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post Feb 28 2020, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Feb 28 2020, 01:03 AM)
I’ve already gotten in touch with Ms Yen Lee smile.gif Thanks
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post Feb 29 2020, 12:31 PM

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Guys, what are your thoughts on using High Density Fibreboard (HDF) for wardrobe and cabinets ? Inputs please
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post Feb 29 2020, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Feb 29 2020, 12:31 PM)
Guys, what are your thoughts on using High Density Fibreboard (HDF) for wardrobe and cabinets ? Inputs please
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It all depends on you. I thought you were considering solid wood?? I would say in terms of resistance to moisture it would be solid wood, plywood, HDF, MDF and melamine in decreasing order. Price wise is obviously the other way.

Not many people go for solid wood because of price and harder to to make. Also it may crack as it is natural wood. Man made materials are far more consistent and even and easier to paint. If u can afford get the solid wood or ply wood. Although most people make do with melamine
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post Feb 29 2020, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Feb 29 2020, 12:54 PM)
It all depends on you. I thought you were considering solid wood?? I would say in terms of resistance to moisture it would be solid wood, plywood, HDF, MDF and melamine in decreasing order. Price wise is obviously the other way.

Not many people go for solid wood because of price and harder to to make. Also it may crack as it is natural wood. Man made materials are far more consistent and even and easier to paint. If u can afford get the solid wood or ply wood. Although most people make do with melamine
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I was thinking of solid wood for my dry kitchen smile.gif as for wet kitchen, maybe HDF.. Apologies I’m just a bit nervous as my ID dropped out and I have a lot of cabinets to do 🤯

I think I’ll go with solid wood for my dry kitchen, then HDF for wet kitchen and wardrobes. Was quoted 200+k for the whole house 😣

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post Mar 1 2020, 04:50 AM

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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Feb 29 2020, 11:07 PM)
I was thinking of solid wood for my dry kitchen smile.gif as for wet kitchen, maybe HDF.. Apologies I’m just a bit nervous as my ID dropped out and I have a lot of cabinets to do 🤯

I think I’ll go with solid wood for my dry kitchen, then HDF for wet kitchen and wardrobes. Was quoted 200+k for the whole house 😣
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Personally If I were you I would go solid wood for wet kitchen and HDF or plywood for dry. Wardrobes can be anything as long as good design because they are not close to water or moisture. But that's me.

In reality, HDF or plywood is probably good enough. You can save the money and spend on others. People that usually spend on solid wood are those that have huge budget where they don’t have to worry about trade off. If u can afford solid wood is the best.

Most of us mortals have to decide if the money should go to solid wood or better sinks, taps, lights, appliances etc. I was in that situation to decide if I want to demolish an entirely new melamine kitchen cabinet and build new ones. I decided to use it but changes most things (including to Silestone) except the carcass. I use the savings for others.

Renovation is expensive. If u were quoted 200k+ be prepared to spend 260k+


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post Mar 1 2020, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Mar 1 2020, 04:50 AM)
Personally If I were you I would go solid wood for wet kitchen and HDF or plywood for dry. Wardrobes can be anything as long as good design because they are not close to water or moisture. But that's me.

In reality, HDF or plywood is probably good enough. You can save the money and spend on others. People that usually spend on solid wood are those that have huge budget where they don’t have to worry about trade off. If u can afford solid wood is the best.

Most of us mortals have to decide if the money should go to solid wood or better sinks, taps, lights, appliances etc. I was in that situation to decide if I want to demolish an entirely new melamine kitchen cabinet and build new ones. I decided to use it but changes most things (including to Silestone) except the carcass. I use the savings for others.

Renovation is expensive. If u were quoted 200k+ be prepared to spend 260k+
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Thank you for your input. Yes, renovation is indeed expensive! 200k for cabinetry alone and this is not inclusive of the Blums 😏

Initially I was thinking of going for solid wood for dry kitchen, master wardrobe, and bathroom cabinets and HDF for wet kitchen and the rest of house. Now I may need to rethink it.

Let me know if you know of any solid wood carpenter. I’ve seen quite a few but I’m not convinced with neither. Thanks again for your input I really appreciate it.

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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Mar 1 2020, 11:11 AM)
Thank you for your input. Yes, renovation is indeed expensive! 200k for cabinetry alone and this is not inclusive of the Blums 😏

Initially I was thinking of going for solid wood for dry kitchen, master wardrobe, and bathroom cabinets and HDF for wet kitchen and the rest of house. Now I may need to rethink it.

Let me know if you know of any solid wood carpenter. I’ve seen quite a few but I’m not convinced with neither. Thanks again for your input I really appreciate it.
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I was looking for a good carpenter to do my library, study and staircase shelves. Solid wood carpenters are a dying breed. The materials are expensive. One mistake the margin is gone. The smart ones open Signature Kitchen or Unity or independent plywood/melamine carpenters. This is where the money is.

The ones I dealt with are small carpenters. The price was reasonable but I really can't stand their poor response, "tidak apa" attitude. Delivery is always questionable.

There is one where I went to his shop far from my house. Agreed on the work. Wanted to bank in half as deposit. Asking for design and start work. Called and WhatsApp and never responded. These are the people you usually deal with.

May be with your 200k budget u can get better attention as money talks. To be honest 200k for cabinetry is very high-end. I spent 200k to fix my entire new house! But then I sourced everything myself and contractors do the work
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post Mar 1 2020, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Mar 1 2020, 11:25 AM)
I was looking for a good carpenter to do my library, study and staircase shelves. Solid wood carpenters are a dying breed. The materials are expensive. One mistake the margin is gone. The smart ones open Signature Kitchen or Unity or independent plywood/melamine carpenters. This is where the money is.

The ones I dealt with are small carpenters. The price was reasonable but I really can't stand their poor response, "tidak apa" attitude. Delivery is always questionable.

There is one where I went to his shop far from my house. Agreed on the work. Wanted to bank in half as deposit. Asking for design and start work. Called and WhatsApp and never responded. These are the people you usually deal with.

May be with your 200k budget u can get better attention as money talks. To be honest 200k for cabinetry is very high-end. I spent 200k to fix my entire new house! But then I sourced everything myself and contractors do the work
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You are spot on when it comes small time solid wood carpenters ! Their service is despicable to say the least. Even with 200k budget (and they know it!).

I’ve travelled far to visit their “showroom” as most of them are in Semenyih, Kajang area. Slow to no response, zero interest in assisting and answering my queries and the list goes on. I just don’t understand. So frustrating 😡

My house is currently under renovation and it’s quite a major one (600k for renovation). I’ve so far purchased sanitary (Kohler WC & sink, Hansgrohe shower system and faucets) and tiles (Feruni). There will be a lot more expenses moving forward 😒

I hope I’ll be able to find a decent carpenter..

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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Mar 1 2020, 12:01 PM)
You are spot on when it comes small time solid wood carpenters ! Their service is despicable to say the least. Even with 200k budget (and they know it!).

I’ve travelled far to visit their “showroom” as most of them are in Semenyih, Kajang area. Slow to no response, zero interest in assisting and answering my queries and the list goes on. I just don’t understand. So frustrating 😡

My house is currently under renovation now and it’s quite a major one (600k for renovation). I’ve so far purchased sanitary (Kohler WC & sink, Hansgrohe shower system and faucets) and tiles (Feruni). There will be a lot more expenses moving forward 😒

I hope I’ll be able to find a decent carpenter..
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Good luck and let me know if you find a good one. I am still looking but now considering plywood.

You are playing in a different league. Only thing I can say is Feruni is only ok. I prefer MML or Niro. Should go with marble 800x800mm for living
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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Mar 1 2020, 12:07 PM)
Good luck and let me know if you find a good one. I am still looking but now considering plywood.

You are playing in a different league. Only thing I can say is Feruni is only ok. I prefer MML or Niro. Should go with marble 800x800mm for living
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Thank you ! I’ll definitely let you know if and when I find a good one smile.gif
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QUOTE(m.syafiq.rahim @ Oct 10 2019, 08:05 PM)
Just sharing my completed KC to fellow forumers.. 😁

- Material : Kabinet Fomica / Quartz top
(Existing tiles top)
- Price : <15k (exclude electrical appliances)

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Aw so nice bro!

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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Mar 1 2020, 11:11 AM)
Thank you for your input. Yes, renovation is indeed expensive! 200k for cabinetry alone and this is not inclusive of the Blums 😏

Initially I was thinking of going for solid wood for dry kitchen, master wardrobe, and bathroom cabinets and HDF for wet kitchen and the rest of house. Now I may need to rethink it.

Let me know if you know of any solid wood carpenter. I’ve seen quite a few but I’m not convinced with neither. Thanks again for your input I really appreciate it.
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I think u got it the other way round, u should use the best wood (solid wood) in your wet kitchen, unless u do a lot of washing w/ sink in your dry kitchen...

As for HDF, i think most ppl will recommend plywood instead of HDF... HDF is just a better version of MDF.... sawdust or wood particle compressed with resin.... I think similar to laminated flooring.


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A carpenter promised me that he uses Nyatoh wood, but how do I identify it's real? I went to the factory, it's definitely not fibreboard, but not a solid 1 piece also, maybe a few thin wood glue together, something like that. Is he bs or real? Certain part like the KC doors are pretty good solid wood tho .

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post Mar 3 2020, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Mar 2 2020, 12:58 PM)
I think u got it the other way round, u should use the best wood (solid wood) in your wet kitchen, unless u do a lot of washing w/ sink in your dry kitchen...

As for HDF, i think most ppl will recommend plywood instead of HDF... HDF is just a better version of MDF.... sawdust or wood particle compressed with resin....  I think similar to laminated flooring.
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Thanks for your input. I was considering solid wood for dry kitchen for aesthetic purposes, as I am interested in the classic english style.

I'm aware that the classic english style is achievable using plywood/HDF. Do you know what would be the difference between solid wood and plywood/HDF in terms on aesthetic? In other words, would it look the same?

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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Mar 3 2020, 01:03 PM)
Thanks for your input. I was considering solid wood for dry kitchen for aesthetic purposes, as I am interested in the classic english style.

I'm aware that the classic english style is achievable using plywood/HDF. Do you know what would be the difference between solid wood and plywood/HDF in terms on aesthetic? In other words, would it look the same?

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Depends on what "color" you want for your kitchen...
If you want wooden colors, from far , solid wood vs plywood probably look the same... but from near definitely plywood with laminated skin could not hold a candle to a real wood texture, color and feel....

However if, you are going to paint a solid color over the wood, then plywood/hdf with laminate looks so much better, the surface is flawless, etc..etc...
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Mar 3 2020, 03:29 PM)
Depends on what "color" you want for your kitchen...
If you want wooden colors, from far , solid wood vs plywood probably look the same... but from near definitely plywood with laminated skin could not hold a candle to a real wood texture, color and feel....

However if, you are going to paint a solid color over the wood, then plywood/hdf with laminate looks so much better, the surface is flawless, etc..etc...
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Thanks! you've been of great help. I'm planning to have a white kitchen smile.gif I was thinking to spray paint the cabinet but some carpenters told me that it is better to stain it. What do you think?
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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Mar 3 2020, 04:24 PM)
Thanks! you've been of great help.  I'm planning to have a white kitchen smile.gif I was thinking to spray paint the cabinet but some carpenters told me that it is better to stain it. What do you think?
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Sorry, i have no experience with painting with solid wood... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Mar 3 2020, 01:03 PM)
Thanks for your input. I was considering solid wood for dry kitchen for aesthetic purposes, as I am interested in the classic english style.

I'm aware that the classic english style is achievable using plywood/HDF. Do you know what would be the difference between solid wood and plywood/HDF in terms on aesthetic? In other words, would it look the same?

TIA!!
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Well if you want to maintain wood grain, you might need to bleach the wood first ( most tropical woods), like color woods like ash and maybe some spruce will be able to stain white and maintain grains. and they are made by solid woods. as for plywood they only use it for the middle core panel and it must be flat design else the edge will shows.

Pure solid wood doors usually panel jointed, will have chances to crack if your doors are not conditioned in your kitchen for 1-3 months or your kitchen have a high variation of humidity. They are some techniques to seal it properly or stabilize it.

MDF/HDF (seldom people use HDF as core due to the weight) will provide a smooth surface, plywood will have an uneven surface due to veneers and grain pattern.

as for most white solid color doors, people will use MDF with 1 coat of prime and 2-3 coats of paints water or oil base personally i prefer waterbased paint due to the smells which might take 1week to few months to clear is all depends on your house airflow.

in Europe, people use MDF as core and PVC films using a vacuum to laminate the doors panel, which is similar to those door panels from IKEA the edge is smooth not like those pvc edge banding.


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Hi guys.. still don't understand, is it possible to laminate + Nyatoh?

I thought all laminate = mdf/hdf kind of wood
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Hi fellow formers,,
Newbie here. Has anyone used Goldenhome kitchen and if so, mind sharing your experience?
Expecting VP in a couple of months on a 2br, 2ba condo; start research.
Thanks

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