Whatever is the deal, I'd suggest TS to make it official in black and white form.
Meet any Commissioner of Oath to help you simplify the terms & he will sign, then the paper become legal.

The problem will be more complex if your FIL suddenly pass away. All the family tree will attack each other and it is not good for the long run.

So TS, make a draft first. If you wanna be neutral, stay out of it and suggest they meet third party/professional. If you wanna involve, but pandai-pandai, later you got yourself into deeper shithole.

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TS's FIL divorced the 1st wife and then legally married the 2nd wife = TS's MIL, who is the mother of his wife. TS's wife is MIL's 1st daughter.

So, the 2nd wife or TS's MIL is the legal wife.

FIL did not legally marry his mistress = not a legal wife.

FIL wanted to cheat his wife/MIL of RM300k by secretly getting his 2nd daughter to obtain a RM400k mortgage on the condo. The RM300k was to pay the youngest daughter of his divorced 1st wife for the birth-name-right of her 5 month old boy-foetus.
....... No money still wanna spend RM300k just for a surname.

When MIL found out about the cheating by FIL, she went ballistic and vengeful, and wanted to cheat back her husband/FIL of his half share(= RM300k) in the condo by secretly selling it to her 2 daughters for RM600k and then divorcing him after getting hold of the RM600k. If FIL sues MIL in court, she will most likely lose.
....... Why can't she just sell the condo, split the proceeds with her husband and then file for divorce.?

These 2 old folks are both immoral/unethical sinners or evildoers or law-breakers.

TS should not touch these 2 old desperate folks, even with a 10 foot pole, wrt their financial and relationship problems. Furthermore, they had done great harm/offense to TS and his 2 kids, eg nearly destroyed his marriage and family.
....... If TS's wife wants to help her mother/MIL to take revenge against her husband/FIL, TS should only give moral support to his wife, eg do not stand as a bank guarantor for his wife if she wants to get a mortgage for her mother's condo.

After this /k-drama has ended, TS and his wife should ensure that both FIL and MIL do not starve to death or be homeless because that would make TS's wife very very sad/griefed/guilty. Of course, this does not mean eating lobster and caviar everyday and living in a luxury condo. Most people will choose an apartment over being homeless.
....... Giving long life to your parents will give you long life as well = the law of ni4ni.
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P S - Legally, FIL can also divorce his wife/MIL and then get his half share of the condo(= about RM400k) through the Divorce Court, eg if his divorced 1st wife and 3 daughters are willing to take him in.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 30 2019, 03:29 PM

Pastor Money said aint no give a shit. Property in my name, I call the shot.

Hug thy money when alive, let go when dead.
Proton Verse 1.14

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 30 2019, 01:03 PM

Nice, calling your own wife a leecher

Don't sign as a guarantor unless you really know the risks and implications of the situation.

Oh trust me if he had the money the picture would be very different, this man has an ego that is bigger than the size of Texas.

What was the outcome to that situation?? Father gave in??

I feel somewhat torn on this issue, one side of me feels this is something I should stay far far away from, another part of me feels it is unfair on the MIL to accept something along this lines and another part of me feels it is partly his property too.

In the end it feels that I have no choice but to stand behind my wife as I have to respect her wishes.

Partly the reason why I was asking on the matter, was wondering what were the implications.

1st wife = "married" and "divorced" one of those marriages from yesteryears where papers weren't necessary.
2nd wife = Legally married.
Mistress = No status.

Doubt he kept any paper trail on the matte so I don't believe it will be easy for him to prove that.

Actually I have made them go see a lawyer on this matter and told them don't do anything under-table or malafide.


At this moment wife is extremely angry at the father as she views the entire episode as a betrayal. She told me she views it no differently than me borrowing or taking her money to help another woman. She couldn't care less if the father was homeless or starving. Same goes for the SIL and MIL.

As for why can't split? Well when one thinks that property belongs to her and her husband wants to use it to help offspring from another woman, I think naturally there are some emotions that will go on.

As for why no money still willing to pay that type of money for a surname?? This is something that beats me too.

She openly admits to leeching and she doesn't view it as anything amiss since she is married to me.... in fact she does take my money = her money very seriously.

Anyway we had decided not to go the route of needing guarantors.

ok that's great.

cus who know later other lady or other children come and challenge the decision. If FIL or anyone involve in this matter have Black and White, a lot of things can be saved (from conflict)

Anyway a quick update to this.

After discussing their options with a lawyer.

MIL decided to do the following :-

i) Transfer the condo to both her daughters and will remove her name off the title.
ii) She will move out from that condo.
iii) She will get the 2 daughters to take care of her finances using rental from that condo.
iv) She will initiate divorce proceedings upon settling into a new rented house.

If true, your wife can choose to divorce you and take half of everything you own but not everything you own. In this case, the MIL wants to take everything her husband/FIL owns and then divorce him = leaving him penniless and homeless. This is not fair and just to the FIL, even though he has wronged his wife/MIL.
....... Like they say, "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned".
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Your MIL is breaking the Law by thinking so. In a legal marriage, everything owned is split half-half between the husband and wife, name or no name of ownership, divorce or no divorce.
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Well, most Chinese believe in ancestor worship and patriarchy, ie a dead ghost can only receive worship and food/money offerings from his/her sons and grandsons with the same surname, eg during Ching Ming. In this way, the spiritually powerful dead ancestors/ghosts will bless the living descendants and get to eat and spend loads of money in the nether world.
....... So, your FIL is likely worried about a destitute afterlife = willing to cheat RM300k of his wife's condo-money which condo he might think rightfully belongs fully to him.
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Legally and morally, she has the right to only half your money and properties, ie half your money = her money.
....... Also, half your body belongs to her.
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This /k-drama may end up with the FIL still getting his half share of the condo(= about RM400k) and moving in with the 1st wife and 3 daughters. Something for your MIL and wife to consider.
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P S - Even if your MIL wins and your FIL loses and ends up penniless and homeless, he may decide to burn down the condo and/or chop2 his wife/MIL and himself before that happens.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 30 2019, 05:18 PM

My father gave in and did many things to help his relatives (who had really massive debts and also leeching off people) at the expense of his own family. He would spend time/effort/money on them instead of spending time with his own family. My father had the means to help, but my mum wanted nothing to do with it, and felt that my father was really trying too hard to please everyone (especially people who were being leeches). You know the saying, "blood is thicker than water". She never forgot this.

I know your situation is quite different, but the same principles apply. Stay far away from leeches (your FIL and relatives), and side with the people closest to you. You are married to your wife, after all.

This post has been edited by ghostcommand: Oct 30 2019, 09:03 PM

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Like I said before, if your FIL even gets a hint of your MIL's shenanigans, he will likely file for divorce first, ie before the transfer of the condo to your MIL's 2 daughters, and seek his half share of the condo in Divorce/Family Court.
....... If so, imagine the WW3 erupting in the condo between your FIL and MIL = your MIL may move into your house to seek refuge, eg from being slapped by your FIL.

Even if your FIL is dungu enough to not know anything about your MIL's shenanigans and not retaliate legally with his own lawyer, he can refuse to move out from the condo for some months and may do something even worse to the condo = condo cannot be rented out. What can your wife do in response, in such a case.? Get the police to arrest him.?
....... You and your wife could end up paying out-of-pocket to house your MIL for some months or maybe even forever or until she dies.

Remember, civil lawyers are only useful in cases between civil people. In this case, by the emotional(= non-rational) decision of your MIL to fleece her husband/FIL out of his half share in the condo, the problem between your FIL and MIL can descend into being uncivilized and barbaric. How would you feel if someone cheated you out of RM400k or all your money and assets after your retirement.?
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P S - Your FIL was wrong first. But he did not cheat your MIL out of her half share in the condo. He only used the condo title to sneakily raise RM100k + RM300k to buy the birth-name-right from you-know-who. Afaik, the RM400k was to be mortgage-financed by the 2nd daughter, likely as her future sole inheritance of the condo when both FIL and MIL later pass on since her name would be added to the condo title. Your wife could have been left with no or only one-quarter condo inheritance. If your FIL's plan had gone through, both your FIL and MIL continue to live in the condo like before.
....... This is the difference between the wrong of your FIL and the wrong of your MIL. It's like the MIL taking the life of the FIL for hurting her eye = not the law of ni4ni. The local police and courts do not execute robbers and rapists, only murderers, drug-pushers, etc.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 30 2019, 10:00 PM

I don't understand the rationale for this.

1. Condo is in MIL's name. She calls the shots. Why transfer to her two daughters to fend off FIL's demand for cash from the condo?
2. MIL expects her daughters to be able to evict their father mercilessly and effectively even if it renders him homeless and penniless?
3. If FIL refuse to move where is the money for MIL's upkeep going to come from?

To me it looks like MIL is unable to fend off FIL's demand and is passing to her daughters to handle the old man. They may not be better than her. Alternatively she does not want to be the 'bad guy', she wants to pass that role to her daughters.

What? You think he is vincent tan billionaire with a conglomerate?
Lmao..

This sort of FIL is a bloody joke.. if he were my father in law, I'd have absolutely zero respect for him. Zero.

(Joking) A quick solution is for TS to sacrifice himself for his wife's sake by changing his surname to that of his FIL and promising him to worship his grave every Ching Ming after he dies, with lots of food/hell-money/paper-asset offerings.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 30 2019, 10:44 PM

They do believe if he is kicked out that he would probably go back to the 1st wife's house.

Yup they are into ancestor worship which I think may have something to do with why he is so gung-ho on a child bearing his family name.

Haha... my wife only thinks everything of mine belongs to her. No such thing as half as she like the MIL they believe if they don't own everything of his then another woman can own it too.

Well as repugnant as it is a situation I will definitely have to stand behind her instead of staying neutral.

I would imagine the situation with your father must have opened up some deep raw wounds, hope it has healed by now.

You sure do feel strongly for him

Anyway just so you know MIL did tell him she was putting the 2 daughters' names on the title of the condo and only after that they would look into getting a mortgage on it. What she did not tell him was that she is removing her name off the deed as well.

He was agreeable to it and is still under the impression he will be getting his money.

As for getting him out, currently MIL has some knee issues and can't walk far. We are renting a single storey house paid 50:50 by both daughters and both of them will get moved to the rented house. Once he is out, locks will be changed and will get a contractor to start hacking to make the place inhabitable.

Once he is out of there and transfer complete, he will be told mortgage only for RM120,000 and will be told no money to give him as must pay stamp duty and legal fees plus the renovations needed to rent it out. If he doesn't put up a fuss MIL will just let him be, if he does then she will tell him the house they are staying in their 2 daughters rented for her so he has to get out. If he don't want to get out then we will find her another house and let him deal with the landlord.

As you put it earlier hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

1) She doesn't want any part of the condo to go to him in an event of a contested divorce.

2) At this moment the 3 women couldn't care less if that's what happens to him as they view it that he has betrayed them and they are basically fed up with him.

3) MIL's upkeep is mostly through the 2 daughters giving her RM500 each every month. If she loses the condo then she will live with the 2nd daughter I guess?

Doubt my father would agree to that

A decision is made after consultation with a legal expert.

We ktards here are not privilege to have ALL info so let it end season 1 with that.

The whole problem is caused by the FIL's daughter from 1st wife wanting to sell a surname for RM300,000 when he has no money and no spare property.

Cheating FIL and moving him out of the condo by deceit will create a lot of problems when he cannot get the money he expects. To think he will not to make a fuss is unrealistic. There will probably be war and unintended consequences.

To avoid bigger problems later tell FIL in no uncertain terms that mortgaging the condo to raise money for his 1st wife's daughter is NO-NO. No need to hide. Tell him they know what he wants the money for.

He will make a fuss but that's about it. The condo is in MIL's name so nothing much he can do. But giving him high hopes and then dashing it may have serious consequences.

And tell that daughter to take her offer and shaft it!

This post has been edited by Ginny88: Oct 31 2019, 10:32 AM

There are people who dont mind that when their spouse got kiss in the ass by another ... willingly to share things.

Not surprise, there are still nice spouses around.

Cant totally blame her either.

"YOU TOOK AWAY MY FATHER" ....if I cant have your love, I have your money.

FIL thought he can control the initial fire he started but the heat got too big that he needed someone now to shield it.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 31 2019, 09:27 AM