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post Jul 3 2020, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 08:45 AM)
Haha you're right. RM30 difference seems little, but the premium will increase a bit from time to time right...

Also, I'm working full time now and my company provides insurance benefits of RM5,000 per year, but after 2 years I plan to quit my job and work as a freelancer. Thus, I'm thinking of taking RM5,000 deductible for these 2 years and I plan to not make any claims for 2 years. However the agent from Company B advised me to take non-deductible now. He said if I take deductible for these 2 years, and then upon switching back to non-deductible, the premium will be higher.
I could not make any sense of it. Is it true?
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When you change your plan from deductible to non-deductible, you have to re-declare your health status, if you got health problem by then so sorry you won't be able to make the changes and have to stick with your deductible plan, if your deductible is very high then you have to always fork out that amount whenever you get admitted before the balance is paid by the insurance company.

Let me guess Company A - Pru, Company B - Allianz
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post Jul 3 2020, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 3 2020, 09:42 AM)
When you change your plan from deductible to non-deductible, you have to re-declare your health status, if you got health problem by then so sorry you won't be able to make the changes and have to stick with your deductible plan, if your deductible is very high then you have to always fork out that amount whenever you get admitted before the balance is paid by the insurance company.

Let me guess Company A - Pru, Company B - Allianz
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OMG I think you're a sorcerer. How did you know LOL
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post Jul 3 2020, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 2 2020, 03:11 PM)
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I bought this for my daughter before she was born. The insurance agent is kinda pushy. I'm paying around RM190 per month. PRUlink managed fund 2 value also like crap, around RM755 only after 3 years. I was thinking of buying a new policy and terminating this one. Any suggestion?
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due to first 6-7 years commission paid out to agent. For children is best to buy standalone medical card much cheaper. Later when they grow up only let them decide on the life insurance.

QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 08:26 AM)
Hi, I need a third unbiased opinion.

So I have two agents from two different companies proposing me ILP plans. Which one do you think will be worth it for my long-term commitment?

Company A:
Monthly premium: RM180
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (multiple claims including early stages etc.)
PA: 50k
Medical card: Co-insurance RM300
(The agent reasoned with me that since their medical card is cheaper than the rest, actually I could save more and use the saved money to pay RM300 when I need to use the medical card)

Company B:
Monthly premium RM210
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (including diabetes benefits & etc.)
PA: RM50k
Medical card: Zero deductible

At first I was going for Company A but the difference between A and B is only RM30. So if I go for Company A, I would only save RM30x12 months = RM360 per year. Whereas I could use that money to buy plan from Company B with cashless admission. However, Company A reasoned that I won't be going to the hospital every year.

I think that it's like a gamble.
Company B: I pay annually an extra of RM360 more than Company A's premium but I can use the medical card hassle-free, but also I may be healthy and not have to use the medical card
OR
Company A: I can save RM360 for a few years if I never do any claims.

Which one is worth the risk/gamble?
I'm leaning towards Company B but I have to hear an unbiased opinion.
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For me I'll choose company A. The savings do add up over the long term. i have maybe about a few hundred clients of various age groups over 10 years. But only a handful 2-3 is admitted every year. This is based on my sample size. Since i am doing general insurance also, the number of car accident claim > hospital admission is 10-20x more.
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post Jul 3 2020, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 08:26 AM)
Hi, I need a third unbiased opinion.

So I have two agents from two different companies proposing me ILP plans. Which one do you think will be worth it for my long-term commitment?

Company A:
Monthly premium: RM180
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (multiple claims including early stages etc.)
PA: 50k
Medical card: Co-insurance RM300
(The agent reasoned with me that since their medical card is cheaper than the rest, actually I could save more and use the saved money to pay RM300 when I need to use the medical card)

Company B:
Monthly premium RM210
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (including diabetes benefits & etc.)
PA: RM50k
Medical card: Zero deductible

At first I was going for Company A but the difference between A and B is only RM30. So if I go for Company A, I would only save RM30x12 months = RM360 per year. Whereas I could use that money to buy plan from Company B with cashless admission. However, Company A reasoned that I won't be going to the hospital every year.

I think that it's like a gamble.
Company B: I pay annually an extra of RM360 more than Company A's premium but I can use the medical card hassle-free, but also I may be healthy and not have to use the medical card
OR
Company A: I can save RM360 for a few years if I never do any claims.

Which one is worth the risk/gamble?
I'm leaning towards Company B but I have to hear an unbiased opinion.
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I would say decide on which agent is serving you better and provide a more professional service. You can compare on the fund performance between the two companies as well.

My estimation for both policies are around age 50 which is a bit short due to the large benefits for low premium. This means that the premium will increase once the sustainability runs out. I advise you to check with your agents regarding the sustainability.
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post Jul 3 2020, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 08:26 AM)
Hi, I need a third unbiased opinion.

So I have two agents from two different companies proposing me ILP plans. Which one do you think will be worth it for my long-term commitment?

Company A:
Monthly premium: RM180
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (multiple claims including early stages etc.)
PA: 50k
Medical card: Co-insurance RM300
(The agent reasoned with me that since their medical card is cheaper than the rest, actually I could save more and use the saved money to pay RM300 when I need to use the medical card)

Company B:
Monthly premium RM210
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (including diabetes benefits & etc.)
PA: RM50k
Medical card: Zero deductible

At first I was going for Company A but the difference between A and B is only RM30. So if I go for Company A, I would only save RM30x12 months = RM360 per year. Whereas I could use that money to buy plan from Company B with cashless admission. However, Company A reasoned that I won't be going to the hospital every year.

I think that it's like a gamble.
Company B: I pay annually an extra of RM360 more than Company A's premium but I can use the medical card hassle-free, but also I may be healthy and not have to use the medical card
OR
Company A: I can save RM360 for a few years if I never do any claims.

Which one is worth the risk/gamble?
I'm leaning towards Company B but I have to hear an unbiased opinion.
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Only you know your family health history better. Which of the two gives YOU the better Critical illness cover? That may also help you if you need deductible or non deductible card.

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post Jul 3 2020, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 08:26 AM)
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hi Yamcookies66, what are the sustainability of both proposed plan? I will actually pick Company B in this scenario. It has a non-claim discount if no claims are made. also the diabetes coverage is something extra whereby company A doesn't have.
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post Jul 3 2020, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Jul 3 2020, 01:40 PM)
hi Yamcookies66, what are the sustainability of both proposed plan? I will actually pick Company B in this scenario. It has a non-claim discount if no claims are made. also the diabetes coverage is something extra whereby company A doesn't have.
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Both plans offer sustainability until age 60..
I only want to cover for unexpected accidents and CI. But I read a lot of comments saying that ILP plan is not that good as compared to term insurance.
Should I be concerned?
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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 11:28 PM)
Both plans offer sustainability until age 60..
I only want to cover for unexpected accidents and CI. But I read a lot of comments saying that ILP plan is not that good as compared to term insurance.
Should I be concerned?
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read in this forum....the rate of premium increases for term insurance is steep after age 60....
you need to check that out and confirm

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post Jul 4 2020, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 11:28 PM)
Both plans offer sustainability until age 60..
I only want to cover for unexpected accidents and CI. But I read a lot of comments saying that ILP plan is not that good as compared to term insurance.
Should I be concerned?
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That is a typical statement made by some people who have something against ILP even totally ignoring its good side and focusing only on the bad side.
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post Jul 4 2020, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Jul 3 2020, 12:16 PM)
I would say decide on which agent is serving you better and provide a more professional service. You can compare on the fund performance between the two companies as well.

My estimation for both policies are around age 50 which is a bit short due to the large benefits for low premium. This means that the premium will increase once the sustainability runs out. I advise you to check with your agents regarding the sustainability.
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Hi David, may i know what is the best sustainability for a plan in your opinion?
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post Jul 4 2020, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(minmin86 @ Jul 4 2020, 08:24 AM)
Hi David, may i know what is the best sustainability for a plan in your opinion?
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Sustainability depends on the average life span of a human being which according to the latest WHO data published in 2018 life expectancy in Malaysia is: Male 73.2, female 77.6.
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post Jul 4 2020, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 2 2020, 03:11 PM)
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I bought this for my daughter before she was born. The insurance agent is kinda pushy. I'm paying around RM190 per month. PRUlink managed fund 2 value also like crap, around RM755 only after 3 years. I was thinking of buying a new policy and terminating this one. Any suggestion?
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Hey, just sharing. Putting into unit fund is always a long term investment.

PRULink Managed Fund II is set to 80% PRULink Equity Fund and 20% PRULink Bond Fund. It means that your investment portion has allocated 80% on equity (share market). So what is the performance like in these 3 years? If you bought the plan 3 years ago, KLCI was at around 1700+/-. Compare to current market is around 1550. In between, lowest goes to 1300+. Market has been volatile but good thing is your premium actually not just buying at high price, but also collecting on very low price to average down. So i would say that your plan actually did a very good job in this part.

But we still need to check again and see how your premium was designed to pay for any expenses. Is it mostly on coverage? Or more on investment? If we are to use exactly the same way of getting a plan on other company, the outcome will be the same too after 3 years. Because if most of the premium is on coverage, the investment portion will take even more time to see the return.

Suggestion: based on your concern. check your sustainability of this plan with your agent first before cancel it. Because it will be a waste if you cancel as you already pay 3 years of commissions.

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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 11:28 PM)
Both plans offer sustainability until age 60..
I only want to cover for unexpected accidents and CI. But I read a lot of comments saying that ILP plan is not that good as compared to term insurance.
Should I be concerned?
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Sustainability is based on projection only, not guaranteed.

Sustainability depends on 2 issues.
1. COI incremental, which may be more than what had projected.
2. Return of ILP if poorer than projected.

Then the sustainability is affected.

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 4 2020, 12:29 AM)
That is a typical statement made by some people who have something against ILP even totally ignoring its good side and focusing only on the bad side.
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Yes, ILP has its good side.
But at the same times, there is nothing wrong to look on negative side of story, nobody want to find out something bad after contributed more than 10 or 20 years then later found out something is not as good as previous sweet talk.

ILP can make a loss instead of projected gain to sustain the policy.

Nobody can deny potential of negativity of ILP which may happen, and it does happen especially recently, some funds are making poor return, some even losses, due to unfavourable market condition.
With interest rate worldwide are mostly near zero, it may even tougher job for funds to generate good return as previous 10 years ago.

Look at both good and potential bad side of ILP, then only make a decision on it, as insurance is long term commitment.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 4 2020, 09:38 AM)
Sustainability is based on projection only, not guaranteed.

Sustainability depends on 2 issues.
1. COI incremental, which may be more than what had projected.
2. Return of ILP if poorer than projected.

Then the sustainability is affected.
Yes, ILP has its good side.
But at the same times, there is nothing wrong to look on negative side of story, nobody want to find out something bad after contributed more than 10 or 20 years then later found out something is not as good as previous sweet talk.

ILP can make a loss instead of projected gain to sustain the policy.

Nobody can deny potential of negativity of ILP which may happen, and it does happen especially recently, some funds are making poor return, some even losses, due to unfavourable market condition.
With interest rate worldwide are mostly near zero, it may even tougher job for funds to generate good return as previous 10 years ago.

Look at both good and potential bad side of ILP, then only make a decision on it, as insurance is long term commitment.
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Yeap I agree that ILP is investment risk based therefore projection can be higher or lower unless its a low risk fund. There is also a risk that entire profile is wiped out as well.

Just my take that certain individual are only mentioning the negative side only in the forum or elsewhere without weighing its good benefits.

A discussion can only be healthy when both good and bad are mentioned.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jul 4 2020, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(minmin86 @ Jul 4 2020, 08:24 AM)
Hi David, may i know what is the best sustainability for a plan in your opinion?
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Like lifebalance said, it's better to have sustainability of the policy to be projected until age 70 ++ which is the average life expectancy.

Some insurance companies allow their policies to have a shorter sustainability at around age 50 with a much larger benefits. So if you prefer more benefits and willing to pay more at around age 50, then you can go for a shorter sustainability.
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Hi all sifus, is it big difference between paying premium yearly and monthly? Noted that ILP have the investment portion inside. Let say I pay by yearly, for the first month, the extra 11 month payment will go into investment account and been invest in the fund. But fund value will up and down. Is it better we pay in monthly, by average down the unit price like the concept of DCA?
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QUOTE(CALexChai @ Jul 4 2020, 11:59 PM)
Hi all sifus, is it big difference between paying premium yearly and monthly? Noted that ILP have the investment portion inside. Let say I pay by yearly, for the first month, the extra 11 month payment will go into investment account and been invest in the fund. But fund value will up and down. Is it better we pay in monthly, by average down the unit price like the concept of DCA?
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It's recommended to pay monthly for Investment link policies due to DCA. Unless you have a strong feel that the current fund value is good enough off you to pay one lump sum.
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QUOTE(MNet @ Jul 4 2020, 11:49 PM)
GE have promotion for July sign up.
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Apply to check.

QUOTE(CALexChai @ Jul 4 2020, 11:59 PM)
Hi all sifus, is it big difference between paying premium yearly and monthly? Noted that ILP have the investment portion inside. Let say I pay by yearly, for the first month, the extra 11 month payment will go into investment account and been invest in the fund. But fund value will up and down. Is it better we pay in monthly, by average down the unit price like the concept of DCA?
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Yes, definitely encourage you to pay monthly to practice the DCA. Since we uanble to predict the market performance in the coming 11 months.
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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 11:28 PM)
Both plans offer sustainability until age 60..
I only want to cover for unexpected accidents and CI. But I read a lot of comments saying that ILP plan is not that good as compared to term insurance.
Should I be concerned?
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ok. i prefer company B from what you stated. btw in which area ILP plan is not good compared to term? perhaps you can tell us what your concern is. smile.gif

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