But seek ye first the kingdom of God,
and (seek ye) his righteousness; (δικαιοσυνην)
and all these things shall be added unto you.

friend,

i appreciate your posts here because it really challenges our faith and the ability to think and defend our faith to unbelievers.

sometimes, because we ourselves understand our scripture from a wholistic point of view, i.e. we kinda of know where relate to what but we cannot quite recall the scripture reference, we take our understanding for granted

as far as your postings here are concerned, i can divide them them into the following.

a) God cannot be three in one.

Why not?
Let me use a natural example.
Please explain to me the nature of light.

impossible right? because we still do not know everything about it. how can it be wave yet particle yet radiation?
what exactly is it's color? how can there be light we cannot see but we can feel?

If we cannot fully comprehend what we can already physically detect, how then can we expect to fully understand the nature of God whom we cannot even physically detect with our instruments?

or is the god you believe in simplistic enough to be comprehended by your human mind?

b) Jesus cannot be divine

the entire focus of the Christian faith is centred on the love that God has for us, to the point He was willing to manifest Himself in a human body to pay the price for the sin of all mankind.

this is a necessary action on the part of God, because the entirety of mankind has been contaminated and no way we can pray our way to forgiveness on our own.

scripture is full of references to the divine position of Christ.

to pass such a judgment on something we do not understand is foolishness.

c) Bible is not consistent therefore not reliable.

in terms of consistency please refer to post no 782.

judge for your self which set of scripture is more consistent.

yet, why do you believe in your set of scripture?

can you justify that?

True. prophetjul sounds like those Koran burning pastors in the USA. As if that will bring Muslims to the truth.

Not sure what you are trying to show here. Are you saying the Law refers only to the Big 10 given to Moses on Mt Sinai? Even before that, Adam & Eve were banished for disobeying God, Sodom & Gomorrah were obliterated for immorality.

Feed the young believer or even the old believer of what Christ have done for them, they will progress. Keep the believer's eye on what Jesus have done for them, they will progress.

You want to know how Jesus diagnose A believer, whether He/She will Love God? Then behold: Consider this truth. A Believer (young or old) who understands that He/She is forgiven much will love the Lord much.

Luke 7:47-48 - Therefore I tell you, because her many sins have been forgiven, she has loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.” Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”…

GRACE is the higher Truth, it sets people free. Law is very basic..very elementary, it cannot save, it cannot give life..only death.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 4 2020, 01:51 PM

For that case, what I know is the field is within the compound of the seminary where they are staying. This actually sets a bad legal precedent that allows police to enter a private compound to arrest folks if they are within their own compound. Similarly what if a big family stays within a big compound and they have nasty neighbours snapping photos of them playing in their pool or garden during the MCO?

If you don't understand what I'm trying to say, then it's ok.

The way I think why things are being repeated non stop is because of English comprehension skill. The person miscomprehend what I said.

It's no more about doctrine really.

haih.

Not refering to you because you didn't follow what was discussed (above) at the beginning. Refering to lurkingaround.

I think maybe he want to cekik you then only satisfy.

Wow, english professor is needed to fully understand bible


Damn. That is something really interesting to see here


English comprehensiom skill? Oh that is lame

What is a born again Roman Catholic, may I ask?

Someone whom God himself has given His Holy Spirit so that good works will be done which is all for God's glory.

19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

There are people in here who talks so much about the Law but never practise it on himself, only talk pandai.

Collosians 3:8 (NIV) - 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.


Filthy Language from your lips.

For your own goodness sake, stop using vulgar words like the F word. Buat malu aje. Only know how to argue and only interested in arguing but never practise to even submit obeying the Bible.

Well, that's because you think that just because we Catholics kiss an icon/statue we are adoring/honouring the statue/icon itself. The Jehovah's Witnesses sect goes even further by saying that we cannot salute our national flag or take part in national service because to them they think that is worshipping the country. Actually they are right to a certain extent. They are right in that it is a form of worship, but they like most Protestants forget that here are different degrees of worship/honour. Only God deserves the supreme honour/worship which in Catholicism we have and call it the Holy Sacrifice, the Easterns call it the Divine Liturgy or Holy Qurbana (from the Arabic word for sacrifice). I have mentioned this in the past and won't repeat it here for the sake of brevity.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Apr 4 2020, 03:40 PM

Guilty as charged.

However what I have learnt is that different groups requires different styles of communication. For those who listens, the softest of words will command their immediate attention. However there are some, you literally have to use such words and finally there are some where the Ignore function can only be use to keep one's sanity. 😂😂😂😂😂

And how do you know that for sure? It sounds rather presumptuous, no? Furthermore, what you wrote is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.

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The verse referred to the 1st Coming of Jesus Christ to earth in 30 AD when He, as God-in-the-flesh, had the discretionary power or authority to even forgive repentant sinners who had committed intentional or willful sins/law-breaking by performing miraculous healings, exorcisms, raising the dead, etc for them. This is similar to the Agong having the power to pardon repentant/reformed prisoners, eg commute the death sentence. But at LUKE.23:43, the Jewish robber who was crucified next to Jesus, still had to die young for his intentional sin of robbery, even though he was eventually saved from hell by faith in Jesus Christ.
....... Certainly, those more dastardly sinners who repented would be more grateful and loving to the Person, Jesus Christ, for forgiving their intentional sins and releasing them from their consequential sufferings. But this is not the norm today.

Today, with Jesus Christ not physically present on earth, there is likely no more such miraculous forgiveness of intentional sins happening, ie no more miraculous healings, exorcisms, raising of the dead, water turn to wine, etc. IOW, God just let His Law run its natural course of 'we reap what we sow' or 'karma is a bitch' or padan muka.

So, let's not take rare examples as the norm, eg foolish folks misbelieve they can go and commit the most dastardly intentional sins/law-breaking so that they can love Him more for forgiving their sins and releasing them from their sufferings through miraculous healings, exorcisms, etc - but instead they die soon of terminal cancer for their dastard sins and may have lost faith = lost salvation.

Best for us to stick to normal everyday applicable Scripture about loving God. .......

JOHN.14: (NKJV) = 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. ...

21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
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1JOHN.2: = The Test of Knowing Him

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
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1JOHN.4: & 5: = Obedience by Faith

4:20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.

5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Good day.

This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Apr 4 2020, 03:50 PM

Friend I think you are arguing without understanding. I can tell you have very little faith in Christ power. You have more confidence in the deeds of Man over God when it comes to Salvation by the way you answer above. What has happen to you? You experience very little with the Lord? You only know in concept and theology but lacks the divine touch from the Lord?

Sorry but you are wrong!

You are implying Jesus during his earthly ministry is different from the Jesus who is in Heaven? He's very forgiving while on his earthly ministry but not so forgiving in heaven? You are implying God no longer dispenses his Grace today? No more miracles?

That is not true.

Jesus is the same Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow.


1 John 2 (NIV) - My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

Romans 12:6 (NIV) - We have different gifts according to the grace given us....

1 Corinthians 12:7-11 (NIV) - Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, a and to still another the interpretation of tongues. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.


The New Testament commandments have been revealed by the apostles. Bible intepret Bible.


1 John 3:23 (NIV) - And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

John 13:34 (NIV) - A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another.

John 15:12 (NIV) - This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.


Believe in Jesus Christ, Love one another.

The New Testament obediance is on the obediance of Faith.

Romans 1:5 (YLT) - through whom we did receive grace and apostleship, for obedience of faith among all the nations, in behalf of his name;



In Summary: If you feed the right truth of what Christ has done for the believer, he/she will grow in the Lord.


John 1:17 (NIV) - For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:56 (NIV) - The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
Romans 7:8 (NIV) - But sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from the Law, sin is dead.

God call the 10 commandment = The Ministry of DEATH <---why you want to embrace "death"?

2 Corinthians 3:7 (NIV) - Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

The Law trigger Sin

Romans 5:20 (NIV) - The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

no.. not you, talking about post #1029.

That Desmond fella pandai aje talk but hardly practise much.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 4 2020, 04:34 PM

Well if it was not for the Spirit of God I certainly wont be able to cast out demon. O, please go ahead and enligthen an uneducated like me on the teaching from the Catholic Church regarding born again. In simple words please. 😊

Well I am very sure because I was blind but now I see. Thanks be to God.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Apr 4 2020, 05:09 PM