1 John 3:23 , the last phrase was refering to what Jesus said: Love one another in the New Testament.

John 13:34 (NIV) - A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

It's a reminder, as He has commanded..as Christ commanded. That's the hint.

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If you read Matthew 5:18 Carefully, it says there.

For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled What this means is that once it is fufilled and Christ did finally fufilled it, the custody it has on the believer is no more.

Romans 10:4 (KJV) - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

What this means is that when we receive Christ, We also receive what Christ has done. Now is the matter of Faith, no more of the law


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Note that MATT.22:37-40 was thrown to the Pharisees. As Ive said before and you can study this: whenever someone come to Jesus trying to be justified by the Law, Jesus will give the Law. The purpose of it, Ive also explained. It's to bring Man to the end of themselves.

The Law cannot impart life , neither righteousness.

Galatians 2:21 (NIV) - I do not set aside the grace of God. For if righteousness comes through the Law, Christ died for nothing."

Galatians 3:21 (NIV) - Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 3 2020, 03:20 PM

Amen to that. and by His Grace we are saved.

But I also believe faith is followed with proper behaviors.

Hence, it's VERY NOT easy to be a Christian - so many obedient list to do.

And obedience also takes precedence in Christianity life. I guess obedience is something we can link with the law part?

God bless.

Indeed, our lord had said, if we love him, we will follow his commandments.

And as the apostle paul said he had keep the faith in 2 corinthians, faith demand action, faith demand obedience

AMEN to that

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MATT.7:21-23 = I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

REV.22: = Jesus Testifies to the Churches

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

Like I already told you, JOHN.14:15 's commandments referred to the Law, as He gave us commandment because Jesus Christ had stated at MATT.5:17 that He did not come to destroy the Law = no new laws and no higher laws from Him in the NT, except the commandment to believe in Him for salvation from hell(= no longer believe in the keeping of the Law for salvation) and for Christian believers to love one another(= no longer specifically to love their neighbours).

Of course Jesus Christ often throw the Law at the Pharisees because they still believed they were going to be saved from hell by keeping the Law, as per the Old Covenant of the Law, hence one of the reasons they rejected Him as the Messiah/Christ. Jesus came with a New Covenant of faith in Him for salvation from hell.
....... Of course for those who already believed in Him for salvation from hell, eg the apostles, He had no need to throw the Law at them.
....... This was par for the course or self-explanatory. Again I say to you, Jesus Christ did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it by dwelling in believers through His Spirit, implanting His laws in their hearts and minds and thus empowering them to keep the Law from within.

Seems you have a problem listening to the Scriptures I quoted and are stuck at the point of conversion of salvation from hell by faith in Jesus Christ, and not by the keeping of the Law(= the elementary principles of Christ), and has not progressed much further from that point. The peril of not progressing from the point of conversion by faith in Jesus Christ wrt the keeping of the Law by the power of the Holy Spirit of God to avoid the earthly curses of God apply considerably to Gentile Christians who were mostly lawless Gentiles before their conversion, especially if they ignorantly continue to break the Law unrepentantly by willfully or intentionally committing sexual immorality like adultery, fornication and homosexuality. .......

HEB.6: = The Peril of Not Progressing

6 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

Good day.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Apr 3 2020, 04:41 PM

If it were so, why do we still have latter Scripture against the unrepentant breaking of the Law by willfully or intentionally committing sins repeatedly at MATT.7:21-23, 1COR.6:9-11, GAL.5:19-21, REV.22:12-17, HEB.10:26-31, 1COR.5:1-13 & 11:30, 1JOHN.3:8 & 5:16-17, etc - which warned Christians about being cursed by God with earthly calamities and even the loss of their inheritance in the kingdom of God for such willful sins/law-breaking.?

Seems you are tying nearly every NT Scripture with your obsession about being saved from hell by faith in Jesus Christ, and not by the keeping of the Law - to the extent of rejecting the Law fully or partially from your life.
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MATT.5:17-20 (NKJV) = Christ Fulfills the Law

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

To enter the kingdom of heaven, the Christians' righteousness must exceed that of the Jewish scribes and Pharisees(= experts/scholars in Moses Law). As per 1JOHN.1:9 & 5:17 and ROMANS.1:29 & 6:13, unrighteousness = sin or law-breaking; so righteousness = the keeping of the Law or doing good-deeds.
....... How did Jesus Christ fulfilled this for Christian believers, ie for their righteousness to exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees.? = by dwelling in them through His Spirit, implanting His laws in their hearts and minds and thus empowering them to easily keep the Law from within. In comparison, the Jewish scribes and Pharisees had to labor under their own human strength and weak willpower against the fiery darts of the wicked one to keep the Law from without - compelled by law-enforcers to do so.
....... Before the 1st Coming of Jesus Christ to earth, not many Jews successfully kept the Law and got saved from hell, eg beggar Lazarus, Moses, Elijah and other prophets.

If Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law by just dying on the Cross and saving believers from hell by faith in Him - and then fullstop, He would not need to say verses 19 & 20, especially about the Christians' righteousness having to exceed that of the Jewish scribes and Pharisees, in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Remember, the perils of not progressing from the elementary principles of Christ (= about being saved from hell by faith in Him) because He is the living God and is the same yesterday, today and forever.

It is likely an error for a Christian to say that nobody can actually keep the Law = Christian bodies are breaking the Law = this is "normal". The Christian who said this may falsely believe that the "normal" unrepentant willful or intentional breaking of the Law would never jeopardize his/her salvation from hell by faith in Jesus Christ. Problem is, faith can be lost through unrepentant willful sins/law-breaking and the Lord/God Jesus Christ can spit him/her out for his/her unrepentant willful sins.

Good day.
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1JOHN.3: (NKJV) = The Command to Love

3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

Sin and the Child of God

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. ...
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18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

To get the proper context of verse 23, we need to refer back to verse 3-9 and verse 22. Verse 3-9 say that those who truly believe in Him purify themselves and do not commit sins or lawlessness or law-breaking or commandment-breaking. Here it refers to the not breaking of the Law. Verse 22 says that believers keep His commandments = plural = refers to keeping the Law.
....... So, His commandment at verse 23 cannot mean that believers should just believe in Jesus Christ and love one another and omitting the rest of the Law or commandments.
....... Love one another for Christians is the same as love your neighbor as yourself for the Jews - Jewish Christians like Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, could very well relate the two commandments as the same.

MATT.22:37-40 - similarly if Christians think they can just rely on the 2 great commandments of God to guide their Spirit-filled lives on earth, they will be sorely mistaken = not in accordance with the Scripture at ACTS.21:20-25. Even though the other 611 commandments are not as great, they are still important, eg EXO.20:1-17, DEUT.18:9-14, LEV.10:9, etc.
....... I guess for Gentile Christians, about 100 commandments out of 613 are non-burdensome which should be kept by them, in order for them to do well on earth and not risk losing their salvation by losing faith in God/Jesus-Christ through intentionally or willfully sinning/law-breaking in ignorance, false teachings, etc.

Good day.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Apr 3 2020, 09:05 PM

John 14:15 (NIV) - "If you love me, keep my commands.

To Which Christ specifically says in

John 13:34 (NIV) - A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
1 John 3:23 (NIV) - And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.

As I've told you before, what our Lord Christ said n Matthew 5:27-30 is not destroying anything. Christ who gave the law raise the bar higher. Destroying the Law would mean making the Law null before it's accomplished. But as it was at that time Christ came to fufilled it, Hence the law was waiting. Once Christ has fufilled it, When we accept Christ, We also receive What He has achieved.

Romans 10:4 (KJV) - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

You are denying Christ if you deny what He said in Matthew 5:27-30

Adultery

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ e 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

I think you know, you are unable to do this.

I've no problem listening and reading the scripture, just that the ones you quote seem to be irrelevant, you just simply throw scripture without understanding the context. You must understand that even the OT must be revelaed under the light of the NT.

You seem to be emotionally judging me a lot by assuming I'm stuck at the point of conversion, not progressing. That is not true.

When I mention, no one can keep the Law, I'm talking about Christians looking at trying to be justified by the Law for Salvation.

This is the part where you didn't understand and keeps going round and round.

Progression is the work of the Holy Spirit, something not for you to thump at people. You're like the pharisee, being self righteous, holier than thou now by accusing me and judging me.

I usually find people who hanker after the law, are usually mean to others, the Law usually have this effect. What's worse is that they become judgemental.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 3 2020, 11:20 PM

So are you saying that Salvation now depends on keeping the Law Also?

Got you, didn't I? That's why I already knew, despite of you "merely" confessing One is saved by Faith in Jesus Christ and not the works of the Law, you don't really believe that.

Here you are quoting, one needs to keep the law to be saved.

As I've said, this is one of the part where Christians have missed it and you're confusing yourself.

You have no faith in Christ to save you by what He did at the cross? You need assuarance by works of the Law as well?

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Why are there still unrepentant people? I'll tell you why. Because you're still preaching on the Law, The Function of God's Law is to trigger sin in us.

1 Corinthians 15:56 (NIV) - The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

If you want people to get out of the loop/cycle of sinning, you got put believers under Grace

Romans 6:14 (KJV) - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

This is so crystal clear, why you cannot see this?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 3 2020, 11:27 PM

Read and understand the context. Nobody can purify themselves by works of the law or whatever effort.

It is Christ who sanctify us by his Blood and his Word

John 15:3 (NIV) - You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
Ephesians 5:26 (NIV) - to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

Think about the meaning of "Hope". This Hope is refering to what God has promised us. If you hold on this Hope, believing it, not budging from it, THIS HOPE purifies you.

The keyword to this is the last phrase "Just as Christ is pure". If indeed we need to purify ourselves by our performance, it has to be a perfect one to match as pure as Christ, which is no way can be performed by any of our hands or whatever body intruments.

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So the truth has been made known, You are teaching heresy here:

We need to keep 100 commandments so to do well on Earth and not to lose Salvation????


Sorry but this is hinging towards Judaism and not Christianity.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 3 2020, 11:19 PM

1 Timothy 6:16 explains god is immortal, which was not happen to jesus:
"who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."

If u said jesus himself said he can die, then clearly he is not the true god.
Being brought back to life even with the help of the father further justify limited power/authority given to jesus, besides not immortal.

Dont stick to christian theology, learn jesus words and teachings carefully, how he live his life.

I did quote to you what Jesus said it himself. You self contradict a lot.

sorry no longer interested in whatever you have to say since I know you are rather inconsistent.

You only use Jesus words when it convenient you and reject when it doesn't.

That is not the way. If you yourself would take your own advise, you would not reject what Christ himself said that he would die and rose again.



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Early jesus followers dont even have trinity concept.
U must have study the christian history and be able to point out when this trinity became the foundation in christian.

U can point out what everyone said about jesus, but, what is the concept of god taught by jesus?

U are quick to point out others mistake while forgetting yours.

I clearly understand your point and no objection about it.

I do believe most christians only follow some of them, not all.
The no.4 is the one i can see it clearly.

You are inconsistent, selective in chossing even Jesus word...thus you're not qualified to even point that to anyone.


Sorry.

Which one do u belong to?
Thos who gain knowledge then can only have faith.
Or blind faith before knowing anything.

Which god explained by 1 timothy 6:16;
The person which the 3 gods manifest as?
Or each one person/element in trinity?

Too much knowledge sometimes can be deceitful - that's why we see people argue based on their own ego.

And scientists know it all (Hence, why a lot of them are atheists). I still prefer some reverence and the unknown and perhaps the right time I will get it.

And if I ever not get it, may the Grace of God guides me in my thoughts and behaviors.

But I agree with you, faith needs to have knowledge. That's why we are encouraged to question. Question the presence of science and religion - and I believe they go hand in hand.

To your question, I belong to Christ.