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> I am so sicked of those calling menghapuskan SRJK

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post Jan 2 2020, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ Jan 2 2020, 11:25 AM)
SJKC is used as a scapegoats' for all the sin done in Malaysia.

Without SJKC/T, all the problems in Malaysia will be FIXED automatically!
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Even after they managed to destroy SJK, i am sure they will find other issues to blame the minorities and ask us go back tongsan and Yindia just as expected.
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post Jan 2 2020, 11:31 AM

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ownself cannot success, therefore make other ppl like them..!! biasalah mentality certain type of ppl..!! if gov school was so good, I don't think ppl will send their children to Chinese school..!!
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post Jan 2 2020, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jan 2 2020, 11:08 AM)
I am a Malaysian Chinese. I think Chinese and Indians have been conned by their politicians for decades. Are there any advantages to SJK other than syok sendiri? Preferential entry to universities, extra scholarships, higher allocations from the government? What are the tangible benefits that we get by staying as SJK?

What is the difference if you rename SJK (C/T) <Contoh> into SK <Contoh> ? The teachers and the students are still the same.
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The SJK and SK at one point were all teaching everything in English with BM as a compulsory subject on the same syllabus and Mandarin and Tamil as extra. It wasnt MCA/DAP/MIC who scrapped this but UMNO laugh.gif This single language stream has been around for the entirety of 2002~2012 so I'll assume that you're either too old or too young to notice this.

And also is there actually a SJK for secondary school? i thought it was primary school jer....... even the well known chunghwa public and kuncheng secondary school in KL teach the syllabus in BM while doing an extra mandarin subject for SPM. So i dont think that 6 years of vernacular education in primary school leaves any huge impact at all...

And that those Chinese who cant speak BM properly are plainly just suck in studies.. I'm pretty sure their mandarin also sucks balls and they actually speak mostly Cantonese/Hokkien.


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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jan 2 2020, 11:08 AM)
I am a Malaysian Chinese. I think Chinese and Indians have been conned by their politicians for decades. Are there any advantages to SJK other than syok sendiri? Preferential entry to universities, extra scholarships, higher allocations from the government? What are the tangible benefits that we get by staying as SJK?

What is the difference if you rename SJK (C/T) <Contoh> into SK <Contoh> ? The teachers and the students are still the same.
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Commenting just on the last part. I believe there is more meddling in SK as compared to SJK from MoE.
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post Jan 2 2020, 11:40 AM

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Although i don't like this sei sohai TS, i agree with him on this.

Sekolah kebangsaan in this country just cannot provide the same level of education as SRJK.

Just look at the mathematics level of SK & SRJK students in secondary school, heaven & earth difference. Not just that, i doubt the chinese/tamil education provided by SK will be able to match the one currently provided by SRJK.
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post Jan 2 2020, 11:41 AM

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All the BS about one nation one stream one fark

No need go far, just see Indonesia, what happened to the Chinese there? Even their name also changed to Indon name, end up get terrorized, shops burnt, woman raped and killed. And until today, they never apologized to the Chinese community there. Most Chinese run away to Singapore.

It's a no brainer why Malaysian Chinese should reject this bullshit. You agree with this bullshit, the malays will still find something to blame and one day follow their Indon footsteps.
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post Jan 2 2020, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(red4900 @ Jan 2 2020, 10:12 AM)
Exactly.

This all started because people keep questioning about quota, bumi right, etc. Saying unfair la apa la. But when asked the same from their people, then bising pula

If everyone just senyap2 coexist, this all wouldnt happen.
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Well, to me, the govt should remove bumi quota, bumi right & everything related to bumi and islam and do the same to other races to. Whoever oppose is definitely racist.

QUOTE(yokoloco @ Jan 2 2020, 10:20 AM)
if remove vernacular school, pls remove sekolah agama + uni kuota.
since the reason is want all study together for national unity
then somehow hope the Education Ministry can elevate the education level instead of using schs as propaganda camps
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Yes. Remove sekolah agama and sjk. If you want to learn anything about your motherland culture and brotherhood culture/religion, learn it after school. No education budget should go to sekolah agama and sjk. If the parents insists of sending their kids to sekolah sejenis bangsa or sejenis agama, allow license to private school operator to provide this kind of school. If free, all normal national school.

And please remove pendidikan islam from the syllabus. Whoever wants their kids to learn islam, pay for tuition after school. I hate when ustat taught my kids stupid things in school. Make my task of correcting my kids mentality harder. But fortunately my sons can accept logic when explained.

QUOTE(chemnz @ Jan 2 2020, 11:04 AM)
One nation. One system.

- make bahasa, mandarin, english compulsory (lets be honest, Bahasa is our national language. Mandarin and English has practical uses, so macha dun marah ya. y'all still get 2 public holidays, unlike our Sikh brethren)

- revamp agama islam and abolish pendidikan moral (fight me if you want, but agama islam classes has NOT proven to make muslims better and tolerant people. improve that shit. pendidikan moral otoh is an insult to nons. how to make the schedule you ask? i don't know.. like maybe add an EXTRA FUCKING HOUR for agama islam every few school days?)

- dont hire cikgu bodo & emo. just because u graduated from some uni or maktab perguruan, doesn't mean jackshit if you can't teach. and at least have a decent command of english. dont make the saying "those who can't do, teach" a reality.

- PJK is not a real slot, and PJK teacher is not a real job. well, not unless you actually teach real health and fitness. if not, just focus on after school co-curriculum sports instead. could actually worth something for people who can actually excel of have interest in certain sports

- Ali has 5 guli, Ah Chong has 10, and Ravi has 1. that's a problem. get that shit fixed.
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No point making mandarin compulsory. Here is malaysia, not china. And i don’t see any use of mandarin other than trying to understand my fellow malaysian who refuse to speak in language i understand. Even the regional manager of my company in shenzen office speaks English.
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post Jan 2 2020, 11:57 AM

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the saddest part of all this is in the name of unity we shall abolish vernacular schools. we have our differences, so what?
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post Jan 2 2020, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(duHwaN @ Jan 2 2020, 11:37 AM)
Commenting just on the last part. I believe there is more meddling in SK as compared to SJK from MoE.
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the main is no quota , they wont tell you that you cannot move the higher performing class because they need to balance out the race.
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post Jan 2 2020, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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Not all states are 15%. Refer to picture above.
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post Jan 2 2020, 12:02 PM

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The reason Dong Zong is taking a hard stance on this issue is simply not because of the 3 pages of Jawi that all students would have to learn in school, but rather the dignity and rights of all the nons especially the Chinese. If you back down, the nons not only lose your honour and self respect (the Chinese has been giving in all these while), you lose your rights as a citizen as enshrined in the constitution. Same case with the call for the abolishment of SJKC schools in Malaysia. The schools has been here all along and it is one of the core "values" and what is left that belongs to the Chinese and the Nons. If this you allow them to take away from us, what will these people ask for next. It is the responsibility of all the nons especially the Chinese to defend what is rightfully theirs. Failure to do so will result in the loss of your own heritage, your identity, you dignity and ultimately your own self respect.
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QUOTE(keny2020j @ Jan 2 2020, 12:00 PM)
the main is no quota , they wont tell you that you cannot move the higher performing class because they need to balance out the race.
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I have been to one where they reserve one class for elite performing malays only... no nons inside. Of course, the school's best still coming from "second" class...
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post Jan 2 2020, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Jon_123 @ Jan 2 2020, 11:31 AM)
ownself cannot success, therefore make other ppl like them..!! biasalah mentality certain type of ppl..!! if gov school was so good, I don't think ppl will send their children to Chinese school..!!
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Even their own race...loves to dengki each other.....the dengki is strong in this one!
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post Jan 2 2020, 12:03 PM

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rilek. thing can discuss.
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post Jan 2 2020, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 2 2020, 12:02 PM)
The reason Dong Zong is taking a hard stance on this issue is simply not because of the 3 pages of Jawi that all students would have to learn in school, but rather the dignity and rights of all the nons especially the Chinese. If you back down, the nons not only lose your honour and self respect (the Chinese has been giving in all these while), you lose your rights as a citizen as enshrined in the constitution. Same case with the call for the abolishment of SJKC schools in Malaysia. The schools has been here all along and it is one of the core "values" and what is left that belongs to the Chinese and the Nons. If this you allow them to take away from us, what will these people ask for next. It is the responsibility of all the nons especially the Chinese to defend what is rightfully theirs. Failure to do so will result in the loss of your own heritage, your identity, you dignity and ultimately your own self respect.
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Exactly.

If back down today. Tomorrow will be 300 pages.
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QUOTE(duHwaN @ Jan 2 2020, 12:02 PM)
I have been to one where they reserve one class for elite performing malays only... no nons inside. Of course, the school's  best still coming from "second" class...
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my old sch use to have giving prize to top scorer in every subject, after few years no liao because except 1 subject all are receive by nons
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post Jan 2 2020, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 2 2020, 11:45 AM)
No point making mandarin compulsory. Here is malaysia, not china. And i don’t see any use of mandarin other than trying to understand my fellow malaysian who refuse to speak in language i understand. Even the regional manager of my company in shenzen office speaks English.
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I disagree. It's not really a matter of becos here is Malaysia yadayada argument. I don't buy that bullshit. It's practicality is beyond just a normal conversation. But you're lucky your manager can speak English. If he doesn't, doubt your chance is higher to get the job in the first place. Just think of it as a skill, rather than an impact to identity. Like shit man, you don't see people crying foul for not getting an engineering job when they're an art major, right? Equally, if you see it as a general skill, wouldn't that give you an edge over more jobs/businesses?

Plus you literally give zero chance for them to use the "you can't speak chinese" card.

Don't get me wrong. You orang Malaysia, you MUST know Bahasa too, first and foremost. Period.
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post Jan 2 2020, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(chemnz @ Jan 2 2020, 12:32 PM)
I disagree. It's not really a matter of becos here is Malaysia yadayada argument. I don't buy that bullshit. It's practicality is beyond just a normal conversation. But you're lucky your manager can speak English. If he doesn't, doubt your chance is higher to get the job in the first place. Just think of it as a skill, rather than an impact to identity. Like shit man, you don't see people crying foul for not getting an engineering job when they're an art major, right? Equally, if you see it as a general skill, wouldn't that give you an edge over more jobs/businesses?

Plus you literally give zero chance for them to use the "you can't speak chinese" card.

Don't get me wrong. You orang Malaysia, you MUST know Bahasa too, first and foremost. Period.
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If the regional manager can’t speak english, I doubt he will get hired for his position. German company wants people who can speak english even in PRC. With mandarin only, you might get hire for low rank position. And i don’t report to him. I’m reporting to local HOD who is a Malaysian. And all regional engineers in Shanghai and Shenzhen can speak english. Even regional engineeer in Singapore from China also speak English. So, when do i need mandarin? I don’t. Like i said, i my company, i only need mandarin if i want to speak to Malaysian who refuse to speak english or BM only.

Making mandarin compulsory is just as stupid as making jawi compulsory. If you want to learn mandarin. Take language classes after school. You can opt to learn other languages too, like Japanese if you like j-drama or Korean if you like k-pop etc2.

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post Jan 2 2020, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Jan 1 2020, 11:18 PM)
if you wanna sell Maressia as multiracial country to the rest of the world, then Maressia should continue to be the melting pot experiment like USA.
If you wanna sell Maressia as Islamic Malay civilisation, then sell Maressia like Arab states. Muslim majority, Muslim law, with non-Muslim minority.

So, Bani Seijimura.....which one are you?
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Jan 1 2020, 11:21 PM)
i will stick to the second, as long the sultan is presence, it is mean that the malay islaimic civilirization still exist for now. the sultan is evidence
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both of you don't make sense and don't use brain


according to article Malaysia, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE RELIGIONIST WANTED YOU WILL NEVER EVER BE LIKE SAUDI

there is no such thing as MUSLIM MAJORITY WITH NON MUSLIM MINORITY in ARAB STATE such as SAUDI and BRUNEI

according to citizenship law of SAUDI & BRUNEI and others alike, ALL CITIZENS OF THE ISLAMIC STATES MUST BE MUSLIM.THOSE MINORITY are just PR.YOU WANT TO BE A CITIZEN?CONVERT TO MUSLIM.

THE RELIGIONIST in MALAYSIA can continue LYING TO YOURSELF that you are living in an islamic state but you are not

in 60's till now, DAP has been wanting to promote MALAYSIA for MALAYSIAN but UMNOPAS shit just want it to be MALAYSIA for MALAY.wake up la.....if is so why not you stop eating any chinese influence food such as fried rice, koay teow,kuih muih, apam balik,etc.ALL THESE FOOD were brought over by the chinese immigrant back in old days.
We are a big family we can't live without each other la dumb ass.

bani_prime sultan here is diff with king of the UAE....they don't rule the country.MAKE UP YOUR MIND...you want a sultanate country or a democracy country?which country are you living in?you LIVE IN MALAYSIA not ARAB.
you ppl are no diff than those that you claim communist
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 2 2020, 01:35 PM)
If the regional manager can’t speak english, I doubt he will get hired for his position. German company wants people who can’t speak english even in PRC. With mandarin only, you might get hire for low rank position. And i don’t report to him. I’m reporting to local HOD who is a Malaysian. And all regional engineers in Shanghai and Shenzhen can speak english. Even regional engineeer in Singapore from China also speak English. So, when do i need mandarin? I don’t. Like i said, i my company, i only need mandarin if i want to speak to Malaysian who refuse to speak english or BM only.

Making mandarin compulsory is just as stupid as making jawi compulsory. If you want to learn mandarin. Take language classes after school. You can opt to learn other languages too, like Japanese if you like j-drama or Korean if you like k-pop etc2.
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That's some comfortable job there.

But not every companies/businesses run like yours right? You work for a German company, figures. I get it. Judging from your comments, sounds like you haven't tried different work cultures. Go out a little. Work at local cinapek, SG, or PRC owned companies. These are the prevailing businesses in the region too. You'll see what I mean. Sure your boss can speak English, but the people you deal with most of the time to get shit done from other depts or colleagues aren't necessarily as fluent in English as you wish (try see working with PRC devs or equivalent others especially).

Look, I can respect your opinion, but only to the extent where it applies to your own workplace, because it is an MNC, so no doubt it will hire the staffs that can speak English. I've had the pleasure/displeasure of working with 2 MNCs, 1 SG, 1 SG+PRC, and 1 locally owned company. So yeah ma dude. Practicality for all. Don't be like those 'this is America, we speak English' pipu. It's just another language that has great uses, even more so in the future.

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