PUTRAJAYA: Dr Mahathir Mohamad today defended his decision for Science and Maths to be taught in English, saying he was keeping the future development of the Malay community in mind.

The prime minister said that English was used widely in various industries and it would be difficult for those in such fields, who did not have a good grasp of the language, to understand instructions.

Those who had a poor command of English, he said, found it difficult to get jobs.

International scientific conferences are conducted in English and if Malaysian scientists are not fluent in English, they would not be able to understand these discussions.

“I am a Malay. I love the community and the Malay language. But we need to consider the advancement of the community.

“If we care for the community, we must emphasise on their success more than focusing on the mother tongue.

“We need to think this through,” Mahathir, who is also acting education minister, said at an event here today.

On Jan 31, Mahathir said the teaching of Science and Maths in English (PPSMI) is the way to go for Malaysia to obtain greater skills.

PPSMI was introduced in Year One in primary schools and Form One in secondary schools in 2003. However, it was abolished in 2013.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-says-mahathir/

The prime minister said that English was used widely in various industries and it would be difficult for those in such fields, who did not have a good grasp of the language, to understand instructions.

Those who had a poor command of English, he said, found it difficult to get jobs.


u want good command of english , then improve english mastery, syllabus and time spend on english subject la

I cannot understand that lembu who changed it back to BM in 2013. What's his reasoning??

Should make mandarin compulsory also then. Oh wai...

Incoming plotek: "Kenape BM tak boleh? Cuba kita tengok macam Jepun"...

so he admit Malay language is outdated and hard to achieve wawasan ?

How about jawi? since malay language less competitive now.

Job requirement:
1. Fluent in Mandarin

u see Korean, Japan,, Indonesian and even Thailand , they dun learn English in school but has better economy than us , better pay attention on Race and Religion first

PETALING JAYA: Penasihat Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR), Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim sekali lagi menggesa kerajaan memansuhkan dasar Pengajaran dan Pembelajaran Sains dan Matematik dalam Bahasa Inggeris (PPSMI).

"Kita sekali lagi ulangi desakan ini. Kita tuntut Timbalan Perdana Menteri (Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin, jangan lengah-lengahkan lagi dan laksanakan segera dasar pendidikan kebangsaan dengan mengembalikan Bahasa Melayu sebagai Bahasa Kebangsaan dan mendaulatkannya sebagai bahasa rasmi dalam sistem pendidikan kita.

"Kita minta mereka (kerajaan BN) kembali mengajar mata pelajaran Sains dan Matematik di sekolah kebangsaan dalam Bahasa Melayu," katanya pada sidang media selepas mempengerusikan mesyuarat Majlis Pimpinan Tertinggi parti itu hari ini.

Right... BN changed it because an ex con requested to.

Bcoz Pakatan Rakyat during that time against teach in english.
Memperkasakan BM thing.
So BN follow.

This post has been edited by khusyairi: Feb 6 2020, 11:57 AM

Normal English don't teach you Mathematical and Scientific name of terms.

and that ur ex con now that used to against now support....and soon become ur PM8

hopefully

they want jawi.

if basic also fail

what is the point of learning it for math n science?

what is the objective of PPSMI?
to improve math science or english mastery??

Cannot be, according to /k SK's England is top notch

PM8 hope still blur... Most likely PM7 until next GE.

https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/columnis...-on-the-horizon

tech bk on AI published in 2018.
some dun faham english.
dbp do translation, costing RM200k
bm version out in 2020 but content obsoletely lapuk.

What God wants, God gets.

By the end of the PPSMI program, Malaysia fell by almost half in the rends in Internationnal Mathematics and Science Study (TIMMS).
Turns out, learning math and science in english don't automatically make you better at it.

"Heyy, my kids can memorize and recite Eminem by heart.
I bet she can do English debate very well"

the macai is strong in this thread

Can you name the 3 variables used in making a Hypothesis?

Which one is coming to your mind when thinking for the answer? To write the variable in English or Malay?

Tun M is a visionary, he can only see the jump from A to Z, but he didn't bother to know about the alphabets in between.

got the teacherS capable teach in Engkerish?

bangsa lain lain ingrishh good good okay jerrr

i said , we should improve english mastery 1st.... BY increasing english subject teaching timing

once student mastery that

then only we go for PPSMI

just wait n see... later anwar become pm8 in may all thi will be uturn...

kek

This post has been edited by arcadicus: Feb 6 2020, 12:05 PM

But why can't it be done concurrently? The similarity of vocabulary used in PPSMI can help in English lesson progress and vice versa.

Science terminology will not be taught in normal English class.

Maybe it fell not bcoz language. Study in BM back also still cant be (among) world best.
Many other factors like student quality, syllabus etc..

did u hear any minister talk about improving english subject timing ? NOPE

No need good English. Plotek kan ada

lel

what is the point understand Science terminology but english fail


is like i give u a japanese kanji book of science and math...nah learn it.
end of the day will ur japanese language get better? NOPE

Aren't things like this are expected? The Whitepaper should cover all this.

lol
anwar pm in waiting
thanos no give chance to him always waiting je anwar

expected
should

only u mention it so far

No one talk about it or mention it

this👍

No future as tongkat and protek still exist.

Cos sked compete with his kids that grad from International university?

Personally, English or BM doesn't matter.

Most important part is updating the syllabus to reflect the current need and consistency in implementing policy.

The problem with our politician is flip-flopping in policy and keep changing things around. Sekejap itu, sekejap ini, sekejap gabung Higher Education Ministry with Education Ministry, sekejap split again to Education Ministry and Higher Education Ministry. Those things used up resources, time and money to do.

Study and discuss properly with interested parties then implement. Stick with it with improvement along the way.

if you bother about science term in English, then dual language programme (DLP) is already addressed that. they still could learn in mother tongue with awareness of terminologies in English.

Still, back then i dont have DLP either, bcoz it's not that hard to figure it out, or open the dictionary (today just google, even better!), to look for an English term. I personally think if a person have a hard time with malay to english terminology, STEM is not his/er path.

Whatever la, keep DLP open at least... Last time PPSMI jalan for like 10 years liao, then suddenly putar balik...

But no doubt, the comprehension of English of some professionals these days really worries... You say one thing, they act as though they understand, but they interpret it as other things...

This post has been edited by EatFriesEggs: Feb 6 2020, 12:21 PM

Totally agree

Please shut down detractors and implement it

My take on PPSMI.

This PPSMI will fail. Will last as long as atuk in charge.

This is a huge political prize to be scored for BN, PAS. Even PH themselves when atuk retired.

There are 2 groups, progressive and conservative in fight now.

Progressive wants English, liberal etc. Think Zaid Ibrahim kind of people.

Conservative group of course no need explanation. Think Katak Ibrahim type of people.

The only solution to improve English is to introduce SRJE and SMJE which stand for "Sekolah Rendah Jenis English" and Sekolah Menengah Jenis English".

Conservative group won't go to SRJE or SMJE.

Meanwhile progressive group (READ: Malay) will have option in English school. The non-Malay too have option to join English school.

30 years later, we can smoke Singapore 9 street far away.

Malaysians that go to school from Std 1 to Form 5 will have taken at least 11 years of English lessons.

How is it that their english is still bad?

If basic already fail , then there's no point considering them. What's the point of considering people who fail english.
If they're lazy and don't want to learn then too bad.


This is to improve people who are below average to average and average to above average. If fail too bad.

Its not talking about the top ranks, which we're far behind in the first place.
Its talking about the degradation of the existing ranking which proves the program doesn't reflect on the expected results.

He never consulted and see why it failed in the first place.

Inb4 teaching kids that flour is pronounced as flah.

Same applies to math.

cause our syllabus sucks

Tak abis abis Malay & Islam dilemma

ok ok. i agree.

which political side doesn't really matter when you can see right now, i mean right now how great the english proficiency of our PPSMI fresh graduates. isn't there a study posted yesterday about 60% grads unemployed after a year in industry? So?

Some people still believe in PPSMI myth? lol

This post has been edited by letitsnow: Feb 6 2020, 12:40 PM

you want it in BM no problem...but what technology advancement you can offer to the world? nothing

i like mahathir. i do.

reduce number of agama hours. increase english hours

The point is degradation exist even after, change back BI to BM.
Suppose it's not a problem bcoz there is dual language option in text book or exam paper.
Malaysian English also not that bad, we are better than most asian. Normally, science & match teach in simple english.
Maybe english is not a problem afterall; most or grandparent/ parent also study in english in early day of Malaysia or British time...

There are a lot of factors for degradation, not bcoz language...
Maybe our syllabus suck. International standard maybe different, higher or use more simpler math formula.
By the time they test it, no matter in BM or BI, our student cant score well.

This post has been edited by khusyairi: Feb 6 2020, 12:45 PM

Most cannot follow the class since standard 1. And teacher only communicate with those who already know English. Those speak English at home ones.


I am surprised you didn't know this.

Actually its been discussed and planned for English to be more important in our education system

It's just that it's not a news worthy topic to bitch about

no news...how do rakyat know?

If you want our graduate perform averagely during working life, continue to teach in BM.
If you want our graduate can compete with the smartest, support PPSMI. The best knowledge in this world are written in English.

I would like to see how they teach this differential geometry subject in BM.

"A criterion for density of the isoperiodic leaves in rank 1 affine invariant suborbifolds"

Jepenis population is >120M, easily 3-4x of us.

Time for Malaysians to piap and make more babies.

votes.
bekuz demokrasi....

Got, there's quire a fair bit of info on it

Just rakyat don't read

There is the need to improve English for progressive Malay.

But for conservative Malay, there is no need to improve English. Understand these 2 sentences first.


Now this.

Sekolah Kebangsaan is conservative Malay home-turf. You introduce more English stuff in their home-turf guarantee will fail one.

Solution is to create a new space for progressive Malay, the new English school. So, this is a win-win solution.

so what if the student master the math science in english but cant even construct a proper english email

that is why i said , what is the objective of PPSMI? improve science math or english?

Nanti bising ditindas dan maruah jatuh.

i would like to see how the student with poor english understand that

60yrs of tongkat and still fail

Chnage english BM mandarin arab spanish tamil watever u name...it will be the same for the next 60 yrs LOL

English is not a measure of intelligence, rather a measure of communication only

No lah. If PH govt is reformist and got balls to introduce English school, these maruah plotek group won't enroll one. They will stick to SK, SMK.

Luckily it's not PPSMMandarin.,, ?

English is a Germanic language formed by a fusion of Old English and Norse. If you want to talk about religion or science or law or medicine you must use Latinate words (from French or Latin) and a smattering of Greek. English is basically a skinny barely functional body of Germanic (bones, basic organs and muscles) with a huge overgrowth and brain of Latin and Greek words, more than trebling it in size. Sort of like a massive genius head crab perched on a hillbilly.

if all melei learn mandarin in next 20years then cine has no use already. most job will hire melei, cine will become poorer.

Some people lived in malaysia their whole lives but couldn't speak BM.
How I wonder.


This sort of mentality is what leads to education gap between rural and city students. Being the government, you have to look after its people from all walks of life, taking into consideration the advantages and disadvantages different community possess and then give them the fairest amount of opportunity for all.

If they know that alot of the mathematical and scientific terms are actually Arabic in origin mesti depa tak mau PSSMI punya, takut keliru nanti belajaq terma Arab.

Why don't all in English not just science n math. It's better, else the kids will hv headached switching between languages..... Imagine u gather with ur friends. Need to speak malay to Ali, mandarin to ahkow n then tamil to muthu.... Better all speak english

Well, in the thread context... it will be a tool to acquire knowledge.

don't asking for moon lah. 1 size fits all not going to happen.

Multi-school system for each group of people is the solution.

Support!

Apa guna rakyat bodo know? Kuat complaint je hari hari.
Do good complaint, do bad complaint, do right complaint, do wrong complaint.

impossible, sure got people shout "Eh, ini UK ke atau Malaysia ?" or "这根本就是针对华人，慕羊犬高兴咯"

Diu no learn Engrand also mani Malaysia pipu hair turn blonde, eyes turn blue and show boobies halfway like angmoh. No mid learn lah.

i is going prebet school. ali muthu ahkow all speak england to each other. syiok 1msia group

summed up the problem with this country in one post.
nanti i kasi you PM8 post

We have malay language for social conversation 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

High school science and math is pretty basic, which we have extensive reading materials that written in mother tongue for decades. For those who pursuing in STEM, which our higher education institutions use English as medium shouldn't be a problem to our undergrads to acquire other advance science and math knowledge beyond varsities.

People don't understand, we already have PPSMI in universities in all our STEM programmes since forever. So your premise doesn't hold.

This post has been edited by letitsnow: Feb 6 2020, 01:47 PM

So what is your suggestion?

the gap will be widened for sure...poor will remain poor

Then the conservative Malay gets jealous and dengki of the school, then protest again saying maruah tercabar la, mengagungkan bahasa barat la.
Then what happen next.

There would be a case how many can successfully adapt from BM to English without falling too far behind.

Also, there would be a question of the quality of our own material, speed to update vs. what is available out there. Cloistered environment is not very good for learning something so universal...

make English an option, and see how many will opt for it. then compare the performance level between the 2 group.

This post has been edited by duHwaN: Feb 6 2020, 02:28 PM

Job requirement:
1. Fluent in written and spoken Mandarin

Good reply.

First, you have to think. Why they jealous of English school ?

1) Students from English school have got good job, better pay than SMK school.

But this jealousy only will last 1 generation. Later these people will send their sons and daughters to English school.

Is a problem because they have not been familiarized with the language when they were in high school.

I sokong penggunaan bahasa penjajah!