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lovingforyou
post Jul 30 2020, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 30 2020, 10:15 PM)
just 15% pa,,, hmm.gif
recently there was a plan offer at 30% pa too on a recent thread.  thumbsup.gif
(if you look at the image posted in post 17,...this 30%pa "guaranteed income per year" is for 20 yrs while paying just for 6 yrs only)

check that out for further info on discussion made regarding that plan....
hope you could read comments posted there so that you could gather some added info...
Wealth Booster Plan, Investment Scheme
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4977858/all

try read post 46 of that thread for my thought on those plans.
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For me as a insurance beginner knowledge, there's "trap" everywhere, especially for me.
I'd learned sooo much of these knowledge for these 3 days. Appreciate sifus here.
Now only i understand why some insurance expert always mentioned
You buy insurance, it's insurance, it insured something like health and etc, it's neither saving nor investment.
Im guessing for public people like me, as a consumer for these products, once we know the concept, then we just understand.
The link you provide is great for people like me, that's not truly understand insurance.
Great example too, it's like "trap" of wordings and etc everywhere

The fact is, that TS is lucky that he asked before he act.
My mum just bought it after 30 minutes mur mur from the agent.
And i just noticed it 2nd year.


This post has been edited by lovingforyou: Jul 30 2020, 10:48 PM
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post Jul 30 2020, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(lovingforyou @ Jul 30 2020, 10:45 PM)
For me as a insurance beginner knowledge, there's "trap" everywhere, especially for me.
I'd learned sooo much of these knowledge for these 3 days. Appreciate sifus here.
Now only i understand why some insurance expert always mentioned
You buy insurance, it's insurance, it insured something like health and etc, it's neither saving nor investment.
Im guessing for public people like me, as a consumer for these products, once we know the concept, then we just understand.
The link you provide is great for people like me, that's not truly understand insurance.
Great example too, it's like "trap" of wordings and etc everywhere
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i think, there are usually not highlighted or mentioned during the discussion with the clients.
what the clients wanted to hear is get 15% returns pa.....
what they did not tell is that that "return" is actually impacting the cash value or in that case the amount of death benefits.

it is usually the human greed that is causing the falling into the "trap" (as per your term)....
nothing much can be blamed,...
just that maybe can try contact PIAM or Ombudsman for Financial Services (OFS) to seek their help or advise on what you can do
https://www.piam.org.my/consumer/complaints-mediation/

This post has been edited by MUM: Jul 30 2020, 10:58 PM
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post Jul 30 2020, 11:22 PM

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At what age do you all bought your first insurance? I am young and fresh out to the job market. When should I start covering myself? Also, any recommendation for me?
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post Jul 30 2020, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(freshgraduate2020 @ Jul 30 2020, 11:22 PM)
At what age do you all bought your first insurance? I am young and fresh out to the job market. When should I start covering myself? Also, any recommendation for me?
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You should start buying it once you're independent and start to earn a living for yourself instead of depending on your parents' care/handoutl.
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post Jul 31 2020, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(freshgraduate2020 @ Jul 30 2020, 11:22 PM)
At what age do you all bought your first insurance? I am young and fresh out to the job market. When should I start covering myself? Also, any recommendation for me?
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There is no right or wrong age to buy insurance. The right time is when you are able to afford a basic comprehensive insurance.

Assuming you are in your early twenties, insurance monthly premium is around RM200 to RM300 depending on the amount of coverage (life, critical illness, medical) you need.
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post Jul 31 2020, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(freshgraduate2020 @ Jul 30 2020, 11:22 PM)
At what age do you all bought your first insurance? I am young and fresh out to the job market. When should I start covering myself? Also, any recommendation for me?
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if you are riding motorbike to work,...try get a PA for a start
check if your employer did provide any kind of insurance for you, if they are providing some kind of insurance, try to seek more info about the type of coverage and the amount it gives....
then review if that is enough for you now.

This post has been edited by MUM: Jul 31 2020, 01:39 AM
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post Jul 31 2020, 03:14 AM

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Hi all, i’m an office worker age 27 (just 27 from 11 jul) currently holdings 2 insurance

- Great Eastern (provide by company)
IPD : R&B RM100, Other Expenses 15K per disability (No Co-Pay)
OPD : RM 1,200 per annual (RM5 Co-Pay)

- AXA eMedic plan 100
IPD : R&B RM250, Other Expense 100K per annual (No Co-Pay)

I wanna switch or upgrade from AXA eMedic to another AXA plan or another company.
Can anyone suggest me for:

- R&B ~ 300
- High annual limit or per disability
- No Co-Pay & Cashless at network hospital (preferred Thomson KD)
- CI, PA, CB is a plus (may offer btw pure medical and all in one to compare rate per month)

Thank you smile.gif

This post has been edited by sNacKRangeR: Jul 31 2020, 03:23 AM
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post Jul 31 2020, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(lovingforyou @ Jul 30 2020, 10:03 PM)
It wrote something like 6000 x 15% = 900 interest 1st year
6000 x 15% = 900 interest 2nd year
3rd, 4th, 5th
Total interest you earn for first 5 years is 75%
Than my mum wow, such a good deal, where find
At the beginning, my mum wish to intend a total RM50k (she assume RM10k first year, 10k 2nd year, 3rd - 5th), and proceed it with one goal RM50k, yeepy, just left it there 5 years, wait 5 years maturity then she will get RM50k plus yearly 15% (1.5k interest), 50k for 5 years for another type of "FD" (my mum thought it's new style of FD), it will become 50k plus 37,500 interest (total 87500), great deal right?

At the end it become RM50k yearly contribution. And the most terrible part is, my mum hate 'insurance'. She always murmur beside me yearly regarding that she bought a yearly 6k annual premium medical+ life + lil bit of saving, and thinking to surrender every year to save back the 6k 'spending'
Imagine, sounds ridiculous but it does happen

During my dispute with the advisor, i keep focus on this point, did you really expect my mum understand, especially they use those wording that uneducated senior that won't understand, ex. like circumstances, but not mentioning situation.

The draft paper wrote by the agent, i left it in my office together with the policy.
Probably i try to post it here on Monday due tomorrow's holiday and im not working during weekend.
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The interest you’re referring to is what the industry calls a Guaranteed Cash Payment. The word interest cannot be used as it is not an interest and misleads consumers. If the bank staff actually wrote that you might have a case for mis selling and might even be able to get back all your premium .

Good luck with your case.
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post Jul 31 2020, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(sNacKRangeR @ Jul 31 2020, 03:14 AM)
Hi all, i’m an office worker age 27 (just 27 from 11 jul) currently holdings 2 insurance

- Great Eastern (provide by company)
IPD : R&B RM100, Other Expenses 15K per disability (No Co-Pay)
OPD : RM 1,200 per annual (RM5 Co-Pay)

- AXA eMedic plan 100
IPD : R&B RM250, Other Expense 100K per annual (No Co-Pay)

I wanna switch or upgrade from AXA eMedic to another AXA plan or another company.
Can anyone suggest me for:

- R&B ~ 300
- High annual limit or per disability
- No Co-Pay & Cashless at network hospital (preferred Thomson KD)
- CI, PA, CB is a plus (may offer btw pure medical and all in one to compare rate per month)

Thank you smile.gif
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Based on your specification, similar AXA plan can offer you as below

Room 350
Annual limit 1.5m
No lifetime
Premium 950 yearly
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post Jul 31 2020, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(freshgraduate2020 @ Jul 30 2020, 11:22 PM)
At what age do you all bought your first insurance? I am young and fresh out to the job market. When should I start covering myself? Also, any recommendation for me?
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 31 2020, 12:14 AM)
if you are riding motorbike to work,...try get a PA for a start
check if your employer did provide any kind of insurance for you, if they are providing some kind of insurance, try to seek more info about the type of coverage and the amount it gives....
then review if that is enough for you now.
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PA will be a good start. You can also consider term and life insurance for long term coverage, including critical illness. Some companies may not immediately cover new staff for medical, then you may consider medical insurance too.

QUOTE(sNacKRangeR @ Jul 31 2020, 03:14 AM)
Hi all, i’m an office worker age 27 (just 27 from 11 jul) currently holdings 2 insurance

- Great Eastern (provide by company)
IPD : R&B RM100, Other Expenses 15K per disability (No Co-Pay)
OPD : RM 1,200 per annual (RM5 Co-Pay)

- AXA eMedic plan 100
IPD : R&B RM250, Other Expense 100K per annual (No Co-Pay)

I wanna switch or upgrade from AXA eMedic to another AXA plan or another company.
Can anyone suggest me for:

- R&B ~ 300
- High annual limit or per disability
- No Co-Pay & Cashless at network hospital (preferred Thomson KD)
- CI, PA, CB is a plus (may offer btw pure medical and all in one to compare rate per month)

Thank you smile.gif
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With CI, PA and medical, monthly premium would range from RM 200 onwards, depending on actual amount covered.
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post Jul 31 2020, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Jul 29 2020, 04:15 PM)

where do you get the term "excess" from?
maybe should correct the wording

AIA (A) : lifetime/annual limit 50k
Deductible : 0

RHB ® : annual limit 100k, lifetime unlimited
Deductible : 5000

Scenario : hospital bill 70k

How is "Deductible" works?
1. Full claim on under A ->policy terminated. Balance 20K claim under R. I will need to pay 5k, OR
2. Full claim under R and pay 5k. Can I claim this 5k under AIA? --> most ideal as policy A won be terminated due to limit hit

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post Jul 31 2020, 04:08 PM

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Hi, would like to ask sifus here about recommendations for investment link policy for life/total permanent disability/ci

Age 32 non smoker

1.waiver in case of having CI/TPD
2.annual limit may be 1m++
3.lifetime unlimited
4. Cover till min 80
5. Life/ci/tpd payout 300k
6. Single room 300

Better to take deductible 1k for reduce monthly? And roughly how much premium will increase over time?

Budget around annual premium of 3k

Thank you.
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post Jul 31 2020, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(driftkids @ Jul 31 2020, 04:08 PM)
Hi, would like to ask sifus here about recommendations for investment link policy for life/total permanent disability/ci

Age 32 non smoker

1.waiver in case of having CI/TPD
2.annual limit may be 1m++
3.lifetime unlimited
4. Cover till min 80
5. Life/ci/tpd payout 300k
6. Single room 300

Better to take deductible 1k for reduce monthly? And roughly how much premium will increase over time?

Budget around annual premium of 3k

Thank you.
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Taking an ILP now will lock in the premium that you need to contribute that is recommended to sustain until certain age i.e your case, you want until 80 years old. However should there be any medical repricing over the years by the insurance company, they may recommend you to increase your premium payable in order to maintain the same original sustainability (80 years), otherwise you may be advised by the insurance company that your term would have been shortened / reduced ((say dropped to until 75 years) due to the increase in cost of insurance if you refuse to top up the difference recommended by the insurance company.

Now, moving back to your main inquiry, having deductible will definitely reduce your cost of insurance incurred for your hospital & surgical benefit (which a lot of people would call it the "Medical Card").

However most of the famous companies nowadays will allocate up to 300 as a deductible instead of 1,000, some other options are 5,000 - 100,000 deductible.

Based on what you are requesting, it's kind of impossible to get the said benefit for 3,000 yearly. You may need to increase your budget or reduce the benefits / terms of the policy i.e 70 years instead of 80.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jul 31 2020, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(lovingforyou @ Jul 30 2020, 10:03 PM)
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yea, thats how certain agents explain plan like this. then it becomes more to promoting the product instead of making sure whether this plan suits your mum or not. but make sure your mum keeps the current medical + life plan. smile.gif

QUOTE(freshgraduate2020 @ Jul 30 2020, 11:22 PM)
At what age do you all bought your first insurance? I am young and fresh out to the job market. When should I start covering myself? Also, any recommendation for me?
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hi freshgraduate2020, i personally bought myself one when i was at 20.

QUOTE(cfc @ Jul 31 2020, 03:30 PM)
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hi cfc, if for scenario 1, full claim under A, then balance 20k can claim fully from R (because deductible of 5k already claim from AIA). so in this case even if you do scenario 2, its the same thing, you claim from R and pay the deductible 5k, claim 5k deductible from A. Scenario 2 will be better because you only need to bear the deductible of 5000 first.

QUOTE(driftkids @ Jul 31 2020, 04:08 PM)
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hi driftkids, with the premium, its a bit difficult to get the all listed benefits. maybe you can get something like that instead:
1. waiver in case of having CI/TPD
2. annual limit 1m
3. lifetime unlimited
4. Cover till min 60
5. Life/ci/tpd payout ~175k
6. Room&Board 150

This post has been edited by ckdenion: Jul 31 2020, 04:26 PM
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post Jul 31 2020, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(driftkids @ Jul 31 2020, 04:08 PM)
Hi, would like to ask sifus here about recommendations for investment link policy for life/total permanent disability/ci

Age 32 non smoker

1.waiver in case of having CI/TPD
2.annual limit may be 1m++
3.lifetime unlimited
4. Cover till min 80
5. Life/ci/tpd payout 300k
6. Single room 300

Better to take deductible 1k for reduce monthly? And roughly how much premium will increase over time?

Budget around annual premium of 3k

Thank you.
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I would say that you have a good idea of how investment-linked policy works because you are aware of the coverage. Your budget of RM3000 can be done for investment-linked but only with minimal life and annual limit of RM1 million.

I would suggest to go for policy without deductible if you are able to afford.
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post Jul 31 2020, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 31 2020, 04:14 PM)
Taking an ILP now will lock in the premium that you need to contribute that is recommended to sustain until certain age i.e your case, you want until 80 years old. However should there be any medical repricing over the years by the insurance company, they may recommend you to increase your premium payable in order to maintain the same original sustainability (80 years), otherwise you may be advised by the insurance company that your term would have been shortened / reduced ((say dropped to until 75 years) due to the increase in cost of insurance if you refuse to top up the difference recommended by the insurance company.

Now, moving back to your main inquiry, having deductible will definitely reduce your cost of insurance incurred for your hospital & surgical benefit (which a lot of people would call it the "Medical Card").

However most of the famous companies nowadays will allocate up to 300 as a deductible instead of 1,000, some other options are 5,000 - 100,000 deductible.

Based on what you are requesting, it's kind of impossible to get the said benefit for 3,000 yearly. You may need to increase your budget or reduce the benefits / terms of the policy i.e 70 years instead of 80.
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Hi, thanks for the reply...roughly how much will be the premium based on this if wan to maintain the condition?
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QUOTE(driftkids @ Jul 31 2020, 05:11 PM)
Hi, thanks for the reply...roughly how much will be the premium based on this if wan to maintain the condition?
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Sure, let me check it up for you, do you prefer to add on with 300 deductible or without any deductible ? or would you prefer to know the difference in the premium between these 2 ?

Edit*

I've decided to get both figures for you

it will be around 675 monthly without the 300 deductible, 625 monthly with the 300 deductible.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jul 31 2020, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(driftkids @ Jul 31 2020, 04:08 PM)
Hi, would like to ask sifus here about recommendations for investment link policy for life/total permanent disability/ci

Age 32 non smoker

1.waiver in case of having CI/TPD
2.annual limit may be 1m++
3.lifetime unlimited
4. Cover till min 80
5. Life/ci/tpd payout 300k
6. Single room 300

Better to take deductible 1k for reduce monthly? And roughly how much premium will increase over time?

Budget around annual premium of 3k

Thank you.
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Medical health cost (both critical care and hospitalisation) would be the significant portion of the premium, the premium would be higher than 3k per annum.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 31 2020, 05:14 PM)
Sure, let me check it up for you, do you prefer to add on with 300 deductible or without any deductible ? or would you prefer to know the difference in the premium between these 2 ?

Edit*

I've decided to get both figures for you

it will be around 675 monthly without the 300 deductible, 625 monthly with the 300 deductible.
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Thanks alot for sharing
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QUOTE(driftkids @ Aug 1 2020, 06:57 PM)
Thanks alot for sharing
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Sorry adjustment, the figures are reduced to 570 monthly and 630 respectively

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