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blancpain4470
post Nov 9 2019, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 9 2019, 04:59 PM)
Hi sifu...any comments for Unity Kitchen finishing?
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I didn’t use them but did get a quotation from them on cabinet work. To me they are ok from quality standpoint but price is on the high side compared to others unless you are competing with Signature Kitchen.


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post Nov 9 2019, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 9 2019, 07:12 PM)
Do you have any recommendation?
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You should read this thread to get some names. My old house used Signature kitchen. It was nice but expensive. For my new house I am using a subcontractor that is cheaper but the work is currently in progress and I can't tell definitely on the quality but I am using Blum hinges and Silestone countertop.

You can check out Legend Kitchen, Welco, Alloy, etc to get free quote and compare with with Unity or even Signature kitchen. In the end you should think more on the materials used and less on the brand of the cabinet company
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post Nov 10 2019, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(VanillaScoop @ Nov 10 2019, 10:39 AM)
Has anyone used aluminium powder coated for their KC carcass before? If limited budget were a factor, is it a better option than Melamine?
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You must be joking right? Melamine is the cheapest solution and people going for melamine because of limited budget
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post Nov 12 2019, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Nov 12 2019, 10:47 AM)
That’s expensive sweat.gif

My budget is only 30k for whole carpentry works including wardrobe & shoe rack. Hopefully i don’t have to top up much for nyatoh door. Otherwise i have to forgo my “shaker style” kitchen cabinet. cry.gif
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Depending on how big your cabinets, wardrobe and shoe rack. A nyatoh shoe rack is already closed to 3k for me. If you have a double storey house this is definitely not enough even for nyatoh doors.

Don't forget good hinges and trays and others cost money too. Countertop can varies greatly. To be honest I rather spend my money on those than having melamine carcass and nyatoh doors
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QUOTE(jadejacob @ Nov 12 2019, 05:02 PM)
I am planning for a small kitchen renovation.How can I improve my small kitchen? please give some suggestion! :confused:
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This is too general to provide any useful comments. First need to set your budget. A 2k budget vs 20k vs 200k budget are different. You may think 200k is ridiculous but my last kitchen extension was 100k and it wasn't even everything state of the art!

Then you have to decide what is your main activities in your kitchen. After which you know how big and what design your kitchen should be. For example how often you cook; do you plan to have drinking water there? Do you bake? Etc etc

Go to pinterest and get different ideas. Is your kitchen open or segregated? Dry and wet combined? What look ... Country, contemporary or what? Functional vs look?




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post Nov 12 2019, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Nov 12 2019, 06:39 PM)
Not everything nyatoh. Kitchen cabinet only. The rest i can live with melamine.

From my rough calculation should be around 21ft of base and 10ft of top. And 6ft of tall unit for side by side fridge, convection and microwave oven. I would settle for quartz counter top but i do want good hinges and other mechanism.

And 22ft of wardrobe (over 4 room of course sweat.gif)

Possible?
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Lol. It will be challenging. My shoe rack and simple built in nyatoh work table (9' long) already almost 9k.

Your kitchen Nyatoh cabinet carcass will be the most costly if your shelves are the same. Perhaps you can only do carcass and doors but that will still be expensive!

Shoe rack can be cheap if you buy online ... Some can be only a few hundred bucks but most are ugly. Need to look hard. Your wardrobe if custom built also not going to cheap even melamine. A few thousand here and a few thousand there your 30k is gone.

No harm you ask the cabinet guy to quote both melamine and nyatoh. My suspicion is that may be possible only nyatoh door or carcass but not both for your budget.
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post Nov 13 2019, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(christ14 @ Nov 13 2019, 06:40 AM)
After reading, seems like a small kitchen reno requires a whole lot of money and thought process
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Nothing in renovation is simple. If you go cheap then less thought can be put in as less regret later!

But if you want one that support your lifestyle and activities then you need to think hard what do you want. For my current renovation I listed down every area and every rooms requirements. Design based on those requirements.

Color of the paint, countertop material, smart switches and color of the switches, led size shape lumen, normal socket vs eubiq, total power for each area, curtain vs blind and type, water filter indoor and outdoor, garbage disposal, granite vs stainless steel sinks, taps, etc etc

If you don't want to have regrets better plan down to last details. FYI the arrangement and layout of my switches I won't let my electrician simply install 🤣
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post Nov 14 2019, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(joseph1688 @ Nov 14 2019, 08:30 PM)
How to examine the grade of quartz and hinge?
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China quartz can be cheap RM100+ per ft run. Silestone can range from 350-900 per ft run. There are even more expensive ones around. Blum hinges are expensive. Some can cost 700 per set. But they last forever. My current kitchen are full Blum and Silestone and those are the killers. There are cheaper alternatives but you should get your supplier list all the components used.
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post Nov 15 2019, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 14 2019, 11:12 PM)
The hinges are haffle, but the quartz... I duno how to see whether its silestone or china brand. Mind to share me how to see?
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You meant Hefele? Then it is ok. Not bad not Blum but good.
Counter top you just have to ask the supplier. Some Silestone has logo but mine doesn't but they are genuine. The difference between good and not so good quartz is the bonding resin used. Silestone is more than 90% quartz and has anti bacterial material added. So it is safe to prepare food directly on top if you so desired and also tough like hell. But you really can't tell easily until you use it.

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post Nov 15 2019, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 15 2019, 12:07 PM)
Ok. I will ask the supplier. Thank you so much! Learned a lot from you.
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NP. Just ask your supplier what's the brand of the quartz. Generally if they don't tell you then it is general china made one. Those I doubt they have specs provided.

The higher the % of quartz the harder the counter top but like I said the bonding resin is quite important. Mine I can put hot pot on top and still no problem. You don't want to risk those china made quartz with unknown specs. That said if you use it carefully even china quartz will last you a long time. Just don't select those white ones because cheaper brands white color can be easier to stain ... even for quartz due to poor bonding resin
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post Nov 15 2019, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(joseph1688 @ Nov 15 2019, 01:17 PM)
Do u thk black color is better than white? I also have dilemma choosing black or white.
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If you want less visible stain and easier care always go with grey or black especially wet kitchen. White may be ok for dry kitchen but even my Silestone has very minor blemish after 10 years.

It is a matter matching or contrasting with your cabinet and sinks. Those black with galaxy look (see second photo) actually not half bad. Of course a clean white color always impressive provided they don't turn yellow 🤣

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post Nov 15 2019, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 15 2019, 01:48 PM)
I asked my supplier. He said its a China premium brand. LOL
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Tell me which self respected manufacturers will say their products are non premium. It is premium of he can tell you his quartz content is >90%. And the type of bonding resin/glue used. That said even 75% quartz content is decent enough but you need to exercise care when use.

It is still harder and easier to maintain than marble and some natural stones, solid surfaces or woods.
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post Nov 15 2019, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 15 2019, 04:10 PM)
I know its not premium la. But what to do? Very difficult to find good quality stuffs with reasonable price nowadays.
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China quartz can still be nice. Just have to choose the right one to compliment your cabinet.
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post Nov 16 2019, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(doxb @ Nov 16 2019, 02:45 PM)
Yes! All made in China! And they have spectrum.... bad to premium quality... also depend on how you used it! Just like proton and BMW. How long do you plan to keep ur kitchen. ? 5 year ? 10 years? Or moving to bigger place in 3 years time? Renting it out?
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If you were renting it out even melamine is ok. Tiles are cheaper too. We are talking about own stay. Not all are made in China. Granted some in China are good too but Silestones are from Spain; Ceasarstones are from Israel/USA. Just like some cars are not made in China but in Germany 🤣
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QUOTE(Jszeon @ Nov 16 2019, 03:31 PM)
I get a quotation from legend kitchen today. Suprisingly the price is higher than unity kitchen. They are given blum as accessories. But the other is the same which is quartz stone, melamine.
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I have not dealt with Legend before so I guess it is possible although Unity is already not cheap. Blum are not cheap. If full Blum that may costly. My two Blum Aventos lift up hinges already RM780! Do you have add in trays etc?

Not all china quartz are similar either. Doors materials and finish? If they provide itemized breakdown you can compare. If lumsum then a bit difficult.
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post Nov 16 2019, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Nov 16 2019, 04:13 PM)
This is quite true. My mom was surprised when i told her that i budgeted around 40k for kitchen cabinet that might not be full solid wood. She told me when my dad installed kitchen cabinet in our house in kampung back in 1992, it only cost them less than 10k for nyatoh door + concrete top.
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1992! Of course lah I also much more handsome then! 🤣
You can't compare. A 10k value of money in 1992 is much more than today. Your kampung house also use concrete top which is much cheaper. It is functional but ... 🤔
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Nov 16 2019, 04:44 PM)
Until today still a lot of people using concrete top because they don’t mind the look. And concrete is really durable.

Yeah i know it’s 1992. But cabinet price has gone 4 fold when salary isn’t increasing as much. I remember debating with my mom about buying house few years back. Back in 1978 they bought a house at 45k in shah alam with household income of RM1800. But now what can you get for 450k in Shah Alam? And my household income isn’t even 18k sweat.gif
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Concrete will last long after you perish! That said the good option nowadays is using 2x2 tiles as countertop with concrete structure. Some of these tiles are nice enough.

KV houses are becoming unaffordable. My one legacy to my kids are they will have a nice home and not to worry about buying a house immediately. They can drive proton if they are not capable! 🤣
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post Jan 23 2020, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(flabbergasted @ Jan 23 2020, 12:55 AM)
appreciate it if u could do your videos in english. seems like you're very knowledgeable, i could learn so much if i could understand you lol. or perhaps just put some english subs?
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This is very basic information that if u more diligent you can easily find elsewhere. It covers solid surface and quartz stone. Btw the information about Spanish quartz stone content is incorrect anyway
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post Feb 4 2020, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Snoy @ Feb 4 2020, 10:20 AM)
Yesterday, I approached a Kitchen cabinet company for quotation.
Cabinet price is attractive but the extra cost sounds exorbitant.

For sink installation:
* Cut a hole for Quartz: RM300
* Polish hole edge for undermount sink: RM550
* Plumbing for sink drain: RM300
Total: RM1150 merely for one sink installation. Double that if you have two.

Is this normal for all vendors?
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Cut a hole is usually 200. My contractor didn't even charge me as I bought Silestone from him. He did charge 200 for hob and 200 for dry kitchen sink. It is nonsense to need 550 to polish the edge. Even adding support won't cost that much. Plumbing can be cheaper unless yours are complicated. My wet and dry kitchen plumbing with garbage disposal was 500. But my wet kitchen Grohe was a bit complicated.

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QUOTE(Snoy @ Feb 4 2020, 02:27 PM)
When did you engage the work?
I'm not sure if mine is new price for 2020.

My plumbing setup is simple, merely to connect hose to drain.
No way for RM300.
I will do it myself.

I may still go with them because their cabinet price is really competitive for the materials.
And it's a reputable brand even in this thread...
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U should see my other thread on my renovation. I moved in Jan 16. What does 2020 got to do with price?

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