It's half correct. Heidfeld was tipped to join McLaren that season because of his links with Mercedes. Hakkinen advised Ron to bank on Kimi instead.
Official LYN FIA Formula One World Championship V3, Kimi Raikkonen - 2007 World Champion.
Official LYN FIA Formula One World Championship V3, Kimi Raikkonen - 2007 World Champion.
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Jul 27 2007, 11:43 AM
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It's half correct. Heidfeld was tipped to join McLaren that season because of his links with Mercedes. Hakkinen advised Ron to bank on Kimi instead.
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Jul 27 2007, 05:20 PM
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Aug 4 2007, 02:56 PM
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I can't remember the last time McLaren fans actually wished for rain. The past few years that has been Ferrari's forte.
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Aug 5 2007, 02:59 AM
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The stewards should have access to the radio conversations. I'm sure they will clear everything up. But again so many here are jumping to conclusions.
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Aug 5 2007, 03:16 AM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 5 2007, 03:13 AM) We are still open for any latest developments but so far from what I (eye) can see, Dennis fuming, lollipop up and Alonso stagnant, Alonso's trainer being "pulled by the collar". why so? We'll see. Well Dennis did release a statement regarding the issue. But many choose to ignore it. I know it's Ronspeak and it should be taken with a grain of salt but at least it's still something. Besides normally drivers don't decide when they leave the pits. Their race engineer makes that decision. |
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Aug 5 2007, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 5 2007, 03:20 AM) I know Ron made a statement and I am sorry if you find my views biased but even being objective, if Alonso were to be guilty, surely Ron will not come out and say so and ruin his team's chances of a possible 1-2 finish by saying Alonso was guilty of so and so which would almost certainly relegate him to the back! And yes, usually race engineers make THAT decision but surely with that little time, Dennis must have briefed them saying that in such a situation, the main thing is that both drivers manage to set times. I find it hard to believe that the race engineer would not have practiced common sense in letting BOTH drivers from the same team to set times rather than Alonso solely setting a good time in the expense of Hamilton. Good points. I think the race engineer was being abit naughty there but we'll just wait and see.Then again, when we have a Ferrari running out of fuel, what gives? What happened with Massa anyway? |
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Aug 5 2007, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Aug 5 2007, 12:28 PM) Remember last year at Monza, when Massa accused him from helding him up? That was a very different situation. Everyone who saw that race knew that Alonso didn't hold Massa up as he was way in front of him.And when FIA decided a penalty...most people said FIA biased etc.? This stunt he did at Lewis IS PROOF that he DID held people up. I'm not happy with the stewards' decision. Stripping constructors' points..wtf This post has been edited by verx: Aug 5 2007, 02:33 PM |
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Aug 5 2007, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 5 2007, 02:40 PM) I too am not pleased with the decision to be honest but I think the FIA felt that McLaren as a team conspired with Alonso on the decision based on preceding statements made by various people. But I must say, if Alonso were to be sent to the back or disqualified, I would have felt that it would have been a just decision. We had a qualifying strategy gone totally wrong and it blew up in our faces. Demote Alonso 5 places; fair enough, i accept that. But to strip points is ridiculous. Regardless what the FIA think it's still McLaren's internal problem. |
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Aug 5 2007, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 5 2007, 02:50 PM) The Alonso-Hamilton row (whatever friction there is) is an internal problem but not allowing FAIR PLAY is wrong in F1, thus making it the FIA's problem. Even if it is against a teammate. Michael being allowed to win after team orders similarly can be said to be an internal problem but it was against sportsmanship. Stripping the team of constructor championship points is indeed harsh but I disagree with your views on "internal problem". I dunno but i find the 2 situations very different. Alonso was not ordered to stay there. McLaren did not conspire against Hamilton. Why would they? He's their own driver. A British driver no less. Any gamesmanship by Alonso or his engineer is purely the fault of Alonso's camp. McLaren should not be penalised for allowing their drivers to race competitively. |
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Aug 5 2007, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Aug 5 2007, 05:34 PM) Was allowing Schumacher to win an act of sporting injustice in Barri's case? In that case, the team ordered Barri to let Michael through. Same case applies where as in this case Alonso obstructed a racing driver an opportunity to set a time. I have said earlier that I felt that McLaren do not deserve the penalty but Alonso does Well as i said i find the situation different because there Ferrari made that order while in this case McLaren did not do this on purpose. It's just gamesmanship from Alonso. It's not fair i agree. He was just pissed off at Hamilton botching his qualy strategy.QUOTE Agree with u here. The old format was retarded. But i still prefer the free for all format. This fuel burning thing does not sit well with me. |
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Aug 7 2007, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(Hornet @ Aug 7 2007, 11:39 AM) Now yes, Lewis did a mistake by not exactly following team's instructions. But does that gives alonso the right to break FIA rules, to impede a driver? Alonso has been letting his emotions get the better of him this year. I'm kind of a hot-headed person myself so i can sympathize with him. What Lewis did wasn't just a mistake. If I were in Alonso's shoes i probably would have done the same. Besides the rule of impeding a driver is very grey anyway as nowhere is it mentioned that there is a limit of time a driver should take to exit out of the pits. I'm not in any way defending what Alonso did was right. All i'm saying is alot of ppl have been very quick to blame Alonso for everything when the main culprit here was Lewis.Me, the answer is no. Let the team deal with Lewis, why go break the rules and get himself penalize? It's not up to Alonso to punish Lewis, and there's no justification to breaking rules and impeding other driver. Just because Lewis did something wrong, doesn't mean its ok for Alonso to do something wrong too |
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Aug 7 2007, 02:01 PM
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Aug 7 2007, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Aug 7 2007, 02:04 PM) Ok...and i just want ppl to know that there is a reason why the driver that Ron is most disappointed with this weekend is Hamilton not Alonso. Ron must be seriously considering retiring now This post has been edited by verx: Aug 7 2007, 02:07 PM |
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Aug 7 2007, 06:09 PM
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McLaren has sponsored his career since he was a boy. It will be one of the biggest betrayals in the sport if he joins Ferrari. All these rumours are unfounded if u ask me.
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Aug 26 2007, 09:13 PM
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Pretty forgettable weekend for McLaren so far
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Aug 26 2007, 09:24 PM
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Aug 27 2007, 11:41 AM
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Massa had the race under control. I'm sure Kimi knew his only way to win the race was through the pitstops or if Massa made a mistake...not by setting the fastest lap of the race
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Sep 14 2007, 09:40 AM
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To suggest McLaren's reliabilty is because of the Ferrari data is an insult imo. McLaren's problems have almost always been engine related and Mercedes has done a great job this season ironing out the problems that have plagued the seasons past.
The FIA will have to produce a transcript of the hearing. I for one would be very interested in how they arrived at their ruling. |
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Sep 14 2007, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(young_soul @ Sep 14 2007, 10:01 AM) I don't mean it as an insult, I like both teams to be frank with you...now that Michael is gone. I only do not like Alonso. Then u have not been watching F1 long enough. The reason reliability problems crept into the Mercedes engines was because the FIA decided to ban the use of beryllium after 1998 forcing a redesign. Who complained about beryllium? You guessed it: Ferrari. I'm suggesting McLaren's reliability because for as long as I have watched F1...McLaren drivers have been not up to par with Ferrari. Now all of a sudden, they're there...and better! Remember how Mika blew his engine in 1999 or 2000...in USA causing Michael to have the perfect chance to win the championship in the final race at Suzuka? And he did win? The next year was a nightmare for Mika...Kimi didn't really fair well either with his reliability problems in McLaren although he did manage to catch up quite near in points. And you are forgetting one thing: this season there is a rev limit cap for the engines thus making it alot easier for engineers to make reliable engines. Give credit to Mercedes/Ilmor where it is due instead of just speculating. |
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Sep 14 2007, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(young_soul @ Sep 14 2007, 11:07 AM) I don't need to watch F1 10 years before posting on it rite? Anyway about that berryluiusdasdnkeuh, it was banned in 1998. How long does it take to redesign another with somewhat similar reliability? Its been almost 10 years and McLarens have to wait till the rev limit cap to help them? I don't think so...and was the berry-based engine reliable to begin with that time? It's engineering common sense that the rev limit would help the engineers. It's not something out of the blue like what u r trying to suggest: that the reliability is because of Ferrari data but yet Ferrari have reliability problems..(go figure that one out)...But I did not say that it was solely the reason. I just think Mercedes have done an excellent job this season. And yes the beryllium based engine was reliable..we dominated that season.Rev limit does help the engineers a little but that is also just speculation. How can you prove that it did indeed help the McLaren engineers with engine reliability? Any reports? |
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