what can be done by the victim to avoid thee kind of thing from happening, so now ppl cant even comment on what can be done to prevent the rape? just because its rape then what?jangan persoal attitude? cannot even say the victim should be more cautious? what are u now? whats with your jangan persoal attitude?

if cannot even discuss about what prevention steps to avoid rape, then how can naive girls learn next time? more naive girls will fall trap to these kind of date rape? pls la, stop your bodo jangan persoal attitude la, we just say what precautions could have been done to prevent rape then u triggered like fuck say we blame victim la etc

u are the real problem here, not us
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Who's stopping you from saying anything? Relax.

I am focused on your points and so should you. No need to ramble so much about me.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 02:10 PM)
I never use the word “blame”, it sounds like 100% responsible for what happened. And I certainly don’t agree that the victim is to be “blamed” for being raped.

I said “certain level of responsibility”. And if that was my daughter, I won’t “blame” her either. But then I would not brush off the fact that she could have been more careful to not lead a man she barely knows into such situation.

Human interactions are never “one-sided” bro, there’s always a degree of interactions.
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Ok la, I am starting to feel that you are not a douche after all. I see the whole argument defined by perception of "values". To you, it's wrong to bring home a guy for such & such activities. To me, it's nothing wrong for girls to do so out of horniness, innocence or dumbness. However, legally - these are neither right not wrong.

What I am arguing is based on the law. What she did is definitely legal and the same cannot be said for the guy. That's the crux of the matter. Sincerely, cheers.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 02:42 PM)
Nope, a no is still no
Some culture has very low regard of women right
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 02:41 PM)
so that means if someone walks up to you and punch you in your face..you need to be held partially responsible as well because heyy, u should have managed expectation from that fella?
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if someone punch u in the open streets, he is fully responsible

but if u know this particular unsafe street is famous for random ppl punching pedestrians randomly and there is another safer road to take and no one will punch u BUT yet u still took this unsafe street because u wan to show that u have the right to take any road u want to, no one can stop u frm taking the road u like, then its partly your problem too cos u noe its a trap ppl will punch u yet u still throw urself into the trap

understand?

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Ok. I hope  you don't make "Why this year got no bonus!!!!" style posts in the next few months.
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Yeap, but why? How is tha related? Asking about bonus is not illegal. But rape is heinous crime only lowlife capable of
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 02:41 PM)
so that means if someone walks up to you and punch you in your face..you need to be held partially responsible as well because heyy, u should have managed expectation from that fella?
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Different circumstances. I did give the example where a woman in a crowded restaurant, if she was raped there, she bears no responsibility to what happened. Same with your random punch on the street.

The specific case we are talking about here, is a FOREIGN MAN she BARELY KNOWS, in a PRIVATE SPACE, consuming ALCOHOL.

Look, we can go on an on about this, but let's just agree to disagree.

You are on the woman bears ZERO responsibility to what happened.
My view is that she bears PART of the responsibility to what happened.

End of story.

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 02:14 PM)
So... if you want to buy a car, you put down RM500 deposit, and then suddenly choose not to buy the car, and the dealer don't want to give you back RM500, is whose fault?
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See black and white la

But invite ppl = sex, Ada black and white?


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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 02:41 PM)
Depends, if she's all dolled up and grinding his crotch, level 99 cawk tease and then last minute say "no", then yes, she has somewhat entered an agreement of sorts.
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We are only arguing based on the information at hand. No point using a certain fantasy to prove your point.
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Who's stopping you from saying anything? Relax.

I am focused on your points and so should you. No need to ramble so much about me.
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its like u have a daughter now, and u dont tell her things like ,"girl ah, dont simply go to stranger guy house or ajak guy into your house and drink liquor ar, its dangerous u know"

because saying this will make u feel like u are blaming ur daughter if she kena raped, and then u just allow her to do whatever she wants and she will learn her lesson after she really got raped?
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I can't find any. So I thought you have your reference to prove your point.

You just bullshited that point like you always do huh
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Your respond shows how shallow your knowledge of the law
Need to spoon feed everytime?

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Yeap, but why? How is tha related? Asking about bonus is not illegal. But rape is heinous crime only lowlife capable of
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Of course is related. Employer says "no" and "no means no".

QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Nov 3 2020, 02:49 PM)
See black and white la

But invite ppl = sex, Ada black and white?
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Ok... so when you have sex with someone, you don't have black and white, each time is considered rape? doh.gif

QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 02:49 PM)
We are only arguing based on the information at hand. No point using a certain fantasy to prove your point.
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Read the article. Arab man went to her home with food and alcohol the day before. I don't know about the rest of the country, but I know enough there is a high level of problems with Arab people.

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QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 02:52 PM)
its like u have a daughter now, and u dont tell her things like ,"girl ah, dont simply go to stranger guy house or ajak guy into your house and drink liquor ar, its dangerous u know"

because saying this will make u feel like u are blaming ur daughter if she kena raped, and then u just allow her to do whatever she wants and she will learn her lesson after she really got raped?
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I have no problem advising my daughter about hanging out with stranger yet I will not blame her if she does that and got raped. Do u see the point?


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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 02:54 PM)
Of course is related. Employer says "no" and "no means no".

Ok... so when you have sex with someone, you don't have black and white, each time is considered rape? doh.gif
Read the article. Arab man went to her home with food and alcohol the day before. I don't know about the rest of the country, but I know enough there is a high level of problems with Arab people.
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Better to have la of course.

Just like ppl assume your face Minta punumbuk

Can they just punch you or Minta your kebenaran 1st.
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QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 02:46 PM)
if someone punch u in the open streets, he is fully responsible

but if u know this particular unsafe street is famous for random ppl punching pedestrians randomly and there is another safer road to take and no one will punch u BUT yet u still took this unsafe street because u wan to show that u have the right to take any road u want to, no one can stop u frm taking the road u like, then its partly your problem too cos u noe its a trap ppl will punch u yet u still throw urself into the trap

understand?
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no - i dont understand how i should be held responsible for making a decision that's not wrong in the first place

do you come from a place where thief and crooks are rampant and are part of daily and as such, you should accept that as part of life because that's how the world should go?
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I have no problem advising my daughter about hanging out with stranger yet I will not blame her if she does that and got raped. Do u see the point?
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yeah im also not blaming the victim for being raped, im also like u advising what could have been done to prevent these kind of things from happening, see the point?

and after u advised ur daughter many times not hang out with unknown strangers drinking liquor, but she still do it and got raped, are u so sure that u will not even scold her for not listening to ur advice? dont pretend la lol
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 03:05 PM)
no - i dont understand how i should be held responsible for making a decision that's not wrong in the first place

do you come from a place where thief and crooks are rampant and are part of daily and as such, you should accept that as part of life because that's how the world should go?
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no that's not how the world should go. everyone wants a perfect world. but at the end of the day, do you want to stay out of trouble?

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Different circumstances. I did give the example where a woman in a crowded restaurant, if she was raped there, she bears no responsibility to what happened. Same with your random punch on the street.

The specific case we are talking about here, is a FOREIGN MAN she BARELY KNOWS, in a PRIVATE SPACE, consuming ALCOHOL.

Look, we can go on an on about this, but let's just agree to disagree.

You are on the woman bears ZERO responsibility to what happened.
My view is that she bears PART of the responsibility to what happened.

End of story.
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disagree - because when you say she bears some responsibility, the subsequent would be she should take part of the blame for what occur to her

no one want to be rape

and as such, i cannot fathom how there are individual out there who take joy and felt justice is served when the victim need to shoulder part of the blame as well.

that is not agree to disagree...as there's nothing to agree in the 1st place. to say that means it is right and correct and part of the justice system and just fair to accept that the victim should be blame together.
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 03:05 PM)
no - i dont understand how i should be held responsible for making a decision that's not wrong in the first place

do you come from a place where thief and crooks are rampant and are part of daily and as such, you should accept that as part of life because that's how the world should go?
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good, then u should do things like putting bags containing expensive stuffs on ur passenger seat, u should wear a handbag and walk like normal in kl streets

u should wear big gold chains when u go out

and one day when ur bags got snatched or your gold chain got robbed, dont cry father mother ya, just take it like a man and say u made the right decisions, and continue to do so even after u got snatched or robbed 999 times
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Nov 3 2020, 03:03 PM)
Better to have la of course.

Just like ppl assume your face Minta punumbuk

Can they just punch you or Minta your kebenaran 1st.
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Better to have black and white before you start sexy taim? You must be a super romantic person.
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 03:07 PM)
disagree - because when you say she bears some responsibility, the subsequent would be she should take part of the blame for what occur to her

no one want to be rape

and as such, i cannot fathom how there are individual out there who take joy and felt justice is served when the victim need to shoulder part of the blame as well.

that is not agree to disagree...as there's nothing to agree in the 1st place. to say that means it is right and correct and part of the justice system and just fair to accept that the victim should be blame together.
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no one wants to be raped = no one wants to have trouble

anyone who wants to stay out of trouble has a certain level of responsibility towards his everyday actions, you can't just blame others everything and not take any responsibility whenever something bad happened.

we can dive deeper into semantics. the victim is not to be blamed for being raped. but she bears part responsibility to a likelihood that something bad can happen given the circumstances she put herself in. it doesn't have to be rape, it could have been a robbery, or even just burglary.
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yeah im also not blaming the victim for being raped, im also like u advising what could have been done to prevent these kind of things from happening, see the point?

and after u advised ur daughter many times not hang out with unknown strangers drinking liquor, but she still do it and got raped, are u so sure that u will not even scold her for not listening to ur advice? dont pretend la lol
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You don't get it. It's not her fault if she wants to do it. She is an adult and she has her rights to be sexual with whoever she wants. I might not like it but that doesn't make her wrong. You are projecting your personal values onto this girl. The fact remains that legally, she is not wrong. Whereas the rapist is.
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You don't get it. It's not her fault if she wants to do it. She is an adult and she has her rights to be sexual with whoever she wants. I might not like it but that doesn't make her wrong. You are projecting your personal values onto this girl. The fact remains that legally, she is not wrong. Whereas the rapist is.
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Legal is just one aspect of living in this society. If you expect to stay out of trouble just because you are law-abiding, you are in for a surprise.

You drive pass a green light and never bothered to watch out for surprise pedestrians/motorists breaking rules. You hit them, they die. Legally, you are not wrong, but it ruins your day because you have to be questioned by police, might even have to testify in court, your car is damaged, have to claim insurance, have to get checked at hospital, if you have children in car they may get traumatised, etc.

But would have preferred that the day went by without any accident at all, just with a little more responsibility from your ownself to watch out for such situations when driving, or you still prefer to drive blindly because it's green light and you are legally right?
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 03:31 PM)
You don't get it. It's not her fault if she wants to do it. She is an adult and she has her rights to be sexual with whoever she wants. I might not like it but that doesn't make her wrong. You are projecting your personal values onto this girl. The fact remains that legally, she is not wrong. Whereas the rapist is.
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you dont get it, its not her fault but this is not a perfect world where every guy is a saint and theres no wolves out there, we are not living in a fantasy world where everything is perfect and there is no bad guys out there, get it? if everything is perfect then why do we need law enforcements? everyone will folo the rule/law right? dont dream la

thats why we need to have some sort of precautions to not to get ourselves into trouble, yes u said the rapist is wrong, both morally and legally, but what can the victim do now? can she undo the rape and return like previous before the rape? no right? now sudah nasi jadi bubur, then why are u still arguing the rapist is salah? if she was more dilligent or cautious before this, then she could have prevented this rape from happening, and its important to let other naive girls know this too and to prevent them from falling to the same date rape trap, get it?

wat we are discussing now is what steps can be done to PREVENT a rape and not discuss who right or wrong AFTER the rape happened, what use to argue who right or wrong now? the victim ledi scarred for life, she can turn bck time or not? yeah rapist salah, and then what? keep quiet jangan persoal until the next victim kena raped using the same MO and here we go again repeat the cycle rapist salah rapist salah move on guys
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 03:38 PM)
Legal is just one aspect of living in this society. If you expect to stay out of trouble just because you are law-abiding, you are in for a surprise.

You drive pass a green light and never bothered to watch out for surprise pedestrians/motorists breaking rules. You hit them, they die. Legally, you are not wrong, but it ruins your day because you have to be questioned by police, might even have to testify in court, your car is damaged, have to claim insurance, have to get checked at hospital, if you have children in car they may get traumatised, etc.

But would have preferred that the day went by without any accident at all, just with a little more responsibility from your ownself to watch out for such situations when driving, or you still prefer to drive blindly because it's green light and you are legally right?
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Recently a girl came to my house. I served her some food and alcohol. So she deserves to be raped, if I felt like raping her? That's the logic? Girl that I met over Tinder and took out for a dinner too then few days later she had nothing to do and wanted to come spend time with me just watch some TV. Then she left. So what you are telling me is that under that circumstance, girl = stranger, we had some food and alcohol, then it was her fault if I raped her?
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Some observations

Most post start with rape is worng, three words, then proceed to discuss the responsibility of victim of letting it happens


Yeap, that is how they rolls.
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no one wants to be raped = no one wants to have trouble

anyone who wants to stay out of trouble has a certain level of responsibility towards his everyday actions, you can't just blame others everything and not take any responsibility whenever something bad happened.

we can dive deeper into semantics. the victim is not to be blamed for being raped. but she bears part responsibility to a likelihood that something bad can happen given the circumstances she put herself in. it doesn't have to be rape, it could have been a robbery, or even just burglary.
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No one wants to be raped. No one wants to be violated. OK agreed here.

Some responsibility for taking care of herself = agreed also.

She misplaced trust on some one whom she barely knew. That's too bad.
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Recently a girl came to my house. I served her some food and alcohol. So she deserves to be raped, if I felt like raping her? That's the logic? Girl that I met over Tinder and took out for a dinner too then few days later she had nothing to do and wanted to come spend time with me just watch some TV. Then she left. So what you are telling me is that under that circumstance, girl = stranger, we had some food and alcohol, then it was her fault if I raped her?
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No she does not deserves to be raped. And she was lucky that it was you who met her. What if it was someone more sinister? A better choice would be to meet you in public, or having friends with her at home when you visit.
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Legal is just one aspect of living in this society. If you expect to stay out of trouble just because you are law-abiding, you are in for a surprise.

You drive pass a green light and never bothered to watch out for surprise pedestrians/motorists breaking rules. You hit them, they die. Legally, you are not wrong, but it ruins your day because you have to be questioned by police, might even have to testify in court, your car is damaged, have to claim insurance, have to get checked at hospital, if you have children in car they may get traumatised, etc.

But would have preferred that the day went by without any accident at all, just with a little more responsibility from your ownself to watch out for such situations when driving, or you still prefer to drive blindly because it's green light and you are legally right?
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You stating something too obvious. Again, I rephrase: In my opinion, this jap girl has done nothing wrong, legally and whatsoever standards to justify her being raped. She bears zero responsibility for the unilateral act of another party. In terms of black & white, she is physically against it but was forced to via aggression. She said "no" too verbally. Also, everything she did is legally, morally, socially neutral in my opinion.

Shame on those that thinks having alcohol alone with a girl means something else all the time even with an explicit no.

Whoever thinks otherwise can have their own opinion but I speak out because I am disgusted by it. period.
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Based on sos from some chinese news....
The middle eastern dude is the restaurant owner....
anyone can verify that?

SOS
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Man make friend with women sure got hidden motive. If not they wont bother to friend with u. Who so free go to ur house just to eat dinner and watch tv lol? Never trust any of ur male friend even very close. Most rape case is done by friend or best friend.
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You stating something too obvious. Again, I rephrase: In my opinion, this jap girl has done nothing wrong, legally and whatsoever standards to justify her being raped. She bears zero responsibility for the unilateral act of another party. In terms of black & white, she is physically against it but was forced to via aggression. She said "no" too verbally. Also, everything she did is legally, morally, socially neutral in my opinion.

Shame on those that thinks having alcohol alone with a girl means something else all the time even with an explicit no.

Whoever thinks otherwise can have their own opinion but I speak out because I am disgusted by it. period.
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Disgust all you want, it doesn't change the fact that situation could have been avoided if the guy didn't step into her house in the first place, let alone makan and have alcohol.

And no, what she did is not socially neutral. That's not how a single woman should behave when interacting with a FOREIGN MAN she BARELY KNOWS, going into a PRIVATE SPACE, and consuming ALCOHOL.

I don't know what perfect fantasy world you live in, but this is a dangerous society for such circumstance to happen. In this society, everyone has a responsibility to be cautious with people they are dealing with at all times. Yes it's sad, but this is reality, not fantasy.

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QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 03:40 PM)
you dont get it, its not her fault but this is not a perfect world where every guy is a saint and theres no wolves out there, we are not living in a fantasy world where everything is perfect and there is no bad guys out there, get it? if everything is perfect then why do we need law enforcements? everyone will folo the rule/law right? dont dream la

thats why we need to have some sort of precautions to not to get ourselves into trouble, yes u said the rapist is wrong, both morally and legally, but what can the victim do now? can she undo the rape and return like previous before the rape? no right? now sudah nasi jadi bubur, then why are u still arguing the rapist is salah? if she was more dilligent or cautious before this, then she could have prevented this rape from happening, and its important to let other naive girls know this too and to prevent them from falling to the same date rape trap, get it?

wat we are discussing now is what steps can be done to PREVENT a rape and not discuss who right or wrong AFTER the rape happened, what use to argue who right or wrong now? the victim ledi scarred for life, she can turn bck time or not? yeah rapist salah, and then what? keep quiet jangan persoal until the next victim kena raped using the same MO and here we go again repeat the cycle rapist salah rapist salah move on guys
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I agree what you said about prevention. The rest of what you said is just common sense. Anyway, I just disagree with your earlier statement:-

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u can say rich ppl not being cautious when they got robbed,
u can say naive ppl not being cautious when they got scammed
u can say poor ppl not being cautious/thinking ahead when they cannot feed 10 kids but still give birth to so many kids

BUT u cannot say a girl not being cautious when she got raped, because everything a girl do is right, she have every RIGHT to do whatever she wants!! u cannot say a single bad thing about them!! girl is always right!!
Rich people, naive people and rape victim are all in the same category and they are not at fault. period. I just wanna highlight this. U can see my first reply to you, it's laser-focused on this only.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 03:38 PM)
Legal is just one aspect of living in this society. If you expect to stay out of trouble just because you are law-abiding, you are in for a surprise.

You drive pass a green light and never bothered to watch out for surprise pedestrians/motorists breaking rules. You hit them, they die. Legally, you are not wrong, but it ruins your day because you have to be questioned by police, might even have to testify in court, your car is damaged, have to claim insurance, have to get checked at hospital, if you have children in car they may get traumatised, etc.

But would have preferred that the day went by without any accident at all, just with a little more responsibility from your ownself to watch out for such situations when driving, or you still prefer to drive blindly because it's green light and you are legally right?
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she definitely was unwise but shes not legally or morally wrong
i do think you have a point, but whats the point in placing the fault on the girl
think about it, your argument on alcohol=sex will kena highjacked by puak pas

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QUOTE(protekotek @ Nov 3 2020, 03:52 PM)
Based on sos from some chinese news....
The middle eastern dude is the restaurant owner....
anyone can verify that?

SOS
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I agree what you said about prevention. The rest of what you said is just common sense. Anyway, I just disagree with your earlier statement:-
Rich people, naive people and rape victim are all in the same category and they are not at fault. period. I just wanna highlight this. U can see my first reply to you, it's laser-focused on this only.
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yeah, and when a rich person gets robbed and found out that he wears big gold chain go out, ppl will say things like
"why he so stupid wear big gold chain go out? dont he know malaysia is not as safe as singapore and alot of snatch thiefs around?"

or when a naive foreverarone uncle got love scammed n lost his entire savings, ppl will also say "why he so stupid go trust those online pretty girl accounts, he so old n ugly he really think got young amoi wants to be with her? so stupid"

dont tell me u wont say those things when u flip thru the news and discuss with ur frens n family? dont pretend la lol

and now a woman got raped because of her naive-ness and ppl cannot say anything about it? see the double standards? we say anything about it and automatically we got called out for blaming the victim? wtf is this? why rape victims got double standard? can u explain to me? u say they are all in the same category but rape victim we jangan persoal cos its blaming the victim? wtf?
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QUOTE(bryanlad @ Nov 3 2020, 04:07 PM)
she definitely was unwise but shes not legally or morally wrong
i do think you have a point, but whats the point in placing the fault on the girl
think about it, your argument on alcohol=sex will kena highjacked by puak pas
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Again, I have stated many times, that it's not her fault, but she is partly responsible. "Being at fault" and "being partly responsible" are different.

I am not arguing what is right or wrong, but how to be a responsible adult towards your own behaviors.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 02:54 PM)
Of course is related. Employer says "no" and "no means no".

Ok... so when you have sex with someone, you don't have black and white, each time is considered rape? doh.gif
Read the article. Arab man went to her home with food and alcohol the day before. I don't know about the rest of the country, but I know enough there is a high level of problems with Arab people.
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k... so when you have sex with someone, you don't have black and white, each time is considered rape?


Fallacy. With b&W, we can prove something. Without it, it does not necessarily assume anything. Secondly, there are certain evidences to help prove your innocence in court, via text messages, recording, photos or marriage certificate. (if someone is accusing you)

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Read the article. Arab man went to her home with food and alcohol the day before. I don't know about the rest of the country, but I know enough there is a high level of problems with Arab people.


So inviting an arab into ur house with food and alcohol is understood agreement for guaranteed sex by the end of the session?

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Fallacy. With b&W, we can prove something. Without it, it does not necessarily assume anything. Secondly, there are certain evidences to help prove your innocence in court, via text messages, recording, photos or marriage certificate. (if someone is accusing you)
So inviting an arab into ur house with food and alcohol is understood agreement for guaranteed sex by the end of the session?
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No, but it's a risky behavior and is irresponsible towards yourself when you ignore that risk.
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 04:10 PM)
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Fallacy. With b&W, we can prove something. Without it, it does not necessarily assume anything. Secondly, there are certain evidences to help prove your innocence in court, via text messages, recording, photos or marriage certificate. (if someone is accusing you)
Except if you want B&W to have sex with someone, it significantly reduces your chance of having sex with someone. On top of that, it is typically not a planned activity. You're still avoiding the issue here. No BnW is considered rape or not?

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So inviting an arab into ur house with food and alcohol is understood agreement for guaranteed sex by the end of the session?
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Seems you're ignorant about Arab culture. Yes, that is pretty much the case. Even showing an ankle to an Arab male is like inviting rape.

https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2017/05/m...not-the-victim/
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QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 04:09 PM)
yeah, and when a rich person gets robbed and found out that he wears big gold chain go out, ppl will say things like
"why he so stupid wear big gold chain go out? dont he know malaysia is not as safe as singapore and alot of snatch thiefs around?"

or when a naive foreverarone uncle got love scammed n lost his entire savings, ppl will also say "why he so stupid go trust those online pretty girl accounts, he so old n ugly he really think got young amoi wants to be with her? so stupid"

dont tell me u wont say those things when u flip thru the news and discuss with ur frens n family? dont pretend la lol

and now a woman got raped because of her naive-ness and ppl cannot say anything about it? see the double standards? we say anything about it and automatically we got called out for blaming the victim? wtf is this? why rape victims got double standard? can u explain to me? u say they are all in the same category but rape victim we jangan persoal cos its blaming the victim? wtf?
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My god. how many times do I have to explain to you. You kept saying there is a difference in society between mempersoalkan the rich, naive versus a girl in society. A lot of people agree but all I am saying is: DONT BLAME THE GIRL and IT'S NOT OKAY TO BLAME THE RICH MAN FOR WEARING GOLD CHAINS TOO. It's not their fault when there are robbers and rapists in the society. Yes, I know the world sucks but to blame the victim in a dubious manner (subjective) is disgusting.

In this Jap girl case, I really don't see anything she is doing that is morally or socially wrong.
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 04:17 PM)
My god. how many times do I have to explain to you. You kept saying there is a difference in society between mempersoalkan the rich, naive versus a girl in society. A lot of people agree but all I am saying is: DONT BLAME THE GIRL and IT'S NOT OKAY TO BLAME THE RICH MAN FOR WEARING GOLD CHAINS TOO. It's not their fault when there are robbers and rapists in the society. Yes, I know the world sucks but to blame the victim in a dubious manner (subjective) is disgusting.

In this Jap girl case, I really don't see anything she is doing that is morally or socially wrong.
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I hear you bro. It's totally not Trump supporters fault when they wear the MAGA hat and get beaten up by Antifa and BLM "protesters", BLM and Antifa is totally to blame. Trump supporter not to blame.
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 04:17 PM)
My god. how many times do I have to explain to you. You kept saying there is a difference in society between mempersoalkan the rich, naive versus a girl in society. A lot of people agree but all I am saying is: DONT BLAME THE GIRL and IT'S NOT OKAY TO BLAME THE RICH MAN FOR WEARING GOLD CHAINS TOO. It's not their fault when there are robbers and rapists in the society. Yes, I know the world sucks but to blame the victim in a dubious manner (subjective) is disgusting.

In this Jap girl case, I really don't see anything she is doing that is morally or socially wrong.
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dont tell me u never said things like, " padan muka the billionaire got robbed, who ask him to go out wearing whole body branded and gold chains with no bodyguards, sendiri cari pasal" when u read news of rich ppl kena robbed

like i said dont pretend la lol, now u want to act like a saint pulak lol, we all are humans, we will always try to figure out why something happened and analyse and take them as lessons to prevent them from happening to us


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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 04:16 PM)
Except if you want B&W to have sex with someone, it significantly reduces your chance of having sex with someone. On top of that, it is typically not a planned activity. You're still avoiding the issue here. No BnW is considered rape or not?

Seems you're ignorant about Arab culture. Yes, that is pretty much the case. Even showing an ankle to an Arab male is like inviting rape.

https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2017/05/m...not-the-victim/
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I have sent a "I had fun, thank you for the night" message after the incident. Some other people like Neymar has earlier flirtatious convos record to prove something. Some even voice record.

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You're still avoiding the issue here. No BnW is considered rape or not?


With a b&w agreement, we can say its rape or NOT. Without a b&w agreement, it's obviously not rape "everytime" as you mentioned. It's make it questionable. So using a car deposit analogy with b&w present is not suitable for this jap girl case (no b&w), judging from the article.

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QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 04:29 PM)
dont tell me u never said things like, " padan muka the billionaire got robbed, who ask him to go out wearing whole body branded and gold chains with no bodyguards, sendiri cari pasal" when u read news of rich ppl kena robbed

like i said dont pretend la lol, now u want to act like a saint pulak lol, we all are humans, we will always try to figure out why something happened and analyse and take them as lessons to prevent them from happening to us
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I swear to God. I never thought so. Which is probably why you see I feel bad for this jap girl. I think i have a higher moral ground when compared to these rapist and robbers. I have walked away when a girl said no.

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 04:22 PM)
I hear you bro. It's totally not Trump supporters fault when they wear the MAGA hat and get beaten up by Antifa and BLM "protesters", BLM and Antifa is totally to blame. Trump supporter not to blame.
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Yeah. It's ridiculous to blame trump supporter for "provoking" in any sort. Whoever uses violence first is at fault.
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Better to have black and white before you start sexy taim? You must be a super romantic person.
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Yes I am thanks

But still I have to report you

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This user potential rapist. He assume girls want to have sex just because getting invites to their home
Please put it in watchlist

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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 04:34 PM)
I swear to God. I never thought so. Which is probably why you see I feel bad for this jap girl.  I think i have a higher moral ground when compared to these rapist and robbers. I have walked away when a girl said no.
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I literally lol'ed when you are here just to prove how morally superior you are when we are simply trying to say that most tragedies can be avoided if people are more careful and responsible in their actions.

But well done sir, you have high moral and that's great! thumbsup.gif

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Yeah. It's ridiculous to blame trump supporter for "provoking" in any sort. Whoever uses violence first is at fault.
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No argument there. Use violence first is definitely at fault. That's why I play my part as well by not provoking people to use violence as I prefer a peaceful life, not a risky life.

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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 04:34 PM)
I swear to God. I never thought so. Which is probably why you see I feel bad for this jap girl.  I think i have a higher moral ground when compared to these rapist and robbers. I have walked away when a girl said no.
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not in ur entire life? u so sure? not even once? if u are really that saint then i rest my case

but we are all humans, definitely will have those kind of thoughts in our mind or we had said it last time or recently, so yeah, dont pretend lol
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 04:16 PM)
Except if you want B&W to have sex with someone, it significantly reduces your chance of having sex with someone. On top of that, it is typically not a planned activity. You're still avoiding the issue here. No BnW is considered rape or not?

Seems you're ignorant about Arab culture. Yes, that is pretty much the case. Even showing an ankle to an Arab male is like inviting rape.

https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2017/05/m...not-the-victim/
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 04:42 PM)
Like I said, with B&W significantly reduce the probability of coitus.

Without B&W, it doesn't mean rape either.
Ini fail comprehension. I'm saying when you deal with Arab men, you need to know they're the most sexually deprived people on the planet. You invite one of them to drink and eat in your home, is pretty much an invitation for sex. For them, even letting them touch your hand is an invitation for sex.

Japanese girl need to bear some responsibility on being ignorant on this fact.
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I thought I just gave u some tips? Send her a message after the sex? Record a voice message? Even if it somehow reduces your chance, its your pick. Higher chance of sex or higher chance of guilty as charged.

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Without B&W, it doesn't mean rape either.

Exactly, it's harder to prove its rape or not, unlike a car deposit situation.

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Ini fail comprehension. I'm saying when you deal with Arab men, you need to know they're the most sexually deprived people on the planet. You invite one of them to drink and eat in your home, is pretty much an invitation for sex. For them, even letting them touch your hand is an invitation for sex.


Jap girl could be ignorant but its not her fault. Why should she know about Arab's culture? Just leave her alone.
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Nov 2 2020, 11:04 PM)
It's sounds more stupid that you came over a guy's house, had sex with him and claimed rape next morning.
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 3 2020, 02:52 PM)
Your respond shows how shallow your knowledge of the law
Need to spoon feed everytime?

Bodoh ke apa
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I already told you I tried to look for it but couldnt find.

You bodoh ke apa saying something without proof?
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PAS logic....she asked for it
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If u dont have to be carefull in live then dont lock ur main door le everyday.
Left ur car keys in the hole everyday.

The crime is wrong of course but bodo carefree action is also have their own risk. Wrong people then youll pay the price la.

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My god. how many times do I have to explain to you. You kept saying there is a difference in society between mempersoalkan the rich, naive versus a girl in society. A lot of people agree but all I am saying is: DONT BLAME THE GIRL and IT'S NOT OKAY TO BLAME THE RICH MAN FOR WEARING GOLD CHAINS TOO. It's not their fault when there are robbers and rapists in the society. Yes, I know the world sucks but to blame the victim in a dubious manner (subjective) is disgusting.

In this Jap girl case, I really don't see anything she is doing that is morally or socially wrong.
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 05:04 PM)
I thought I just gave u some tips? Send her a message after the sex? Record a voice message? Even if it somehow reduces your chance, its your pick. Higher chance of sex or higher chance of guilty as charged.
Simple, don't have sex with a crazy woman, don't have sex with a drunk woman. Don't rape.

QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 05:04 PM)
Exactly, it's harder to prove its rape or not, unlike a car deposit situation.
Also why the woman is not blameless.

QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 05:04 PM)
Jap girl could be ignorant but its not her fault. Why should she know about Arab's culture? Just leave her alone.
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If you're ignorant, it is totally your fault. Ignorance is not an excuse in court. Why should she know Arab culture? Simple, because he is not Japanese. doh.gif
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I totally agree. There's no argument that the guy is wrong for forcing himself on her. My argument comes from the woman's actions, and that as an adult in this not-so-perfect society where a lot of people want to take advantage of you (money, sex, etc), she's partly responsible for letting the circumstances take place.

I just disagree with the standpoint from some people that the woman bears ZERO responsibility for what happened.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 03:07 PM)
no that's not how the world should go. everyone wants a perfect world. but at the end of the day, do you want to stay out of trouble?
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 02:49 PM)
Different circumstances. I did give the example where a woman in a crowded restaurant, if she was raped there, she bears no responsibility to what happened. Same with your random punch on the street.

The specific case we are talking about here, is a FOREIGN MAN she BARELY KNOWS, in a PRIVATE SPACE, consuming ALCOHOL.

Look, we can go on an on about this, but let's just agree to disagree.

You are on the woman bears ZERO responsibility to what happened.
My view is that she bears PART of the responsibility to what happened.

End of story.
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Ok I get your point but it’s not that she still bears some responsibility just that she should have been more careful, that’s all.

It’s just like getting snatched, the victim bears ni responsibility even if the victim was dangling a handbag on the shoulders loosely but they can be more careful. In this case the victim wanted to have a drink at her home with the guy. Was she partly responsible for being raped? The answer is clearly a NO. Could she have taken more precautions? Maybe YES.

QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 02:41 PM)
Depends, if she's all dolled up and grinding his crotch, level 99 cawk tease and then last minute say "no", then yes, she has somewhat entered an agreement of sorts.
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No means no, even if last minute she says no it’s still a no. Wtf u smoking bruh

QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 02:54 PM)
Of course is related. Employer says "no" and "no means no".

Ok... so when you have sex with someone, you don't have black and white, each time is considered rape? doh.gif
Read the article. Arab man went to her home with food and alcohol the day before. I don't know about the rest of the country, but I know enough there is a high level of problems with Arab people.
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Employer says no means no, same like how if a girl says no means no. But what is the relevance with people complaining or rant about not getting bonus? How is that the same with raping a girl who said no? It’s not like you go to your boss and force your boss to pay you bonus by directly snatching the money from his wallet into your pockets. You’re just ranting, similarly if you kena cocktease by a girl and you wanna rant, complain and post about it, go ahead la. But you have no right to rape her since she said no. Is that so hard to understand?


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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 05:55 PM)
Ok I get your point but it’s not that she still bears some responsibility just that she should have been more careful, that’s all.

It’s just like getting snatched, the victim bears ni responsibility even if the victim was dangling a handbag on the shoulders loosely but they can be more careful. In this case the victim wanted to have a drink at her home with the guy. Was she partly responsible for being raped? The answer is clearly a NO. Could she have taken more precautions? Maybe YES.
No means no, even if last minute she says no it’s still a no. Wtf u smoking bruh
Employer says no means no, same like how if a girl says no means no. But what is the relevance with people complaining or rant about not getting bonus? How is that the same with raping a girl who said no? It’s not like you go to your boss and force your boss to pay you bonus by directly snatching the money from his wallet into your pockets. You’re just ranting, similarly if you kena cocktease by a girl and you wanna rant, complain and post about it, go ahead la. But you have no right to rape her since she said no. Is that so hard to understand?
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we just have different understanding of what being responsible to oneself is.

to me, not exposing myself to risky situations is being responsible to myself.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 05:55 PM)
Employer says no means no, same like how if a girl says no means no. But what is the relevance with people complaining or rant about not getting bonus? How is that the same with raping a girl who said no? It’s not like you go to your boss and force your boss to pay you bonus by directly snatching the money from his wallet into your pockets. You’re just ranting, similarly if you kena cocktease by a girl and you wanna rant, complain and post about it, go ahead la. But you have no right to rape her since she said no. Is that so hard to understand?
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Boss says "hey you work hard, meet 120 percent target, you will get bonus next year" and then next year comes boss says "no". You did all the hard work, met all the target, but you don't get the reward, that's why some employees can go postal and rampage through office. Employee is at fault, but that doesn't mean employer bear doesn't any responsibility. Itu pon you all no understand is it? Suddenly when it comes to vagina suddenly rationality goes out the window or what?



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why this thread has 19 pages?
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 03:11 PM)
Better to have black and white before you start sexy taim? You must be a super romantic person.
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You don’t need black and white la cheebye.

QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 03:59 PM)
Disgust all you want, it doesn't change the fact that situation could have been avoided if the guy didn't step into her house in the first place, let alone makan and have alcohol.

And no, what she did is not socially neutral. That's not how a single woman should behave when interacting with a FOREIGN MAN she BARELY KNOWS, going into a PRIVATE SPACE, and consuming ALCOHOL.

I don't know what perfect fantasy world you live in, but this is a dangerous society for such circumstance to happen. In this society, everyone has a responsibility to be cautious with people they are dealing with at all times. Yes it's sad, but this is reality, not fantasy.
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Again, she could have been more careful but in no way is she responsible for the rape. It’s 2 different things.

QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 04:09 PM)
yeah, and when a rich person gets robbed and found out that he wears big gold chain go out, ppl will say things like
"why he so stupid wear big gold chain go out? dont he know malaysia is not as safe as singapore and alot of snatch thiefs around?"

or when a naive foreverarone uncle got love scammed n lost his entire savings, ppl will also say "why he so stupid go trust those online pretty girl accounts, he so old n ugly he really think got young amoi wants to be with her? so stupid"

dont tell me u wont say those things when u flip thru the news and discuss with ur frens n family? dont pretend la lol

and now a woman got raped because of her naive-ness and ppl cannot say anything about it? see the double standards? we say anything about it and automatically we got called out for blaming the victim? wtf is this? why rape victims got double standard? can u explain to me? u say they are all in the same category but rape victim we jangan persoal cos its blaming the victim? wtf?
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Bro, if you get robbed for showing off your wealth it’s still the robber fault, it’s not your fault. What you can do in future is to take more precautions but it’s in no way your fault.

QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 04:22 PM)
I hear you bro. It's totally not Trump supporters fault when they wear the MAGA hat and get beaten up by Antifa and BLM "protesters", BLM and Antifa is totally to blame. Trump supporter not to blame.
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Of course it’s not their fault, how dafuq is it their fault just for wearing a cap and supporting someone?

QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Nov 3 2020, 04:36 PM)
Yes I am thanks

But still I have to report you

police_diraja_malaysia
This user potential rapist. He assume girls want to have sex just because getting invites to their home
Please put it in watchlist
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Well, I’d say most guys would think about sex if a girl invites you to their house alone. The only difference between a potential rapist and normal guys is that normal guys know that no means no. You can think about sex, you can even try to ask for sex but if the person says no then you go home and TFK lorr.

QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 05:57 PM)
we just have different understanding of what being responsible to oneself is.

to me, not exposing myself to risky situations is being responsible to myself.
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Being responsible to oneself and being responsible towards another person’s actions are 2 completely different things bro. When a girl is being raped she is 100% not responsible for the rape. Whether or not she is being responsible towards herself in terms of managing risk is another thing altogether.

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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 02:23 PM)
I totally agree. There's no argument that the guy is wrong for forcing himself on her. My argument comes from the woman's actions, and that as an adult in this not-so-perfect society where a lot of people want to take advantage of you (money, sex, etc), she's partly responsible for letting the circumstances take place.

I just disagree with the standpoint from some people that the woman bears ZERO responsibility for what happened.
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This is victim blaming
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 05:54 PM)
Simple, don't have sex with a crazy woman, don't have sex with a drunk woman. Don't rape.

Also why the woman is not blameless.

If you're ignorant, it is totally your fault. Ignorance is not an excuse in court. Why should she know Arab culture? Simple, because he is not Japanese. doh.gif
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You are arguing for the sake of arguing for point 1 and 2.

Point 3. Since you talk about being in court, I know that Ignorance is not an excuse for violating a law. But, there is no law where an Arab can fuck u under a certain circumstances by law in Malaysia. So, the jap girl is not ignorant of any law. Secondly, the Arab is the one being ignorant of the law as rape crime is clearly against the law here. Please fix your many fallacies.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 06:14 PM)
Again, she could have been more careful but in no way is she responsible for the rape. It’s 2 different things.
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If you don't cherry pick my replies, you will find one where I said she's not responsible for the rape, but she's responsible for putting herself in a risky circumstance. It might not be a rape, it could have been a robbery, or a burglary.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 06:06 PM)
Boss says "hey you work hard, meet 120 percent target, you will get bonus next year" and then next year comes boss says "no". You did all the hard work, met all the target, but you don't get the reward, that's why some employees can go postal and rampage through office. Employee is at fault, but that doesn't mean employer bear doesn't any responsibility. Itu pon you all no understand is it? Suddenly when it comes to vagina suddenly rationality goes out the window or what?


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Rationally it’s the employee who so stupid didn’t get it in black and white. Your employer is not responsible for anything which is not stated in your contract.


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QUOTE(herpaderp @ Nov 3 2020, 06:11 PM)
why this thread has 19 pages?
lazy to read la
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Hahaha... Basically, A "hotate" debate between our masters here whether who should be blame/responsible on this case. I also pening reading all these rclxub.gif
We just duduk tepi dengar debate je la. laugh.gif


QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 02:49 PM)
Different circumstances. I did give the example where a woman in a crowded restaurant, if she was raped there, she bears no responsibility to what happened. Same with your random punch on the street.

The specific case we are talking about here, is a FOREIGN MAN she BARELY KNOWS, in a PRIVATE SPACE, consuming ALCOHOL.

Look, we can go on an on about this, but let's just agree to disagree.

You are on the woman bears ZERO responsibility to what happened.
My view is that she bears PART of the responsibility to what happened.
End of story.



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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 06:17 PM)
If you don't cherry pick my replies, you will find one where I said she's not responsible for the rape, but she's responsible for putting herself in a risky circumstance. It might not be a rape, it could have been a robbery, or a burglary.
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Sorry I completely missed that. You did have a lot of replies here and I mainly was only reading the last few ones which I quoted.

Although I must say anyone who missed that particular reply from you would deem that you’re saying she’s responsible for being raped. How you’re wording it is just totally wrong.

Also although you said that she is not responsible for being raped you still said that she is partly responsible for what happened. Isn’t that the same thing as saying she’s responsible for being raped?

Here’s my take when someone does a crime against you, it’s not your fault and you’re not responsible at all for what happened. However, in order to ensure you’re own safety you could take more precautions. But that still doesn’t mean you’re responsible for what happened.

It’s just like a workaround at work, if a system fails it’s not your fault. Having a workaround is a good thing as a failsafe when there’s a system problem but if you don’t have a workaround it’s still not your fault at all.

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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 06:16 PM)
You are arguing for the sake of arguing for point 1 and 2.

Point 3. Since you talk about being in court, I know that Ignorance is not an excuse for violating a law. But, there is no law where an Arab can fuck u under a certain circumstances by law in Malaysia. So, the jap girl is not ignorant of any law. Secondly, the Arab is the one being ignorant of the law as rape crime is clearly against the law here. Please fix your many fallacies.
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I'm telling you black and white is not necessary to determine what's right and wrong. Even with black and white there can always be dispute.

As for ignorance, in no country on this planet is rape allowable. HOWEVER! There are some cultures on this planet where showing some skin is an invitation to rape. If you are ignorant of that, then you are indeed inviting trouble. It's not a fallacy, it is reality.

Scandinavian women raped and behead because they're ignorant.
Stupid journalists in denial of violence in Somalia killed by violence in Somalia.
Ignorant tourists think Turkey is safe, gets raped and killed.

Let's face it, some cultures are worse than others. The Japanese girl is in Malaysia, she should exercise caution, and she's allowing an Arab man who may not be familiar with Msia culture into her home, all the more reason she should be EXTRA cautious. If you're ignorant, then you have to take some responsibility of it.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 06:21 PM)
Rationally it’s the employee who so stupid didn’t get it in black and white. Your employer is not responsible for anything which is not stated in your contract.
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Feel free to browse /k to see all the butthurt threads about bonus, and tell them "you're stupid, no means no".
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 06:25 PM)
Sorry I completely missed that. You did have a lot of replies here and I mainly was only reading the last few ones which I quoted.

Although I must say anyone who missed that particular reply from you would deem that you’re saying she’s responsible for being raped. How you’re wording it is just totally wrong.
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Understandable. Some people did get my point though. And English is an inefficient language.

All I'm saying is living in this imperfect society, I have responsibility to myself to not expose myself to risky circumstances, especially when I deal with people I barely know in the first place.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 06:14 PM)
You don’t need black and white la cheebye.
Again, she could have been more careful but in no way is she responsible for the rape. It’s 2 different things.
Bro, if you get robbed for showing off your wealth it’s still the robber fault, it’s not your fault. What you can do in future is to take more precautions but it’s in no way your fault.
Of course it’s not their fault, how dafuq is it their fault just for wearing a cap and supporting someone?
Well, I’d say most guys would think about sex if a girl invites you to their house alone. The only difference between a potential rapist and normal guys is that normal guys know that no means no. You can think about sex, you can even try to ask for sex but if the person says no then you go home and TFK lorr.
Being responsible to oneself and being responsible towards another person’s actions are 2 completely different things bro. When a girl is being raped she is 100% not responsible for the rape. Whether or not she is being responsible towards herself in terms of managing risk is another thing altogether.
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Exactly. Those that are blaming the victim are just different shades of those religious sickos that espouse the idea that "women deserves rape just because they dress sexilly." Firstly, by law they cannot prove the lady is wrong so they said what she did was socially wrong. If like that, those religious sickos also can justify based on their fluid logic of "I feel she is sending a bang bang time message". Keyword: I feel.

Yet, for all their righteous effort of discussing prevention and about educating others about this scary world, they just can't pick the fat and juicy criminal as their target or criticism. Somehow, it all comes back to the victim which bears "some responsibility". I doubt they realise this in themselves though.
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different country ppl different culture. First the japanese lady being in a more modern and civilize part of the world. They are more open to outsider and treat ppl as friend. Girls invite u over and chit chat doesnt mean they want to have sex.
For the Middle Eastern guy... most obvious to them their culture they think girl let u come in to their house mean can have sex with them. If they refuse their manly mojo come out and slap the girl and rape them is also normal as woman in their culture is more like livestock then human being.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 06:29 PM)
Feel free to browse /k to see all the butthurt threads about bonus, and tell them "you're stupid, no means no".
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Like I said earlier, they have every right to rant, even if you kena cocktease and you wanna rant about the bitch go ahead and do it.

You just don’t have a right to commit a crime against your employer or to rape a girl if she says no. When you do that it’s 100% your fault and your responsibility. The other party holds no responsibility whatsoever.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 06:45 PM)
Like I said earlier, they have every right to rant, even if you kena cocktease and you wanna rant about the bitch go ahead and do it.

You just don’t have a right to commit a crime against your employer or to rape a girl if she says no. When you do that it’s 100% your fault and your responsibility. The other party holds no responsibility whatsoever.
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Quote where I said men have the right to rape. doh.gif

Dunno why you white knighters got comprehension problem.

Ok ok let me give you another example that will 100% trigger you.

Teacher shows picture of prophet, teacher gets beheaded by religious fanatic in the name of the religion. 100% religion fault, teacher is 0% fault.

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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:07 PM)
I know the victim, a Japanese actually

A friend's friend

Too innocent thinking here it as safe as it is at Japan actually
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Ok, question is, is the girl hnnngh enough to worth 7 days in jail?
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 06:48 PM)
Quote where I said men have the right to rape. doh.gif

Dunno why you white knighters got comprehension problem.
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And where did I imply that you said men have the right to rape? Read my reply again let me paste it below and bold the part which is more relevant to what you said about the victim being partly responsible.

“You just don’t have a right to commit a crime against your employer or to rape a girl if she says no. When you do that it’s 100% your fault and your responsibility. The other party holds no responsibility whatsoever.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 06:50 PM)
And where did I imply that you said men have the right to rape? Read my reply again let me paste it below and bold the part which is more relevant to what you said about the victim being partly responsible.

“You just don’t have a right to commit a crime against your employer or to rape a girl if she says no. When you do that it’s 100% your fault and your responsibility. The other party holds no responsibility whatsoever.
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Ok ok let me give you another example that will 100% trigger you.

Teacher shows picture of prophet, teacher gets beheaded by religious fanatic in the name of the religion. 100% religion fault, teacher is 0% fault.
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 2 2020, 10:23 PM)
If I'm not wrong it is a Yemen dude and tackled her at a restaurant then they went for a date

Eventually it leads to I believe the lady inviting the dude back to her house just for food / drinks but of course the dude expected it is an invitation for sex even after rejection he still prowls on it

Later at the morning, while the dude is fast asleep, she sneaked out, took all the phone/wallet/keys and locked the door and went out to reported the police

Something like that, I may not get everything correct though

Poor thing just came to Malaysia to work but end up like this actually
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Is it Dima Restaurant Ara Damansara? I googled. Is it? It's Yemenese.
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 06:35 PM)
Exactly. Those that are blaming the victim are just different shades of those religious sickos that espouse the idea that "women deserves rape just because they dress sexilly." Firstly, by law they cannot prove the lady is wrong so they said what she did was socially wrong. If like that, those religious sickos also can justify based on their fluid logic of "I feel she is sending a bang bang time message". Keyword: I feel.

Yet, for all their righteous effort of discussing prevention and about educating others about this scary world, they just can't pick the fat and juicy criminal as their target or criticism. Somehow, it all comes back to the victim which bears "some responsibility". I doubt they realise this in themselves though.
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Do you even understand what is the meaning of risky behavior? And why people refer it as "risky behavior" and not "blamy behavior"? Because it refers to the responsibility on the person involved in such behavior in the first place.

Imagine a pedestrian trying to cross a busy road on a pedestrian green light and zebra crossing.
Person A watches out for possible idiot motorists as he crosses the road.
Person B just walks across while playing his phone without even looking at the vehicles.

A vehicle happens to zip across the traffic, person A saw that coming and stopped crossing the road, even though by right it's his green light and vehicles are supposed to stop at zebra crossing to make way for pedestrians. Person B never saw that coming and get hit.

In this situation both Person A and B are doing nothing wrong, and both person are not to be blamed, but the driver. However, person A is a more responsible person than person B, because person B subjects himself to a risky situation and expect the world to be perfect. Again, person B is not to be blamed for being hit, but he was partly responsible for what happened to him.

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 06:48 PM)
Quote where I said men have the right to rape. doh.gif

Dunno why you white knighters got comprehension problem.

Ok ok let me give you another example that will 100% trigger you.

Teacher shows picture of prophet, teacher gets beheaded by religious fanatic in the name of the religion. 100% religion fault, teacher is 0% fault.
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100% religious fanatic fault (or maybe 50% religious fanatic fault and 50% religion fault since the religion have verses which allows their followers to kill those who “insults” the religion).

Yes it’s 0% teacher’s fault. How the fuck could he be at fault for being beheaded just for showing a picture? If you find it insulting you can curse him as much as you want, but heck, not kill him.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 06:54 PM)
100% religious fanatic fault (or maybe 50% religious fanatic fault and 50% religion fault since the religion have verses which allows their followers to kill those who “insults” the religion).

Yes it’s 0% teacher’s fault. How the fuck could he be at fault for being beheaded just for showing a picture? If you find it insulting you can curse him as much as you want, but heck, not kill him.
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Ok, this is where you and I disagree. I think teacher also at fault, like 5%. However the appropriate response is back with 5%, e.g. drawing the teacher having sex with a donkey or something. Not via beheading.

Bottomline, teacher not 0% fault.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 06:14 PM)
You don’t need black and white la cheebye.
Again, she could have been more careful but in no way is she responsible for the rape. It’s 2 different things.
Bro, if you get robbed for showing off your wealth it’s still the robber fault, it’s not your fault. What you can do in future is to take more precautions but it’s in no way your fault.
Of course it’s not their fault, how dafuq is it their fault just for wearing a cap and supporting someone?
Well, I’d say most guys would think about sex if a girl invites you to their house alone. The only difference between a potential rapist and normal guys is that normal guys know that no means no. You can think about sex, you can even try to ask for sex but if the person says no then you go home and TFK lorr.
Being responsible to oneself and being responsible towards another person’s actions are 2 completely different things bro. When a girl is being raped she is 100% not responsible for the rape. Whether or not she is being responsible towards herself in terms of managing risk is another thing altogether.
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but can u prevent it from happening? if you dont show off your wealth, will there still be a high probability that you will get robbed? no right? so why do u still show off your wealth when you know its gonna bring you troubles in the future? its not your fault yes i agree but is the incident preventable? yes, thats why you see rich ppl have bodyguards and dont wear gold chains when they go out, or they only do that if they are surrounded by many bodyguards

and you have to be responsible towards your own actions too, if everyone thinks like you and dont have to be responsible on their own actions, then your house dont need to put alarms, why still install alarms? burglar come steal all your stuffs, you just report police and police will catch the burglar and send him to jail, why u need to take precautions by installing alarms? like you said you dont have to be responsible for your house's safety, just wait for an incident to happen and let law enforcement deal with it

ladies walking along the street can carry their handbags openly too, they dont have to take any precautions to prevent snatch thief from snatching their handbags cos they are not responsible for their own safety, when snatch thief come and snatched their handbags and drag them 10m across the road and they end up in hospital after that with scars also no problem, just let it happen and law enforcement will deal with it cos snatch thief salah police will catch him

we all also dont need to take any precautions, cos we are not responsible for our own safety too, when nasi sudah jadi bubur then only regret why didnt do this do that to prevent those incidents from happening whistling.gif whistling.gif
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Dude if it's her place = sex is always 50/50. It's her place she controls the mood.

If your place = 100%. She wouldn't come over if she's not interested.

So just bring her to your place.
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If at her parents place got chance or not ah?
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Apparently if what I'm reading is right ... the person showed those things in multiple incidents of teaching ... free speech sure, but at some point it starts to look like heroism through provocation. hmm.gif

QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 06:51 PM)
Ok ok let me give you another example that will 100% trigger you.

Teacher shows picture of prophet, teacher gets beheaded by religious fanatic in the name of the religion. 100% religion fault, teacher is 0% fault.
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Apparently if what I'm reading is right ... the person showed those things in multiple incidents of teaching ... free speech sure, but at some point it starts to look like heroism through provocation. hmm.gif
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Yeah, so I'm waiting for more people to jump and say teacher is 0% fault.
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I wonder if the case will end with he said she said, because at the moment we are hearing the report of what he she said, any report on what the guy said, and is there a picture of him?
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Do you even understand what is the meaning of risky behavior? And why people refer it as "risky behavior" and not "blamy behavior"? Because it refers to the responsibility on the person involved in such behavior in the first place.

Imagine a pedestrian trying to cross a busy road on a pedestrian green light and zebra crossing.
Person A watches out for possible idiot motorists as he crosses the road.
Person B just walks across while playing his phone without even looking at the vehicles.

A vehicle happens to zip across the traffic, person A saw that coming and stopped crossing the road, even though by right it's his green light and vehicles are supposed to stop at zebra crossing to make way for pedestrians. Person B never saw that coming and get hit.

In this situation both Person A and B are doing nothing wrong, and both person are not to be blamed, but the driver. However, person A is a more responsible person than person B, because person B subjects himself to a risky situation and expect the world to be perfect. Again, person B is not to be blamed for being hit, but he was partly responsible for what happened to him.
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Nope. He’s not responsible for what happened to him at all. Although he could have been more responsible in practicing caution in order to avoid it from happening.

Again, being responsible to yourself to avoid things from happening is a workaround. Just like workarounds at work, it’s a good to have but if something fails because of someone else actions, it’s not your fault if you don’t have or didn’t use a workaround. Let me give you an example la, a machine breaks down due to the maintenance guy not servicing it properly, do you blame the person who needs the machine to complete his job for not having or applying a workaround? No right?

QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 06:56 PM)
Ok, this is where you and I disagree. I think teacher also at fault, like 5%. However the appropriate response is back with 5%, e.g. drawing the teacher having sex with a donkey or something. Not via beheading.

Bottomline, teacher not 0% fault.
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Yeah, for me it’s like this. If you do something to trigger someone, they have every right to trigger you back or do something of a similar scale in response. But if you go overboard, then it’s 100% not the other party fault already.

QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 06:58 PM)
but can u prevent it from happening? if you dont show off your wealth, will there still be a high probability that you will get robbed? no right? so why do u still show off your wealth when you know its gonna bring you troubles in the future? its not your fault yes i agree but is the incident preventable? yes, thats why you see rich ppl have bodyguards and dont wear gold chains when they go out, or they only do that if they are surrounded by many bodyguards

and you have to be responsible towards your own actions too, if everyone thinks like you and dont have to be responsible on their own actions, then your house dont need to put alarms, why still install alarms? burglar come steal all your stuffs, you just report police and police will catch the burglar and send him to jail, why u need to take precautions by installing alarms? like you said you dont have to be responsible for your house's safety, just wait for an incident to happen and let law enforcement deal with it

ladies walking along the street can carry their handbags openly too, they dont have to take any precautions to prevent snatch thief from snatching their handbags cos they are not responsible for their own safety, when snatch thief come and snatched their handbags and drag them 10m across the road and they end up in hospital after that with scars also no problem, just let it happen and law enforcement will deal with it cos snatch thief salah police will catch him

we all also dont need to take any precautions, cos we are not responsible for our own safety too, when nasi sudah jadi bubur then only regret why didnt do this do that to prevent those incidents from happening whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Bro, If you take the additional steps you have higher chance of avoiding it, completely agreed. But if you don’t take those steps and someone does something bad to you it’s not your fault and you have zero responsibility towards that bad thing which happened. Not having/doing something which is a “good to have” doesn’t make you responsible for shit when shit happens.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 07:01 PM)
Yeah, so I'm waiting for more people to jump and say teacher is 0% fault.
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here i come
i would say not 5% should be 1%
the teacher already told the class whoever that will be butthurt can leave the class, at last still got student butthurt tell the parents
1% because he should just kick all students that might be butthurt, shouldnt have taken a chance

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here's an experiment that shows people have different opinions as to the responsibilies of both parties

in that thread I simply reversed the roles of this case, and the majority don't think it's 100% the perpetrator's fault for what happened.

i personally think that the guy is partly responsible for what happened to him, so this is not about "victim blaming" when a "rape" happens. it's simply about people being irresponsible with their own actions that lead to risky situations and undesirable consequences.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5051874&hl=


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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 07:11 PM)
Nope. He’s not responsible for what happened to him at all. Although he could have been more responsible in practicing caution in order to avoid it from happening.

Again, being responsible to yourself to avoid things from happening is a workaround. Just like workarounds at work, it’s a good to have but if something fails because of someone else actions, it’s not your fault if you don’t have or didn’t use a workaround. Let me give you an example la, a machine breaks down due to the maintenance guy not servicing it properly, do you blame the person who needs the machine to complete his job for not having or applying a workaround? No right?
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In a professional environment, every worker has its set responsibilities.

In a social setting, you are responsible for putting yourself in a risky situation.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 07:12 PM)
scorptimyanoewat

here's an experiment that shows people have different opinions as to the responsibilies of both parties

in that thread I simply reversed the roles of this case, and the majority don't think it's 100% the perpetrator's fault for what happened.

i personally think that the guy is partly responsible for what happened to him, so this is not about "victim blaming" when a "rape" happens. it's simply about people being irresponsible with their own actions that lead to risky situations and undesirable consequences.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5051874&hl=
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Enough lar. At first, I thought you misspoke only and you are not blaming the victim but merely explaining how many sickos criminal are out there.

Now, you are clearly asrcribing that she is partly at fault and how many people agrees with you. Just because an idea is more popular doesn't make it truer.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 07:11 PM)
Nope. He’s not responsible for what happened to him at all. Although he could have been more responsible in practicing caution in order to avoid it from happening.

Again, being responsible to yourself to avoid things from happening is a workaround. Just like workarounds at work, it’s a good to have but if something fails because of someone else actions, it’s not your fault if you don’t have or didn’t use a workaround. Let me give you an example la, a machine breaks down due to the maintenance guy not servicing it properly, do you blame the person who needs the machine to complete his job for not having or applying a workaround? No right?
Yeah, for me it’s like this. If you do something to trigger someone, they have every right to trigger you back or do something of a similar scale in response. But if you go overboard, then it’s 100% not the other party fault already.
Bro, If you take the additional steps you have higher chance of avoiding it, completely agreed. But if you don’t take those steps  and someone does something bad to you it’s not your fault and you have zero responsibility towards that bad thing which happened. Not having/doing something which is a “good to have” doesn’t make you responsible for shit when shit happens.
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ok, and its not your fault for not taking those steps to prevent something from happening, then whats the use of saying that AFTER something happened? can we undo it? can she get back her virginity after being raped? no right?

so whats the best solution? be more dilligent and take preventive measures right? be proactive and take up the responsibility of taking care of your own safety first to PREVENT something bad from happening, instead of feeling regret why didnt do this do that AFTER the incident happened

1) be proactive and be responsible towards your own safety/actions - High chance of avoiding a bad incident from happening
2) no proactive and dont care, tidak apa attitude, dont need to be responsible for your own safety, push that responsibility fully to law enforcements - getting robbed, snatched, raped, or even killed

which choice do you want to take?
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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 07:26 PM)
Enough lar. At first, I thought you misspoke only and you are not blaming the victim but merely explaining how many sickos criminal are out there.

Now, you are clearly asrcribing that she is partly at fault and how many people agrees with you. Just because an idea is more popular doesn't make it truer.
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Except it's true because risky behavior subjects you to undesirable real life consequences. You can be totally morally right and legally right but what you do affects what happens to you. That's real life. You can test it out yourself by exposing yourself to risky situations.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 07:12 PM)
scorptimyanoewat

here's an experiment that shows people have different opinions as to the responsibilies of both parties

in that thread I simply reversed the roles of this case, and the majority don't think it's 100% the perpetrator's fault for what happened.

i personally think that the guy is partly responsible for what happened to him, so this is not about "victim blaming" when a "rape" happens. it's simply about people being irresponsible with their own actions that lead to risky situations and undesirable consequences.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5051874&hl=
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If you’re saying that views are different when it’s comes to women against men, I agree, it’s always been that way. Nothing new.

I still think it’s not the guys fault for being robbed. It’s obviously the robbers fault.

QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 07:15 PM)
In a professional environment, every worker has its set responsibilities.

In a social setting, you are responsible for putting yourself in a risky situation.
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But you’re not responsible for the crime that happened. That’s my whole point. So when talking about the responsibility of a crime, why focus on the risk management of the victim?

QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 07:27 PM)
ok, and its not your fault for not taking those steps to prevent something from happening, then whats the use of saying that AFTER something happened? can we undo it? can she get back her virginity after being raped? no right?

so whats the best solution? be more dilligent and take preventive measures right? be proactive and take up the responsibility of taking care of your own safety first to PREVENT something bad from happening, instead of feeling regret why didnt do this do that AFTER the incident happened

1) be proactive and be responsible towards your own safety/actions - High chance of avoiding a bad incident from happening
2) no proactive and dont care, tidak apa attitude, dont need to be responsible for your own safety, push that responsibility fully to law enforcements - getting robbed, snatched, raped, or even killed

which choice do you want to take?
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If you ask me which choice I will take, I will take choice 1.

But the fact still remains that even if someone else take option 2, it is not their responsibility when a crime is done against them. They should not be blamed for it.

Good thing that you brought up the fact that once something has happened it cannot be turned back.

So since the rape has already happened, what the fuck is the point to point finger at the victim saying you should have or could have done this? Can it rewind time? No right? You’re just adding salt to ppl wound by doing that and it really doesn’t add any value at all to the whole situation or to the victim.
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You do understand that women have no problem NOT being around men they don't find attractive right? icon_idea.gif

That's why you have rape done by people known to them ... THEY DIDN'T FIND THE OTHER NON-RAPING GUYS ATTRACTIVE OR WORTH KNOWING hmm.gif

A lot of people understand the situation in that way, I'm not the only one whistling.gif

QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 3 2020, 09:55 AM)
i got your point...its you that thought it is OK to blame the victim because she should expect the worst in every guy
right?

is tat what you're trying to say?
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 07:41 PM)
If you’re saying that views are different when it’s comes to women against men, I agree, it’s always been that way. Nothing new.
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No. I'm saying my view is exactly the same. Both the guy being robbed, and woman being raped, are partly responsible for engaging in risky behavior.

QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 07:41 PM)
I still think it’s not the guys fault for being robbed. It’s obviously the robbers fault.
But you’re not responsible for the crime that happened. That’s my whole point. So when talking about the responsibility of a crime, why focus on the risk management of the victim?
If you ask me which choice I will take, I will take choice 1.

But the fact still remains that even if someone else take option 2, it is not their responsibility when a crime is done against them. They should not be blamed for it.
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I never said the victim is at fault. I said the victim is partly responsible for engaging in risky behavior. But you and the the other poster kept arguing that I'm saying the victim is at fault.

"At fault" is not the same as "being responsible to yourself", the former is the subject perpertrating a criminal act, the latter is the target engaging in risky behavior. THIS IS IMPORTANT. READ IT AGAIN.

I also never said the victim is responsible for the crime. You and the other guy kept assuming I said that, no that's not what I meant. My standpoint is that the victim is partly responsible for himself/herself, NOT THE CRIME, BUT TO ONESELF.

If you engage yourself in a risky situation, and someone commits a crime on you, that person is responsible for the crime, but you are responsible for putting yourself in a risky situation. Different responsibilities.






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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 07:30 PM)
Except it's true because risky behavior subjects you to undesirable real life consequences. You can be totally morally right and legally right but what you do affects what happens to you. That's real life. You can test it out yourself by exposing yourself to risky situations.
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Just because some random poll or even 51% of the world agrees with you doesn't change my mind that it's disgusting to think the jap girl is partly at fault in this rape episode. I don't need you to tell me how sick this world is as if it's an enlightenment. I just cannot accept blaming the victim in this case. Whereas, you do.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 07:41 PM)
If you’re saying that views are different when it’s comes to women against men, I agree, it’s always been that way. Nothing new.

I still think it’s not the guys fault for being robbed. It’s obviously the robbers fault.
But you’re not responsible for the crime that happened. That’s my whole point. So when talking about the responsibility of a crime, why focus on the risk management of the victim?
If you ask me which choice I will take, I will take choice 1.

But the fact still remains that even if someone else take option 2, it is not their responsibility when a crime is done against them. They should not be blamed for it.

Good thing that you brought up the fact that once something has happened it cannot be turned back.

So since the rape has already happened, what the fuck is the point to point finger at the victim saying you should have or could have done this? Can it rewind time? No right? You’re just adding salt to ppl wound by doing that and it really doesn’t add any value at all to the whole situation or to the victim.
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we are just doing post mortem on the incident, and see what should be done to avoid such incidents from happening again, there are still many naive girls out there that dont know the "cruelty" of this world, and its important to let them know how this happened and what steps needed to be taken to avoid these date rapes, if you have a teenage daughter and you see this case in the news, dont tell me you wont go advise or tell her there is these date rapes happening and their MO and what steps she should take in future to prevent the same thing from happening to her? icon_idea.gif

if we all have the "ok dont talk about it anymore, it already happened, lets move on" attitude, then just wait until the next victim got raped and repeat the cycle again jangan persoal? respect the victim, its not her fault, dont say she should have done this she should have done that, dont say anything and just move on

in robbery and scam cases etc, many ppl also will talk about the postmortem and say the victim should have done this done that why so stupid fall to such scams etc, and learn lessons from those incidents, so why cant we discuss about rape cases postmortem? is it that woman got special rights that we all should just keep quiet and jangan persoal if there are rape cases? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(yanoewat @ Nov 3 2020, 07:54 PM)
Just because some random poll or even 51% of the world agrees with you doesn't change my mind that it's disgusting to think the jap girl is partly at fault in this rape episode. I don't need you to tell me how sick this world is as if it's an enlightenment. I just cannot accept blaming the victim in this case. Whereas, you do.
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It doesn't matter if you accept or not. You can sit on your high horse all you want, I don't care. Even the poll is irrelevant if you wish it so.

My piece of advice to you, real life is not fantasy imaginary world where you can be void of all responsibilities and do whatever risky behaviors you like as long as it's morally and legally right without weighing the consequences of what might happen to you or your loved ones. And I hope you watch out for idiot drivers from another direction even though you have green light on your road, even if not for yourself, do it for those sitting in your car.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 07:52 PM)
No. I'm saying my view is exactly the same. Both the guy being robbed, and woman being raped, are partly responsible for engaging in risky behavior.
I never said the victim is at fault. I said the victim is partly responsible for engaging in risky behavior. But you and the the other poster kept arguing that I'm saying the victim is at fault.

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What consider risky? Kena robbed at home bcoz the home is not designed to be nuclear-safe?

My friend kena robbed just by walking outside to the house to his car...so his fauly for engaging in risky behavior? he shud call 911 to escort him?
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Just imagine the girl as retarded, then you can tell who is in the wrong
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 07:52 PM)
No. I'm saying my view is exactly the same. Both the guy being robbed, and woman being raped, are partly responsible for engaging in risky behavior.
I never said the victim is at fault. I said the victim is partly responsible for engaging in risky behavior. But you and the the other poster kept arguing that I'm saying the victim is at fault.

"At fault" is not the same as "being responsible to yourself", the former is the subject perpertrating a criminal act, the latter is the target engaging in risky behavior. THIS IS IMPORTANT. READ IT AGAIN.

I also never said the victim is responsible for the crime. You and the other guy kept assuming I said that, no that's not what I meant. My standpoint is that the victim is partly responsible for himself/herself, NOT THE CRIME, BUT TO ONESELF.

If you engage yourself in a risky situation, and someone commits a crime on you, that person is responsible for the crime, but you are responsible for putting yourself in a risky situation. Different responsibilities.
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Ok then if that’s your point then it’s understandable but you sure got a weird way of wording it which can be easily misunderstood.

QUOTE(steady bro @ Nov 3 2020, 07:56 PM)
we are just doing post mortem on the incident, and see what should be done to avoid such incidents from happening again, there are still many naive girls out there that dont know the "cruelty" of this world, and its important to let them know how this happened and what steps needed to be taken to avoid these date rapes, if you have a teenage daughter and you see this case in the news, dont tell me you wont go advise or tell her there is these date rapes happening and their MO and what steps she should take in future to prevent the same thing from happening to her? icon_idea.gif

if we all have the "ok dont talk about it anymore, it already happened, lets move on" attitude, then just wait until the next victim got raped and repeat the cycle again jangan persoal? respect the victim, its not her fault, dont say she should have done this she should have done that, dont say anything and just move on

in robbery and scam cases etc, many ppl also will talk about the postmortem and say the victim should have done this done that why so stupid fall to such scams etc, and learn lessons from those incidents, so why cant we discuss about rape cases postmortem? is it that woman got special rights that we all should just keep quiet and jangan persoal if there are rape cases? hmm.gif
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No one said you can’t do post mortem and to share prevention tips. But then again, not a single comment here going saying “in future women should this this this to minimise the chances of..”

Most of it is going “she brought a guy back home to drink alcohol, what did she expect” that’s just victim blaming. It’s taking a piss on an open wound. Similarly if someone got scammed and you go oh bodohnya why didn’t check first or you going to someone and say sohai why keep so much money at home? None of that is helping.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 08:24 PM)
Ok then if that’s your point then it’s understandable but you sure got a weird way of wording it which can be easily misunderstood.
No one said you can’t do post mortem and to share prevention tips. But then again, not a single comment here going saying “in future women should this this this to minimise the chances of..”

Most of it is going “she brought a guy back home to drink alcohol, what did she expect” that’s just victim blaming. It’s taking a piss on an open wound. Similarly if someone got scammed and you go oh bodohnya why didn’t check first or you going to someone and say sohai why keep so much money at home? None of that is helping.
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most of us here are just saying her naive and she should be more dilligent not to invite strangers to her house and she will be able to avoid this incident, is this victim blaming? its just casual kopitiam/mamak style of talking, dont tell me u never engage in such conversations with your friends/family before? u see news of ppl getting macau-scammed, dont tell me u dont say "eh bodohnya this person, like dat also can kena scammed, so bodoh and desperate"? and in real life we all might say even nastier stuffs too whistling.gif

so did i say she deserves to be raped because of her naivety/stupidity? and we dont even know the real victim or who she is, if viral on fb or socmed with her name and photos etc circulating around then that one diff story la i wont comment like this say she naive not dilligent etc

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What consider risky? Kena robbed at home bcoz the home is not designed to be nuclear-safe?

My friend kena robbed just by walking outside to the house to his car...so his fauly for engaging in risky behavior? he shud call 911 to escort him?
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This particular case is risky behavior. It's case by case basis.
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What consider risky? Kena robbed at home bcoz the home is not designed to be nuclear-safe?

My friend kena robbed just by walking outside to the house to his car...so his fauly for engaging in risky behavior? he shud call 911 to escort him?
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anything is risky, its just how high and low the risk, a person can also die at home by just falling down in a freak manner, but is falling down at home like this more likely to happen than lets say walking on a floor full of banana skins?
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apa yini panjang tered?
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Japanese woman dating Yemeni man in Malaysia (starting October 28)

Man turned up outside apartment with food and alcohol (dunno when)

Woman lets man in.

Much later, woman locks the door behind her, tells cops that man raped her.

(I think) Previously in Japan she had no problem with Japanese men turning up to her house with alcohol and food, and not getting raped.

So getting raped by a guy she just met who she let into her apartment, that he was carrying food and alcohol, is a new and unpleasant experience for her.

I am sure people will let me know if my sequence of events was wrong brows.gif

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apa yini panjang tered?
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BTW, that dude also force her to do anal, so he is going to jail whether it is consensual or not. Wasted. Hope he could survive malaysia jail
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here i come
i would say not 5% should be 1%
the teacher already told the class whoever that will be butthurt can leave the class, at last still got student butthurt tell the parents
1% because he should just kick all students that might be butthurt, shouldnt have taken a chance
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I'm ok with 1% too. I'm NOT OK with 0%.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 09:25 PM)
BTW, that dude also force her to do anal, so he is going to jail whether it is consensual or not. Wasted. Hope he could survive malaysia jail
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 3 2020, 08:24 PM)
But then again, not a single comment here going saying “in future women should this this this to minimise the chances of..”
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QUOTE(farisq @ Nov 3 2020, 02:42 PM)
All ladies can practice asking these question:

1 do I know him enough to trust him and allow him to enter my house?
2 if I encounter unwanted behaviour, can I tell him to stop. Would he listen?
3 it things get worst can I physically defend myself?

If the answer is no, better choose a safer environment
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Actually, you call guy come to your house with booze, you think that guy come to play poker? Its obvious isnt it?
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Actually, you call guy come to your house with booze, you think that guy come to play poker? Its obvious isnt it?
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Drinking is Japanese culture, raping drinking women is Arab culture.

Those 2 don't mix very well, unless getting raped is Japanese culture.
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Came to play poke her. Same sound, different game brows.gif

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Actually, you call guy come to your house with booze, you think that guy come to play poker? Its obvious isnt it?
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apa yini panjang tered?
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good, then u should do things like putting bags containing expensive stuffs on ur passenger seat, u should wear a handbag and walk like normal in kl streets

u should wear big gold chains when u go out

and one day when ur bags got snatched or your gold chain got robbed, dont cry father mother ya, just take it like a man and say u made the right decisions, and continue to do so even after u got snatched or robbed 999 times
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so you're saying if someone became a victim, then that fella need to take part of the blame as well?

for causing a theft or incident to happen?

so if a perpetrator got jailed for 2 wks..the victim need to share the burden and maybe kena jail for 3 days?

that's the agenda you're pushing, right?
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 3 2020, 03:12 PM)
no one wants to be raped = no one wants to have trouble

anyone who wants to stay out of trouble has a certain level of responsibility towards his everyday actions, you can't just blame others everything and not take any responsibility whenever something bad happened.

we can dive deeper into semantics. the victim is not to be blamed for being raped. but she bears part responsibility to a likelihood that something bad can happen given the circumstances she put herself in. it doesn't have to be rape, it could have been a robbery, or even just burglary.
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i still dont get the portion about the victim need to bear part of the responsibility in an incident, like rape here

so you're saying if a rape occur, the victim need to take responsibility for providing an opportunity for a rape to occur

that means the victim need to be held accountable for her action and as such, she need to bear part of responsibility

as in if the rapist got 1 year jail, then the victim need to be punished for providing such chance to occur, and as such, should probably be jailed for maybe 3 days? something like an accessory to make a crime happen?
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 3 2020, 03:45 PM)
Some observations

Most post start with rape is worng, three words, then proceed to discuss the responsibility of victim of letting it happens
Yeap, that is how they rolls.
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i guess rape happening to female would not happen if there is NO FEMALE

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Came to play poke her. Same sound, different game brows.gif
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Nov 3 2020, 10:52 PM)
Drinking is Japanese culture, raping drinking women is Arab culture.

Those 2 don't mix very well, unless getting raped is Japanese culture.
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It is also Korean culture. My ex-Korean girl housemate invited boys and girls drink together also.

In short, wipe out the Arabs and South Asians. Sampah.

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QUOTE(klein @ Nov 4 2020, 09:08 AM)
It is also Korean culture. My ex-Korean girl housemate invited boys and girls drink together also.

In short, wipe out the Arabs and South Asians. Sampah.
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yellow skin racist against brown skin. Hmm.. sounds familiar here in Malaysia
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Actually, you call guy come to your house with booze, you think that guy come to play poker? Its obvious isnt it?
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so your culture is booze + house = sex?


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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 4 2020, 09:33 AM)
so your culture is booze + house = sex?
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Booze + house + 1wimin + 1 man = sex
Got other people think doing other thing?


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Sodomised on first date is definitely not normal and with concent.
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Possible to also organize to make molotov cocktail kot. hmm.gif

But that one can also be 1wimin + 1wimin, 1man + 1 man

QUOTE(~min~ @ Nov 4 2020, 09:38 AM)
Booze + house + 1wimin + 1 man = sex
Got other people think doing other thing?
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i still dont get the portion about the victim need to bear part of the responsibility in an incident, like rape here

so you're saying if a rape occur, the victim need to take responsibility for providing an opportunity for a rape to occur

that means the victim need to be held accountable for her action and as such, she need to bear part of responsibility

as in if the rapist got 1 year jail, then the victim need to be punished for providing such chance to occur, and as such, should probably be jailed for maybe 3 days? something like an accessory to make a crime happen?
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I'm not talking about the rape itself. I'm talking about exposing yourself to a risky situation that is likely to result in something bad taking place. No I did not say the victim is to be held accountable for the rape. She's only accountable for exposing herself in risky behavior which happened BEFORE the rape. The rape could have happened, could have not. Or other type of crime could have happened. This is regardless of whether a crime happens or not, she exposed herself to a risky situation. This is not about the rape or crime, but her own behavior.
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QUOTE(~min~ @ Nov 4 2020, 09:38 AM)
Booze + house + 1wimin + 1 man = sex
Got other people think doing other thing?
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so i reckon if u happen to have dinner with ur mum alone and was sipping beer..then suddenly poof..ur fucking ur mum?
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Normal depends on the person, each person is different. brows.gif

Must recognise that each person is different, we are a democracy.

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Sodomised on first date is definitely not normal and with concent.
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I'm not talking about the rape itself. I'm talking about exposing yourself to a risky situation that is likely to result in something bad taking place. No I did not say the victim is to be held accountable for the rape. She's only accountable for exposing herself in risky behavior which happened BEFORE the rape. The rape could have happened, could have not. Or other type of crime could have happened. This is regardless of whether a crime happens or not, she exposed herself to a risky situation. This is not about the rape or crime, but her own behavior.
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you did mentioned bout the victim be required to hold accountability and responsibility for not managing the correct expectation and taking necessary precaution

which i have asked many times on :

- whose level of expectation? you? mine? the person next door?
- what sort of necessary precaution? and at which level? yours? or mine?

because we know if it is yours, then that means house + food + wimmin + alcohol = sex

and mine is not...
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 4 2020, 10:08 AM)
you did mentioned bout the victim be required to hold accountability and responsibility for not managing the correct expectation and taking necessary precaution

which i have asked many times on :

- whose level of expectation? you? mine? the person next door?
- what sort of necessary precaution? and at which level? yours? or mine?

because we know if it is yours, then that means house + food + wimmin + alcohol = sex

and mine is not...
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that house + food quote was what I casually said when this was a /k thread, and since the discussion went serious, I have time and again elaborated on my actual views on this, no point bringing that up

you can't have a FOREIGN MAN you BARELY KNOW, in your PRIVATE SPACE and consume ALCOHOL. that itself is RISKY behavior in this IMPERFECT SOCIETY no matter how you put it. no man in his right mind would allow his wife/girlfriend/daughter to be in such situation, regardless of whether a crime takes place or not.


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QUOTE(AnimeSinceForever @ Nov 3 2020, 09:16 PM)
Japanese woman dating Yemeni man in Malaysia (starting October 28)

Man turned up outside apartment with food and alcohol (dunno when)

Woman lets man in.

Much later, woman locks the door behind her, tells cops that man raped her.

(I think) Previously in Japan she had no problem with Japanese men turning up to her house with alcohol and food, and not getting raped.

So getting raped by a guy she just met who she let into her apartment, that he was carrying food and alcohol, is a new and unpleasant experience for her.

I am sure people will let me know if my sequence of events was wrong brows.gif
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arab ofc lol. arab less just abit in raping compared to india. probly bcos they more hensem than india so less classified as raping kek
jepang girl literally went hentai-ed where no=yes. dame! dame! *ahegao*
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 4 2020, 10:15 AM)
that house + food quote was what I casually said when this was a /k thread, and since the discussion went serious, I have time and again elaborated on my actual views on this, no point bringing that up

you can't have a FOREIGN MAN you BARELY KNOW, in your PRIVATE SPACE and consume ALCOHOL. that itself is RISKY behavior in this IMPERFECT SOCIETY no matter how you put it. no man in his right mind would allow his wife/girlfriend/daughter to be in such situation, regardless of whether a crime takes place or not.
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disagree - if you want to play the risky behaviour card, then its applicable to everyone and everything regardless of whether u know that person for 1 day or 1 decade

and reason why i dont want to walk down that path because by then i would be no different from the monster you are

which is in any incident that happen, i would take your easy fuck up way out and say, ' kan dah kena. abang memang abang la..tapi kan dia laki juga. ada kotek untuk konkek. pasai pa tinggal kat rumah sorang2 dgn dia'.

you see how every incident/crime and whatnot can be blamed to the victim and have the victim to be held accountable and responsible?

what you are doing now, are shaping the perception that whatever crime occur, the victim are to be held responsible and partly blame for for putting him/herself into that situation..

you're paving the road for someone to take the blame to a higher level and push everything else to the victim

which is something i am not capable of thinking on how a human with any compassion could even dream of having such thought.
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 4 2020, 10:21 AM)
disagree - if you want to play the risky behaviour card, then its applicable to everyone and everything regardless of whether u know that person for 1 day or 1 decade

and reason why i dont want to walk down that path because by then i would be no different from the monster you are

which is in any incident that happen, i would take your easy fuck up way out and say, ' kan dah kena. abang memang abang la..tapi kan dia laki juga. ada kotek untuk konkek. pasai pa tinggal kat rumah sorang2 dgn dia'.

you see how every incident/crime and whatnot can be blamed to the victim and have the victim to be held accountable and responsible?

what you are doing now, are shaping the perception that whatever crime occur, the victim are to be held responsible and partly blame for for putting him/herself into that situation..

you're paving the road for someone to take the blame to a higher level and push everything else to the victim

which is something i am not capable of thinking on how a human with any compassion could even dream of having such thought.
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whatever man, i'm tired of arguing. you do you.

like i said to the other poster, i hope you watch out for idiot drivers from other directions even when you have green light on your road and not just drive blindly because you are 'right'. this is real world and everyone has responsibility towards self to not be risky.
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whatever man, i'm tired of arguing. you do you.

like i said to the other poster, i hope you watch out for idiot drivers from other directions even when you have green light on your road and not just drive blindly because you are 'right'. this is real world and everyone has responsibility towards self to not be risky.
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then i hope that whenever some incident happen to you, even when you're right, ppl start blame you as well.
hope it goes out to everyone you know too... heh
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I suspect someone has rape fantasies and try to console himself by insisting victim had to share the responsibility of his possible actions
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I suspect someone has rape fantasies and try to console himself by insisting victim had to share the responsibility of his possible actions
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paving the road 1st..so society will think its partially the victim's fault

when time comes, can start raping and say :

- who ask her to show me her long legs?

- who ask her to walk alone?

- and who the fuck ask her to stay at home alone?

i am a batang ok! i see wiminz, i wanna fuck

tagging J1g54w in case u need backup story to cover for future potential
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QUOTE(jimliew @ Nov 4 2020, 10:36 AM)
I suspect someone has rape fantasies and try to console himself by insisting victim had to share the responsibility of his possible actions
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 4 2020, 10:38 AM)
paving the road 1st..so society will think its partially the victim's fault

when time comes, can start raping and say :

- who ask her to show me her long legs?

- who ask her to walk alone?

- and who the fuck ask her to stay at home alone?

i am a batang ok! i see wiminz, i wanna fuck

tagging J1g54w in case u need backup story to cover for future potential
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whatever floats your imaginary boats. i prefer to live in reality and becareful of people.
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QUOTE(Micozole @ Nov 4 2020, 10:38 AM)
paving the road 1st..so society will think its partially the victim's fault

when time comes, can start raping and say :

- who ask her to show me her long legs?

- who ask her to walk alone?

- and who the fuck ask her to stay at home alone?

i am a batang ok! i see wiminz, i wanna fuck

tagging J1g54w in case u need backup story to cover for future potential
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Even start a poll to test water. To me that was the creepiest thing ever, no matter how the scenario was twisted
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PAS logic....she asked for it
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Its common sense, if u get eaten after entering a lion's den, its not the lion fault. If u leave ur house door opened, its not that the thief is innocent, its just that u r also at fault. Dont blieve? If u park ur car at the side of the road and somebody crashed into it, no insurance are going to cover u..

So obviously the middle eastern man is wrong, thats one thing for sure. But what the girl did is just stupid
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wah damn long thread, here's what you all should know:

1. the rapist is definitely at fault. I don't think anyone is defending him, clear cut. *cb if i saw him i also will whack 9 him la damn jav plot

2. Some say, the victim had to share the responsibility of being raped. Truth is yes - because victim is at the losing end here, as harsh as it sound, you have something to lose, which is - you got raped. Victim is already bearing the consequences whether you like it or not.

Imagine if that's your GF, and only now u found out she always ask foreigner/men to come to her house at night, to eat and stuffs, with alcohol. Seriously maybe you're a better man, but i can tell you i'll flip the fk out and most probably break up with her for having such a poor choice of actions.
If you're a better man then me, then maybe you'll say to your gf "aww poor thing, nevermind next time invite men to your house at night - don't drink alcohol ya?"
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QUOTE(muhdmafni @ Nov 4 2020, 10:49 AM)
Its common sense, if u get eaten after entering a lion's den, its not the lion fault. If u leave ur house door opened, its not that the thief is innocent, its just that u r also at fault. Dont blieve? If u park ur car at the side of the road and somebody crashed into it, no insurance are going to cover u..

So obviously the middle eastern man is wrong, thats one thing for sure. But what the girl did is just stupid
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That is how your culture teach you huh?


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whatever floats your imaginary boats. i prefer to live in reality and becareful of people.
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does not matter

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Even  start a poll to test water. To me that was the creepiest thing ever, no matter how the scenario was twisted
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probably felt bad and guilty

so need society's agreement so he would feel at ease to carry out the strike in future
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QUOTE(muhdmafni @ Nov 4 2020, 10:49 AM)
Its common sense, if u get eaten after entering a lion's den, its not the lion fault. If u leave ur house door opened, its not that the thief is innocent, its just that u r also at fault. Dont blieve? If u park ur car at the side of the road and somebody crashed into it, no insurance are going to cover u..

So obviously the middle eastern man is wrong, thats one thing for sure. But what the girl did is just stupid
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ahh..another victim blaming fella

so what incident u got urself into that let you blame your victim and share the responsibility in order for you to feel better, and to be able to carry out your next strike?
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QUOTE(jimliew @ Nov 4 2020, 10:46 AM)
Even  start a poll to test water. To me that was the creepiest thing ever, no matter how the scenario was twisted
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you don't sohai la. that poll was to show you even if it's not a rape, the victim was partly responsible for being risky. i wasn't defending the criminal, criminal is criminal.

my point has always been towards personal responsibility of people making risky choices.

i asked in this thread, nobody answered. if a woman travels alone in New Delhi and walks through shady streets at night, is she being responsible to herself?
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 4 2020, 11:01 AM)
you don't sohai la. that poll was to show you even if it's not a rape, the victim was partly responsible for being risky. i wasn't defending the criminal, criminal is criminal.

my point has always been towards personal responsibility of people making risky choices.

i asked in this thread, nobody answered. if a woman travels alone in New Delhi and walks through shady streets at night, is she being responsible to herself?
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Not the same, she was in her own home, try harder
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All should go watch this old movie THE ACCUSED starring jodie foster based on a true story.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 4 2020, 11:01 AM)
you don't sohai la. that poll was to show you even if it's not a rape, the victim was partly responsible for being risky. i wasn't defending the criminal, criminal is criminal.

my point has always been towards personal responsibility of people making risky choices.

i asked in this thread, nobody answered. if a woman travels alone in New Delhi and walks through shady streets at night, is she being responsible to herself?
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The movie THE ACCUSED may have some answer for you.
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QUOTE(jimliew @ Nov 4 2020, 11:06 AM)
Not the same, she was in her own home, try harder
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you don't bring a foreign man you barely know into your own home and have alcohol, and not admit that it's a risky behavior. common sense.

you guys are just arguing for the sake of arguing, resorting to cyber-bullying, name-calling and low life shit.
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QUOTE(Sic_def2020 @ Nov 4 2020, 11:10 AM)
The movie THE ACCUSED may have some answer for you.
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No. So much wrong with first sentence already. That my friend, is risky behavior. Which she is responsible for herself.

What happened in that bar, is definitely the fault of the rapists and those who watched in glee. You want to get my point-of-view proper, you might need to read all the posts here.

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Out drinking one night after a fight with her boyfriend, Sarah Tobias (Jodie Foster) is brutally raped by three men in a bar while people watch and cheer. District Attorney Kathryn Murphy (Kelly McGillis) takes the case, however allows the rapists to receive a mild sentence. A distraught Sarah decides to seek punishment for the men who witnessed and encouraged the rape. To get justice, Sarah must take the stand and revisit the night of her attack in this drama based on true events.

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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 4 2020, 11:15 AM)
No. So much wrong with first sentence already. That my friend, is risky behavior. Which she is responsible for herself.

What happened in that bar, is definitely the fault of the rapists and those who watched in glee. You want to get my point-of-view proper, you might need to read all the posts here.
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Oh I see. I was hoping it would answer this q u post.

"i asked in this thread, nobody answered. if a woman travels alone in New Delhi and walks through shady streets at night, is she being responsible to herself?"

The bar in the movie kinda shady too. Maybe she is walking down the "shady" street trying desperately to get back to her home and family after work.. working hard to earn her living in this hard world.

Take care.
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OO OOK AAK NYIIIEEEET NYIETT NYIEEEEEEEEEEET
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shiet,

this thread still going on?

Just end the pointless debate already, everyone has their own opinions and you guys can't expect to changed them through internet debating
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QUOTE(Sic_def2020 @ Nov 4 2020, 11:21 AM)
Oh I see. I was hoping it would answer this q u post.

"i asked in this thread, nobody answered. if a woman travels alone in New Delhi and walks through shady streets at night, is she being responsible to herself?"

The bar in the movie kinda shady too. Maybe she is walking down the "shady" street trying desperately to get back to her home and family after work.. working hard to earn her living in this hard world.

Take care.
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If you want to argue with circumstances, there's endless possibilities. How about a foreign woman choose to travel to New Delhi for leisure, and choose to walk through shady streets at night then?

Look, there's fantasy utopia world where everyone is good and zero criminals. In this world, you can do whatever you want without any risk.

Then there's our real world where you have to take care of yourself and reduce the risk of something bad happening to you wherever possible.

Don't just argue for the sake of arguing. Will you risk yourself or your loved ones in vulnerable situations when you can avoid it? If you say yes, then it's apparent that you need the "take care" more than I do.

This post has been edited by J1g54w: Nov 4 2020, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(Maja Helmi @ Nov 2 2020, 09:42 PM)
Maybe because not all Arab people is Muslim.

And if he's Muslim, not all Muslim is religious.
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why you spoil the vibe ler.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(delon85 @ Nov 3 2020, 05:33 PM)
I already told you I tried to look for it but couldnt find.

You bodoh ke apa saying something without proof?
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You can easily google it

Why i need to spoonfed malas ppl
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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 4 2020, 01:15 PM)
You can easily google it

Why i need to spoonfed malas ppl
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Not so easy it seems. Didnt come out in search.

Why dont you just admit you bullshit your "facts".
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QUOTE(delon85 @ Nov 4 2020, 01:24 PM)
Not so easy it seems. Didnt come out in search.

Why dont you just admit you bullshit your "facts".
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Ma god

You really lazy arent you

Give you some sample - in Canada intoxication either by drug or alcohol can be use for defence as long you can prove you intoxicated at high level


user posted image
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 4 2020, 11:38 AM)
If you want to argue with circumstances, there's endless possibilities. How about a foreign woman choose to travel to New Delhi for leisure, and choose to walk through shady streets at night then?

Look, there's fantasy utopia world where everyone is good and zero criminals. In this world, you can do whatever you want without any risk.

Then there's our real world where you have to take care of yourself and reduce the risk of something bad happening to you wherever possible.

Don't just argue for the sake of arguing. Will you risk yourself or your loved ones in vulnerable situations when you can avoid it? If you say yes, then it's apparent that you need the "take care" more than I do.
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blabla bla bl abla blaaaaa

janji victim is partly to be blame

yup...now i am following your mindset nod.gif
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Nov 4 2020, 11:01 AM)
you don't sohai la. that poll was to show you even if it's not a rape, the victim was partly responsible for being risky. i wasn't defending the criminal, criminal is criminal.

my point has always been towards personal responsibility of people making risky choices.

i asked in this thread, nobody answered. if a woman travels alone in New Delhi and walks through shady streets at night, is she being responsible to herself?
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of course she's wrong la..remember, we should all follow your perception that all victim need to be hold accountable for their action in being a victim as well

and stop reporting me to the mods la..because you should be partly held accountable for my action also ma...

HAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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QUOTE(Stigonboard @ Nov 4 2020, 01:28 PM)
Ma god

You really lazy arent you

Give you some sample - in Canada intoxication either by drug or alcohol can be use for defence as long you can prove you intoxicated at high level
user posted image
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Section 33.1 under Canadian Criminal Code is impractical

Show me a precedent where it is used. Try again.

Topkek didnt even post source but just screenshot. You are as dumb as they come.

https://robichaudlaw.ca/the-defence-of-extr...ion-simplified/

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