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mADmAN
post Jun 1 2022, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(chl1208 @ Jun 1 2022, 09:33 AM)
hey guys, I am currently riding a sport touring bike with a decent windscreen. I am considering changing my helmet to LS2 Pioneer Evo.

Has anyone here tried it before? Any review?

My main concern will be its wind noise. I am not sure with a decent windscreen will the wind noise still be loud.
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sport touring i dont think will suit these kinda helmets unless u remove the peak. otherwise itll catch wind and noise will be the least of ur problems.

unless u have super tall windscreen like touring bikes, i wouldnt recommend these dual sport helmets without removing the peak... after removing the aero should be pretty decent to cut thru wind.

as for noise, these kinda helmets are known to be noisy as airflow is a main factor for these kinda helmets...easily solved with earplugs (which u should be doing anyway)
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post Jun 1 2022, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(007SMH @ May 26 2022, 10:37 PM)
Depends on whether you fancy a sunvisor or not ~ For me I prefer to have sun visor for my eye comfort
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Same here, both my Bell modular and Nolan full face have built in sun visor. At least no need to bring separate sunglassess during sunny days
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post Jun 1 2022, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jun 1 2022, 05:09 PM)
sport touring i dont think will suit these kinda helmets unless u remove the peak. otherwise itll catch wind and noise will be the least of ur problems.

unless u have super tall windscreen like touring bikes, i wouldnt recommend these dual sport helmets without removing the peak... after removing the aero should be pretty decent to cut thru wind.

as for noise, these kinda helmets are known to be noisy as airflow is a main factor for these kinda helmets...easily solved with earplugs (which u should be doing anyway)
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What I like is the weight of the LS2 Pioneer Evo, which is about 1.4kg only. As compare to my current helmet (Lazer MH5 modular helmet) which is about 1.7KG, I am thinking whether the extra noise is worth off the 0.3KG lighter for a long distance ride.
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post Jun 1 2022, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(chl1208 @ Jun 1 2022, 07:45 PM)
What I like is the weight of the LS2 Pioneer Evo, which is about 1.4kg only. As compare to my current helmet (Lazer MH5 modular helmet) which is about 1.7KG, I am thinking whether the extra noise is worth off the 0.3KG lighter for a long distance ride.
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As someone from a 1.7kg modular to a 1.4kg full face....im gonna say its worth it...i ride a naked n the lesser weight really is a blessing especially on my neck.

but then i use earplugs..n again, u should too

My 1.4kg helmet is the caberg drift evo carbon in medium
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post Jun 2 2022, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jun 1 2022, 08:07 PM)
As someone from a 1.7kg modular to a 1.4kg full face....im gonna say its worth it...i ride a naked n the lesser weight really is a blessing especially on my neck.

but then i use earplugs..n again, u should too

My 1.4kg helmet is the caberg drift evo carbon in medium
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Thanks for the advice! thumbsup.gif
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post Jun 2 2022, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(chl1208 @ Jun 1 2022, 07:45 PM)
What I like is the weight of the LS2 Pioneer Evo, which is about 1.4kg only. As compare to my current helmet (Lazer MH5 modular helmet) which is about 1.7KG, I am thinking whether the extra noise is worth off the 0.3KG lighter for a long distance ride.
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You can get a proper sport touring helmet like the Scorpion exo1400air or the HJC rpha 70. Both are available in carbon Kevlar or full carbon. Both with drop down sun visor and pinlock included.

Both about 1.4kg and they are fairly quiet. The full carbon variants are about 100g less.
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post Jun 4 2022, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jun 1 2022, 08:07 PM)
As someone from a 1.7kg modular to a 1.4kg full face....im gonna say its worth it...i ride a naked n the lesser weight really is a blessing especially on my neck.

but then i use earplugs..n again, u should too

My 1.4kg helmet is the caberg drift evo carbon in medium
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can recommend earplugs boss thumbsup.gif
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post Jun 4 2022, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(persona93 @ Jun 4 2022, 11:33 AM)
can recommend earplugs boss  :thumbsup:
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I just use 3m 1100 disposable foam earplugs..the kind with the string. Rm2.50/pair at hardware shops so its easily available

I also use this with the foam tips https://shopee.com.my/product/81885991/9776...69-1654315248.9

Both work well for me and are comfy. Even with a jet helmet they reduces enough to help me keep my sanity.

Take note there is a correct way to wear foam earplugs for it to be effective...make sure to check on that (rolling, pulling ear etc).

Just shoving them in wont do anything
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post Jun 6 2022, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jun 4 2022, 12:03 PM)
I just use 3m 1100 disposable foam earplugs..the kind with the string. Rm2.50/pair at hardware shops so its easily available

I also use this with the foam tips https://shopee.com.my/product/81885991/9776...69-1654315248.9

Both work well for me and are comfy. Even with a jet helmet they reduces enough to help me keep my sanity.

Take note there is a correct way to wear foam earplugs for it to be effective...make sure to check on that (rolling, pulling ear etc).

Just shoving them in wont do anything
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ok later ill go find them icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 7 2022, 05:22 PM

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Just bought an LS2 Valiant II helmet.. sigh its too noisy even with earplugs.. anyone else have this helmet and have similar experience?

At 80 the wind noise is like me riding 120 with a cheapo MHR modular helmet..
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post Jun 7 2022, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(mdziaf @ Jun 7 2022, 05:22 PM)
Just bought an LS2 Valiant II helmet.. sigh its too noisy even with earplugs.. anyone else have this helmet and have similar experience?

At 80 the wind noise is like me riding 120 with a cheapo MHR modular helmet..
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What kind of bike u are riding? Any wind shield?
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post Jun 8 2022, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(chl1208 @ Jun 7 2022, 09:58 PM)
What kind of bike u are riding? Any wind shield?
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Zontes 310X1. Has windscreen and have added an extension screen. The wind noise seems to be seeping in somehow..

But regardless on the same bike with different helmet this LS2 is worse compared to my MHR 😕
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post Jun 9 2022, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(mdziaf @ Jun 7 2022, 05:22 PM)
Just bought an LS2 Valiant II helmet.. sigh its too noisy even with earplugs.. anyone else have this helmet and have similar experience?

At 80 the wind noise is like me riding 120 with a cheapo MHR modular helmet..
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Invest in a good helmet next time.

Quiet helmet as I know are hjc rpha 70, shoei gtair, schubert c40 pro.

I'm using rpha 70.
No regrets.

Sometimes a noisy helmet (wind noise) could be also due to wrong size or wrong fitment.
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post Jun 9 2022, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(mdziaf @ Jun 7 2022, 05:22 PM)
Just bought an LS2 Valiant II helmet.. sigh its too noisy even with earplugs.. anyone else have this helmet and have similar experience?

At 80 the wind noise is like me riding 120 with a cheapo MHR modular helmet..
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The valiant is known to be a loud helmet.

Most modulars are, given the clearances needed to allow for the chin bar to open easily. The more seams and openings, the more wind will seep in. The visor sealing on most modulars are also not as tight as normal full faces. The Valiant is also very aerodynamically inefficient and very wide, which means it catches air in all the wrong places.


A quiet modular is difficult to engineer, which is why Shubert's are so expensive, and also very stuffy.

If you want a quiet helmet, the Rpha 70 and Scorpoin 1400ST is both light and quiet and decently priced. I have the Rpha 70. The Rpha 90 is also fairly quiet for a modular. But then you are looking at a 2k lid.


As Skyblu has alluded to, poor fitment also contributes to wind noise. If you inadvertently bought a round headshape helmet for your oval head (as most of us have), then a lot of noise will seep in via the loose fitting cheek pads and neck roll, even before considering you got the right size, Most new helmet buyers dont realize that a new helmet fits uncomfortably tight until it breaks in and end up buying one size too big.

just for comparison, my Rhpa 70 is quieter than my MT Atom modular with earplugs.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Jun 9 2022, 10:19 AM
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post Jun 9 2022, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jun 9 2022, 09:21 AM)
Invest in a good helmet next time.

Quiet helmet as I know are hjc rpha 70, shoei gtair, schubert c40 pro.

I'm using rpha 70.
No regrets.

Sometimes a noisy helmet (wind noise) could be also due to wrong size or wrong fitment.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jun 9 2022, 10:13 AM)
The valiant is known to be a loud helmet.

Most modulars are, given the clearances needed to allow for the chin bar to open easily. The more seams and openings, the more wind will seep in. The visor sealing on most modulars are also not as tight as normal full faces. The Valiant is also very aerodynamically inefficient and very wide, which means it catches air in all the wrong places.
A quiet modular is difficult to engineer, which is why Shubert's are so expensive, and also very stuffy.

If you want a quiet helmet, the Rpha 70 and Scorpoin 1400ST is both light and quiet and decently priced. I have the Rpha 70. The Rpha 90 is also fairly quiet for a modular. But then you are looking at a 2k lid.
As Skyblu has alluded to, poor fitment also contributes to wind noise. If you inadvertently bought a round headshape helmet for your oval head (as most of us have), then a lot of noise will seep in via the loose fitting cheek pads and neck roll, even before considering you got the right size, Most new helmet buyers dont realize that a new helmet fits uncomfortably tight until it breaks in and end up buying one size too big.

just for comparison, my Rhpa 70 is quieter than my MT Atom modular with earplugs.
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It is a intermediate oval - which is typical for LS2 helmets. My head is snug with the helmet - Which makes the loud noise even more confusing. Hence why i am asking for feedback to those who have it..

I get that modular helmets are louder than a full face helmet. But like i said this helmet is louder than my el cheapo MHR modular helmet which i didnt expect at all. Reviews of the LS2 valiant 2 has it quieter than the original so yeah..

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post Jun 9 2022, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(mdziaf @ Jun 9 2022, 10:39 AM)
It is a intermediate oval - which is typical for LS2 helmets. My head is snug with the helmet - Which makes the loud noise even more confusing. Hence why i am asking for feedback to those who have it..

I get that modular helmets are louder than a full face helmet. But like i said this helmet is louder than my el cheapo MHR modular helmet which i didnt expect at all. Reviews of the LS2 valiant 2 has it quieter than the original so yeah..
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On your next ride.
Try this
While riding, bring your shoulders up ... High enough to cover the lower opening of your helmet.
If the noise gets muffled . There's the problem. Cheek and side paddings too thin?
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post Jun 9 2022, 12:44 PM

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it is normal for the cheek bones to start hurting after riding for 90 mins or so with a helmet?? i dont feel the helmet pressing on my cheeks hard when i put on the the helmet.
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post Jun 9 2022, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jun 9 2022, 11:34 AM)
On your next ride.
Try this
While riding, bring your shoulders up ... High enough to cover the lower opening of your helmet.
If the noise gets muffled .  There's the problem.  Cheek and side paddings too thin?
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Will try that on my next ride..
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post Jun 9 2022, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(Voopoo @ Jun 9 2022, 12:44 PM)
it is normal for the cheek bones to start hurting after riding for 90 mins or so with a helmet?? i dont feel the helmet pressing on my cheeks hard when i put on the the helmet.
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yes, depending on the fit of the helmet..... when ur riding the wind will be pushing the helmet back onto ur cheeks... so yes, normal to feel a little lenguh on the cheeks.
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post Jun 9 2022, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(mdziaf @ Jun 9 2022, 12:59 PM)
Will try that on my next ride..
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But do this ona safe road please.



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