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GrumpyNooby
post Feb 16 2021, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 16 2021, 10:43 AM)
Question: Do you people invest monthly, quarterly or other frequency?
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How about DCA weekly?
Seems like there's more beauty in it.
prophetjul
post Feb 16 2021, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Feb 16 2021, 10:45 AM)
How about DCA weekly?
Seems like there's more beauty in it.
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i am going to withdraw some from EPF for SA. Should i do weekly like a UT? biggrin.gif Dollar cost averaging strategy?
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post Feb 16 2021, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 16 2021, 10:48 AM)
i am going to withdraw some from EPF for SA. Should i do weekly like a UT?  biggrin.gif  Dollar cost averaging strategy?
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Here got several posts highlighting the weekly DCA has a lot of advantages.
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post Feb 16 2021, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Feb 16 2021, 10:09 AM)
Usually they put you max 22% due to several factors from your assessment answers, including but not limited to:

1) low monthly income
2) high liabilities/debt-service-ratio
3) job is deemed high risk/unstable/low to no income (like student or an entry level job like clerk/waitstaff or gig work)
4) no prior investment experience
5) low to zero savings
6) age (if you're older they might not give high risk initially even if you list yourself as aggressive because your age means not many years left to retirement where you can weather volatility)

basically its SA's way of protecting you and your finances. A human financial advisor would similarly tell you to take lower risk if you fall into too many of the above criteria, because it's not wise to invest if you're deep in debt with little income etc.

Don't feel bad about limited to 22%, in fact 22% risk portfolio is not bad performance at all, if you look in their performance since inception the annualised return is same to 36% because of some crashes in equities a few times in the last few years.

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36% portfolio is for us who can afford to stomach the volatile and are willing to risk the losses to get (maybe) high returns tongue.gif it's not guaranteed that returns will be higher than 22%, nor is it necessary for good gains

as above have said, you can watch the videos on Personal Finance basics and Investing basics to educate yourself, then contact StashAway customer service via their WhatsApp to help unlock 36%

But don't be super WAHHH AMAZING about other LYN members' gains. SA's algorithm recommending low risk for you is not without reason.
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Another thing with those return graphs is that the annualised performance for 26 and 36% is much shorter Time period (2019) vs the 22% which is actually from 2017 or 2018. Due to this they are not apple to apple. What I can say is I'm charting roughly 24% xirr on both 36 (since March 2019) and 26 (since early 2020) with my own cash flows, but these are based on mixture of dca, and buy the dips.
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post Feb 16 2021, 11:18 AM

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I just like to gauge the general feeling about SA here.

So if you game in giving a feedback, thank you in advance!

On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is bad when you would not even recommend to your enemy and 10 is excellent where you would say its the best thing since sliced bread!

Nickname ..................................... Year started investing......................................Review(1 to 0)

prophetjul..........................................Feb2021........................................................Too new


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post Feb 16 2021, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Feb 16 2021, 05:43 AM)
Nothing to do with CNY because markets at all time high and the buy order will be executing by this Wednesday or Thursday when the markets starts to correct itself and rebalance their portfolio

Your money is already converted to USD and it is only small amount of rm100 which is difficult for it to execute the buy order most ETFs at its portfolio because most of it are being priced in the market at least of USD45 to USD178

In order for it work better you should at least deposit about USD100 or RM405 in order for it to execute the buy smoothly
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Hey just curious on what do you mean wed & thurs will correct itself? Is it a trend for markets to correct themselves around end of week? And is this in relation to us markets or equity markets in general?
Coz if tats the usual trend then it makes sense to top
up around end of week yes?
Thanks haha πŸ˜†
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post Feb 16 2021, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(kiba84 @ Feb 16 2021, 05:43 AM)
Hi all, I just started with SA. After the assessment, it shows me 6.5% risk and when I check here, we have so many people with 36% risk assessment. When I check to change the risk, for some reason it only allowing up to 22%. What is the best way to do this? I'm looking for a long term investment. So is it better to stick with 6.5% as the automated risk says and create a new portfolio for 22%? Any advise? Not sure how to get 36% portfolio thou.
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https://www.stashaway.my/r/debunking-high-risk-high-return

FYI, this article is heavily suggested by StashAway, its probably worth a read.

Just another beginner's two sens, the market "always goes up" - but if you are in your 60s, and you suddenly have a saving goal, and you absolutely can't afford to wait 5 to 10 years for a crashed market to recover - don't do 36% - thats what the risk number that reads to me: how long can I afford to wait for it to go up, how big of a dip I can take before I panic sell.

During the questionnaire, Stashaway recommended me to stay below 12%, but to me, I treat the money I put into Stashaway as "poof, gone up in a puff of smoke forever" and I have a small emergency fund setup elsewhere, so knowing I won't hand itchy sell everything when 36% down and cursing the world, I unlocked my risk level and started at 36% instead.

This post has been edited by Hoshiyuu: Feb 16 2021, 01:00 PM
prophetjul
post Feb 16 2021, 01:34 PM

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As always, when we share our performance, we compare it against our portfolios’ same-risk benchmarks. A same-risk benchmark is a portfolio that has the same risk exposure (measured as value-at-risk) as one of our own portfolios. We specifically designed our investment framework to maximise returns at a given risk level. As you can see, most of our portfolios outperformed their same-risk benchmarks.


https://www.stashaway.my/r/our-returns-2020

What is that in layman's language? laugh.gif
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post Feb 16 2021, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(amateurinvestor @ Feb 16 2021, 12:54 PM)
Hey just curious on what do you mean wed & thurs will correct itself? Is it a trend for markets to correct themselves around end of week? And is this in relation to us markets or equity markets in general?
Coz if tats the usual trend then it makes sense to top
up around end of week yes?
Thanks haha πŸ˜†
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If you listen too much to experts, sooner or later they become correct. (No offense to anyone here).
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 16 2021, 01:34 PM)
https://www.stashaway.my/r/our-returns-2020

What is that in layman's language?  laugh.gif
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Read this link again:
https://www.stashaway.my/r/debunking-high-risk-high-return

As said many times, I think all of Stashaway's learning material is good. Value at risk or volatility or standard deviation all same thing, tracking the how much an asset changes over time.

It is really important to understand what you are buying. Forget about returns for a while, always remember how much risk you are taking.
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Feb 16 2021, 02:10 PM)
Read this link again:
https://www.stashaway.my/r/debunking-high-risk-high-return

As said many times, I think all of Stashaway's learning material is good. Value at risk or volatility or standard deviation all same thing, tracking the how much an asset changes over time.

It is really important to understand what you are buying. Forget about returns for a while, always remember how much risk you are taking.
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That is what I am trying to figure out here. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 16 2021, 01:34 PM)
https://www.stashaway.my/r/our-returns-2020

What is that in layman's language?  laugh.gif
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meaning compare proton to proton, volvo to volvo. dont compare proton to volvo
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post Feb 16 2021, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 16 2021, 01:34 PM)
https://www.stashaway.my/r/our-returns-2020

What is that in layman's language?Β   laugh.gif
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They compare their portfolios performance to the performance of other unit trust funds from other companies and/or their own test portfolios that they've judged to be of similar risk and portfolio composition type.

This post has been edited by DragonReine: Feb 16 2021, 02:52 PM
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post Feb 16 2021, 02:59 PM

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This is the benchmark;

Our same-risk benchmarks are proxied by MSCI World Equity Index (for equities) and FTSE World Government Bond Index (for bonds)

Simply as average as an average can get, 23 developed market with 1600 component
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Kinda odd that the SA simple doesn't show the interest or dividend accrue in the transaction page?

Or I am missing something? πŸ€”πŸ€¨

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Feb 16 2021, 05:38 PM)
Kinda odd that the SA simple doesn't show the interest or dividend accrue in the transaction page?

Or I am missing something? πŸ€”πŸ€¨
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Need to tap Account Transactions > choose "StashAway Simple™ MYR" to see dividends

the account transactions general page only shows the movement of money between your bank account to your portfolios, transfer of money between portfolio, and the status of whether money have been redeemed/invested.

similarly with Simple, any rebalancing, unit buy/sells, and dividend payouts for bonds within investment portfolios won't show in account transactions, if you want to see details you need to look up the portfolios the same way as above
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QUOTE(amateurinvestor @ Feb 16 2021, 12:54 PM)
Hey just curious on what do you mean wed & thurs will correct itself? Is it a trend for markets to correct themselves around end of week? And is this in relation to us markets or equity markets in general?
Coz if tats the usual trend then it makes sense to top
up around end of week yes?
Thanks haha πŸ˜†
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This week markets are at all time high carryover from last few weeks gain hence this week Wed and Thurs the market will correct or even stagnant only this week you just google and you know why

Markets can correct itself anytime due to anything sensitive to data or news related not necessary end of the week and it can happen anytime and anywhere in the world.

If you trade based on trend using SA be careful because you will get hit by the sudden movement of the markets because of the fluidity of their ETFs as it can be seen in KWEB and IJR which is already on breakout trend

If you top up at the wrong week with high USD and high price of ETFs be prepared to hold on longer to ride on the gains only will happen on bullish trend like now and only top up when the USD is falling and markets are dipping if you’re into the long hold

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https://www.stashaway.my/r/market-commentar...-your-portfolio

late share because CNY hectic but looks like SA unlikely to invest in crypto, it's also a good vid that explains why they're skeptical of it
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KWEB up 2% pre-market. another steroid run?

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