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rznrmolev
post Dec 19 2018, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(lawliet88 @ Dec 18 2018, 10:34 PM)
just read sin chew daily , they put this cimb thing as "fake news" section lol  icon_idea.gif
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Well, that is because they got the information from CIMB official statement.
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post Dec 19 2018, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(Mr_47 @ Dec 19 2018, 12:44 AM)
what bs cant change pswd 2 days edi wtf cimb
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there's been a few shares earlier on...

likely your password was still using the old policy which is only 8 chars. try this:
* when changing password, just use the first 8 chars of old password as your old password
* use complex password for the new password
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QUOTE(mydragoon @ Dec 19 2018, 08:35 AM)
there's been a few shares earlier on...

likely your password was still using the old policy which is only 8 chars. try this:
* when changing password, just use the first 8 chars of old password as your old password
* use complex password for the new password
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dang thats works

thanks mate
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post Dec 19 2018, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(mydragoon @ Dec 19 2018, 08:35 AM)
there's been a few shares earlier on...

likely your password was still using the old policy which is only 8 chars. try this:
* when changing password, just use the first 8 chars of old password as your old password
* use complex password for the new password
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post Dec 19 2018, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Mr_47 @ Dec 19 2018, 08:46 AM)
dang thats works

thanks mate
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no worries. helping where i can.

i know it's scary for many.. myself included. wink.gif


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post Dec 19 2018, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(heinlein @ Dec 18 2018, 10:47 PM)
Thing is no one even family knows my debit card info. This case really power. I thought the SMS is fake cuz normally cimb sms start with RM0.00 CIMB:

This one starts with RM0.00 CIMB BANK:
Money deduction is not instaneous. It only deducts 2 days later.

Furthermore, this is less likely to be paypal transaction, my card is with me this whole time.
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Wow, your case is different. May I know if you use CIMB app for mobile phone OR just CIMB clicks website? Did the transaction ask any SMS tag?
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QUOTE(tonywonghs @ Dec 19 2018, 09:26 AM)
Wow, your case is different. May I know if you use CIMB app for mobile phone OR just CIMB clicks website? Did the transaction ask any SMS tag?
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Only use cimbclick website. Got sms but check no deduction so thought is scammer's prank to cause panic. Who knows really money gone after 2 days. Only found out after lowyat news say possible cimb hacked. I no day day open cimbclick check my acc balance habit.
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Similar deduction thing happened to me early this year but with MOLPAY, not sure how it was charged to my debit card. I went to CIMB, changed my card and disabled Debit as a precautionary measures. Thankfully, CIMB reimbursed my money
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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Dec 19 2018, 12:25 AM)
Nasi lemak tech says cimb did nothing wrong:
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They did mention did nothing wrong @ cimb clicks
other all wrong did not mention too. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Dec 19 2018, 09:55 AM

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if cimb not wrong then how come only cimb kena

is there other bank kena same attack?
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post Dec 19 2018, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Dec 19 2018, 09:55 AM)
if cimb not wrong then how come only cimb kena

is there other bank kena same attack?
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See how they putar..unauthorized transaction not related with cimb click - which is correct.but not mention unauthorized transaction of stolen data..they said unauthorized transaction is still low and under control

This post has been edited by peja5081: Dec 19 2018, 10:09 AM
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post Dec 19 2018, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(okuribito @ Dec 18 2018, 10:34 PM)
silverhawk the encryptedPass = MFPInit.encrypteMY(password) is the encryption u mentioned, right?  Curious, isn't that encryption done by the user's browser based on the bank's ssl cert for security during transmission?   Based on the fact that pre-18Nov passwords can be used when truncated to 1st 8 characters, I strongly believe they store raw passwords somewhere in their system. If they ONLY store hashes, there's nothing to compare when shortened old passwords are submitted! Did I misunderstand anything?
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With the benefit of the nasilemakTech rebuttal, they say the truncation to 8 chars is not an issue at all because ALL old passwords are 8chars long anyway.

IF that's true, yeah it's a non issue. But why need slice with substring(0, 8) ??

BUT I asked here and some people said that their old passwords were longer than 8 chars. In which case, logic says that CIMB must have the passwords stored As Is somewhere in their system

So which is it? Were old passwords pre 18Nov exactly 8 chars OR minimum 8 chars (ie longer also got) ??

PS: those who kena unauthorised transactions should flood nasilemak tech with proof / police reports etc (where's the batu api smiley tongue.gif )

PPS: just saw the latest version of se7en's article ... rclxms.gif everything I talked about is there icon_idea.gif

This post has been edited by okuribito: Dec 19 2018, 12:20 PM
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post Dec 19 2018, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Dec 19 2018, 09:55 AM)
if cimb not wrong then how come only cimb kena

is there other bank kena same attack?
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once facebook saw from maybank debit card by paypal also,
but then only 1 not sure some people try to gain attraction or what la.
Cimb mean nothing wrong in CIMB@Clicks
but other part of CIMB all gone wrong. bruce.gif bruce.gif
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post Dec 19 2018, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(AsuKi @ Dec 19 2018, 08:51 AM)
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this one easily cracked. what u need is

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QUOTE(lawliet88 @ Dec 18 2018, 10:34 PM)
just read sin chew daily , they put this cimb thing as "fake news" section lol  icon_idea.gif
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haha further evidence that mainstream media not reliable, it's crystal clear that cimb has weaknesses that been exploited


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post Dec 19 2018, 03:06 PM

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lol no wonder najib brother jump out of ship,he already knew this shit gonna happened

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...zak-steps-down/
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QUOTE(okuribito @ Dec 19 2018, 12:10 PM)
BUT I asked here and some people said that their old passwords were longer than 8 chars. In which case, logic says that CIMB must have the passwords stored As Is somewhere in their system
From what I understand, there were 3 steps to this

1. Passwords were allowed to be 8 or more characters
2. Rules changed, passwords allowed MAX 8 characters
3. Rules changed again, passwords allowed 8-20 characters

So if you had a password in (1) that was longer than 8 chars, it was truncated. Maybe the passwords were stored encrypted instead of hashed, so was possible to work out the original password and truncate it for (2).

QUOTE(okuribito @ Dec 19 2018, 12:10 PM)
With the benefit of the nasilemakTech rebuttal, they say the truncation to 8 chars is not an issue at all because ALL old passwords are 8chars long anyway.

IF that's true, yeah it's a non issue. But why need slice with substring(0, 8) ??


So which is it? Were old passwords pre 18Nov exactly 8 chars OR minimum 8 chars (ie longer also got) ??

PS: those who kena unauthorised transactions should flood nasilemak tech with proof / police reports etc (where's the batu api smiley  tongue.gif )

PPS: just saw the latest version of se7en's article ...  rclxms.gif  everything I talked about  is there  icon_idea.gif
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They likely need to slice it because the backend does not know if this is a new/old password format. By right, backend should not care about such things. The fact that they slice says nothing about whether the passwords were stored as hashes or not.

Lets say your very old password was:

"lowyatisthebest"

Then CIMB stupidly changed their rules that passwords must only be 8 characters long, so your password now is:

"lowyatis"

They can hash this value, and since they hash it they will always need the 8 character version of your password to compare with the DB. They don't have to store it as plaintext. Its very unlikely that they are storing passwords in plaintext, wouldn't be able to pass any form of certification/audit if that were the case.

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QUOTE(heinlein @ Dec 19 2018, 09:35 AM)
Only use cimbclick website. Got sms but check no deduction so thought is scammer's prank to cause panic. Who knows really money gone after 2 days. Only found out  after lowyat news say possible cimb hacked. I no day day open cimbclick check my acc balance habit.
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but all online transaction must use TAC rite?
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post Dec 19 2018, 04:06 PM

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NLT has amended the two articles in question and added a note in the first paragraph for clarity.

https://nasilemaktech.com/cimb-did-nothing-...al-explanation/
https://nasilemaktech.com/debunking-mainstr...never-happened/



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