i think its about the most sensible punishment. its a lose lose situation for the sport either way.
Official LYN FIA Formula One World Championship V3, Kimi Raikkonen - 2007 World Champion.
Official LYN FIA Formula One World Championship V3, Kimi Raikkonen - 2007 World Champion.
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Sep 14 2007, 01:52 AM
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i think its about the most sensible punishment. its a lose lose situation for the sport either way.
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Sep 14 2007, 02:01 AM
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Exactly!
Now the F1 sports are not seen as a sports with its own integrity anymore. |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:08 AM
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Sep 14 2007, 02:13 AM
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FIA not deduct both McLaren driver point bcos they want fans watch F1 in four remaining races,it same situation with Sepang`99 case when Ferrari win 1-2 but clearly use illegal deflector panel and FIA disqualified both Ferrari driver which mean Hakkinen win WDC before last GP in Suzuka
then FIA change their decision and give 1-2 win back to Ferrari |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:15 AM
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it is clear that McLaren is guilty, that means their drivers have been driving an illegal car.. BUT, THEIR points are okay and the team's revoked?
dosent make sense does it? thats me with my Ferrari hat on *removes hat* anyhow, a devastating news for Formula 1 in general.. its good that Hamilton can get to keep his points.. he has been a real talent and more is in store from the young man he clearly deserves the title... alonso on the other hand....its best i keep my comments abt him to myself.. This post has been edited by james2306: Sep 14 2007, 02:17 AM |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:25 AM
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hahaha..another laughing matter..all FIA care is the tv rating..screw who baddies or wat tv rating most important
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Sep 14 2007, 02:26 AM
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well....I think it is quite fair, constructors ferrari can take but for the driver's championship, come and get it
You can't really blame the decision of the FIA, ferrari's reliability is even worse than mclaren this year |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:26 AM
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QUOTE(james2306 @ Sep 14 2007, 01:43 AM) i find this the biggest joke of all posts. fairness ... AHHAhahAhhaa. well u know what ... ferrari should be punished for failing to keep their own engineer & information under their own roof. that is called responsibility. dont forget stepney is the root cause of everything. no ? im pretty comfortable with the result. at least we wont be seeing a ferrari domination next year. anyway with mclaren having 0 points, they might not have the money to build a competitive car next year. thus we might still see a ferrari domination. good for you guys. hope you'll enjoy watching every race that ends with the same car passing tru the finishing line. worst come to worst ... same driver. i want kimi to win, but winning like this is .... meeeeeh... pretty boring |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:31 AM
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Weekend weather - changeable conditions at Spa
Welcome to the 14th round of the 2007 FIA Formula One World Championship, the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps which marks the end of the European season. Spa being Spa, the weather is unsettled and will be variable. The forecast for Thursday is partially cloudy with an ambient temperature high of 18 degrees Celsius. Light rain is expected on Friday, when the temperature will be the same, and it will drop to 14 degrees on Saturday even though it will be partly cloudy again. Conditions are expected to be clear on race day, when the temperature will pick up gain to 17 degrees. The race will run over 44 laps of the track, which is has been revised slightly since its last appearance on the Formula One calendar in 2005. It now measures 7.004 kilometres (4.352 miles), giving a race distance of 308.176 kilometres (191.5 miles). The race starts at 1400 hours local time, which is two hours ahead of GMT [+] |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:31 AM
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Reputation all go down the drain.....
Worst of all is, its between the top 2 teams |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:35 AM
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QUOTE(blah1134 @ Sep 14 2007, 02:26 AM) i find this the biggest joke of all posts. Thats an even bigger joke. Surely there are no laws in any part of the world punishing the victim of a theft? How about I come over to your place, steal your car and have the cops throw you in jail for failing to be 'responsible'? fairness ... AHHAhahAhhaa. well u know what ... ferrari should be punished for failing to keep their own engineer & information under their own roof. This post has been edited by BurgaFlippinMan: Sep 14 2007, 02:36 AM |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:37 AM
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fellali fans like me sure not satisfied BUT..after some study the decision is fair
mccheaters found guilty of industrail espionage so their cars are nth wrong laa..so the decision is fair..simple as that but the whole team name all masuk longkang..everyone would remember what happen in 07 season for mccheaters |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:44 AM
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Sep 14 2007, 02:35 AM) Thats an even bigger joke. Surely there are no laws in any part of the world punishing the victim of a theft? How about I come over to your place, steal your car and have the cops throw you in jail for failing to be 'responsible'? a simple question :Is it a thievery ? it's much more complicated my fren. This post has been edited by blah1134: Sep 14 2007, 02:49 AM |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:45 AM
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Belgian Grand Prix - Driver Preview Quotes
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Sep 14 2007, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE(blah1134 @ Sep 14 2007, 02:44 AM) No its not complicated at all if its the so called 'responsiblity' you are talking about. Its a similar principle. OK, to make my analogy more accurate, your maid/employee passes me your car/valuables/information etc and you get busted behind bars.This post has been edited by BurgaFlippinMan: Sep 14 2007, 02:55 AM |
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Sep 14 2007, 03:20 AM
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Sep 14 2007, 02:53 AM) No its not complicated at all if its the so called 'responsiblity' you are talking about. Its a similar principle. OK, to make my analogy more accurate, your maid/employee passes me your car/valuables/information etc and you get busted behind bars. no it's like this my employee passes my car to your employee, and your employee use it as a company car, subsequently you and your employee get busted. You're behind bars coz it's your employee and it's under your responsibility. what would you think ? you're responsible for your employee, but what about me ? i fired my employee and thats the end of it ? unfair ? in terms fairness, surely u'll think that me and my employee should be fined or something. of course getting me busted would be too much. back to F1, i think the verdict is fair enough. This post has been edited by blah1134: Sep 14 2007, 03:27 AM |
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Sep 14 2007, 04:55 AM
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Booooo....
Unfair verdict...they should lost the drivers points too. Guilty using a cheat machine and get points from it but the user (drivers) of the cheat machine still get to keep it I'm speechless. Pethatic British wishing Hamilton to win the title. Booooo.... A bit premature but... HAIL! FERRARI THE 2007 FORMULA ONE WORLD CONSTRUCTORS CHAMPION This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 14 2007, 05:11 AM |
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Sep 14 2007, 06:31 AM
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McLaren fined and stripped of constructors' points
McLaren have been excluded from the 2007 constructors' championship and fined US$100 million following Thursday's FIA World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) hearing in Paris. Drivers Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton have not been penalized and are free to continue their fight for the drivers' title. The penalty follows McLaren's admission that the team was in breach of the International Sporting Code through their possession of confidential technical data belonging to rivals Ferrari, who are now all but assured of the 2007 constructors' title. McLaren are also required to submit detailed plans of their 2008 car to the FIA, who warned that it could apply further sanctions relating to next season should any irregularities be found in the car's design. At July's original hearing, the Council opted not to punish McLaren as it decided there was no proof that the Ferrari data had been used. Thursday's second hearing followed the emergence of new evidence and the FIA's request for McLaren's drivers to submit any information they had that might be relevant to the case. The FIA will explain the reasons behind the Council's decision on Friday, after which McLaren will decide whether or not to appeal. The full statement from the FIA: In an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council was held in Paris on the 12th of September 2007, The following decision was taken: "The WMSC has stripped Vodafone McLaren Mercedes of all constructors' points in the 2007 FIA Formula One World Championshiop an the team can score no point for the remainder of the season *. "Furthermore, the team will pay a fine equal to 100 million dollar, less the FOM income lost as a result of the points deduction. "However, due to the exceptional circumstances in which the FIA gave the team's drivers an immunity in return for providing evidence, there is no penalty in regards to drivers' points **. "The WMSC will receive a full technical report on the 2008 McLaren car and will take a decision at its December 2007 meeting as to what sanction, if any, will be imposed on the team for the 2008 season." The full reasons for this decision will be issued on the 14th September 2007. * Points gained by other teams so far this season will not be affected. ** No McLaren representative will be allowed on the podium should a McLaren driver win any of the remaining races of the 2007 season. This post has been edited by Games For Windows: Sep 14 2007, 06:36 AM |
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Sep 14 2007, 07:54 AM
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A championship is worth nothing won in an illegal car.
For the fans & for the McLaren drivers winning the 2007 championship would be a hollow victory no more meaningful than M Schumachers win in Indianapolis 2005. How the FIA saved Hamilton QUOTE The FIA knew they had to punish Macca because there was no other way out for them.So they send the drivers a stup1d letter promising amnesty when they knew nothing would come out of it.In this way they can save Hamilton and keep interest in the championship by getting a convinent excuse. This whole thing stinks.I wonder why Ferrari is not pushing for complete explusion of McLarrari unless ofcourse some backdoor deal has been worked between the FIA and them. British has brought justice to the lowest standard in human history....burn in hell lah you. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 14 2007, 07:58 AM |
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Sep 14 2007, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 14 2007, 04:55 AM) Booooo.... ahhh i LOL at this remarks.... so lets see...Unfair verdict...they should lost the drivers points too. Guilty using a cheat machine and get points from it but the user (drivers) of the cheat machine still get to keep it I'm speechless. Pethatic British wishing Hamilton to win the title. Booooo.... A bit premature but... HAIL! FERRARI THE 2007 FORMULA ONE WORLD CONSTRUCTORS CHAMPION i. Massa messed up his qualifying in Aussie.... whose fault? Mclaren ka? ii. Massa completely messed up his overtaking move on lewis at Sepang... whose fault? Mclaren ka? iii. kimi messed up his quali run in Monaco... whose fault? Mclaren ka? iv. Massa retires at Monza... whose fault? Mclaren ka? v. Massa DQ at Montreal... whose fault? vi. Massa stalled on the grid at Silverstone and had to start from pit lane...whose fault? Mclaren ka? and if you say that Mclaren is the fastest car because of the stolen documents, let see the stat... so far we have 13 races : Fastest lap (race) : Raikkonen (5), Massa ( 4), Hamilton (1), Alonso (3) |
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