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 PPSMI: Think of future of Malay community, says Mahathir

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post Feb 7 2020, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(jamilselamat @ Feb 6 2020, 10:27 PM)
The mistake with Tun's thinking is that Math and Science HAVE to be taught in English for those kids to be useful in society. He's WRONG.

What he should have done back when he was Education Minister in 1974 is to make sure that DBP didnt slack off. He thought that such subjects has to be in English because he grew up with it(his grandpa taught English), but that was why he wasnt really qualified to chart the course for the Malays: ultimately, he himself was born in a rather affluent family, close to the bangsawans, so he has this warped view about the people living down here.

He thought that the only way for the Malays to succeed was to BECOME Englishmen. Thats just impossible. The Japanese succeeded because they take all that knowledge from the West and used them to mainly improve their own livelihood with that knowledge, not as a way for career advancement so they can migrate overseas(though to be fair, they managed to think locally first because they were never under occupation for long, and they blocked off foreigners for decades).
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You are setting up a straw man of what Tun is thinking. All he wanted is for us to grasp and understand science and technology of modern world faster. Not becoming an Englishman. And looking at the current education and the dismal proficiency level of many graduates, one wonders if we will ever become the industrious and innovative Japanese.
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post Feb 7 2020, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 7 2020, 08:55 AM)
You are setting up a straw man of what Tun is thinking. All he wanted is for us to grasp and understand science and technology of modern world faster. Not becoming an Englishman. And looking at the current education and the dismal proficiency level of many graduates, one wonders if we will ever become the industrious and innovative Japanese.
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It got nothing to do with language. We are a nation of users, not inventors. Not enough local support for local inventors. It doesnt matter if somehow bybsone miracle learning Maths and Science in English makes our student understand modern world better because it will end up turning our students into bettet and faster user, not inventor.
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post Feb 7 2020, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Feb 6 2020, 11:30 PM)
I like this mentality.
This is what makes a good student. Being passionate about a certain subject will let you overcome challenges be it in language translation or solving problems in math. There's so many ways to look and search for answers, you only need to make an effort.

To me, I aim to have students with inquisitive nature and a positive attitude.
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since the plotekkk still strong against PPSMI, then the only solution is to let schools implement it by choice (not all) n parents can choose to send their kids either to PPSMI or non-PPSMI school

u kenot drag others stay mundur just because of the fear of rural students lack of interest in english

it is unfair to the rest of silent majority students/parents that wanna move forward away from the nonsense

so let it be 2 type of schools: PPSMI school or non-PPSMI school (decided by parents/school/PPD of the area)

as demand grew, more schools opted to have PPSMI n slowly even the rural folks will realised they were left behind

dont worry about the gap risks, most important the country majority can move forward with PPSMI but not stucked with anti-PPSMI since both have given options to exist

oh btw, Brunei so happy with PPSMI and no plotekk whatsover

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post Feb 7 2020, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(lagista @ Feb 7 2020, 09:22 AM)
since the plotekkk still strong against PPSMI, then the only solution is to let schools implement it by choice (not all) n parents can choose to send their kids either to PPSMI or non-PPSMI school

u kenot drag others stay mundur just because of the fear of rural students lack of interest in english

it is unfair to the rest of silent majority students/parents that wanna move forward away from the nonsense

so let it be 2 type of schools: PPSMI school or non-PPSMI school (decided by parents/school/PPD of the area)

as demand grew, more schools opted to have PPSMI n slowly even the rural folks will realised they were left behind

dont worry about the gap risks, most important the country majority can move forward with PPSMI but not stucked with anti-PPSMI since both have given options to exist

oh btw, Brunei so happy with PPSMI and no plotekk whatsover

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yes, I would totally agree.
Choices and options.
Not selective or preferential treatment.
As a nation, you need to consider all group of people, respective of the minorities and the majority.

DLP is actually a good program that showcases this. Parents are given the choice to enroll their children without being forced. I disagree having to create 2 separate schools, but instead introduce the program to all schools.

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post Feb 7 2020, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Feb 7 2020, 09:39 AM)
yes, I would totally agree.
Choices and options.
Not selective or preferential treatment.
As a nation, you need to consider all group of people, respective of the minorities and the majority.

DLP is actually a good program that showcases this. Parents are given the choice to enroll their children without being forced. I disagree having to create 2 separate schools, but instead introduce the program to all schools.
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2 separate schools is better idea

at entrance put huge billboard "PPSMI school" n "Non-PPSMI school"

so from far everyday u always think what future ur kids gonna have

<insert smiling Brunei students>
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post Feb 7 2020, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(lagista @ Feb 7 2020, 09:22 AM)
It is unfair to the rest of silent majority[Citation needed] students/parents that wanna move forward away from the nonsense


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This post has been edited by jamilselamat: Feb 7 2020, 09:51 AM
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post Feb 7 2020, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(pallmall @ Feb 7 2020, 06:38 AM)
Never knew jawi is a language.
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jawi is a language la...its an arabic language /s tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jamilselamat @ Feb 7 2020, 09:51 AM)
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Brunei no problem with its own PPSMI, learn from their attitude

btw Dasar Pandang Ke Timur also since Brunei at east direction too
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Feb 7 2020, 09:02 AM)
It got nothing to do with language. We are a nation of users, not inventors. Not enough local support for local inventors. It doesnt matter if somehow bybsone miracle learning Maths and Science in English makes our student understand modern world better because it will end up turning our students into bettet and faster user, not inventor.
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Before you become an up to date inventor you need to understand what is the current tech and science. You can also start from scratch but that will take you much longer.
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 7 2020, 10:22 AM)
Before you become an up to date inventor you need to understand what is the current tech and science. You can also start from scratch but that will take you much longer.
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Of course, but what is happening is that we keep using what others invented. If there are few of us who try to invent something then kena kutuk and no support.
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post Feb 7 2020, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Feb 7 2020, 10:24 AM)
Of course, but what is happening is that we keep using what others invented. If there are few of us who try to invent something then kena kutuk and no support.
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If there are few of us who try to invent something then kena kutuk and no support.


Examples?

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QUOTE(ihm11 @ Feb 6 2020, 08:21 PM)
how does teaching a subject in engrand make sum1 gud in engrand when he doesn't have a gud grounding to begin with?

if i dun understand polish, u can teach me every subject under the sun in polish and i still wont know shit
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well said
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post Feb 7 2020, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Feb 7 2020, 10:29 AM)
Examples?
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Just look around. What are Malaysian invention that is used worldwide?

Would Malaysia buy phones made in China/Japan or Malaysia?

Would you buy foreign or local car?
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post Feb 7 2020, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Feb 7 2020, 10:31 AM)
Just look around. What are Malaysian invention that is used worldwide?

Would Malaysia buy phones made in China/Japan or Malaysia?

Would you buy foreign or local car?
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But those are not inventions. Those are manufactured products.

Also Malaysia's reputation is caused by the malaysian manufacturers tidak apa attitude as well .

good eg:- proton in the 90s /80s.

Manufacturers cannot blame consumers if they gave the bad reputation themselves.





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