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post Apr 8 2020, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 8 2020, 11:57 AM)
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Christians should obey such language standards of the world, eg wrt meanings and/or offensiveness/vulgarity of English words. There is no Bible standard for the English language, eg you cannot find the bitch-word that means a female dog, in the English Bible.
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Christians should follow standard of the world for what is offensive in language?


I don't think so. shakehead.gif What manner of standard do you follow? God or the world?

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post Apr 8 2020, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 8 2020 @ 11:57 AM)
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MATT.22:21 = And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
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ROMANS.13: = Submit to Government

13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.


Christians have been commanded to also obey their national governments of the world if the governments do general good for their nation, especially wrt law and order. God's judgment will strike Christians who disobey their goodly government, eg the 24 Catholic seminarians and priest in Penang who disobeyed the MCO and those Baptists who ignored government advice and attended a Kuching Church gathering at end Feb 2020(= one pastor died).

For languages of the world, world-class English dictionary companies like Cambridge, Merriam Webster and Oxford, are the "governing" or standardizing authorities, not the Bible or Concordance. Christians should obey such language standards of the world, eg wrt meanings and/or offensiveness/vulgarity of English words. There is no Bible standard for the English language, eg you cannot find the bitch-word that means a female dog, in the English Bible.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 8 2020, 02:41 PM)
Christians should follow standard of the world for what is offensive in language?
I don't think so.  shakehead.gif  What manner of standard do you follow? God or the world?
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/dickhead

dickhead
noun ( C )
offensive
an unpleasant or stupid person:
You dickhead - you dented the back of my car!
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/cunt

cunt
noun ( C )
offensive
an offensive word for a very unpleasant or stupid person:
You stupid cunt!
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fuck

fuck
verb ( I or T )
offensive
to have sex with someone

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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bitch

bitch
noun
bitch noun (ANIMAL)
( C )
a female dog

.......
_______ _______

Does the English Bible has a standard that list out all English words that are offensive or filthy or vulgar or unwholesome when used in a speech or writing.?

Does the Bible teach about social-distancing, proper hygience, wearing of face-masks, MCO and lockdowns to contain the Wuhan virus/Covid-19 pandemic.?
....... Should Christians disobey their national governments or Health Ministry/US CDC and WHO during this pandemic.?

Example of an offensive, filthy, vulgar and unwholesome public speaker, .......



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post Apr 8 2020, 03:28 PM

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Guys ... you're all are falling into the realm of tree of knowledge of good and evil ... XD
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 8 2020, 02:41 PM)
Christians should follow standard of the world for what is offensive in language?
I don't think so.  shakehead.gif  What manner of standard do you follow? God or the world?
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He follows Oxford dictionary, and how he deems it as the 'truth'

He may open a center called ' I CUNT FUCK DICKHEAD BIBLE CLASS'

Nothing offensive, don't be sensitive y'all.

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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 8 2020, 08:44 PM)
He follows Oxford dictionary, and how he deems it as the 'truth'

He may open a center called ' I CUNT FUCK DICKHEAD BIBLE CLASS'

Nothing offensive, don't be sensitive y'all.
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I believe you are quite new on this Christian Fellowship thread. Are you a Protestant Christian or a Roman Catholic Christian.?
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post Apr 9 2020, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 8 2020, 08:44 PM)
He follows Oxford dictionary, and how he deems it as the 'truth'

He may open a center called ' I CUNT FUCK DICKHEAD BIBLE CLASS'

Nothing offensive, don't be sensitive y'all.
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When Man on his own decides by himself what is offensive it becomes a problem. Every person has different standard and differs from one another.

You realize, in the old days even on TV, vulgar words are very much prohibited BUT by today's standard it is a norm even in movies.

I won't be surprise if he says looking at pornography is not a problem going by that kind of standard.

Romans 3:4






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post Apr 9 2020, 10:22 AM

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Understanding why Christians are no longer under the Law

Romans 7:6 (NIV) - But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Good Day fellow believers, let us read Romans 7:1-6

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Romans 7
1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, a the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.


Being under the law means that you are bound to the rules of the Law, where if you obey are blessed, if you disobey you will be punished under the rules of the law. The bible tells us, the wages of sin is death. And in the same chapter it tells us in verse 11 (refer to your bible), through the Law, sin "triggered" by the law brings us death.

It is very clear in the Bible without ambiguity, the strenght of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56 ), there's no other bible verse that tries to disprove this.

The laws of God was designed not only to show up our sins but also to trigger sin. (Romans 7:10-11)

That is why Christ came to set us free. And this is beautifully illustrated in Romans 7 by using the illustration of marriage. Perhaps those who are not married may not fully understand the revelation but in a gist...what the Bible tell us...There are 2 husbands here. The Law as first Husband and Christ (Grace & Truth) as last husband . It is explained, we have died to God's Old Covenant Law..meaning it no longer has authority over us as how a husband is to the wife. Romans 7:2, tells us If the husband dies or in this case, the Law dies, we have been released from it.

It's interesting to note also how Bible define adultry. If a woman who is still legally married to her husband and have sexual relation other than the husband is consider an adultress. By the same token, if we who have been married to Christ and at the same time try to be married to the Law (Having 2 husbands), don't you think is also adultry? If you have spiritual discernment, you will understand.

It is also interesting to note, in order to bear fruit to the Law, you need to die to the Law. Interesting isn't it? All the while we think by the Law we bear fruit to God. But no...do look at verse Romans 7:4

In summary:

Romans 7:1-6 is trying to tell us...the way to be free from the Law is to die to the Law What does that mean? As I've painstakenly share in my previous devotion. Don't look to the law anymore for justification, understand that it no longer can justify you. Look to Christ and only Christ who not only justify you but who loves you. The Law does not love you. But God do.

God Bless.





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post Apr 9 2020, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 9 2020, 09:42 AM)
When Man on his own decides by himself what is offensive it becomes a problem. Every person has different standard and differs from one another.

You realize, in the old days even on TV, vulgar words are very much prohibited BUT by today's standard it is a norm even in movies.

I won't be surprise if he says looking at pornography is not a problem going by that kind of standard.

Romans 3:4
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It is. And I'm very vary of the things of the World on what's common = what's right (drugs, prostitutes, gay marriage, incest, swinging, and FOUL WORDS)

And soon some Christians may justify the act of incest as it's in the Bible.

Or swinging - as a word invented by God.

Using God's name to do Earthly pleasure. This is real fuck (still sound gentle to some Christians - nothing offensive)

I believe this thread is for fellowship and I hope for more encouragement and not about who's right or which sect is better. And for those who twist God's word, I'm pissed for once.
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Now to the next topic, anyone can share your experience about angels? I means angels often appear in the Bible. And perhaps through your own experience we can help to share God's grace.

Personal experience. Thanks.

Good day and God bless.


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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 9 2020, 11:22 AM)
Now to the next topic, anyone can share your experience about angels? I means angels often appear in the Bible. And perhaps through your own experience we can help to share God's grace.

Personal experience. Thanks.

Good day and God bless.
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God send someone to help me when my car finished petrol in middle of the road. Happened just before the Lockdown, not too long ago.

There's a guy was just standing there......looking at me then approached me...I thought the person wanted to charge me money, offering help to repair my car.

But no.....he help me pushed my car to a petrol station.

I was muttering under my breath...God help me.

I believe the person was God sent. May or may not be a real Angel but an "angel" to my help.

God has been showing grace after grace.

I testify this to the reality and Glory of of our Father in heaven.

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post Apr 9 2020, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 8 2020, 08:44 PM)
He follows Oxford dictionary, and how he deems it as the 'truth'

He may open a center called ' I CUNT FUCK DICKHEAD BIBLE CLASS'

Nothing offensive, don't be sensitive y'all.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 8 2020 @ 10:34 PM)
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I believe you are quite new on this Christian Fellowship thread. Are you a Protestant Christian or a Roman Catholic Christian.?
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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 9 2020, 11:19 AM)
It is. And I'm very vary of the things of the World on what's common = what's right (drugs, prostitutes, gay marriage, incest, swinging, and FOUL WORDS)

And soon some Christians may justify the act of incest as it's in the Bible.

Or swinging - as a word invented by God.

Using God's name to do Earthly pleasure. This is real fuck (still sound gentle to some Christians - nothing offensive)

I believe this thread is for fellowship and I hope for more encouragement and not about who's right or which sect is better. And for those who twist God's word, I'm pissed for once.
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Since you refused to answer my question and stated you believed this thread is for fellowship = not just only for Christian Fellowship, I believe I can take it that you are a non-Christian. Seems, you hate anti-feminist Christians(eg who use the bitch-word in non-offensive settings) and seek to cause major division in this Christian Fellowship thread.

Are you also a strident feminist.?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 9 2020, 09:42 AM)
When Man on his own decides by himself what is offensive it becomes a problem. Every person has different standard and differs from one another.

You realize, in the old days even on TV, vulgar words are very much prohibited BUT by today's standard it is a norm even in movies.

I won't be surprise if he says looking at pornography is not a problem going by that kind of standard.

Romans 3:4

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ROMANS.14: = The Law of Liberty

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 7 2020, 07:37 PM)
Erm fine to you but to me I see it's nothing wrong.
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Like I said it sounds weird. How come we don't use "Son God" when praying to Jesus, or "Spirit God" when praying to the Holy Spirit? I only hear it used by Asian Evangelicals so far.

Hmm, I've found an article on this fairly new term:

http://www.rmsbibleengineering.com/Page3/Page3_11.html

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[quote=lurkingaround,Apr 9 2020, 11:49 AM]
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Since you refused to answer my question and stated you believed this thread is for fellowship = not just only for Christian Fellowship, I believe I can take it that you are a non-Christian. Seems, you hate anti-feminist Christians(eg who use the bitch-word in non-offensive settings) and seek to cause major division in this Christian Fellowship thread.

Are you also a strident feminist.?

I don't answer your question because you think God either belongs to Man U or Man City. And you think other clubs don't exist. And too narrow minded such a thinking of yours. And I'll stop it there.

Don't accuse me something you don't know about. God will judge you the way you judge others. Know well your verse but not practicing it?

Division? What division? Read back my post what my belief is.

Bible also says do not speak with fools. That I truly believe.

No one is putting a stumbling block on you but yourself. So blind to see what's right and wrong. Hence I'll stop it there.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 9 2020, 11:29 AM)
God send someone to help me when my car finished petrol in middle of the road. Happened just before the Lockdown, not too long ago.

There's a guy was just standing there......looking at me then approached me...I thought the person wanted to charge me money, offering help to repair my car.

But no.....he help me pushed my car to a petrol station.

I was muttering under my breath...God help me.

I believe the person was God sent. May or may not be a real Angel but an "angel" to my help.

God has been showing grace after grace.

I testify this to the reality and Glory of of our Father in heaven.
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Ah, kindness shines through people.

Yes, many people have helped me along the way to who I am today - God's blessings are plentiful and everywhere. And I can count my blessings everyday.

In times when there's so much uncertainty, no money, no future, He provides through people.

Blessings are miracles themselves. And when people ask where's the miracles God has done - I often tell them - look at you - so specially formed. Look at the way your hands are made, your eyes, your legs. And why are we clapping hands on a Japanese technology of a robot who moves rater disjointedly, yet the world has yet to rejoice on the beautiful creation of God that is intricately shaped (but they call that a product of a big bang - which I can never understand).

That's why I always say who I am today, is the opportunities that's given by others (my many angels). I don't exist in a vacuum - My outcome is what the society has helped/ shaped me thus far.

Thank you for sharing.

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The Deadly Team of Sin and Law

Resource by John Piper
Scripture: Romans 7:7–13

Topic: The Power & Effects of Sin


What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET." 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. 13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

Some They Will Kill, and Some They Will Persecute

It is a sobering thing that the bearers of good news can be treated with contempt and rejection. For example, Jesus said, "I will send to them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and some they will persecute" (Luke 11:49). And in another place he said, "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name" (Matthew 24:9). And maybe most shocking of all: "An hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God" (John 16:2).

"Gospel" means good news. It means "good news" in Old English, "god spel," and it means "good news" in Greek, "euanggelion." The Christian gospel is good news. And the sad fact is that you can bring good news – the best news in the world, the best news that ever was, the best news that ever will be – and cause people to rage and swear and seethe with anger and scoff at you and even kill you.

But our greatest danger in this situation of misunderstanding or distortion or rejection or persecution is that we ourselves would stop believing that our message is good news, and start treating it as a provocation or a disputation or a legal summons to appear in court. Oh, how easy it is to lose the sense of wonder at the preciousness of the gospel – the good news of Romans 1-5 – that God justifies the ungodly by grace alone, through faith alone, apart from works, on the basis of Christ's work alone, not ours, for the glory of God alone – that "while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly" – that "God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

These truths are not mainly for provocation or disputation or a legal summons to appear in court. They are mainly for proclamation and celebration and liberation and jubilation. And so it should jar us – even though Jesus said it would happen – it should jar us when the best news in all the world is scorned and ridiculed and distorted and perverted and rejected.

The reason I start this way is because in Romans 6 and 7 I don't want us to lose sight of what it is really all about. It's about the gospel of justification of the ungodly [!] by grace alone, through faith alone, on the basis of Christ's work alone, for the glory of God alone. It's all about the good news that sinners can have hope that God will save us from his own wrath on the basis of what Christ did for us, not on the basis of what we do for him.

Distortion of the Good News
And yet when Paul announces and unfolds this glorious good news in Romans 1-5, he has to deal immediately with distortion and rejection of the message. When Paul says in Romans 3:28, "We maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law," and when he says, in Romans 5:20-21, "Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord," there were people who said, "Paul you are making grace into license and you are making Law into sin."

And so Paul writes Romans 6 to defend grace. And he writes Romans 7 to defend Law. That is where we are now. Romans 7:7: "Is the Law sin?" he asks. Answer: "May it never be!" But the objector goes on: "Paul, look what you say in verses 9 and 10. You say, 'I was once alive apart from the Law [that is, he once had little or no consciousness of sin or condemnation or slavery; he just did what he felt like doing; it seemed like freedom and felt like being alive]; but when the commandment came [perhaps as a child or an adolescent waking up from the obliviousness and freedom of self-centeredness; or perhaps at his conversion seeing for the first time the true nature of his spiritual deadness], sin became alive [that is, he experienced sin as sin and the rebellion it really was] and I died [he experienced subjectively the objective reality of his true hopeless condition of slavery to sin, spiritual death]; and this commandment, which was to result in life [the commandments pointed to life, offered life, and couldn't give life – too weak and too powerless], proved to result in death for me.'

"There, you see, Paul, you said it again. You said that God's commandment killed you. You make a murderer out of the Law. You make the Law sin." So Paul continues to explain his meaning in verse 11. "No," he says in essence, "what I mean is this. When I say that the commandment became death for me, I mean, 'Sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.' Sin killed me. Sin brought about my deadly condemnation. Sin brought about my experience of spiritual doom. Sin used the commandment of God as the weapon, but sin is the killer." So he concludes in verse 12: "So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good."

And in verse 13 he repeats in the strongest language possible that sin, not the commandment, killed him. "Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful." This is verse 11 all over again: "Sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me."

That's not What the Law Is for
Picture the Law as a surgeon's scalpel. It is meant for life and healing. And here comes sin and takes the scalpel of God's commandments and slashes people's throats with it. It reminds me of the line in one of Michael Card's songs – the words to Judas: "That's not what a kiss is for." The commandment – holy, just, good – was to be life to me, and it became death for me, because sin took the scalpel out of the surgeon's hand and with it slashed my throat and killed me (verse 10). That is not what a scalpel is for.

Why would God allow this? Paul answers at the end of verse 13: "so that through the commandment sin would become utterly [=exceedingly, immeasurably] sinful." It is sinful to murder; it is doubly sinful to force innocent people to help you murder. It is sinful to poison a child; it is doubly sinful to trick a mother into giving the poison to her own child. You don't boil a baby goat in its mother's milk. That is not what a mother's milk is for. It is for life, not death. It is sinful to break God's Law; it is doubly sinful to use God's Law to break God's Law.

So the bottom line so far in Romans 7 is that the reason we need to die to the Law is not because the Law is sin, but because the Law is weak and vulnerable, and we are utterly sinful. Therefore, the Law cannot be the first and decisive means of our justification or our sanctification, because "when the commandment comes" our sin rises up, comes alive, and uses the commandment to kill us, not save us.

Sin Lies
How does sin do that? Verse 11 gives the key word to explain how sin does this killing work through the commandments. "Sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me." Sin uses the commandments to deceive us. Sin is fundamentally a liar. Sin kills by deceit and superficial logic. It says things like: "You're tired. You need a good night's rest. But you are tense and can't sleep. A sleeping pill might help. The instructions hold out hope for pretty good rest if you take a pill. Wouldn't you really like one really wonderful night's sleep, a hundred times better than average? Yes? Well then, take a hundred pills." Sin is a murderer, and it murders by making promises it cannot keep.

If you are perishing under the guilt and power of sin, it is because you are being deceived. Sin is lying to you, and you are believing it. Sin is making promises to you that it cannot keep and you are trusting in these promises.

But, you say, how does sin do that with the Law? What deception does sin use when the commandment comes? Verse 11 says, "Sin, taking opportunity through the commandment deceived me." What lie – what tricky half-truth – does sin speak, when it meets the commandment of God? I think the deception of sin when it meets God's commandments can be boiled down into two basic lies. They sound almost like opposites; but they are, at the root, the same.

On the one hand, sin might say when it meets the commandments of God: "You can't keep these commandments, and you wouldn't want to if you could. And so there is no hope for you if there is a holy God, and you may as well put all that out of your head and get as much pleasure in this life as you can."

Or, on the other hand, sin might say when it meets the commandments: "You can keep these. So muster all your willpower and show yourself as good as the next guy to get ready for the judgment."

In other words, sin takes the Law in hand and kills us with one of two kinds of deception about our future. It either offers hopelessness relieved by self-indulgence, or it offers hopefulness supported by self-righteousness. One by telling you that you can't keep the commandments and so you should be hopeless. The other by telling you that you can and so you should be hopeful. They are both lies. And to believe either of them is suicide.

What Is the Remedy?
What is the remedy? Die to the Law and live to God through the crucified and risen Christ. The gospel of Jesus Christ is the remedy. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes (Romans 1:16). It is the only message in the world that gives hope to both the ungodly self-indulgent and the ungodly self-righteous.

It says to the hopeless self-indulgent, there is hope for you, because, though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, because God will forgive you for Christ's sake, if you will receive him as a treasured gift and trust him.

And the gospel says to the hopeful self-righteous, there is true hope for you, because, though your righteousness be as filthy rags, the perfect obedience of Jesus will be credited to your account, if you will receive him as a treasured gift and trust him.

So I bring you good news today, whether you are hopeless and self-indulgent or you are hopeful and self-righteous. Jesus lived and died for both kinds of sinners. Believe in him today. Trust him as God's provision for your salvation. Receive him as the treasure of your life.
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post Apr 9 2020, 01:54 PM

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[quote=gashout,Apr 9 2020, 12:13 PM]
[quote=lurkingaround @ Apr 9 2020, 11:49 AM]
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Since you refused to answer my question and stated you believed this thread is for fellowship = not just only for Christian Fellowship, I believe I can take it that you are a non-Christian. Seems, you hate anti-feminist Christians(eg who use the bitch-word in non-offensive settings) and seek to cause major division in this Christian Fellowship thread.

Are you also a strident feminist.?

I don't answer your question because you think God either belongs to Man U or Man City. And you think other clubs don't exist. And too narrow minded such a thinking of yours. And I'll stop it there.

Don't accuse me something you don't know about. God will judge you the way you judge others. Know well your verse but not practicing it?

Division? What division? Read back my post what my belief is.

Bible also says do not speak with fools. That I truly believe.

No one is putting a stumbling block on you but yourself. So blind to see what's right and wrong. Hence I'll stop it there.
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Why are refusing to answer my question whether you are a Christian or not, unless you have something to hide from us Christians here on this Christian Fellowship thread.?

We need to know your answer because non-Christians likely have a hidden agenda when they "fellowship" with us Christians here on this thread, eg the Muslim, aral3005, who recently came on this thread trying to prove to Christians here that Jesus Christ was/is not God, ie just a mere human prophet. Christians fellowshipping with aral3005 here on this thread can be charged in Malaysian court for proselytizing to a Muslim.
........ IOW, we need to know where you are coming from, especially with your hate and vulgar/filthy/offensive speech or posts above.

So far from your non-answers or elusive replies, it is quite certain you are a non-Christian.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 9 2020, 01:54 PM)
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Why are refusing to answer my question whether you are a Christian or not, unless you have something to hide from us Christians here on this Christian Fellowship thread.?

We need to know your answer because non-Christians likely have a hidden agenda when they "fellowship" with us Christians here  on this thread, eg the Muslim, aral3005, who recently came on this thread trying to prove to Christians here that Jesus Christ was/is not God, ie just a mere human prophet. Christians fellowshipping with aral3005 here on this thread can be charged in Malaysian court for proselytizing to a Muslim.
........ IOW, we need to know where you are coming from, especially with your hate and vulgar/filthy/offensive speech or posts above.

So far from your non-answers or elusive replies, it is quite certain you are a non-Christian.

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Christianity is a faith - not for everyone to hang around their lips whispering, I am a Christian.

Now tell me,

Is incest allowed?

What about Swingers?

What about rape?

All these are words invented by so called God.

You try to look smart but you look foolish - I have said the answers can be found in my past posts in what my belief is. Go find it. Answers aren't always thrown to your face.

So far I have never said Jesus isn't God, so please don't change the topic. and equate our discussion to "is Jesus God". and even if they do, I welcome them to ask, as asking and thirsting for knowledge/truth is first path to knowing God.

In conclusion, seek more and answers will come to you. And finally, don't assume all females are stupid and if they dare to ask a question, you equate them as a strident feminist.

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 9 2020, 01:23 PM)
The Deadly Team of Sin and Law

Resource by John Piper
Scripture: Romans 7:7–13  

Topic: The Power & Effects of Sin
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Good post. thumbsup.gif
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I have a simpler and shorter explanation.

In 1500 BC, God gave His Law to Moses and the Jews to curb fallen Man's inborn or in-the-heart propensity for doing wickedness or sinfulness or evilness(GEN.6:5) that was caused by their inherited Adam's Original Sin, which also resulted in spiritual death = being bound for hell when they die - GEN.2:17.
....... God regretted creating Man and wanted to destroy all of them with the Great Flood of Noah, and maybe re-create everything again.

The Law showed fallen Man how sinful and lawless they were on the inside, eg the law of "You shall not commit adultery" raised up their involuntary or unintentional inner sin-in-thoughts or sin-in-the-heart of immoral sexual lust for an attractive woman, eg King David and Bathsheba.(MATT.5:27-30) The Law proves that all Man have been born sinful with inherited Adam's Original Sin(ROMANS.5:12) and are deservedly bound for hell when they die = they need a Saviour/Christ/Messiah/Lamb of God to save them from hell through faith in Him. So, the outer voluntary or intentional keeping of the Law with their eyes and limbs would not save them from hell, eg did not intentionally commit idolatry, murder, adultery, etc, because the root problem lies with their hearts, not their eyes and limbs.

If there had been no law against adultery, most fallen Man would be "happily" swinging/wife-swapping and fornicating without feeling any guilt and condemnation of hell, like most of the world today. The Old Covenant of the Law says that only those Jews who had kept the Law were saved from hell. This was changed by the New Covenant of faith in Christ.

With being saved from hell by faith in Jesus Christ, the believers' hearts and minds would also be converted or born-again of the Holy Spirit of God - HEB.8:10 & 10:15, thus able to walk in the Spirit, produce the inner fruit of the Spirit and easily keep the Law, either fully or partially - ACTS.15:21:20-25 & 15:19-29. Hence, MATT.7:15-23 says that false prophets/pastors/teachers are shown by their bad/evil inner fruit and outer works of the flesh - GAL.5:19-21.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 9 2020 @ 01:54 PM)
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Why are refusing to answer my question whether you are a Christian or not, unless you have something to hide from us Christians here on this Christian Fellowship thread.?

We need to know your answer because non-Christians likely have a hidden agenda when they "fellowship" with us Christians here  on this thread, eg the Muslim, aral3005, who recently came on this thread trying to prove to Christians here that Jesus Christ was/is not God, ie just a mere human prophet. Christians fellowshipping with aral3005 here on this thread can be charged in Malaysian court for proselytizing to a Muslim.
........ IOW, we need to know where you are coming from, especially with your hate and vulgar/filthy/offensive speech or posts above.

So far from your non-answers or elusive replies, it is quite certain you are a non-Christian.

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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 9 2020, 02:05 PM)
Christianity is a faith - not for everyone to hang around their lips whispering, I am a Christian.

Now tell me,

Is incest allowed?

What about Swingers?

What about rape?

All these are words invented by so called God.

You try to look smart but you look foolish - I have said the answers can be found in my past posts in what my belief is. Go find it. Answers aren't always thrown to your face.

So far I have never said Jesus isn't God, so please don't change the topic. and equate our discussion to "is Jesus God". and even if they do, I welcome them to ask, as asking and thirsting for knowledge/truth is first path to knowing God.

In conclusion, seek more and answers will come to you. And finally, don't assume all females are stupid and if they dare to ask a question, you equate them as a strident feminist.
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(quote=AmIRight? @ Jan 17 2020, 06:49 PM)
semoga Allah berikan awak hidayah dan kembali ke jalan yang benar(/quote)
QUOTE(gashout @ Jan 17 2020 @ 08:55 PM)
Jalan yang benar tak pernah memaksa orang.

Tuhan semenjak dahulu yang bagi adalah PILIHAN. dan dalam pilihan, kita perlu bgertanggungjawab atasnya.

Amin.


(quote=jalsrix @ Jan 20 2020, 07:05 PM)
If you are a Muslim from birth and a Malay, it is impossible in Malaysia because the law prohibits it.

Because definition of Malay = Muslim. (/quote)
QUOTE(gashout @ Jan 20 2020 @ 09:36 PM)
Very sad case.

When Quran says clear.

There's no compulsion in religion - Verse 256 of Al-Baqara 
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4893153 - post #12 #3 #5 etc.

(quote=palankon @ Feb 4 2020, 07:12 AM)
sekarang ni siapa yang tak give a fuck? aku rasa sajat yang tak give fuck tapi orang macam kau yang give a fuck. kau ada add instagram dia ke? (/quote)
QUOTE(gashout @ Feb 4 2020 @ 07:35 AM)
Betul.

Rakyat Malaysia suka membawang. Add Instagram dia kemudian butt hurt. Membawang dalam ajaran Islam ke?

Tak suka, janganlah tengok. Macam makanan babi dan arak sama saja. Kenapa suka mudah butt hurt? Dia macam babi. Tak suka jgnlah tengok. Tapi segenlintir orang suka mejerit untuk Islam, tatkala sebenarnya hati hamsap mahu tahu mcm mana organ badan Sajat. Lebih ingin menyentuhnya. Janganlah buat bodoh sekarang.

Korupsi negara tak peduli. Diskriminasi di Malaysia tak peduli. Tiba Tiba Nak jadi penegak Islam.

Nak salahkan seseorang, suruhlah Mekkah update system mereka yang mengakibatkan hal ni berlaku.
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4900779/+40 - > As muslim are you angry with Sajat action ?, For muslim forumer discussion only . - post #58

Please explain your past "Islamic" posts.

Are you now an ex-Muslim.? Which denomination of the Christian Church do you adhere to.? Eg I'm Baptist, unknown warrior is Charismatic and yeeck is Roman Catholic.
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PS - How come you did not berate palankon for saying the offensive/vulgar/filtyh fuck-word.? To you, do Muslims have a pass or license to speak/post such words.? Do you have double-standards against certain Christians.?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 9 2020, 03:41 PM)
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(quote=AmIRight? @ Jan 17 2020, 06:49 PM)
semoga Allah berikan awak hidayah dan kembali ke jalan yang benar(/quote)

(quote=jalsrix @ Jan 20 2020, 07:05 PM)
If you are a Muslim from birth and a Malay, it is impossible in Malaysia because the law prohibits it.

Because definition of Malay = Muslim. (/quote)  https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4893153 - post #12 #3 #5 etc.

(quote=palankon @ Feb 4 2020, 07:12 AM)
sekarang ni siapa yang tak give a fuck? aku rasa sajat yang tak give fuck tapi orang macam kau yang give a fuck. kau ada add instagram dia ke? (/quote)  https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4900779/+40 - > As muslim are you angry with Sajat action ?, For muslim forumer discussion only .  - post #58

Please explain your past  "Islamic" posts.

Are you now an ex-Muslim.? Which denomination of the Christian Church do you adhere to.? Eg I'm Baptist, unknown warrior is Charismatic and yeeck is Roman Catholic.
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Those quotes of gashout that you quoted didn't seem like she's defending Islam though. Just because it's in Malay and quoted the Quran, it doesn't prove that she's Muslim. Even I can quote from the Quran since there are lots of online resources available.

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