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desmond2020
post Jan 11 2019, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(spacelion @ Jan 11 2019, 01:53 PM)
5k salary ? that's too little.

should a pastor house, car, childrens education, be provided for by church ? or not. I think many people will have problem with this.

Nowadays pastor need computer to prepare notes. They need books, materials.

There is a problem with paying too little to someone who is the head of any organization, religious or otherwise - if they start to lack, they might be swayed by people who decide to "help" them . This is why our politicians also draw a salary, and it's not a low salary either.
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(whitefong @ Jan 11 2019, 01:57 PM)
OMG, no such things stealing church money is wrong, stealing is wrong in every countries. How can people still encourage such wrong doing? No wonder Malaysia has so many money games in Malaysia
How we gonna educate our kid in this way? should we tell them stealing in Singapore in wrong, stealing in Malaysia is legal? so behave nicely in Singapore, come back you can steal as much as you want?

I never expect there is so many twisted comment
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Err... No. It just means you still very naive. Haven't see other part of the world.
There's even preacher that ask his followers to help him buy jet plane.

To each his own interpretations.
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(whitefong @ Jan 11 2019, 01:57 PM)
OMG, no such things stealing church money is wrong, stealing is wrong in every countries. How can people still encourage such wrong doing? No wonder Malaysia has so many money games in Malaysia
How we gonna educate our kid in this way? should we tell them stealing in Singapore in wrong, stealing in Malaysia is legal? so behave nicely in Singapore, come back you can steal as much as you want?

I never expect there is so many twisted comment
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Hillsong Church makes over $100m
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/...b97ad0ba0a6f1bd

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A Hillsong spokesman would not reveal how much Mr Houston was paid, citing a church policy to “not divulge personal details including salaries of its staff”.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Meyer
Joyce Meyer used to take over 900k salary. She even got her own private jet.

Bill Johnson (senior pastor of Bethel Church) last reported salary in 2010 was 380k USD.

Do you listen to any of these ministries ? You should also be careful ya.
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jan 11 2019, 01:57 PM)
If you want to be abundant with material wealth don't become a pastor
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well said.

i hope you don't go to a church with this kind of pastor icon_idea.gif
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:06 PM

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post Jan 11 2019, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Jan 11 2019, 02:03 PM)
Err... No. It just means you still very naive. Haven't see other part of the world.
There's even preacher that ask his followers to help him buy jet plane.

To each his own interpretations.
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No, we know. So do we need to continue to encourage this? Money game is gray area things, they dwell in an illegal zone; but the church is different it is a holy place, we should not let such immoral things happened dude, you know the difference?
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(whitefong @ Jan 11 2019, 02:09 PM)
No, we know. So do we need to continue to encourage this? Money game is gray area things, they dwell in an illegal zone; but the church is different it is a holy place, we should not let such immoral things happened dude, you know the difference?
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As I said, to each his own interpretations.
Wrong for you might not be wrong for others.

So you feel they doing the wrong thing. And your ways to stop them is by opening thread in /k to rant? I don't think that will be effective. You don't even present what's those churches in Malaysia doing wrong.
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Jan 11 2019, 02:15 PM)
As I said, to each his own interpretations.
Wrong for you might not be wrong for others.

So you feel they doing the wrong thing. And your ways to stop them is by opening thread in /k to rant? I don't think that will be effective. You don't even present what's those churches in Malaysia doing wrong.
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your words: "Wrong for you might not be wrong for others."
Okay, nvm just let me know, your personal opinion stealing is right or wrong?

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post Jan 11 2019, 02:20 PM

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looks like sheep in churches, really are sheep in real life

brainwashed so hard to receive the word of god from the messenger's mouth, to the point need to worship the messenger by potek the messenger songlap and rewarding the messenger with high pay

KEKKKKKKKK
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(whitefong @ Jan 11 2019, 02:19 PM)
your words: "Wrong for you might not be wrong for others."
Okay, nvm just let me know, your personal opinion stealing is right or wrong?
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My personal opinion stealing is wrong.

Now show me how he steal money from those churches in Malaysia?
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:23 PM

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actually i still dont understand what is TS purpose of this tered.

If you just want to remove KH name from the church, u know that this is /k right ?

If you want to so call educate ppl about KH and the churches, news are aplenty. Let the ppl decide themselves whether they still want to attend or not. If ppl still wants to go, who are you to stop them. You realised that this is not the only church that has mega scandal right? Especially in Malaysia.

If you just want to stir shit about KH, then i guess you're in the right place.
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:23 PM

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TS triggered like rabid dog padahal the whole article was to attack Hannah Yeoh.
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Jan 11 2019, 02:21 PM)
My personal opinion stealing is wrong.

Now show me how he steal money from those churches in Malaysia?
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I don't understand why you need to keep protect the church, and repeatedly ask something I have already answered. I start to suspect you are one of them.
If the church seriously thinks stealing is wrong, remove the Pastor "Kong Hee"name that all. You don't need admire a hypocrite seriously
I have already explained the same things, you can record Hitler in history book, but you don't need praise the Hitler
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(whitefong @ Jan 11 2019, 02:27 PM)
I don't understand why you need to keep protect the church, and repeatedly ask something I have already answered. I start to suspect you are one of them.
If the church seriously thinks stealing is wrong, remove the Pastor "Kong Hee"name that all. You don't need admire a hypocrite seriously
I have already explained the same things, you can record Hitler in history book, but you don't need praise the Hitler
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does your religion teach forgiveness ? If it does, why don't you give KH a 2nd chance? hypocrite much ?
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(whitefong @ Jan 11 2019, 02:27 PM)
I don't understand why you need to keep protect the church, and repeatedly ask something I have already answered. I start to suspect you are one of them.
If the church seriously thinks stealing is wrong, remove the Pastor "Kong Hee"name that all. You don't need admire a hypocrite seriously
I have already explained the same things, you can record Hitler in history book, but you don't need praise the Hitler
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Where did they praise KH? You don't even put the link of their praise to him in the first post.

I'm not protecting the church, I'm laughing at your stupidity. There's a difference.

Wait, you haven't answered my question. Show me how he steal money from those churches in Malaysia?

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post Jan 11 2019, 02:33 PM

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Last month on CI channel for a series of documentaty taking about cults.... Scary of what is happening inside. This series featured Jehova witnesses, davidians David Koresh, got one Christian cult lead by a Korean they hold guns in the church.,

Scary.
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(spacelion @ Jan 11 2019, 02:30 PM)
does your religion teach forgiveness ? If it does, why don't you give KH a 2nd chance? hypocrite much ?
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Forgiveness does not apply to Kong Hee, He never admits his wrong, His wife even worst still blame God, she write this "Entertainment world were suspicious of me, many times i asked God how more I had to do it" God never ask her to do so, she want herself yet she blame God
Kong hee is not, he brainwashed the adherent, he uses the church money for luxury life. He definitely wants forgiveness to continue scam more money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x7WcpIsM3c

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post Jan 11 2019, 02:42 PM

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Woah, scammer have branch in Malaysia somemore, I thought pastor not suppose to be rich? They should be humble
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post Jan 11 2019, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(whitefong @ Jan 11 2019, 02:41 PM)
Kong hee is not, he brainwashed the adherent, he uses the church money for luxury life. He definitely wants forgiveness to continue scam more money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x7WcpIsM3c
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Mark 11:25 ESV
And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”

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post Jan 11 2019, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Jan 11 2019, 02:43 PM)
Mark 11:25 ESV
And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”
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“False christs and false prophets will ariseand perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand.” (Mark 13:22–23; see also Matthew 24:24)

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