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post Jul 16 2018, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(LoTek @ Jul 15 2018, 06:26 PM)
I see my post is dubious to many.

Since my studies was fully covered including expenses, whatever I earned part time, i slowly brought back home, its 5 figures in SGD. And no I'm not in some illegal or immoral industry. I worked all sorts of jobs there in whatever spare time I had, photography, crew, promoter, tutor...anywhere from 8-50 sgd an hour type of jobs. Since starting full time work, which started in KL and still is in KL, my income has always been in 5 figure territory. I do not only rely on FD to grow savings that is not invested in props.

1st and 2nd prop is residential, subsequent is commercial. 1st was a mistake, bought from dev, yield is just over 4% which don't even meet the interest: am trying to exit. 2nd was the effort of 8 months of patience, non stop viewing and lowballing sellers until I got a unit more than 6 figures below market value. Believe seller was in dire financial difficulties, and he actually already had an interested buyer, who just wanted to push him another few k down from his asking, I offered to buy at the asking price and got it. Student rental play prop, yield is 9% counted at the market value, more than 10% at the price I got, incl renovate and furnish. I don't think I am not overestimating the value of my props: I take an average of the latest transactions listed on brickz and from the owner group chats.

Sorry to those who feel bad or disbelieve me, I'm being honest, I don't want to boast, I just wanted to inspire some young people my age smile.gif and its not about the income. Its about the discipline in work, expenses and investments. Some of my work days are as long as 14 hours when I need to. Never buy investments without weeks (or months) of study, made that mistake on my first prop. Never overspend. Some of my friends with 4k income a month probably think I earn less than them, from my lifestyle. I grew up in my grandfathers' attic, sleeping on the floor, eating rice with fruits and veges that me and my grandma stole from neighbours' gardens (sorry guys XD) or expiring old meat that my uncle, a wet market worker, was allowed to bring home. When I see people my age spending 110% of their income, with the 10% from parents or credit, and all the spending going to non investment expenditure, it just pisses me off.
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Haters will always be hating and "grapes that we can't eat is always sour". So don't mind them. Impressive achievement you have there. I know of 5 figures earner of early 20's but are nowhere close to what you achieved due to lifestyle spending being the priority than portfolios growth. smile.gif

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post Jul 16 2018, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 16 2018, 09:34 PM)
People could believe in many things e.g Robert kiyosaki's "rich Dad poor Dad". The question is how realistic and practical?

Oh ya, "rich Dad poor Dad" is as real as Harry Potter.
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Agree; realistic and practical.

But again, it is depend on individual’s income, lifestyles and etc.

Thus this thread is to get people sharing their journey and perhaps obstacles that can be lesson learned to others.

Some of forumers here instead of asking for more clarifications, they just got ignores people’s achievements and saying “bluffed, living in fantasy” and that kind of response.

I believe we need to be more positive and seek for more information if we dont understand the whole picture, rather than assuming and shot blindly.

I acknowledge that we all different and hopefully some of the sharing will fit with our current situation and it will become a guide/reference/point to start the FI/RE journey.




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post Jul 16 2018, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 16 2018, 08:55 PM)
Now, this only clear all my doubt. your previous post isn't complete with the details. You can re-read back.
1st official job already 5 figures. That's a very good start. In fact a huge jump start. And with the attitude, no surprise for owning props. Nice one.
Almost having same pattern with you except the 5 figures salary la, but my life damn boring :|

Besides, another conclusion.
Picking up a job or field is very important. Some people work for 16 hours in hospital (junior doc) end up only 5-6k per month lol. Some teachers work 9 hours in school also 5-6k lol. But on the other hand, same rank doc in Australia pays higher than in Malaysia with better benefits. Malaysia oh Malaysia.
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Sorry about that man, I guess I'm not a good story teller XD. Yes agreed that field sometimes really determines the expected salary range... unfortunately in my industry, although the jumpstart sounds good to you, I cannot expect my income to increase much over the next say 20 to 30 years and actually has more likelihood go down as I age. So... that's extra motivation to get a steady investment portfolio asap.
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post Jul 16 2018, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jul 15 2018, 10:06 PM)
Impressive! At such young age, u r already at least top 1% or less of your peers. Once yr assets snowball, your wealth will grow exponentially. You now have capital, discipline, high income and most importantly time on your side. Your future is limitless! Kudos!
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notworthy.gif I hope so.

QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 16 2018, 09:38 PM)
Haters will always be hating and "grapes that we can't eat is always sour". So don't mind them. Impressive achievement you have there. I know of 5 figures earner of early 20's but are nowhere close to what you achieved due to lifestyle spending being the priority than portfolios growth. smile.gif
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notworthy.gif Yeah I really don't like to see people spend so much of their income on lifestyle...with the justification that they can always continue earning. Never know what life throws at us.
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post Jul 17 2018, 05:52 AM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 16 2018, 09:38 PM)
Haters will always be hating and "grapes that we can't eat is always sour". So don't mind them. Impressive achievement you have there. I know of 5 figures earner of early 20's but are nowhere close to what you achieved due to lifestyle spending being the priority than portfolios growth. smile.gif
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Why must a person doubting "rich dad poor Dad" story is a hater? Classifying different in opinion a hater could only from zealous cult e.g those highly geared and believe property price will uuu regardless.
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post Jul 17 2018, 06:08 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 17 2018, 05:52 AM)
Why must a person doubting "rich dad poor Dad" story is a hater? Classifying different in opinion a hater could only from zealous cult e.g those highly geared and believe property price will uuu regardless.
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EDITED: 2nd edit to provide better clarity.

Doubting is fine. If in doubt, seek clarification. The only problem is that when negative energy are associated when seeking clarifications. If you look few posts back especially the last few comments, before LoTek clarified. Those posts are really rclxub.gif

If we don't believe, that's fine. Nothing wrong with it. But we can also ask nicely instead of labelling on the spot, right?

On Rich Dad, Poor Dad's book / practicality, again in the end its about mindset. Not everything will be usable or even practical but what's important are the new values gained from the book, right?

Unless you are saying that you did not gain any positive values from the book, then I rest my case.

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Jul 17 2018, 07:29 AM
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post Jul 17 2018, 07:24 AM

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aiyo....
don't fight over a book la. alamak.
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post Jul 17 2018, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 17 2018, 07:24 AM)
aiyo....
don't fight over a book la. alamak.
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Not fighting also laugh.gif
Not really so much about the books but their negativity 'shutdown styles' of comment against things that they don't believe in.
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QUOTE(meonkutu11 @ Jul 16 2018, 10:00 PM)
Agree; realistic and practical.

But again, it is depend on individual’s income, lifestyles and etc.

Thus this thread is to get people sharing their journey and perhaps obstacles that can be lesson learned to others.

Some of forumers here instead of asking for more clarifications, they just got ignores people’s achievements and saying “bluffed, living in fantasy” and that kind of response.

I believe we need to be more positive and seek for more information if we dont understand the whole picture, rather than assuming and shot blindly.

I acknowledge that we all different and hopefully some of the sharing will fit with our current situation and it will become a guide/reference/point to start the FI/RE journey.
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80/20 rule bro, thus 80% "like that" tongue.gif
Anyhow, life has taught me - it's good that the majority are "like that", else making a living or growing our portfolios will be ultra competitive laugh.gif

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Jul 17 2018, 08:29 AM
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post Jul 17 2018, 09:00 AM

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I will make a gross assumption here....
this 80/20 rules will has great variance in the income grade.
those in the 3 digit income upon graduation
those in the 4 digit income upon graduation
those in the 5 digit income upon graduation
those that are not graduated
those that has great and financially sound parents,
those that are not so educated, experienced, exposed,
etc, etc...

my assumption, is also,,,,for those with 5 digit income, .....the chance of making a 1 million networth after a few years of working will definitedly be a lot higher than those at lower grade.

thus, we are all different and hopefully these posts, will just be a morning easy reads and be forgotten later in the day. For those shared posts, may not will fit with our current situation, our philosophy, our risk appetite, financial mishaps learnt, etc, etc and it will just be a good read to me....and definitely this is not a place for me to follow these posts as a guide/reference/point to start the FI/RE journey or what ever they are called.

Thus, not need to be envy, jealous, trying to emulate, etc, etc.....for one man's meat, maybe another man's poison.

a friend of mine shared this in my whatsapp this morning....

"We sacrifice our time on relationship/health to make wealth, then we scarifice our wealth to get back our families/friends/health".

thus no need to fights in support or oppose to these posts......we are all different in many ways...... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif




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post Jul 17 2018, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 17 2018, 09:00 AM)
I will make a gross assumption here....
this 80/20 rules will has great variance in the income grade.
those in the 3 digit income upon graduation
those in the 4 digit income upon graduation
those in the 5 digit income upon graduation
those that are not graduated
those that has great and financially sound parents,
those that are not so educated, experienced, exposed,
etc, etc...

my assumption, is also,,,,for those with 5 digit income, .....the chance of making a 1 million networth after a few years of working will definitedly be a lot higher than those at lower grade.

thus, we are all different and hopefully these posts, will just be a morning easy reads and be forgotten later in the day. For those shared posts, may not will fit with our current situation, our philosophy, our risk appetite, financial mishaps learnt, etc, etc and it will just be a good read to me....and definitely this is not a place for me to follow these posts as a guide/reference/point to start the FI/RE journey or what ever they are called.

Thus, not need to be envy, jealous, trying to emulate, etc, etc.....for one man's meat, maybe another man's poison.

a friend of mine shared this in my whatsapp this morning....

"We sacrifice our time on relationship/health to make wealth, then we scarifice our wealth to get back our families/friends/health".

thus no need to fights in support or oppose to these posts......we are all different in many ways...... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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That is why we need to FIREarly! So that we have time to spend our wealth on enjoying life instead of paying for medicals.
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post Jul 17 2018, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Jul 17 2018, 09:10 AM)
That is why we need to FIREarly! So that we have time to spend our wealth on enjoying life instead of paying for medicals.
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need FIRE to be able to afford insurance premium?
if that is what you meant


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post Jul 17 2018, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 17 2018, 09:12 AM)
need FIRE to be able to afford insurance premium?
if that is what you meant
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Nah, I mean don't wait until no time/health to spend your wealth.
As for me, I will always have insurance to cover me up in case of any unwanted circumstance.
It's like protecting my wealth.
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post Jul 17 2018, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Jul 17 2018, 09:16 AM)
Nah, I mean don't wait until no time/health to spend your wealth.
As for me, I will always have insurance to cover me up in case of any unwanted circumstance.
It's like protecting my wealth.
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rclxms.gif good for you
thus, your circumstances may not be applicable to some too.
some may be too overly focused on meeting their preset saving goals thus maybe lead them to neglect or taking chances of possiblity of medical situations (may or may not happens) (young vs old chances)

thus i said earlier.....no need to fights in support or oppose to these posts......we are all different in many ways.


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Sometimes I found it funny, property investor took the latest value of the property price and then valued that property at that price, just to make their own net worth higher.

It's like people who keep stocks but valued their stock at selling price instead of the cost price.

Sorry, it looks unrealistic. There's no actual gain but a number for boasting only.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 17 2018, 09:00 AM)
I will make a gross assumption here....
this 80/20 rules will has great variance in the income grade.
those in the 3 digit income upon graduation
those in the 4 digit income upon graduation
those in the 5 digit income upon graduation
those that are not graduated
those that has great and financially sound parents,
those that are not so educated, experienced, exposed,
etc, etc...

my assumption, is also,,,,for those with 5 digit income, .....the chance of making a 1 million networth after a few years of working will definitedly be a lot higher than those at lower grade.

thus, we are all different and hopefully these posts, will just be a morning easy reads and be forgotten later in the day. For those shared posts, may not will fit with our current situation, our philosophy, our risk appetite, financial mishaps learnt, etc, etc and it will just be a good read to me....and definitely this is not a place for me to follow these posts as a guide/reference/point to start the FI/RE journey or what ever they are called.

Thus, not need to be envy, jealous, trying to emulate, etc, etc.....for one man's meat, maybe another man's poison.

a friend of mine shared this in my whatsapp this morning....

"We sacrifice our time on relationship/health to make wealth, then we scarifice our wealth to get back our families/friends/health".

thus no need to fights in support or oppose to these posts......we are all different in many ways...... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Unfortunately, time and wealth is an unequal trade.
Wealth cannot buy back those lost moments of life,
Eg. not being there when your child is growing up.

It's still a personal choice, no right or wrong.
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QUOTE(rapple @ Jul 4 2018, 01:05 PM)
You know, you don't need to reply individually every single post. You can multi quote.

I don't see myself retiring unless I'm force to retired.

My aim is to quit my job and work on my freelance.

For now my job salary ratio to my freelance income is 1 : 0.75, my aim is to reach 1 : 3 before i can really commit quitting my work.

Still long way to go.
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that's very impressive, mind sharing what you do as a freelance?


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QUOTE(melvin471 @ Jul 17 2018, 10:57 AM)
that's very impressive, mind sharing what you do as a freelance?
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Accounting.

Very tedious work.

A few Sdn Bhd clients vouchers and invoices filing makes me wanna puke..




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post Jul 17 2018, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Jul 17 2018, 09:58 AM)
Sometimes I found it funny, property investor took the latest value of the property price and then valued that property at that price, just to make their own net worth higher.

It's like people who keep stocks but valued their stock at selling price instead of the cost price.

Sorry, it looks unrealistic. There's no actual gain but a number for boasting only.
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I find your thinking funny. If net worth is not valued at market price, then at what price? Cost price? Lol. Guess Warren Buffett is just a millionaire.
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QUOTE(rapple @ Jul 17 2018, 12:19 PM)
Accounting.

Very tedious work.

A few Sdn Bhd clients vouchers and invoices filing makes me wanna puke..
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But your accounting freelance is basically trading your extra time for money no? Your time is 24 hours a day only. So there's some sorta limit (aka not so scale-able), unless your increase your earning per hour rates. How practical is it to achieve 1:3 day job to freelance income ratio?

Take it with a pinch of salt, but from my observation....accountants or whoever working in the finance department can climb up quite obviously. The CFO from my last MNC company climbed his way through from a normal exec from the Big 4. I noticed the same trend for those working in the accounts department in each of my previous employment. The key difference is, the one that tends to climb up very quickly exhibits very obvious leadership characteristics on top of being good at their work.

What I'm suggesting is, increasing your daytime job income via self-improvement should be the better path instead of increasing freelance income as the opportunity is much better no? If you suck at your daytime job, chances of you suck at your freelance is kinda likely too no? Both daytime job & freelance is basically trading your time for income.

IMO, the function of freelance is to gain extra pocket money or something to keep your mind active when you retire at 60.

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