Age 25, aim to retire at 45 with RM500k in ASX while pay off all debts and live happily ever after. Why is it impossible?
FI/RE - Financial Independence / Retire Early, Share your experience
FI/RE - Financial Independence / Retire Early, Share your experience
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Jul 4 2018, 10:50 AM
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Age 25, aim to retire at 45 with RM500k in ASX while pay off all debts and live happily ever after. Why is it impossible?
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Jul 4 2018, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 4 2018, 10:48 AM) A lot of time, I see FIRE being used/exploited thoroughly (like selling "dream) in MLMs, or something try to lure investors or recruitment purposes, instead talking about how to achieve FI, or proper personal financial planning. Agree. Funny to see youngsters nowadays say want to retire by 30y/o.Not impossible, but they don't know how much they need to do/sacrifice including face, friend, social life JUST FOR THAT UNSURE RE. Once, a friend of mine ask me, what will you do if you have RM1mil now? My 1st answer, do business and retire loh! That is what majority ppl will answer. but wait, do business doesn't mean you retire. As long as you still need to watch that shop, you're not even near to retire. My next answer, put 1mil in long term investment that can give at least 4-6% interest per year. With that, you could have passive income of ~4-5k monthly and retire. Why not? |
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Jul 4 2018, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 4 2018, 03:46 PM) My main point is not about nutritional food, YOLO, business people hates a miser.... etc I'll explain again. My point is very simple : 1. FIRE concept implies that work is shit. That's why you strive for financial freedom and retirement early (ie don't need to work) 2. If work is not shit, but an enjoyable adventure you do everyday, then the FIRE concept is not needed anymore Agree ? To give you an analogy : 3. Those who believe in FIRE is similar to treating their job as a prostitute. 4. They feel that they get fxxked everyday in the job to make money 5. That's why they want to end their working life as early as possible My point is : 6. If you treat your job as a gigolo instead, your job is instead fxxk other people and get paid 7. You help solve other people's problem by satisfying them 8. And you get paid along the way Of course, it is just an analogy (I am assuming being fxxked is bad, and fxxk other people is good. This may not be true in real life) Yes. It is hard to swallow, but the fact is those who believe in FIRE concept deep down is thinking they are "prostitute". They can't wait to retire. The challenge is how to turn it around and become a "gigolo" instead If your everyday work is to orgasm, your client/boss treat you like a god and get paid at the same time, who want to retire ? Gigolo vs Prostitute, |
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Jul 15 2018, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(LoTek @ Jul 15 2018, 09:27 AM) To inspire those who don't work overseas...and prove the naysayers (like my older relatives) who keep saying a job overseas is the only way to make it in life...I believe its possible to achieve goals early even for those working locally. Its all about controlling your lifestyle. I've built up a property portfolio in the 7 figures with an average yield of 6%, with a net worth also of 7 figures, and have never been based out of KL for longer than a few weeks at a time. 7 figures nett worth in mid 20 is brilliant, but I doubt so. Fyi I have been in the workforce for 5 years and am in my mid 20s. No, I did not receive any boosts from my parents not even for studies (full scholarship with allowance) and they did not assist me in any way for any of my properties except that I stay under their roof and receive some moral support and family love. To consistently invest 70-80% of income, may not sound easy but just ask yourself if you really need to drive that Jap or Continental car around in the traffic mess of KL? (I drive a fully paid off local vehicle and am frequent Mrt/Lrt user) Do you need to go on cafe-hops...? Why not just stick to one? Do you need a starbucks every morning? Make your own! Do you really need to have your entertainment outside? Have house parties with duty free booze. Is it a must to watch latest movies every other day? Go torrent or iflix or something. The list goes on... Assuming you are JPA student (full loan + allowances), working as director in listed company. That still doesn't give you sufficient income to let you generate that much of nett worth in within 5 years. Or maybe I misunderstood your 'nett worth' definition? |
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Jul 17 2018, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 17 2018, 09:00 AM) I will make a gross assumption here.... That is why we need to FIREarly! So that we have time to spend our wealth on enjoying life instead of paying for medicals.this 80/20 rules will has great variance in the income grade. those in the 3 digit income upon graduation those in the 4 digit income upon graduation those in the 5 digit income upon graduation those that are not graduated those that has great and financially sound parents, those that are not so educated, experienced, exposed, etc, etc... my assumption, is also,,,,for those with 5 digit income, .....the chance of making a 1 million networth after a few years of working will definitedly be a lot higher than those at lower grade. thus, we are all different and hopefully these posts, will just be a morning easy reads and be forgotten later in the day. For those shared posts, may not will fit with our current situation, our philosophy, our risk appetite, financial mishaps learnt, etc, etc and it will just be a good read to me....and definitely this is not a place for me to follow these posts as a guide/reference/point to start the FI/RE journey or what ever they are called. Thus, not need to be envy, jealous, trying to emulate, etc, etc.....for one man's meat, maybe another man's poison. a friend of mine shared this in my whatsapp this morning.... "We sacrifice our time on relationship/health to make wealth, then we scarifice our wealth to get back our families/friends/health". thus no need to fights in support or oppose to these posts......we are all different in many ways...... |
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Jul 17 2018, 09:16 AM
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Jul 18 2018, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 18 2018, 07:11 AM) which investment vehicle? some of the previous postings consider property as a good investment.... Property for me is much like the capital appreciation. Although not all property price will increase, but most of them does. Its matter of more or less only. |
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Sep 13 2018, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 13 2018, 08:59 AM) I am already semi-retired. Good plan for retirement there.I have 4 businesses. Currently run by may long time staffs (I considered them as partner). I gave them 50% share in the respective companies (except property renting company). So the daily running of the businesses has since delegated to them, and they have been doing a great job. I usually go to the office in the morning. My partners will come and brief me if there is any new development. Otherwise, it was just a routine just to show face. For passive income portfolio, currently I am out of the stock market. And let my RM manage for me. Mostly long term (15 months and above) bank products with capital guaranteed. So, less time spend on overseeing the portfolio now compared to when I was active in stock market After that, it's all my free time I have quite a number of hobbies. I think I posted my expenses in the other thread about monthly expenses. Most of my expenses are related to my hobbies Just ignore what others said. Some people just cannot accept criticism and red-eye when seeing others are more successful than them. These people usually will not learn and would not accept advice to change themselves in order to improve. In short, thick face |
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Nov 28 2018, 02:51 PM
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Read an article on retirement
https://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/78-m...unds-retirement QUOTE 78% of Malaysians ‘do not have enough funds for retirement’ sad to hear but that's the truth |
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Jan 24 2019, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(Tucker Crowe @ Jan 24 2019, 03:36 PM) welcome. talking about properties,there's no special secret to achieving FIRE. I only did 2 things - 1. Save as much as I can 2. Buy as many properties as I can As for #2, I have stopped because property market is shit currently. So now just doing #1. Cheers! found out now many developer give rebate from the bank value to let buyer have higher margin rebate im talking here up to -30%! eg. snp 500k, rebate 150k, loan needed 350k = no need downpayment. is it good or they really desperate to sell units? |
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Feb 15 2019, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(Bora Prisoner @ Feb 15 2019, 10:40 AM) I've actually shared some of my experiences previously under the user 'tucker crowe', but that user got banned and all my posts got deleted. Good sharing. Keep it up!Such a shame, and a bloody waste of time. Won't be surprised if this user gets banned too, please dont report this dupe Anyway, I can share one of the things I changed. 12 years ago, I finished paying off my Proton car 5-year term installment. I did some calculation back then, think I was spending on average about RM1,500 for this car (installment, petrol, toll, car park, insurance etc). I decided then to keep this car for another 10 years. A year later, I moved to a home near the LRT. I started going to work using LRT. My transportation cost practically went from 1,500/month to 100/month. I use the car on weekends, but hardly. Whatever payment I make, I try to use my maybank Petronas card. All cc points I earned, I redeem Petrol gift card. I remember not paying for petrol at all for years. Also 12 years ago, I started with zero in my savings account, I got married that year too and spent everything on the wedding. In average over the last 12 years, with my salary growing, I put my money into savings at about RM3,000 a month. So in the last 12 years, I went from zero to 600k purely from this savings alone. Now, a lot of people tell me the above wont work for them because their workplace is not near LRT. To be honest, I would have simply moved near my workplace - I would walk, cycle, kapchai to work. It does not matter how I get to work, as long as I dont drive. But alas, people always have excuses. It's just a matter if you have that mindset to do it, or not. p/s: since i reached FI 2 years ago, bought myself a beemer. And yes, I sold the 15 year old Proton In the end still boils down to one's contentment. Some people can happy with flat and motorcycle. Some people can happy with condo and local car. Some people can happy with 3storeybungalow and foreign car. |
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Feb 18 2019, 10:51 AM
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Feb 18 2019, 03:09 PM
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May 3 2019, 05:32 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Hey, what a great adventure you had there. Admired your way of living your own style. I guess people usually say poor will get poorer and rich will get richer. People say the rich had more choice and chance compare to the poor. But you had defeated the common belief! You was given 2nd chance, if not, 3rd chance in your life and decided to keep straight and follow your own rules. Good luck working with that and I can see how you are moving near into FIRE This post has been edited by 55665566: May 3 2019, 05:36 PM |
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Jul 25 2019, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Jul 25 2019, 01:11 PM) Loving all the stories here. I am FI but not planning to RE. I am probably semi retired now. I go to the office around 11 and work about 2-3 hours. I stay in the office until 4 or 5 but just surf the net, read story books and sometimes watch some movies. I don't work on Sat or Sun. There are times when I have to work harder...maybe pull an all nighter but it is pretty rare...maybe once every 2 to 3 months. Cool story! Very inspiring indeed.I am 43 and a single mom. My daughter is 17 and just entered college on a scholarship. When I was 19 I left home to enter a local university. Although I was offered several overseas scholarships I could not take the offer as my parents were not willing to subsidise my living expenses in UK although they could afford it. I could have worked and studied at the same time but during that time at the age of 19 I was scared to go to UK alone and was really clueless. HAHAHA. So anyway I left home and stayed in a hostel that was crowded and more like a elevated version of a prison cell. 8 to a room. During my four years of studies I did well and the university sent me overseas for competitions. As it was a local university and I was not a bumi, I was not qualified for JPA or MARA scholarship and many of the private company scholarships at that time had a 2 year bond attached to the award. So I just hustled and got paid to do assignments for my uni mates. Paid my own way through university. When I left university I got a high paying job immediately but being young and stupid I fell in love and got married at 25. By 26 I had my daughter and 10 months later I was divorced. At the time of my divorce my ex left me with no money and a car debt as he bought a car in my name. Since I was 26 and had a young mouth to feed, I guess survival instincts kicked in. I then started working in 3 different companies before I left and started my own business 12 years ago. I started my business because I wanted more time with my daughter and I wanted flexibility as I had no help from my family or my ex. I was totally on my own. Currently my business has 5 full time employees and two part timers and my income has doubled from last year. My income is approximately 600K per year after expenses. My passive income is about RM20K per month and will probably increase because I am still earning and saving. Most of my passive income comes from FD and share dividends. The rest from the rental of 2 properties (only 20%). I am not a miserly person but I am quite frugal in my daily expenses. I eat at home quite a bit because I find home cooked food healthier and I love cooking. Recently due to the increase in my earnings, I have loosen the purse strings a little and bought a 200K car. I have also increased my travelling because that is the only thing I like. I usually travel 3-4 times a year but now I travel business class. The car and some of the travelling is paid by my company as an expense. As my daughter is on scholarship I don't really need to support my daughter that much. She gets a RM500 per month allowance from me and yet she hardly spends it. She is an amazing person and we have a very close relationship. I should start working hard too |
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Aug 14 2019, 03:48 PM
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found out most of the examples presented here are from working overseas and coming back to Malaysia to retire. Guess retirement by base in Malaysia seems impossible?
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Aug 14 2019, 04:04 PM
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Aug 14 2019, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 14 2019, 04:57 PM) each individual need are not the same, as can be read from some examples posted......some needs to have FEW millions to feel that they will need to have a retirement. what is your minimal amount need? If we were to take consider of 4% rule. I guess the suitable amount will be RM3mil as of today. But that is if you have RM3mil immediately now. Food - Rm1k Kids - Rm3k mortgage - Rm2.5k car loan - rm1.5k others - rm2k (accumulate few months, once awhile travel) Possible? |
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Aug 22 2019, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(MGM @ Aug 21 2019, 10:34 PM) https://terrencenotes.com/2019/08/01/how-to...-singapore-2-0/ I don't quite understand his calculation but anyway,All the more reason for one to stay in JB and work in Singapore, if only travelling to-and-fro is convenient, where is the RTS? MM2H by an ex-Malaysian converted to Singaporean. Is that possible? |
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