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post Jul 3 2018, 01:29 PM, updated 7y ago

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All, there are active communities in oversea that working on FI/RE by hard saving, investing and living below our means.
For sure there are also FI or already RE people in here.

Appreciate to share your experience; Pre-FI/RE and Post-FI/RE life.

Thanks

#I’m working towards FI/RE and currently saving/invest 50-60% of my monthly salary. (On top of this around 20-25% spent for commitment like ASB loans and properties).


I like to hear sharing from all who working towards FI/RE so we can learn in term of planning, lifestyle, achievement, obstacles and etc.

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FI/FF is the priority that we need to work on - planning, executions, monitoring and improvement

RE - Decision is yours once achieved FI/FF

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post Jul 3 2018, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Jul 3 2018, 01:37 PM)
Park here...

got interested in FIRE from Reddit but dont know the best way to do it in Malaysia..

this might help me alot
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Hopefully those who already achieve FIRE will share their life experience.
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 3 2018, 03:35 PM)
With about 3% of adults have over us$100k net worth, those with practical experience is fewer than most expected.
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Hopefully some of those will be willing to share their experience here. rclxms.gif
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Jul 3 2018, 04:11 PM)
Also working towards FIRE here. Current saving about 60% of monthly salary plus all of my passive income which is about 25% of salary.

My lifestyle is really boring to a lot of people though.
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Great move ZeaXG. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Boring now for happiness and freedom in future. I think it is worth it.

Can you share the financial planning after FIRE, it is will follow 4% SWR or you have your own set of numbers/calculations?

Thanks. Well Done.
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(SetsunaSoon @ Jul 3 2018, 05:27 PM)
I am glad that there are Msian blogs/forum on FIRE.

I am currently working in SG and intends to achieve FIRE before 40 and enjoy life in Ipoh.
I am saving about 42% of my current take home pay and currently taking part-time tuition jobs.

I have been living like a monk, most of the time staying at home smile.gif
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Well Done on your saving rate and passive income.


mind to share what is your age now? Also, what is your target annual income after FIRE (in term of % of current income)?

Keep it up!
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post Jul 3 2018, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(barista @ Jul 3 2018, 05:30 PM)
Cannot just keep all the money. Must invest in health while you are young, otherwise you will not get to enjoy your retirement also.
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Agree with that.

Keep up with your health and doing sports also can translate to more live cost saving! Instead of everyday having teh tarik and eating mamak with friend, spend more time in public park, jogging etc.
Its free. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 3 2018, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(SetsunaSoon @ Jul 3 2018, 05:48 PM)
My current age is 28.

It's hard to say because I am earning SGD salary but my plan is to have about RM3500 per month from my passive income portfolio when I reach FIRE.
I intend to diversify my portfolio by investing in income stocks listed in both SGX and Bursa.
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Good job SetsunaSoon. I believe if you persistent you will successfully achieve your goals.

Keep on sharing Bro.


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post Jul 3 2018, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(SetsunaSoon @ Jul 3 2018, 07:01 PM)
Thanks for the encouragement bro!

Let us encourage more Msian to join FIRE movement to end this meaningless cycle of rat race through this forum.
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That’s what we need to do. Give support and encouragement.
I believe FIRE is not only chasing for our own escape from rat race BUT will also later on contributes and giving back to society.


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post Jul 3 2018, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 3 2018, 07:08 PM)
Just started to look into FIRE after procrastinating for quite a while due to life circumstances plus some excuses. Hopefully not too late yet!
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Welcome Bro.

Everyone has their own battle. That’s understandable.
But we need to start somewhere, so lets work towards it and keep sharing your journey.

Good luck!
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post Jul 3 2018, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 3 2018, 09:42 PM)
FIRE is just glamorous word for  be fugal and invest wisely. How many can give up the YOLO lifestyle and be frugal? To be frugal need discipline and dedication.
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Yes, really need discipline and dedication.

But I think it is doable in Malaysia. Only from my short observations, many of us spending more than it should be on non-important stuffs and easy to follow others lifestyle in order to keep up the standard.

I’m consider myself lucky because working outside with a small team and less to none after hour activity. So less friend’s influence and more time with family.




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post Jul 3 2018, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Jul 3 2018, 10:11 PM)
FIRE makes no sense.

Retire earlier, then do what? Eat and sleep? FIRE is about saving and sacrificing like shit, and then what?

It makes more sense to find something sustainable to do over your working life, rather than make monetary achievements and earlier retirement the objective.

Don't go for these bullshit acronyms just like that.
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There is so many things you can do when you achieved FI. If you want to continue working, nobody will stop you. But the point is you have options and you can decide which way you want to go.

Many people as Ramjade said cannot give up YOLO and that why comes with a lot of excuses.

Maybe for example we can see Mark Chua who was also active in this forum. He chose to resign because he can afford to. Then by chance (maybe) became a well known author. And now he is back into what he likes and good at. He once quoted "I work because I want to Not because I have to"....so again, options.

And of course we do not want our body just rotten on the couch.


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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 3 2018, 10:17 PM)
Not a bro but a sis sweat.gif

For me it was a sudden realization / slap that I ended up in the "Rat Race" altho few years ago I've been reading on some of these topics. Thought I'd avoid the trap since it should be obvious having some "upfront warning" but little did I know all I need was a sudden downfall and I just got deeper into the race.

My goal is really to invest time now to free up time in the long run to do things I want to without worrying on the consequences.
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Sorry, my bad sweat.gif

Good luck with your journey. It is not easy but it is not impossible.

I believe in order to keep us in-line, we need to have a clear current financial status and target (monthly/annually) that we want to achieve.

Mind to share (in %) what's your current expenses?


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post Jul 3 2018, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Jul 3 2018, 10:38 PM)
Aiyo, you missed the point.

Of course everybody wants to achieve FI. So that is not the point.

My point is there is a cost. You need to make sacrifices. You either make sacrifices earlier, or you spread it out.
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Sacrifice early for future happiness, I will go for it.

It is not only about money, it translated to more free time.

More time to help you keep up with long lost family, doing volunteering, traveling, doing part times, etc.

Not everyone loves what they are doing but stay put because of the good package they received. (One type of sacrifice)


Anyway, I respect your input and wish you good luck!



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post Jul 4 2018, 12:11 AM

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I believe everyone have their own plan post-FIRE.

For myself it is simple. Free time I will dedicate to myself, family and giving back to society.

Pre-FIRE, I’m one of the lucky guy that while saving 50-60% of salary, my family don’t have to live too frugal. Thanks to company that provided me full expat package. Earning USD and spending with lower currency is a good stuffs.

Also back in Malaysia,
- No car loan (settled)
- No Personal Loan
- No PTPTN Loan
- No outstanding on Credit Card

Post- FIRE targeting to live same or slightly below what we are now. Insurance as usual, education fund for kids ready (fully paid property), excess money for charity works & travel oversea at least once a year.

Remember we will have different numbers to achieve FIRE but let it be reasonable and achievable. Most importantly we have free time to choose what we want to do to make us happy and lively.





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post Jul 4 2018, 11:18 AM

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I agree that we need to work towards FI first. That will be the hard part.
Then we will have option whether to go for RE or continue working.

I see people misunderstand the concept of RE. It is not completely retire and doing nothing the rest of our life. But rather stop working on what we have to do and start working what we want to do. So, there many things that we can do out there.

Most of the time we see people not willing to give up YOLO attitude and trying to impress other people with what we have.

“We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like."

Buying luxury things and living YOLO style will not give us permanent happiness.

And I believe can live moderately as same lifestyle while continue to have "happiness" factor in daily life.

I felt sorry for some of my friends which having good paycheck, buying Mercedes/GTR and living hipster kind of lifestyle while do not having an investment other than their own house.

In my industry which is depending much on the Oil Price, having a good financial planning and saving rate and good investment is a must.

During good old days, people especially US guys stock up with new boats and trucks (I guess in Malaysia also same) and when downturn, they are crying when get retrenched.
Thats is 40-50 years old guys. Crying!

-So start early, save and invest wisely to achieve FI, Then we have luxury to choose RE or not-

#I'm not selling anything so there is no taking advantage session here, just sharing.




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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 4 2018, 11:08 AM)
I would like to join this FIRE community too, as I have been working on it for years. I have joined the workforce for 3 years now since I quit my long stint in entrepreneurship and doing few years of freelance jobs, and I am 33 this year.
Currently in a stable job and being able to save in between 65% - 70% of my NET take home salary (after deduction of EPF/Socso/PCB). I live quite a comfortable lifestyle and providing for my mother. Apart from my employment salary, I have also built up a passive income of approximately 30% of my GROSS salary (which is tax free).

Based on my calculation (barring any unforeseen circumstances and assuming NO increment in savings amount) and a timeframe of 12 years (until I am 45), I should be able to achieve 100% of my current GROSS salary post-FIRE, while maintaining my lifestyle or possibly upgrading my lifestyle to include more travelling if the inflation remains low.
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Well Done. Keep sharing your journey. Thanks.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 4 2018, 11:31 AM)
I achieved FI b4 40 yrs old....
During that time, i planned to open a barber shop....watch astro daily in the shop...chats with friends when they visited me during my barbershop openning hours.....i don't really needed the earning from the barber shop.....bcos i had passive income arranged.
Well that was the plan, then as faith or some called it, prelife planned journies.....i met a girl, went out for few dates......liked itthen continued a few more dates.....as times goes by......got married, got dependents, got new properties, got many more liabilities.......
Now, still have to work ......
My moral of the story is....yes, we can plan, but in the end it is someone higher up there are the arranger of life's journeys.
Who would have known GE14 changed the lives of many FIRE peoples.....
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Thank you for sharing this.

like people said "Fail to plan is planning for failure".

So I guess it is better to have a plan and work with that plan and adjust accordingly.

Anything beyond our control we cannot do anything.

Also, in planning always factored in contingency or safety margin to cover as best as we can things that we not expected.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 4 2018, 11:48 AM)
Like what Cherroy shared, FI (Financial Independence) is the core component, RE.. hm.. things may change when U reach FI or reaching FI.

During my days, no such acronym, FIRE. Just focused on FI thus have options - option to continue working current job/Co., to change to another Co., to change entirely to another field that is more in-line with one's "purpose", no more "cold sweat middle-of-night awakening" due to monetary worries, etc.

Thus, if RE means freedom of options, FIRE has been around for ages, though known as a different thing smile.gif.

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Sharing:
1. Financial independence/freedom (FF)
a. Personally, I was supposed to be FF in my 40s (now late 40s) but life happens - divorce, complicated birth, children, etc. Now, pushing it back to 50s to ensure children's education option.

b. I know the numbers needed - looks scary at first but do-able as we keep our focus, live below means (also good for planet, less destruction/wastage) & keep on growing investment assets.

c. I save 100% of my investment returns + at least 20% of my net income (excluding EPF/CPF), + IF there's bonus, >=50% is saved for investments & remaining is gifted & used for "feel good".

2. Man-at-work Vs Man-avoiding-work
Maybe i'm lucky, i enjoy what i do +i get paid well enough to be able to save & invest. Not many enjoy what they do, thus they just focus on "getting out" - which should not be the case. If U do not like the Co., then move. If U do not like your field, then learn other fields while working - suffer the 80% to get to the 20% of cheese/dream.

3. Ignore the noise
Be CRYSTAL CLEAR on what U want, ignore others - it's your life. When you're crystal, U literally just smile at "others' good intention/advice" - they aren't U, they can say/feel/opine whatever.

Just like Ramjade, loads of friends/colleagues/relatives will say things like:
a. What - U eating that again? Every day, how can U tahan?
b. Why U buy local car lar - U can afford ****
c. Eh, buy together lar holiday home - together gether cheaper, worth it la..
etc.
BTW, most of these folks.. they are the ones complaining not enough $ lar, blame employer for not paying earlier during Raya/CNY/Christmas la, blame Gov for too much tax lar, this lar, that lar tongue.gif

Also, most of these folks are either overweight or not able to do body-weight excercises - telling me to eat better tongue.gif

Apologies for the wall of text - just sharing my FIDO (Financial Independence, Doing Options) for U to convert to better FIRE.
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Exactly.

Priority work towards FI and choose on RE later.

RE is still relevant just its up to individual to choose and live their post-FIRE.

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ Jul 4 2018, 12:28 PM)
I think a lot doesnt understand the RE concept...

RE - retired early from being a kuli, then pursue whatever work that you like, without having to think about basic income for survival...

like being an artist or innovator...
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Exactly!
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QUOTE(ketupatlazat @ Jul 5 2018, 10:39 AM)
I like the FI concept but not RE.

Retiring early at 40s seems a little silly when earnings potential is at its peek, as well as commitments - vacations, occational outings to nice places, trust/education funds for kids, probably a bigger house since kids have grown in size hence need more space etc. My belief is that do not shortchange you family when you have the ability to do so. Relying totally on passive/investment income to fund these things would be a bit of a stretch, unless we talkin about having an 8-figure pool already

On FI, I prefer the middle ground - struggle a little for now, hit a target, then I can cruise a little afterwards - by this I mean maximizing the 200k limit on both ASB and ASB2 accounts (via cold hard cash savings, not by financing) by 30 yrs old, and just let the interests compound to an aggregate of RM2/3mil by age 55/60, which I hope could provide a 100% passive net inc of 12/16k every month

So by 30 yrs old, I would know that I had provided a solid cushion on my retirement, and I also have EPF to support as well. Spouse portion is another extra too.

After hitting that goal by 30 then I can lax a lil bit more, increase my spending more here n there. Perhaps I'll finally go for equities to increase my risk exposure

But if life happens that requires me to withdraw those principals then that's another story
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Thanks for sharing. good you have your own plan.
Can you share what is your total saving rate monthly (%)?

Thanks.

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