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shawnme
post Apr 15 2021, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(infernape772 @ Apr 15 2021, 09:29 AM)
Bruh Frank debit card annual fee is only RM8.

Go+ rate is 1.4%, Frank is 2.4% annually, with RM1000 initial deposit with no subsequent deposit, GO+ you get RM14 interest, Frank you get RM24 in interest, deduct the RM8 annually you also untung 0.2% already la, you deposit more emergency fund into Frank that RM8 is peanuts.

Sometimes you have to think of economies at scale, don't be penny wise pound foolish. My application to OCBC Frank was very smooth, register online, walk into branch instant get debit card, the banker explain everything in detail. Just they will also hardsell you insurance at the same time so beware. You can try apply at Subang USJ branch if it's convenient for you.
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Damn.. Silly me.. I kept recalling it being RM 20+...thanks for the reminder.

Also, I thought Frank is 1.8%?
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post Apr 15 2021, 10:16 AM

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Versa:
Seems like overnight interest is given even on weekdays.

So judging from the return amount of RM 0.04 for RM 1000 deposit, by calculation, it's ~1.46% for that day.

Is that correct?

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This post has been edited by shawnme: Apr 15 2021, 10:19 AM
infernape772
post Apr 15 2021, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 15 2021, 10:01 AM)
Frank now is 1.8%p.a. Not 2.4%p.a
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My apologies, forgot OPR dropped cry.gif . But my points still stands, RM8 annually is just such a small negligible amount to ignore
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post Apr 15 2021, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(infernape772 @ Apr 15 2021, 10:27 AM)
My apologies, forgot OPR dropped  cry.gif . But my points still stands, RM8 annually is just such a small negligible amount to ignore
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When i open the Frank account, i didn't take the debit card, so i can save the RM 8 annually ?
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post Apr 15 2021, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 10:16 AM)
Versa:
Seems like overnight interest is given even on weekdays.

So judging from the return amount of RM 0.04 for RM 1000 deposit, by calculation, it's ~1.46% for that day.

Is that correct?

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Your overnight interest is only 0.4% while dividends are yet to be payout by this weekend and itโ€™s 0.18% estimated

So your returns this week based on the deposit is only 0.58% in total
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post Apr 15 2021, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 15 2021, 10:47 AM)
Your overnight interest is only 0.4% while dividends are yet to be payout by this weekend and itโ€™s 0.18% estimated

So your returns this week based on the deposit is only 0.58% in total
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RM 0.04 / RM 1000 not 0.004% ?
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post Apr 15 2021, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Apr 15 2021, 10:50 AM)
RM 0.04 / RM 1000 not 0.004% ?
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Sorry my bad doh.gif

Yes it is 0.004% per deposit of more than rm100 plus 0.126% every fortnight

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post Apr 15 2021, 10:58 AM

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Wow.. I'm lost.. Still learning to calculate..

Based on my experiment,

For Go+, I would've gotten RM 0.04 for RM 1000 deposit as well, for the day @ 1.47%p.a.

*I'm not saying which is better, just learning Versa. I'm just using Go+ as reference because I find it straightforward (Amount x %p.a. = payout per day). So I'm using it as reference to understand Versa.

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post Apr 15 2021, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 10:58 AM)
Wow.. I'm lost.. Still learning to calculate..

Based on my experiment,

For Go+, I would've gotten RM 0.04 for RM 1000 deposit as well, for the day @ 1.47%p.a.
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For me, MMF just a place to park my emergency fund, i park some in Simple, some in Versa.

I not so care the return from MMF because i will not put a lot of money & the difference just very tiny.
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post Apr 15 2021, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 10:58 AM)
Wow.. I'm lost.. Still learning to calculate..

Based on my experiment,

For Go+, I would've gotten RM 0.04 for RM 1000 deposit as well, for the day @ 1.47%p.a.

*I'm not saying which is better, just learning Versa. I'm just using Go+ as reference because I find it straightforward (Amount x %p.a. = payout per day). So I'm using it as reference to understand Versa.
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Oh, I'm seeing some say "plus something" every fortnight..

Do you mean that this "overnight interest" is like a bonus on top of that day's interest? Or just a goodwill from versa since that day will not accrue actual interest?
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post Apr 15 2021, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 11:16 AM)
Oh, I'm seeing some say "plus something" every fortnight..

Do you mean that this "overnight interest" is like a bonus on top of that day's interest? Or just a goodwill from versa since that day will not accrue actual interest?
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Overnight interest is they compensate you when they received you during weekend / public holiday and they can't help you invest into MMF.

If you deposit in normal day, they will invest in next day so they will not give you overnight interest.
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post Apr 15 2021, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 11:16 AM)
Oh, I'm seeing some say "plus something" every fortnight..

Do you mean that this "overnight interest" is like a bonus on top of that day's interest? Or just a goodwill from versa since that day will not accrue actual interest?
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Overnight interest is to compensate 1day delay in processing during weekdays and 2 days during weekend

Itโ€™s not a bonus just accrued dividends/bonus to be payout after adjusted units every fortnight

Donโ€™t compare GO+ because it is a fund that invest MMF at a fixed rate of RM1 and the returns are calculated by OPR-Expense Ratio at base rate of 1.35% pa daily

Anything above is because more deposit than withdrawals hence they are able to give you bonus which is not daily by the way as their base rate of return is RM0.0004 per RM10 invested which is a total 1.35 to 1.6% range

Versa is good for deposit after Friday 12pm and withdraw by Thursday only to received by next Friday 7pm but you only can do it during non payout weekends otherwise lose the adjusted bonus units
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post Apr 15 2021, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Apr 15 2021, 10:45 AM)
When i open the Frank account, i didn't take the debit card, so i can save the RM 8 annually ?
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From my experience, you must take the debit card. I'm not sure if you can negotiate to not take the debit card to save rm8 annually. But if can, better so you don't even need to pay anything annually, just maintain minimum rm20 and put all in save pot.
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post Apr 15 2021, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 14 2021, 10:09 PM)
Frank :
I've been applying for for Frank since last year..what a mess..

They've been throwing me around various branches, end up require me to go all the way back to the branch nearest to my address in IC. Same thing with customer service, some says no issue, while some ghosted me. With the off and on MCO, been delaying since last year when I first tried.

Besides, for Frank, there's some annual fee or something incurred.. I did the calculations long time ago (sorry, forgot).. And i considered it cost incurred, and to recover that amount may cut into "profits/time" as well.

Go+ :
In terms of Go+, not much use for it anyway and it's a dilemma for my case. Not much use due to the 9.5k limit, and I'm not able to cash in via FPX, shows unsuccessful. Currently just playing around by reloading through FPX into ewallet then into Go+, but afraid of being flagged or whatever for withdrawal and stuff. I know it should be okay since I'm not using credit card for that, but who knows what they think. Besides, I do reload with credit card for ewallet transactions. So I'd rather not have issue with them as their customer support takes ages to reply, and I do depend on the app alot for tolls.

Anyway, thanks for all the replies, I'll assume for now that "Tuesday" incrues interest. So it's around 4 days for Versa, while Go+ is 3 days. Meanwhile, I'll reconsider Frank again if I have the motivation to go to the branch.

With the current projected inflation rate, I'm squeezing every bit just to stay.
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MMF can't help you to overcome the inflation rate, better you invest through Stash Away or share market.
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post Apr 15 2021, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(infernape772 @ Apr 15 2021, 11:35 AM)
From my experience, you must take the debit card. I'm not sure if you can negotiate to not take the debit card to save rm8 annually. But if can, better so you don't even need to pay anything annually, just maintain minimum rm20 and put all in save pot.
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Ya, i opened the account without taking debit card. My spend pot only keep few sen, if really need to use the account to pay bill, i will adjust money to spend pot.
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post Apr 15 2021, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Apr 15 2021, 11:36 AM)
MMF can't help you to overcome the inflation rate, better you invest through Stash Away or share market.
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I agree with you. Thank you.

Meanwhile, I have some short term funds holding in savings account, too short for monthly FDs, while too long for daily 0.1%p.a. of the savings account. Yet I need it to stay liquid to a maximum of 3 days +/-. Just wondering if there's anything I can squeeze out of it.

Have been eyeing on Frank since last year, but with MCO and time constraints, it has been on hold till now. With the recent launch of Go+, it gave me a thought to look into MMF as an option, so I'm looking around and learning.

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post Apr 15 2021, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 11:55 AM)
I agree with you. Thank you.

Meanwhile, I have some short term funds holding in savings account, too short for monthly FDs, while too long for daily 0.1%p.a. of the savings account. Yet I need it to stay liquid to a maximum of 3 days +/-. Just wondering if there's anything I can squeeze out of it.

Have been eyeing on Frank since last year, but with MCO and time constraints, it has been on hold till now. With the recent launch of Go+, it gave me a thought to look into MMF as an option, so I'm looking around and learning.
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Just go with Versa. Versa is superior Vs stashaway simple and go+
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post Apr 15 2021, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 11:55 AM)
I agree with you. Thank you.

Meanwhile, I have some short term funds holding in savings account, too short for monthly FDs, while too long for daily 0.1%p.a. of the savings account. Yet I need it to stay liquid to a maximum of 3 days +/-. Just wondering if there's anything I can squeeze out of it.

Have been eyeing on Frank since last year, but with MCO and time constraints, it has been on hold till now. With the recent launch of Go+, it gave me a thought to look into MMF as an option, so I'm looking around and learning.
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If liquidity is your concern but you want current FD-like rates, stick to Versa. Go+'s rate is projected to be lower than FDs laugh.gif
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post Apr 15 2021, 12:49 PM

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One more question.

Is versa safe? The link in the FAQ is not working.

I don't mean in -ve ROI. More like, will my money just dissappear for whatever reason, say cease of operations or something.

Will my 100mil deposit just vanish into thin air? ๐Ÿ˜„

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post Apr 15 2021, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(shawnme @ Apr 15 2021, 12:49 PM)
One more question.

Is versa safe? The link in the FAQ is not working.

I don't mean in -ve ROI. More like, will my money just dissappear for whatever reason, say cease of operations or something.

Will my 100mil deposit just vanish into thin air? ๐Ÿ˜„
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You need to ask is Affin Hwang safe?

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