A lame person like u only like to jump to conclusions because.....Ferrari fan ler what else....
Just because mclaren have good reliability yet fast doesn't mean ferrari data is bring used....heck, ron dennis did send their 2007 car for inspection too prior to this

This post has been edited by shinjite: Sep 14 2007, 11:13 AM

wuakaka....then y d court actually did gave such a penalty to tarnish F1 image....

now got result edi, juz eat it la

It's engineering common sense that the rev limit would help the engineers. It's not something out of the blue like what u r trying to suggest: that the reliability is because of Ferrari data but yet Ferrari have reliability problems..(go figure that one out)...But I did not say that it was solely the reason. I just think Mercedes have done an excellent job this season. And yes the beryllium based engine was reliable..we dominated that season.

You ask me why? Why don't you ask FIA yourself?
Now just have to wait for the REAL reason and evidence on why did FIA punish mclaren......
The so-called new "evidence" is the interesting part....

This post has been edited by shinjite: Sep 14 2007, 11:18 AM

You have to remember that this season and last season, FIA have limited the rpm plus the 1 engine two GP rule. So engine has to last a lot longer.This rule wasnt imposed during Mika's time.

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Added on September 14, 2007, 11:33 amare you 100% sure on that? I will like to know which part of Ferrari document did Mclaren incorporate into Mclaren's car design.

Please dont simply bash.

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Added on September 14, 2007, 11:34 amsauce please.

This post has been edited by evoHahn: Sep 14 2007, 11:34 AM

Result is out.
They're GUILTY.
Let's move on

Yadda...yadda...yadda...too bad not expelled for two(2) years.
We'll see how they appeal.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 14 2007, 11:46 AM

Yes, you dont need to know all bout F1, but if you have done a lil' bit more reading you'll know about it.

The engineers and the driver can control how high the engine rev. This is called engine mapping IIRC. This work in two ways :

1. the engineer in the pit wall can remotely set the engine setting.

2. the driver himself can set it thru buttons on his steering wheel. Thats why after qualifying, sometimes race engineer will say " Okay lewis, please set to G4"- thats to keep the rev down and prolong engine life.

So, lets say Mclarens have 10 set of engine mapping. 10 for hi rev, 1 for low rev. So in the race, if let say alonso wants to pass coulthard, he will set the engine mapping to 10.

and if stucked behind safety car, the driver can set the engine mapping to 1, to burn less fuel.

the Chilly sauce u want..

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3262_2720609,00.html

yeah, guilty of possesing Ferrari document. But the interesting part i like to know now whether Mclaren use the info on their car.

But blaming 100% Mclaren won a race because of cheating, for me its 100 % unfair. Ferrari should look into why the y have been performing in the first place. Maybe schumi replacement is over rated?

That article was meant as a joke lar...

whoa.. guys.... cool down..

all of us have our own opinions on the events that have taken place, lets not argue,

whats done is done...

Dude...it's 'Not the F1 News'...it's made up by F1 fans
Or you knew that already?
LOL'ed

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 14 2007, 11:54 AM

oh.. that is joke.. sorry sorry..

Okay thanks. I just wondering if you look closely at the article title :

"Not the F1 News"

here's another example of "not the F1 news":

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3262_2654422,00.html

so is this true..



EDIT : he he he

james : i'm okay with the arguements, if its presented with facts. Simply bash i cannot accept lar...

This post has been edited by evoHahn: Sep 14 2007, 12:00 PM

hay.. this make me getting boring about F1.. .. .. .. .. ..

maybe time to forget about F1.. .. .. .. ..

Let's enjoy the coming free practice of the Belgian GP within 4 hours.
Unless both Lewis and Hamilton DNF in the remaining GP...it's a battle for WDC between those two.
That's the fact.
Although I'm still optimistic on Ferrari's chances.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 14 2007, 12:10 PM

aih... dont be like that lar...

Mclaren ditched the the horns beside the airbox at Monza. Now left only Sauber using it rite?

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Added on September 14, 2007, 12:11 pmAlonso and lewis lar bro...

who won in 05? kimi wasnt it?

This post has been edited by evoHahn: Sep 14 2007, 12:11 PM

of course its common sense. Its common sense that it "helps", but I'm emphasizing on "to what extent" because we're talking about 100% engine reliability here. McLarens have yet to retire due to...anything this season. When was the last time McLaren did not retire in the entire season? Remember Kimi's infamous "engine change before race"? *This still doesn't explain why McLaren took almost 10 years to solve their berrylinlsierlijl problem.

(forgotten what I wanted to type ady....)

It is not evidentially concrete but yes, I am suggesting in this thread that Ferrari data could be used to the advantage of the McLarens to give them the edge on both reliability and performance. McLarens don't have to use exactly same design parts as the Ferrari but they could figure out from the designs on which part of Ferrari's car gives them the edge and how they can overcome the "edge". If I can provide evidence on this, I don't need to be here...I could be working in the FIA itself and making millions like Max or watever.

ok...this is really getting out of topic here. Not to mention I'm having a headache arguing with McLaren fans who have already been fined and stripped out of championship points. I don't care about appeal, but I'm also interested to know on what basis FIA made their decision.

I don't get it...engine lasting longer actually reduces engine reliability doesn't it? How is this related to Mika's time when the engine rule that time wasn't as strict as currently.

Hey Mika.. U know.. I am damn support u . I am there with you fighting with Michael Schu... there for u when ur car engine blow in the very final lap of the GP... there with u pass Michael from a backmarker(the move).... .. .. ..

now.. u see what happen in F1.. hay... .. sien oh...

everybody saying Ferarri have "link" with FIA.. if that is the case.. what for watch F1?? hay... .. ..
but FIA do make Ferarri suffer for some time.. like 2005 la...

now a day also hardly can see passing in F1.. bloody sien la.. hay.. F1..

This post has been edited by BuFung: Sep 14 2007, 12:16 PM

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