But even in Christianity has different sects, and which sect loves God the most?

To be honest, I find some books in Bible is very hard to understand especially when it comes to Leviticus.

This post has been edited by NicoRobinz: Oct 9 2019, 06:26 PM

ahhh, yes, book of Leviticus.

£You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.£ - Leviticus 19:28

So that means no tattoos. Tattoos are socially acceptable if you are not a Christian.

HEBREWS.8:7-13 (NKJV) = A New Covenant

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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Yes, in the New Covenant we are saved from hell solely by faith in Jesus Christ, and not by the Old Covenant of keeping the Law.
....... Nevertheless, the Word of God above says that in the New Covenant, God would first implant His Law/laws/commandments in the hearts and mind of Jews of the house of Israel. This New Covenant was later extended to the Gentiles.
....... There was no problem with God doing this implantation in the Jews as the Jews became Christians, like the 12 apostles and 108 disciples of Christ, since they were already well-versed with all 613 laws/commandments in Moses Law or God's Law, having learned them from childhood - 2TIM.3:14-17.

But for later Gentile Christian adults brought into the sheepfold by apostle Paul, God would have a problem doing this implantation of His laws in them because most Gentile Christians had formerly led lawless lives from childhood as Gentiles, ie wrt God's Law.
....... So, what did God do with the new Gentile Christians.? At ACTS.15:19-29 & 21:20-25, ROMANS.14:1-4, God liberated them from the burdensome parts of His Law, eg they were exempted from being circumcised, eating kosher/clean foods, keeping Sabbath strictly on Saturday or Sunday, etc. OTOH, God required them to begin their new born-again lives by just keeping 4 simple non-burdensome laws/commandments, ie avoid eating blood, strangled animal sacrifices, foods offered to idols and sexual immorality. Thereafter, they should gradually learn to keep the other non-burdensome or non-essential laws like the 10 Commandments - the spiritual milk of 1COR.3:1-3 for spiritual new-born babies.
....... There is always the danger of new Gentile Christians not growing spiritually or being taken captive by Satan with demonic doctrines like Hyper-Grace, counterfeit miracles, etc - 1TIM.4:1, 2THESS.2:9, 2TIM.3:1. Eg misguided Christians like Martin Luther, the supposed father of the Protestant Reformation, even set aside the 10 Commandments and proceeded to break them(= commit sins) when attacked and tormented by Satan about his salvation = justification by faith and not by the Law(= Satan planted doubts in his heart).

In comparison, most Jewish Christians were born-again as Spirit'ual adults. So, God required them to continue to keep Moses Law or His Law, as many laws as possible, because they were not a burden to them, eg the apostles continued to keep Moses Law, as do today's Messianic Jews. Jewish Christians were not to live like new Gentile Christians = it would be like a dog returning to its vomit, ie to the time of pre-Law Job, Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah.

HEBREWS.5:12-14 = Spiritual Immaturity

12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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1PETER.2:1-3 = Our Inheritance Through Christ’s Blood

2 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, 3 if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious..
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1COR.3:1-4 = Sectarianism Is Carnal

3 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

sorry, but i believe that sacraments are sacrilegious.

God loves everyone to be honest and even the different Christian sects, the real question we have to ask ourselves is, do we really love God ? Do we really understand what loving God is truly all about or is it loving God only limited according to our human understanding of what love is.

Being able to fulfill the Greatest Commandment is the first step every Christian must learn. The human heart is capable of such profound love, when God changes ones heart of stone to a heart of flesh.

As for the query, fret not, for everything will fall into place when the time comes especially with the Spirit of God. 😊

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Please elaborate on what is not right.

Trusting in Jesus Christ saves us from hell (= inherit eternal life in the kingdom of heaven) when we die = resurrection or rapture, then live 1,000 years with Christ(= God-in-the-flesh) on a new earth before finally meeting God in His true form(EZEK.1, REV.4) in His kingdom of heaven.

But before dying and being resurrected or raptured by God, most of us still have to spend many years on this rotten earth. How should we live this life on earth if not by God's Law or His Word which He implants in our mind and hearts through His Holy Spirit(HEBREWS.8:7-13).? Problem is, most of the formerly lawless Gentile Christians are practically empty of God's Law in their mind and hearts. Such Gentile Christians must hear or read God's laws/commandments before God could implant them in their mind and hearts, so that they could be empowered by His Holy Spirit to lead a morally-upright and law-abiding lives of earth = will be blessed by God with a good and long life on earth.
....... It's like a scientist programming his codes(= laws/rules) into his robot, so that it will do what he wants it to do. Without the right program codes, the robot will fail to do as desired by the scientist.

Trusting in Jesus Christ and being born-again of the Spirit alone won't help or guide such spiritual-baby Gentile Christians who lack God's laws in their mind and hearts, to live a morally-upright and word/law-abiding lives on earth. They need to grow Spirit'ually by feeding on the Word/Law = feeding on His flesh = feeding on the Bread of life = partaking the bread and wine of the Holy Communion or Mass.
....... Remember, Jesus Christ is also the Word. To trust Jesus Christ = to also trust the Word. The Word of God is also the Law of God. EPH.6:17 says that the sword of the Spirit is the Word of God = the Holy Spirit of God can't work His power without the Word of God or the Law of God, as is the case with most new and just born-again Gentile Christians. Such Gentile Christians who continue to neglect and ignore God's laws/commandments, as found in the Old Testament, will likely not endure in their faith = lose faith and salvation. Babies are easily killed or die more in numbers compared to adults - same goes for spiritual babies-in-Christ.

In comparison, at JOHN.13:10 , Jesus Christ declared the 11 Jewish Christian apostles as clean = no need for their bodies to be bathed by Him = only needed their feet to be washed by Him. Feet are used for walking on earth = walking in the Spirit on earth = how to live our lives on earth.
....... Most new Gentile Christians need their whole bodies to be bathed and their feet washed clean by the Lord/God Jesus Christ since spiritual babes-in-Christ cannot walk properly in the Spirit.

This is where you misunderstand as proven right what I said the 1st time, people put their words into my mouth.

You think when I say look away = go ahead to sin.

How does one know? Since the beginning of time when God created Man in his image, that comes together with moral conscious built in. Even before the 10 commandment was given, Man and woman already know what is wrong, what is fear, etc.

And as written in Hebrews 10:15-16, same thing.


15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First He says:

16“This is the covenant I will make with them

after those days, declares the Lord.

I will put My laws in their hearts

and inscribe them on their minds.”b

I do think every Christians already know the 10 commandments. Even unbelievers have heard of it. So to say how to know is really a misnomer. When scripture says that 10 commandments = Ministry of death, basically, what God is saying, you will NEVER be able to justify yourself in being righteous by his laws because God's law was never design to make anyone holy or to save them. But the reverse, the more you try to adhere to it, trespasses will abound even more..meaning the more you try the more you will end up sinning.


Romans 3:20 (KJV) - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Am I saying God's law = Sin?

No. God's law is holy but it becomes death for anyone who thinks they can self justify thought it because God's standard is just too high.

People just forget, our righteousness is as dirty as a women sanitary napkin.


Read this through and you'll know what I say is correct.



Romans 7:7-25

God’s Law Is Holy

7What then shall we say? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed, I would not have been mindful of sin if not for the law. For I would not have been aware of coveting if the law had not said, “Do not covet.”a 8But sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from the law, sin is dead.

9Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10So I discovered that the very commandment that was meant to bring life actually brought death. 11For sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through the commandment put me to death.

12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good.

Struggling with Sin

13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? Certainly not! But in order that sin might be exposed as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. 17In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. 20And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. 23But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!

What Romans 7:8 is saying, Sin is only alive through God's law and not anywhere else. (1 Corinthians 15:56 - The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.)

Look at verse 25!

That is why I say...look away from OT God's law and look to Christ.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 10 2019, 09:30 AM

Because this type of preposition is the same type as Christians should not go to doctors because by doing so means you don't have faith in God.

Q. If God is sovereign over all things, does He have the power to change sinners heart, raise the dead, and bring an unbelieving man into repentance?

It's interesting to note that.....God said this, Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. There's meaning in that to help understand your question.

Why is it that Heaven and Earth can be destroyed but his word cannot?

Because God's Word = God. (John 1:1 (NIV) - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.)

With that being said, If anyone can uncover God, He himself would be God. And I'm glad that is true. That I cannot completely understand everything about God, that makes Him a very superior being.

But does it mean God is a complete mystery and not possible to be understood? Ie his word...of course not. You have the Holy Spirit to help confirm in your heart what is truth.

Just want to say something on the last part of the sentence.

In contrast...even for people who already knew God.....God didn't stop or influence Adam from disobeying.

just note of interest.

Sacraments are instituted by Christ Himself.

2CHRONICLES.16:7-13 (NKJV) = Hanani’s Message to Asa

7 And at that time Hanani the seer came to Asa king of Judah, and said to him: “Because you have relied on the king of Syria, and have not relied on the Lord your God, therefore the army of the king of Syria has escaped from your hand. 8 Were the Ethiopians and the Lubim not a huge army with very many chariots and horsemen? Yet, because you relied on the Lord, He delivered them into your hand. 9 For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is loyal to Him. In this you have done foolishly; therefore from now on you shall have wars.” 10 Then Asa was angry with the seer, and put him in prison, for he was enraged at him because of this. And Asa oppressed some of the people at that time.

Illness and Death of Asa

11 Note that the acts of Asa, first and last, are indeed written in the book of the kings of Judah and Israel. 12 And in the thirty-ninth year of his reign, Asa became diseased in his feet, and his malady was severe; yet in his disease he did not seek the Lord, but the physicians.

13 So Asa rested with his fathers; he died in the forty-first year of his reign.
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MARK.5:25-34 = 25 Now a certain woman had a flow of blood for twelve years, 26 and had suffered many things from many physicians. She had spent all that she had and was no better, but rather grew worse. 27 When she heard about Jesus, she came behind Him in the crowd and touched His garment. 28 For she said, “If only I may touch His clothes, I shall be made well.”

29 Immediately the fountain of her blood was dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of the affliction. 30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in Himself that power had gone out of Him, turned around in the crowd and said, “Who touched My clothes?”

31 But His disciples said to Him, “You see the multitude thronging You, and You say, ‘Who touched Me?’ ”

32 And He looked around to see her who had done this thing. 33 But the woman, fearing and trembling, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell down before Him and told Him the whole truth. 34 And He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace, and be healed of your affliction.”
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MATTHEW.9:10-13 =10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
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As per MATTHEW.9:10-13, all Jews and Gentiles are born sinners and need the Great Physician to save them from hell when they die because of their inherited Adam's Original Sin - ROMANS.5:12 = believers become Christians.

But for such new Christians' remaining lives on earth before death and salvation actually occurs, Word/Law-abiding Christians who do not commit sins leading to death, especially Jewish Christians, do not need doctors or physicians for hospital treatment of serious illnesses/diseases, as per the 1st 2 Bible quotes above, because God will bless them with a good and long life on earth.
No one is perfect = even law-abiding Christians may occasionally commit unintentional or negligent sins not leading to death = may occasionally need to see a General Practioner doctor for treatment of a non-serious illness. IOW, they are not habitual sinners/law-breakers.
....... There is something very Spirit'ually wrong with a Christian wrt trust/faith in God and His Word/Law, when he/she has to see GP doctors very often or see hospitalization doctors for treatment of serious illnesses a few times, eg spiritual-baby Gentile Christians who never grew up or refused to grow up, eg because they are ignorant of God's laws/words.. .......

1COR.11:30-32 = 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.
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DEUT.28: = Curses on Disobedience

15 “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: ...

. 21 The Lord will make the plague cling to you until He has consumed you from the land which you are going to possess. 22 The Lord will strike you with consumption, with fever, with inflammation, with severe burning fever, with the sword, with scorching, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Oct 13 2019, 10:48 PM

I'll agree with you on the part no one can justify himself. No where did I say man can justify himself. Saying to turn away from the 10 Commandments won't help either. "Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth." (Ps 119:142).

The Law is that what defines what is good and what is evil, what is righteousness and what is sin. Therefore, the law itself is good, but our sinful nature, since it finds out what is sinful wants to practice sin and thus, sin uses the Law as an opportunity. That is what St Paul means.

Do you know why you only use verses from St Paul to justify your position, just as Luther used only St Paul but denounced St James? Remember the story of St Paul how before he became a Christian he was Saul, the fiercest denouncer of Christians and a high ranking Pharisee. It was because he was trying to follow the Old Covenant laws entirely, both moral, ritual, and judicial. And I maintain that the moral laws remain (and even higher standard since the coming of Christ) but the ritual and judicial laws of Moses has been abrogated as they have all been fulfilled in Christ. Nowhere does it say the commandments of God are to be forgotten. Victory over the sinful nature is possible only in Jesus Christ and only through faith in Him, repenting and asking Him for forgiveness for all our sins and inherit eternal life with all the saints. In the Catholic Church, the way to do that is via the sacraments instituted by Him, beginning with baptism which is the first sarament of faith in Christ, Confession (after we have fallen into sins committed after baptism), Holy Eucharist (receiving His Body and Blood), and so on.

I'll let the CCC explain to you your warped understanding of original sin and human nature below:

God created man in his image and established him in his friendship. A spiritual creature, man can live this friendship only in free submission to God. The prohibition against eating "of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" spells this out: "for in the day that you eat of it, you shall die." The "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" symbolically evokes the insurmountable limits that man, being a creature, must freely recognize and respect with trust. Man is dependent on his Creator, and subject to the laws of creation and to the moral norms that govern the use of freedom.

Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God's command. This is what man's first sin consisted of. All subsequent sin would be disobedience toward God and lack of trust in his goodness.

Scripture portrays the tragic consequences of this first disobedience. Adam and Eve immediately lose the grace of original holiness. They become afraid of the God of whom they have conceived a distorted image - that of a God jealous of his prerogatives.

The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul's spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination. Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.Because of man, creation is now subject "to its bondage to decay".Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will "return to the ground",for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.

After that first sin, the world is virtually inundated by sin There is Cain's murder of his brother Abel and the universal corruption which follows in the wake of sin. Likewise, sin frequently manifests itself in the history of Israel, especially as infidelity to the God of the Covenant and as transgression of the Law of Moses. And even after Christ's atonement, sin raises its head in countless ways among Christians.

After his fall, man was not abandoned by God. On the contrary, God calls him and in a mysterious way heralds the coming victory over evil and his restoration from his fall. This passage in Genesis is called the Protoevangelium ("first gospel"): the first announcement of the Messiah and Redeemer, of a battle between the serpent and the Woman, and of the final victory of a descendant of hers.

The Christian tradition sees in this passage an announcement of the "New Adam" who, because he "became obedient unto death, even death on a cross", makes amends superabundantly for the disobedience, of Adam.305 Furthermore many Fathers and Doctors of the Church have seen the woman announced in the Protoevangelium as Mary, the mother of Christ, the "new Eve". Mary benefited first of all and uniquely from Christ's victory over sin: she was preserved from all stain of original sin and by a special grace of God committed no sin of any kind during her whole earthly life.

But why did God not prevent the first man from sinning? St. Leo the Great responds, "Christ's inexpressible grace gave us blessings better than those the demon's envy had taken away."And St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, "There is nothing to prevent human nature's being raised up to something greater, even after sin; God permits evil in order to draw forth some greater good. Thus St. Paul says, 'Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more'; and the Exsultet sings, 'O happy fault,. . . which gained for us so great a Redeemer!'"

The Council of Trent teaches : If anyone says that man is justified before God by his own works (whether done through the teaching of human nature or the law) without the grace of God through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 10 2019, 11:37 AM

Are you serious or are you trolling?

Read it yourself. If sin uses the Law as an opportunity, why do you want to increase that opportunity? As I've said sin is only empowered through God's law and no where else.

Now they (adults) are disposed unto the said justice, when, excited and assisted by divine grace, conceiving faith by hearing, they are freely moved towards God, believing those things to be true which God has revealed and promised,-and this especially, that God justifies the impious by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; and when, understanding themselves to be sinners, they, by turning themselves, from the fear of divine justice whereby they are profitably agitated, to consider the mercy of God, are raised unto hope, confiding that God will be propitious to them for Christ's sake; and they begin to love Him as the fountain of all justice; and are therefore moved against sins by a certain hatred and detestation, to wit, by that penitence which must be performed before baptism: lastly, when they purpose to receive baptism, to begin a new life, and to keep the commandments of God. Concerning this disposition it is written; He that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him; and, Be of good faith, son, thy sins are forgiven thee; and, The fear of the Lord driveth out sin; and, Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost; and, Going, therefore, teach ye all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; finally, Prepare your hearts unto the Lord.

And what did Christ told the woman caught in adultery? "Go and sin no more!"

You're not reading what I've said or you don't understand what my question ask?

Is adultery a sin or not?

Why are you posting something irrelevant to what I've said?