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post Oct 31 2019, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Oct 31 2019, 01:51 AM)
They do believe if he is kicked out that he would probably go back to the 1st wife's house.

Yup they are into ancestor worship which I think may have something to do with why he is so gung-ho on a child bearing his family name.

Haha... my wife only thinks everything of mine belongs to her. No such thing as half as she like the MIL they believe if they don't own everything of his then another woman can own it too.
Well as repugnant as it is a situation I will definitely have to stand behind her instead of staying neutral.
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I would imagine the situation with your father must have opened up some deep raw wounds, hope it has healed by now.
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You sure do feel strongly for him smile.gif

Anyway just so you know MIL did tell him she was putting the 2 daughters' names on the title of the condo and only after that they would look into getting a mortgage on it. What she did not tell him was that she is removing her name off the deed as well.

He was agreeable to it and is still under the impression he will be getting his money.

As for getting him out, currently MIL has some knee issues and can't walk far. We are renting a single storey house paid 50:50 by both daughters and both of them will get moved to the rented house. Once he is out, locks will be changed and will get a contractor to start hacking to make the place inhabitable.

Once he is out of there and transfer complete, he will be told mortgage only for RM120,000 and will be told no money to give him as must pay stamp duty and legal fees plus the renovations needed to rent it out. If he doesn't put up a fuss MIL will just let him be, if he does then she will tell him the house they are staying in their 2 daughters rented for her so he has to get out. If he don't want to get out then we will find her another house and let him deal with the landlord.

As you put it earlier hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
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1) She doesn't want any part of the condo to go to him in an event of a contested divorce.

2) At this moment the 3 women couldn't care less if that's what happens to him as they view it that he has betrayed them and they are basically fed up with him.

3) MIL's upkeep is mostly through the 2 daughters giving her RM500 each every month. If she loses the condo then she will live with the 2nd daughter I guess?
Doubt my father would agree to that biggrin.gif
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Your MIL's plan is in effect cheating your FIL out of his half share in the condo(= about RM400k) for the lesser "crime" of wanting to buy the birth-name-right from XYZ with his half share of the condo. He did not intend to go back to the 1st wife and leave your MIL penniless and homeless if she made a fuss.

If he makes a fuss in the rented SST house, which he will very likely do, your MIL's group of "gangsters", including yourself, will throw him out of the house, leaving him penniless and homeless. Your FIL's 1st wife will likely not take him in since he is then penniless.
....... Your FIL may then sue your MIL for divorce and his half share in the condo in Family/Divorce Court.

Even if he won't or couldn't sue in court and die soon after, penniless and homeless, your MIL and her group of "gangsters", including yourself and your wife = accessories or abettors to a "crime"/evil-deed/sin/law-breaking, will have to face the consequences of your "crime" from the heavens or God, eg will be struck with cancer, calamities, etc. Be warned.

I am not biased for your FIL. I am just looking at the issue for fairness and justice = your angry and betrayed MIL should just sell the condo, give him his half share and divorce him, ... or should just accept her lousy husband's shenanigans, stop his RM300k dealings and suffer his threats or slaps. Why string him along, cheat him out of his half share in the condo and divorce him or kick him out if he makes a fuss about being strung along and cheated.?
....... It's very clear that local Divorce/Family Law says that what your MIL and her "gangsters" are planning to do is wrong or against the law. The judge would pronounce all of you guilty and redress this wrong against your FIL. So will the Judge in heaven.
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P S - Like I said before, when your FIL finally finds out he has been strung along and cheated out of his half share in the condo which he had paid for with his own money, he may lose his mind and go the chop-chop route when making a fuss in the rented SST house, ie murder-suicide. Can you and your wife handle such a /k-drama ending.?

Your FIL may also want to chop-chop you into pieces since you are the "mastermind" or financial sponsor/backer of your MIL's devious plan. Beware.!, your wife may be taking you go Holland(= oh lan) or go sell salted duck eggs(= all will go die).
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post Oct 31 2019, 12:07 PM

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post Oct 31 2019, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Oct 31 2019, 01:51 AM)
They do believe if he is kicked out that he would probably go back to the 1st wife's house.

Yup they are into ancestor worship which I think may have something to do with why he is so gung-ho on a child bearing his family name.

Haha... my wife only thinks everything of mine belongs to her. No such thing as half as she like the MIL they believe if they don't own everything of his then another woman can own it too.
Well as repugnant as it is a situation I will definitely have to stand behind her instead of staying neutral.

I would imagine the situation with your father must have opened up some deep raw wounds, hope it has healed by now.
You sure do feel strongly for him smile.gif

Anyway just so you know MIL did tell him she was putting the 2 daughters' names on the title of the condo and only after that they would look into getting a mortgage on it. What she did not tell him was that she is removing her name off the deed as well.

He was agreeable to it and is still under the impression he will be getting his money.

As for getting him out, currently MIL has some knee issues and can't walk far. We are renting a single storey house paid 50:50 by both daughters and both of them will get moved to the rented house. Once he is out, locks will be changed and will get a contractor to start hacking to make the place inhabitable.

Once he is out of there and transfer complete, he will be told mortgage only for RM120,000 and will be told no money to give him as must pay stamp duty and legal fees plus the renovations needed to rent it out. If he doesn't put up a fuss MIL will just let him be, if he does then she will tell him the house they are staying in their 2 daughters rented for her so he has to get out. If he don't want to get out then we will find her another house and let him deal with the landlord.

As you put it earlier hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
1) She doesn't want any part of the condo to go to him in an event of a contested divorce.

2) At this moment the 3 women couldn't care less if that's what happens to him as they view it that he has betrayed them and they are basically fed up with him.

3) MIL's upkeep is mostly through the 2 daughters giving her RM500 each every month. If she loses the condo then she will live with the 2nd daughter I guess?
Doubt my father would agree to that biggrin.gif
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Don't expect a good outcome from this.

1) Disappointed FIL will become psychologically and physically abusive in rented house so MIL moves out.
2) FIL is unable to pay rent so is evicted by landlord and homeless. 1st wife will not take him in.
3) FIL gets locksmith to open condo and moves back in. No choice or he will have to live on the streets. If there is a tenant FIL will set him running.
4) FIL harrass daughters who are the new condo owners to sell condo and give him half as his share.
5) MIL is unable to get upkeep from condo rental so daughters face financial strain.
6) Finally to resolve the impasse condo is sold and FIL gets half.

So in the end the result will still be the same after a lot of pain to all parties. What MIL should do is to tell FIL "NO" to mortgaging the condo for finance. Situation remains as it is. If FIL cannot accept sell the condo and give him 50%. Deception isn't the way.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 31 2019, 12:22 PM
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post Oct 31 2019, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Oct 31 2019, 12:15 PM)
Don't expect a good outcome from this.

1) Disappointed FIL will become psychologically and physically abusive in rented house so MIL moves out.
2) FIL is unable to pay rent so is evicted by landlord and homeless. 1st wife will not take him in.
3) FIL gets locksmith to open condo and moves back in. No choice or he will have to live on the streets. If there is a tenant FIL will set him running.
4) FIL harrass daughters who are the new condo owners to sell condo and give him half as his share.
5) MIL is unable to get upkeep from condo rental so daughters face financial strain.
6) Finally to resolve the impasse condo is sold and FIL gets half.

So in the end the result will still be the same after a lot of pain to all parties. What MIL should do is to tell FIL "NO" to mortgaging the condo for finance. Situation remains as it is. If FIL cannot accept sell the condo and give him 50%. Deception isn't the way.
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MIL giving 50% or all to FIL is not an issue if uses it for his business and to plough it back to the family later after getting his returns. All sensible wife will die together with the husband but will not die with him because of another woman.

But taking the 50% and pass some of it to buy a surname ? What happens when all money gone? When someone can come up with this reason for money, there will be many more b4 FIL is milked dry. Otherwise scammers wont have good time. If the pregnant daughter knew what the father wants, husband and wife can do it voluntary. If the husband disagreed, a mil dollar cannot even make him change his mind.

Status quo and things will be less complicated. As stated earlier, 1 slap to keep the house, why not?

By the way, me no talk heaven to frighten people.

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post Oct 31 2019, 01:13 PM

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From many years of personal observation of my family and relatives, I have witnessed how the heavens or God cursed/punished with cancer, calamities, bankruptcy/poverty, etc those who had done evil/sins/law-breaking/crime against others. A few of them were millionaires and/or politicians.
....... Do the police and courts not punish traffic offenders, convicted criminals or law-breakers.? If there is a higher omniscient power on earth, similar enforcement of the Law will happen.
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post Oct 31 2019, 01:19 PM

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MIL trembling now.

Gif 50% no cancer guaranteed.
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post Oct 31 2019, 02:51 PM

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If after you retired, you are in a similar situation as your FIL , eg you "love" your young 30 yo mistress more than your old wrinkly 60 yo wife(= will look like your MIL today), and your wife does the same thing to you, ie take heartless revenge on you by leaving you penniless and homeless, do you think that is right, fair and just to you.?

Don't say it is impossible for this to happen to you because Malaysia and Thailand have powerful bomohs = black magic powers. I have witnessed and heard of old wrinkly wives doing something similar to their womanising husband.
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post Oct 31 2019, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 31 2019, 12:36 PM)
MIL giving 50% or all to FIL is not an issue if uses it for his business and to plough it back to the family later after getting his returns. All sensible wife will die together with the husband but will not die with him because of another woman.

But taking the 50% and pass some of it to buy a surname ?  What happens when all money gone? When someone can come up with this reason for money, there will be many more b4 FIL is milked dry. Otherwise scammers wont have good time. If the pregnant daughter knew what the father wants, husband and wife can do it voluntary. If the husband disagreed, a mil dollar cannot even make him change his mind.

Status quo and things will be less complicated. As stated earlier, 1 slap to keep the house, why not?

By the way, me no talk heaven to frighten people.
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MIL and FIL are in a loveless marriage and on the point of divorce. If it comes to divorce the proper thing for MIL to do is to give back to FIL 50% of the matrimonial home. What he does with his money is none of her business. MIL should not try to deprive FIL of his share when it is the only asset which will keep him from being penniless and homeless.

For men who keep minor wife/mistress karma usually comes calling in old age. When children are grown up legal wife will leave him and minor wife/mistress will not accept him when he cannot serve as an ATM anymore. He also loses the respect of his children and he will be alone in old age. This is what happened to TS's FIL except that 1st wife is the "mistress" and 2nd wife is the legal wife.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Oct 31 2019, 03:00 PM)
MIL and FIL are in a loveless marriage and on the point of divorce. If it comes to divorce the proper thing for MIL to do is to give back to FIL 50% of the matrimonial home. What he does with his money is none of her business. MIL should not try to deprive FIL of his share when it is the only asset which will keep him from being penniless and homeless.

For men who keep minor wife/mistress karma usually comes calling in old age. When children are grown up legal wife will leave him and minor wife/mistress will not accept him when he cannot serve as an ATM anymore. He also loses the respect of his children and he will be alone in old age. This is what happened to TS's FIL except that 1st wife is the "mistress" and 2nd wife is the legal wife.
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There is no proper thing in a divorce esp if it involves money. If things is that straight forward, couples dont need to go to court to fight it out, even in cases it does not involve a third party.

To MIL, if FIL can win the case, she have to give but not without giving up a fight. Some people wont mind fighting a legal battle even the winning is slim. Why should I hand the money to you on a silver plate? Go to court and claim what is yours. By the time FIL wins the case, the child is oredi few years old. Can change surname then? or work out an IOU with the daughter?

In a divorce case, always engage a lawyer with a heart made of steel, no feelings and want your opponent dead!

The Q is ...

Do the plaintiff have the financial means to take it up right to the Federal court? Otherwise, take my offer for out of court settlement. Is cruel you may say, but that that none my business. Wait for god's punishment, but that is later. What is important is NOW.

Ref case ... TS Khoo KP with former Ms Msia whom she have few children with him.

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Division of properties between divorced couples is quite straightforward. There is no long court fight necessary. Either one of two options will happen:

1. The couple work out between themselves on the division of assets.

2. If they cannot come to an agreement it is left to the judge to decide on how to split when granting the divorce. The judge may decide 50-50 but not always. The party which has done the most to acquire the asset is likely to get a bigger share.

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A person here with a mini brain knows crap about Malaysian Divorce Law and talks sheeet out of his/her foul mouth.
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Oct 31 2019, 05:17 PM)
Division of properties between divorced couples is quite straightforward. There is no long court fight necessary. Either one of two options will happen:

1. The couple work out between themselves on the division of assets.

2. If they cannot come to an agreement it is left to the judge to decide on how to split when granting the divorce. The judge may decide 50-50 but not always. The party which has done the most to acquire the asset is likely to get a bigger share.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 31 2019, 01:13 PM)
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From many years of personal observation of my family and relatives, I have witnessed how the heavens or God cursed/punished with cancer, calamities, bankruptcy/poverty, etc those who had done evil/sins/law-breaking/crime against others. A few of them were millionaires and/or politicians.
....... Do the police and courts not punish traffic offenders, convicted criminals or law-breakers.? If there is a higher omniscient power on earth, similar enforcement of the Law will happen.
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post Oct 31 2019, 05:58 PM

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When logic fails, god's agent appears plus the cursing on his behalf upon MIL

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 31 2019, 12:07 PM)
'God' should have created less horny mankind.
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u prob won't exist if that's ur wish
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QUOTE(bronkos @ Oct 31 2019, 06:02 PM)
u prob won't exist if that's ur wish
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I cant answer you. Got ask higher up.

Less horny doesnt mean cannot have children.

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 31 2019, 12:07 PM)
'God' should have created less horny mankind.
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Not less horny but balanced horniness between couples. Too many marriages where one partner wants it more than the other (not always the man) while the other partner thinks it is no big deal and causing frustration and unhappiness to the other.

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If your FIL has connections to Ah Longs(= real BillCollectors) or Chinese Secret Society gangsters, who hate unfilial sons and daughters/sons-in-law who make their father become penniless and homeless(= against Chinese culture or Confucianism), not even the police will be able to save you and your wife = you may become like char-siew. Please don't be too cocky and proud. Be warned 2.0.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 30 2019, 08:20 AM)
Declare bankrupt and pass all money to Insolvency Dept?

No creditors to pay, then collect back money?
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yes & No
creditors not just bank or finance companies. but can be individual also. so he can create any individual, backups by some agreements, he/she is good to go.

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QUOTE(3DME @ Nov 3 2019, 12:02 AM)
yes & No
creditors not just bank or finance companies. but can be individual also. so he can create any individual, backups by some agreements, he/she is good to go.
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Is that how bankruptcy works?

According to one local EXPERT, cheaters will have serious health problems & face god in hell for judgement. If both fails, taiko will take over.

YOU ARE WARNED.

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