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Kadaj
post Apr 18 2021, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 18 2021, 05:28 PM)
I'm still not able to figure out though, how to get the payout amount of +RM 0.77. I've tried multiple angles to calculate it, but just not abit to get, including the formula they've given in their FAQ page. If you manage to figure out, please share.

Because I made RM 1000 deposit as well, but on the 13th. However, my payout amount is similar to yours +RM 0.77.

Anyway, for rough projections of gains, for now, I'm using the estimate of 2.018%p.a. since I'm not sure of the variable.
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I'm confusing too.
How did you get the figure 2.018%?
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post Apr 18 2021, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Kadaj @ Apr 18 2021, 07:25 PM)
I'm confusing too.
How did you get the figure 2.018%?
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Embarrassing to say, so take it heavily salted.

I've yet to make sense of the +RM 0.77. Meanwhile, I need a figure to move on. So I resorted to Occam's razor. It's meant to project a ballpark "available balance" figure. Also, it seems to fall within the numbers mentioned here and also in the app. Will reevaluate again in the near future when I have more data.

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post Apr 18 2021, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 18 2021, 08:10 PM)
Embarrassing to say, so take it heavily salted.

I've yet to make sense of the +RM 0.77. Meanwhile, I need a figure to move on. So I resorted to Occam's razor. It's meant to project a ballpark "available balance" figure.  Also, it seems to fall within the numbers mentioned here and also in the app. Will reevaluate again in the near future when I have more data.

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Maybe you can try to ask versa customer service for the formula how to calculate the rate if you want to.

I'll take the easy way how much I invested and how much I received to calculate for ROI.
BTW, MMF is just a short term, temporary parking lot. I suggest spend more time to research and find a better place for long term investment with higher ROI. tongue.gif
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post Apr 19 2021, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 18 2021, 05:28 PM)
I'm still not able to figure out though, how to get the payout amount of +RM 0.77. I've tried multiple angles to calculate it, but just not abit to get, including the formula they've given in their FAQ page. If you manage to figure out, please share.

Because I made RM 1000 deposit as well, but on the 13th. However, my payout amount is similar to yours +RM 0.77.

Anyway, for rough projections of gains, for now, I'm using the estimate of 2.018%p.a. since I'm not sure of the variable.
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This time the distribution was RM 0.0009 per unit, you multiple the units you had before the payout, you should get RM 0.77
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post Apr 19 2021, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Apr 19 2021, 09:09 AM)
This time the distribution was RM 0.0009 per unit, you multiple the units you had before the payout, you should get RM 0.77
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You're right.. It does come out to be RM 0.77..thank you!

Meaning I've been looking at it with the wrong angle. "payout" amount depends on the units I have at the time.

Then what about the interest that versa is talking about?

Well.. Maybe it will be different if I have days prior to payout and since I only deposit on the 13th, most likely it's considered 0 days.

This post has been edited by shawnme: Apr 19 2021, 10:21 AM
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post Apr 19 2021, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 19 2021, 10:21 AM)
You're right.. It does come out to be RM 0.77..thank you!

Meaning I've been looking at it with the wrong angle. "payout" amount depends on the units I have at the time.

Then what about the interest that versa is talking about?


Well.. Maybe it will be different if I have days prior to payout and since I only deposit on the 13th, most likely it's considered 0 days.
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Yes, you've been looking at it the wrong angle.

Your misunderstanding is because you're stuck on the idea of "interest" in the way that it works with savings account/current account/fixed deposit or hybrid accounts like Frank, where it's calculated on monthly average balance/yearly average balance.

Versa/StashAway Simple etc. DO NOT work the same way because you're dealing with money market funds which to end user works like Unit Trust/Mutual Funds, where earnings are paid in the form of distribution based on number of units.

refer back again to my post here, item #4 and #5:

QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 14 2021, 09:00 PM)
In fact the way you're going about by doing withdrawal before dividend payout, you cannot pakai the idea of "interest"

How MMF works:

1) When you "deposit" money into Versa, you buy units at the net asset value (NAV) for the day the units are booked for you
2) As you hold into those units, profits slowly increase, which will reflect in NAV of each unit which will increase as profits are calculated into the NAV
3) On the day of distribution, the fund will deduct the profits accrued from NAV and pay out in the form of cash (dividend) which Versa auto reinvests as units. The amount they pay is depending on the number of units you hold on dividend calculation day (example: if you hold 10000 units on distribution calculation date, and distribution is 0.0009 sen per unit, you get 0.0009 x 10000 = 9 sen). So your NAV per unit goes down, but the number of units go up, so you've profited in terms of number of units (and why your balance won't exactly change).
4) If, however, you deposit and then withdraw shortly after you buy units BEFORE dividend payout date, what happens is that usually you actually sell your units off at a higher NAV, so you effectively "earn interest" because you bought lower and sell higher. If you want to know if you've earned interest, you can look at the NAV price booked during your deposit processing vs the NAV price when your withdrawal is processed.
5) The every two week dividend will only pay based on number of units you have on dividend day, but if you withdraw in the case of #4 you essentially got your dividend/profit early.

Hope that makes sense to you.
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This post has been edited by DragonReine: Apr 19 2021, 10:32 AM
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post Apr 19 2021, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 19 2021, 10:28 AM)
Yes, you've been looking at it the wrong angle.

Your misunderstanding is because you're stuck on the idea of "interest" in the way that it works with savings account/current account/fixed deposit or hybrid accounts like Frank, where it's calculated on monthly average balance/yearly average balance.

Versa/StashAway Simple etc. DO NOT work the same way because you're dealing with money market funds which to end user works like Unit Trust/Mutual Funds, where earnings are paid in the form of distribution based on number of units.

refer back again to my post here, item #4 and #5:
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Thanks for the explanation. I'm fine with the way it's supposed to work. I'm stuck because even Versa keeps using the term "interest", even in their FAQ. Such as this screenshot I took :

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post Apr 19 2021, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 19 2021, 10:39 AM)
Thanks for the explanation. I'm fine with the way it's supposed to work. I'm stuck because even Versa keeps using the term "interest", even in their FAQ. Such as this screenshot I took :

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You're "earning interest" from cash instruments aka Fixed Deposits (and a small percentage in short term bonds (loans) to government and corporate bodies) that MMFs invest in, the interest from FDs and the loan interest from bonds indirectly goes to you via the NAV and distribution. So technically not wrong, although it's again not the way most people think when related to savings accounts/FDs. I'm not sure if it's wrong per se, I'm no legal expert in marketing language laugh.gif

Versa explains how MMFs "gain interest" in their article "Where Does Your Money Go" published on their platform on 8 April 2021, in case you need an in depth explanation of how MMFs invest in FDs.

This post has been edited by DragonReine: Apr 19 2021, 11:10 AM
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post Apr 26 2021, 12:16 AM

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any Versa promo or referral code around?
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post Apr 26 2021, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(onthefly @ Apr 26 2021, 12:16 AM)
any Versa promo or referral code around?
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try not to request or share or publicize referral code in the controlled-subforums here.
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post Apr 26 2021, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(onthefly @ Apr 26 2021, 12:16 AM)
any Versa promo or referral code around?
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ask ppl pm u aje jika ada referral code cool2.gif
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QUOTE(onthefly @ Apr 26 2021, 12:16 AM)
any Versa promo or referral code around?
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https://www.facebook.com/VersaMY/posts/3057...ction&ref=notif
here you go
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post Apr 27 2021, 08:59 AM

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Came across this as well
https://www.facebook.com/1545929865692195/p...02211/?sfnsn=mo

Can try your luck using referral code: ZGXVERSA, first 150 successful new users with minimum deposit of RM30 can get RM10 Shopee Voucher.
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post Apr 30 2021, 05:08 PM

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hello, new to this... some questions:
1) asking... versa and SA Simple, any other alternative?
2) for current month, whats the interest rate offered?
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post Apr 30 2021, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(whycanot323 @ Apr 30 2021, 05:08 PM)
hello, new to this... some questions:
1) asking... versa and SA Simple, any other alternative?
2) for current month, whats the interest rate offered?
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Go+ but interest average daily at 1.47% pa

Both versa and as simple is at 2.1% pa and 2.08% pa

Don’t look at yearly and look at MTD and weekly
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post Apr 30 2021, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(whycanot323 @ Apr 30 2021, 05:08 PM)
hello, new to this... some questions:
1) asking... versa and SA Simple, any other alternative?
2) for current month, whats the interest rate offered?
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1) Phillip master money market fund, FSM RHB Cash Management fund 2, TnG +.

Right now Versa is the highest return with one day withdrawal. If you want same day withdrawal (must initiate withdrawal before think 10am), then Phillip master money market fund.

2. From what people do calculations here it's around 2.1%p.a
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post May 8 2021, 11:59 PM

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TnGO+ today is 1.95% rclxm9.gif will it able to sustain this long?
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post May 9 2021, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(Icon01 @ May 8 2021, 11:59 PM)
TnGO+ today is 1.95% rclxm9.gif will it able to sustain this long?
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Quarterly bonus day so don’t be too happy it will be to useless 1.43% doh.gif
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any winners from lowyat for ringgitplus x versa?

https://media.ringgitplus.com/s/pdf/campaig...rs+07052021.pdf
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post May 12 2021, 10:55 AM

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4 days long weekend.

Good time to deposit into Versa to get some bonus overnight interest? tongue.gif

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