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rankalee
post Apr 3 2020, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Princess_Alicia @ Mar 1 2020, 10:25 PM)
You are straight man. To be a real transgender you have to pass several test. First you have to see counsellor, then proceed to psychologist, then psychiatrist, and lastly you will be referred to the endocrinologist. The hospital will give you a few paper test to evaluate your emotion and thinking. This of course including your sexual preference and desire. There will be a lot of blood test involved too; to check your chromosome, your active testosterone vs oestrogen, your liver and kidney function, etc. In conclusion, to be recognise as a true transgender, someone need to get a proper medical procedure, because many thinking that they are transgender but ended up regret and revert back. These group are probably caught in the fetishism.
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Fetishism? hmm.gif What's that like exactly? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(rankalee @ Apr 3 2020, 04:29 PM)
Fetishism?  hmm.gif What's that like exactly?  sweat.gif
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Some man just have fetish toward female lingerie, they love to wear it. But that does not make them a transgender.
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QUOTE(Princess_Alicia @ Apr 3 2020, 10:29 PM)
Some man just have fetish toward female lingerie, they love to wear it. But that does not make them a transgender.
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Ohh. Meaning can be any clothing? hmm.gif
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post Apr 3 2020, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(rankalee @ Apr 3 2020, 10:30 PM)
Ohh. Meaning can be any clothing?  hmm.gif
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Yes. Can be any clothing of the opposite sex.
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Mar 20 2020, 07:56 PM)
Hi Derek!  icon_rolleyes.gif You guys have been together for so long! I assume you guys live together? How are you guys holding up during this MCO?
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Sorry, just saw this today. We are good.

No we don't live together. I am with my folks and he is with his.
And we haven't met for 2 weeks! bruce.gif
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post Apr 4 2020, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(skyblue8 @ Apr 3 2020, 11:16 PM)
Sorry, just saw this today. We are good.

No we don't live together. I am with my folks and he is with his.
And we haven't met for 2 weeks!  bruce.gif
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I see. Aww, hang in there. I'm sure you guys are already thinking what to do the moment the MCO is lifted huh? Haha.
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U.S. Eases Gay Blood Ban Amid ‘Dramatic Shortage’ in COVID-19 Pandemic
Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2...c/#7d94474533b2

The United States has eased its policy on gay and bisexual men donating blood due to increasing concerns about the supply of blood as the coronavirus crisis grips the country.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) says it is reducing the existing ban on men who have had sex with men from those who have abstained for 12 to three months.

The federal agency part of the United States Department of Health and Human Services say in a statement:

“Donor centers have experienced a dramatic reduction in donations due to the implementation of social distancing and the cancellation of blood drives.”

“This guidance is being implemented without prior public comment because the FDA has determined that prior public participation for this guidance is not feasible or appropriate.”

The recommendations also mean that women who have had sex with men who have had sex with men in the past year can now donate, if their partner had abstained for three months at the point they had sex too.

It also covers restrictions on those who had restrictions due to travel, tattoos and those who were deemed to be at risk of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD.)

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Lots of LGBT Malaysians are eager to help with blood donation too if given the chance. Hopefully the restriction will be lifted soon due to the pandemic.
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post Apr 4 2020, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Princess_Alicia @ Apr 3 2020, 10:31 PM)
Yes. Can be any clothing of the opposite sex.
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Oh. So it wont lead to being a transgender? XD
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post Apr 4 2020, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(rankalee @ Apr 4 2020, 04:21 PM)
Oh. So it wont lead to being a transgender? XD
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It may lead but most of the case it is just fetishism. Refer to my previous replied. You need to go and get ‘approval’ from a psychologist, a psychiatrist, and an endocrinologist.

A true transgender will have characteristic inclines toward the other gender, be it from emotion, acting, thinking, the way of talking, etc. You need to pass the transgender test set by the doctor.

Many men just love to wear sexily like a woman, but deep down they still love woman. Or to put it more precisely, the still prefer to have sex with women. Or the second question, will u remove your genital to be like a woman? If your answer is no. Then sorry you are not qualified. You may just be ‘hamsap’.

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post Apr 4 2020, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(Princess_Alicia @ Apr 4 2020, 06:31 PM)
It may lead but most of the case it is just fetishism. Refer to my previous replied. You need to go and get ‘approval’ from a psychologist, a psychiatrist, and an endocrinologist.

A true transgender will have characteristic inclines toward the other gender, be it from emotion, acting, thinking, the way of talking, etc. You need to pass the transgender test set by the doctor.

Many men just love to wear sexily like a woman, but deep down they still love woman. Or to put it more precisely, the still prefer to have sex with women. Or the second question, will u remove your genital to be like a woman? If your answer is no. Then sorry you are not qualified. You may just be ‘hamsap’.
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Ahh. That answers a lot. Hahaha. Okay then. Thank you ya. biggrin.gif Hehe. Just wanted to be clearer on it. Hehe.
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post Apr 5 2020, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(rankalee @ Apr 4 2020, 11:48 PM)
Ahh. That answers a lot. Hahaha. Okay then. Thank you ya. biggrin.gif Hehe. Just wanted to be clearer on it. Hehe.
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The reason to get approval from the 3 panels is, the psychologist is to confirm your behavior is inclining the opposite gender, the psychiatrist is to confirm that your body and mental is readily for the transformation to opposite gender, while endocrinologist is to confirm that your blood hormone level is at the opposite gender. Once u pass these 3 stages, the hospital will give you a confirmation letter. Something like a pass for you to wear and to use female facilities at public area. If you are caught entering a female toilet or changing room without this proper document, you will be sentence to jail.

Anyway, from your response and reply I may make an assumption you are just having ‘fetishism’. You can also go seek help from psychologist on this matter. Thank you.

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‘There’s Always a Rainbow After the Rain.’ Challenged by Coronavirus, LGBTQ Communities Worldwide Plan Digital Pride Celebrations

Source: https://time.com/5814554/coronavirus-lgbtq-...U2oi0U-t1Ll_hSo

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The coronavirus pandemic has had unexpected knock-on effects for LGBTQ people around the world: forcing LGBTQ youth back into living with their families in lockdown where they may not be accepted, placing vulnerable people at risk of homelessness and employment insecurity, and stalling progress on potential legal changes that could grant LGBTQ people greater rights. In an ordinary year, Pride celebrations would offer a chance to gather together, celebrate the achievements of the community and reflect on the future for social change. But three months into 2020, more than 220 Pride celebrations scheduled worldwide have been forced to cancel or postpone due to the coronavirus pandemic. Now, with rights coming under threat in various places and exacerbated by the virus outbreak, organizers are finding innovative ways of reaching out to their communities to provide alternative spaces online to celebrate.

“LGBT people around the world are insanely resilient, but they face isolation every day in their life,” says J. Andrew Baker, co-President of Interpride, the international association of Pride organizers. “One of the challenges we find today is that LGBT people are even more isolated.” To overcome that isolation, the world’s biggest international Pride networks, Interpride and the European Pride Organisers Association, are organizing a “Global Pride” to be celebrated online on June 27. Global Pride organizers are planning a 24-hour live streamed event, including remote contributions from international Prides, speeches from human rights activists, workshops with activists and high-profile performers yet to be confirmed.

For many, Pride is much more than a one-off party or day-long festival. It’s an opportunity for people who may not be “out” publicly to feel comfortable, surrounded by others in their community. The Pride movement emerged after the Stonewall Riots in 1969, and some Prides today have carried on that tradition of protest, using events as an opportunity to connect with other marginalized communities. “It’s become the cornerstone of LGBTQ communities,” says Jed Dowling, the festival director of Dublin LGBTQ Pride. “It’s our Patrick’s Day, it’s our 4th of July, it’s a symbol of everything that was achieved through the year.” This year, activists around the world were planning major celebrations, from Dublin, where same-sex marriage was legalized in 2015, to Zurich, where a recent vote backed proposals to make discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity illegal.

For others, Pride is also an opportunity to push for further social change. Same-sex activity in the Cook Islands in the South Pacific is currently illegal, and advocates say there is strong social stigma attached to being LGBTQ. The coronavirus crisis has meant that the first ever Pride Cook Islands has been postponed indefinitely, as has a planned review of the legislation surrounding same-sex relations, which has been pushed back from June to September. But Karla Eggelton, spokeswoman for Pride Cook Islands remains optimistic about the future of the event and says that the community is in close contact on social media. “You know what they say, there’s always a rainbow after the rain,” she says.

For some countries where LGBTQ rights are under threat, or completely illegal, the pandemic has made life even more difficult as authorities use the crisis as an excuse to further target the most marginalized. After sweeping new emergency powers were introduced in Hungary this week, the government proposed a bill that would make it illegal to change gender identity in official documents. In Poland, local councils spanning a third of the country recently declared themselves “LGBT-free zones,” and advocates say Polish LGBT+ youth—like others around the world, including the U.K. and Tunisia —are finding themselves trapped with families in lockdown, where they may experience more violence and bullying than in the outside world. “I would say that there is a huge group in our community that is more scared of their current home/work situation than the virus itself,” says Julia Maciocha, Chairwoman at Volunteers of Equality Foundation, which organizes Warsaw’s annual Equality Parade. Maciocha also says that churches in Poland have already accused the LGBTQ community of spreading the virus, as an apparent “punishment from god for our sins,” echoing statements by other religious figures around the world, including the U.S. Such rhetoric is reminiscent of the way gay men were blamed and stigmatized for the spread of HIV in the 1980s and 1990s. The current coronavirus pandemic is already reminding many older LGBTQ people and advocates of that era, and the loss of their loved ones. Given the data suggesting that older people are more at risk from the coronavirus, advocates say feelings of isolation are likely to be high among older LGBTQ people.

Global Pride organizers are optimistic about adapting to the challenges, creating an unprecedented event for an unprecedented time. Several hundred Prides—from the usually-major events in capital cities to locally-organized grassroots celebrations in more rural areas—are expected to sign up. Activists say that in countries like Uganda and Nigeria, where gay people face significant persecution, Global Pride offers a tool for marginalized LGBTQ people to realize they are part of a bigger family worldwide. In Italy, which is struggling with the highest number of deaths from the coronavirus, Umbria Pride plans to participate in the global online event by submitting video footage from past events. Some regions are still unsure whether they will participate, but co-ordinator for Milan Pride Tiziana Fisichella says that whatever the final decision, “ we will have to do it with the awareness that this pandemic has brought many losses.”

For Matthew Van As and his volunteer team at Cape Town Pride, who were among the earliest Pride organizations to sign up to participate in the digital June event, Global Pride presents a chance to overcome the challenges of isolation caused by the coronavirus. Storytelling and performance is integral to Cape Town Pride, and Van As is already in talks with several poets, artists and performers who have lost income as a result of the pandemic. “Our little mantra is that if we can allow one person to be themselves for a moment, for one day in the year, then our jobs are done,” Van As says. “Global Pride will be able to give others that beautiful moment of feeling, ‘I am not alone, I am loved and I am with my fellow community.’”
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QUOTE(Princess_Alicia @ Apr 5 2020, 12:39 PM)
The reason to get approval from the 3 panels is, the psychologist is to confirm your behavior is inclining the opposite gender, the psychiatrist is to confirm that your body and mental is readily for the transformation to opposite gender, while endocrinologist is to confirm that your blood hormone level is at the opposite gender. Once u pass these 3 stages, the hospital will give you a confirmation letter. Something like a pass for you to wear and to use female facilities at public area. If you are caught entering a female toilet or changing room without this proper document, you will be sentence to jail.

Anyway, from your response and reply I may make an assumption you are just having ‘fetishism’. You can also go seek help from psychologist on this matter. Thank you.
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This reminds me of a documentary I watched on NHK some time back. One of the girl - when she was young, had always behaved like a boy, wore like one and she never wanted to be a woman. It was consistent behaviour for years, diagnosed by doctors, psychologists etc multiple times. She confirmed that she wanted to be male and hated her female body. So when of certain age, she underwent sex change stages by stages, and even got started on hormone therapy, pills and all that.

Employment was tough after that because she would be considered as strange but she somehow managed to find job in restaurants that don't discriminate her gender. Several years later when the program followed up with her, they found that she stopped her pills and she was in depression. She struggled with her gender identity, somehow wanting to have breasts (but it was already removed from surgery when she was young) and not minding being a female or male. In the end she chose to be Asexual, someone not identified with either gender: male nor female. It's a little sad watching the documentary so really, before going ahead with such surgeries, one has to be very very sure of it.
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Apr 6 2020, 07:06 PM)
This reminds me of a documentary I watched on NHK some time back. One of the girl - when she was young, had always behaved like a boy, wore like one and she never wanted to be a woman. It was consistent behaviour for years, diagnosed by doctors, psychologists etc multiple times. She confirmed that she wanted to be male and hated her female body. So when of certain age, she underwent sex change stages by stages, and even got started on hormone therapy, pills and all that.

Employment was tough after that because she would be considered as strange but she somehow managed to find job in restaurants that don't discriminate her gender. Several years later when the program followed up with her, they found that she stopped her pills and she was in depression. She struggled with her gender identity, somehow wanting to have breasts (but it was already removed from surgery when she was young) and not minding being a female or male. In the end she chose to be Asexual, someone not identified with either gender: male nor female. It's a little sad watching the documentary so really, before going ahead with such surgeries, one has to be very very sure of it.
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Correct. A proper evaluation from at least 3 or more doctors is necessary to confirm a person gender dysphoria to avoid bias. A person will also need to undergo psychological evaluation to determine his/her emotion, thinking and sexual preference. Any of these fail will not qualified the person as a transgender. In addition, a monthly blood test is required to record the consistency of hormone level of the person so that it is within the preferred range. Only when all these test have passed, the person will be granted a proper document that acknowledge his/her gender dysphoria. He/she may then take these document to perform gender reassignment surgery. And only after the surgeries, he/she can apply for identity rectification.

The problem why the society is afraid of ‘transgender’ is mainly because many are not sure the genuinity of the person dysphoria. He maybe just an imposter transgender, a straight man in disguise of women to enter woman facilities. In future, if you have encounter a man entering female washroom, you may just ask politely his letter from doctor to proof his dysphoria. If he failed, you may alarm the security then.

It is very common for a man to have fetishism towards female garment, be it dress or underwear. I have multiply encounter in Carousell when men disguise as woman to ask for dresses and underwear. It is very easy to notice their fake identity because a straight man will never be able to behave or talk or respond in a normal female way. Only female can recognise that.
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QUOTE(Princess_Alicia @ Apr 5 2020, 12:39 PM)
The reason to get approval from the 3 panels is, the psychologist is to confirm your behavior is inclining the opposite gender, the psychiatrist is to confirm that your body and mental is readily for the transformation to opposite gender, while endocrinologist is to confirm that your blood hormone level is at the opposite gender. Once u pass these 3 stages, the hospital will give you a confirmation letter. Something like a pass for you to wear and to use female facilities at public area. If you are caught entering a female toilet or changing room without this proper document, you will be sentence to jail.

Anyway, from your response and reply I may make an assumption you are just having ‘fetishism’. You can also go seek help from psychologist on this matter. Thank you.
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Hmm. Yep. Thank you for your detailed response and patience. xD laugh.gif laugh.gif thumbup.gif


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Hmm. Yep. Thank you for your detailed response and patience. xD  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  thumbup.gif
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Being details because Im working close with the transgender community to help the society to break the bias toward them.

At the same time, please be aware that this is a serious kopitiam. You are not allow to troll here sir. Kopitiam is other side.

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Being details because Im working close with the transgender community to help the society to break the bias toward them.

At the same time, please be aware that this is a serious kopitiam. You are not allow to troll here sir. Kopitiam is other side.
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Sorry. Not trolling. smile.gif Hehe. Just wanted to make sure, honestly I've been searching and reading about it. But not many people talk about it. And most are closeted. So yeah..
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Sorry. Not trolling. smile.gif Hehe. Just wanted to make sure, honestly I've been searching and reading about it. But not many people talk about it. And most are closeted. So yeah..
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Thanks. Most of them are afraid being marginalised by the society. But based on my experience, the Chinese may tend to be more open to accept trans community, while Malay-muslim community is more restricted to their religious believe, hence the less acceptance. But sadly to say the Indian has the most bias toward trans community. Not really sure why.
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Kehancuran datang daripada kebencian: Kisah stigma HIV
Source: https://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/507191

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Saya seorang yang layak mendapat tempat di kolej tempatan, malah mendapat biasiswa daripada sebuah syarikat korporat. Namun, atas sebab yang tiada kena-mengena dengan prestasi saya sebagai seorang pelajar, saya telah diberhentikan daripada menyambung pengajian dan biasiswa saya juga turut ditarik balik. Dengan perkongsian ini, saya berharap dapat membuka mata pembaca tentang realiti diskriminasi oleh institusi terhadap orang muda seperti saya.

Saya individu yang hidup dengan HIV. Regimen ubat dan temu janji doktor adalah kewajipan yang tak boleh diambil mudah. Sejak disahkan berstatus HIV positif, saya akan berkunjung ke klinik kesihatan berhampiran dengan kolej kediaman setiap bulan untuk rawatan serta memastikan bekalan ubat mencukupi. Ini satu iltizam diri supaya dapat hidup dengan sihat dan bergiat dalam kehidupan harian seperti biasa.

Pada suatu hari, saya mula risau tentang bekalan ubat yang semakin menyusut. Peraturan kampus mengkehendaki pelajar mendapatkan kebenaran untuk keluar dari kawasan kampus. Maka, saya berjumpa dengan pegawai pembantu perubatan untuk mendapatkan kebenaran keluar ke klinik kesihatan. Dia pula menanyakan keperluan saya untuk keluar berjumpa doktor.

Pada ketika itu, status saya sebagai seseorang yang HIV positif tidak diketahui umum. Hanya ibu bapa dan beberapa kenalan rapat saja yang tahu. Keputusan ini dibuat berdasarkan kejahilan dan stigma masyarakat tentang virus ini. Saya cuba berhelah dengan pegawai tersebut dan menyatakan bahawa saya mengalami masalah kulit dan memerlukan rawatan segera. Namun, pegawai itu tak percaya dan terus memeriksa saya. Dia memutuskan bahawa keadaan kulit saya baik-baik saja.

Dalam kebuntuan dan keterdesakan itu, saya membuat keputusan untuk memberitahunya hal yang sebenar. Lagi pun, dia seorang pegawai pembantu perubatan yang mana kesihatan pelajar dan kerahsiaan maklumat sulit adalah kewajipan dalam tugasnya. Malangnya, harapkan pegar, pegar makan padi.

Tanpa pengetahuan saya, pegawai tersebut telah melaporkan status HIV saya kepada dekan kampus. Sungguh, saya amat marah dengan tindakannya kerana tidak pernah memberi kebenaran untuk memaklumkan status HIV saya kepada sesiapa pun. Dengan tindakan pegawai pembantu perubatan itu bermulalah siri tindakan terhadap saya oleh pihak institusi.

Saya disuruh menulis kepada pihak pengurusan kampus bagi menerangkan bahawa saya sihat untuk meneruskan pelajaran. Tapi surat tersebut hanya sia-sia. Tiba-tiba, pengajian saya digantung atas alasan pihak kolej perlu menjalankan siasatan lanjut. Ketua warden pula mengarahkan saya mengemaskan barang dalam bilik kediaman dan ibu bapa dipanggil untuk menjemput saya pulang.

Semua keputusan dan arahan daripada pihak kolej tidak direkodkan dalam apa pun surat rasmi kepada saya, maka setiap arahan yang diberi kepada saya umpama tindakan-tindakan rambang. Segala yang berlaku bukan saja menimbulkan ketidaktentuan bagi diri saya tapi menimbulkan konflik dalam keluarga.

Kekecewaan dan kebimbangan ibu bapa yang memang sudah tahu tentang status HIV saya kemudian terzahir dalam bentuk negatif. Bimbang tentang keputusan pihak kolej yang masih dinantikan, saya dilarang bertemu dengan sesiapa.

Apabila dihubungi wakil kolej, saya diberitahu bahawa saya perlu menjalani pemeriksaan kesihatan yang dikendalikan oleh pihak kampus sendiri. Antaranya, saya disuruh menjalani kaunseling - yang kaunselor tersebut lebih memainkan peranan sebagai penyiasat. Dari permulaan lagi dia sudah curiga terhadap saya dan hendakkan saya tidak menyembunyikan apa-apa perkara. Saya tidak selesa langsung dengan caranya. Akhirnya, desakan kaunselor adalah untuk saya mengaku bahawa saya seorang gay.

Tidak dijangkakan yang pengakuan saya akan dijadikan “bukti” untuk menamatkan pengajian serta penarikan biasiswa saya. Pihak penaja dipanggil menghadiri mesyuarat di mana saya dimanupulasi untuk mengaku bahawa saya terlibat dengan aktiviti seksual dengan pelajar lain di kampus. Mereka tiada bukti kukuh maka perlukan pengakuan daripada saya. Saya terjerat.

Penaja mengarahkan saya untuk menulis surat tunjuk sebab bersertakan pengakuan tentang status HIV dan aktiviti seksual saya di kampus. Saya hampir kemurungan kerana terpaksa membuat pengakuan bertulis sebegitu rupa. Sebulan kemudian, saya diberi notis pergantungan pengajian dan penarikan biasiswa dengan alasan saya melanggar etika pelajar dan berpelakuan tidak bermoral. Terduduk saya mengenang nasib bila mendapat khabar itu.

Sejak mendapat tahu tentang status HIV saya, saya mula belajar bagaimana untuk menjaga diri dan diri mereka yang intim dengan saya. Dalam dunia yang serba rumit ini, sesiapa pun boleh dijangkiti virus HIV. Lebih-lebih lagi dalam masyarakat yang ilmu dan informasi tentang virus ini disekat-sekat tanpa memikirkan natijahnya. Tapi, dengan maklumat dan rawatan yang baik, dunia tidak berakhir bagi kita. Apa yang saya sedar daripada pengalaman ini adalah kehancuran datang daripada kebencian orang lain.

Terlalu sukar untuk saya gambarkan kesedihan dan rasa hampa yang terbuku. Hidup saya berubah sekelip mata hanya kerana ingin mendapatkan rawatan kesihatan sewajarnya. Pengalaman pahit itu masih segar dalam ingatan dan setiap kali saya terdengar tentang penindasan terhadap orang-orang yang menghidap HIV, atau mana-mana orang gay, hati saya sedih dan risau.

Entah apa tindakan dan manipulasi yang dihadapi mereka. Yang ditahan pula, adakah antara mereka yang memerlukan rawatan? Adakah pihak berkuasa yang menjerat mereka bertanyakan tentang kesihatan atau keperluan ubat-ubatan? Adakah masa hadapan mereka akan dihancurkan sepertimana diperlakukan terhadap saya? Buat masa ini, saya hanya dapat berdoa mereka akan dibebaskan daripada apa-apa penindasan selanjutnya oleh pihak institusi.

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