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post Aug 3 2007, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Aug 3 2007, 02:58 PM)
there is no diff if purchased online or at pc fair... no xtra fee gift

only diff, is that your order is send direct to factory if you purchase at pc fair, meaning faster delivery.....

provided you pay by credit card/cash... if bank draft/cheque, still need to wait for it to clear
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there's extra gift : usb hub.

and, i think order thru phone/online is faster than pcfair. Logically, your purchase at pcfair will be processed on the next day with lots of other pcfair customer. for phone/online, your order will be processed at the same day by appointed Dell representative.

QUOTE(Shin_ @ Aug 3 2007, 05:00 PM)
ordered at 1st Aug..evening.
Lydia called me up the next day.
Received my E228WFP 22"inch on 3rd Aug noon.

warehouse : penang.

not a single dead pixel.
but have no idea how to see what panel I've gotten.
bought the speaker as well. No complaints about its performance.
Good enough for me!!! definitely space saving.

p/s: never occur to me 22" will be this BIG.
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I ordered thru phone today and Lydia take my order. very nice girl. smile.gif
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post Aug 3 2007, 08:12 PM

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they have to be nice, if lanci for sure u wont buy dell items.. tongue.gif
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post Aug 3 2007, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(ckkean @ Aug 3 2007, 06:00 PM)
Delivery time for purchased Dell Products are from 9am-6pm, Monday-Friday (excluding public holidays).
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saturday also deliver, until 1pm only, they called me today saying tomorrow will deliver mine
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post Aug 3 2007, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Aug 3 2007, 08:22 PM)
saturday also deliver, until 1pm only, they called me today saying tomorrow will deliver mine
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when u order it ? by CC or bank draft ?
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My dell 24' lcd monitor has arrived . The problem is, there is this mouse lag ( or input lag, some call it) issue. Very obvious in FPS games.

I am running on ati 9800 pro with a DVI-I connection. Could it be that not
using DVI-D connection that cause this mouse lag problem?


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post Aug 3 2007, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Aug 3 2007, 08:22 PM)
saturday also deliver, until 1pm only, they called me today saying tomorrow will deliver mine
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Is it? Thats good for you. The Dell website stated that delivery time only on weekdays. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Aug 3 2007, 08:23 PM)
when u order it ? by CC or bank draft ?
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on sunday, paid via TT (inter bank transfer via maybank2u)


Added on August 3, 2007, 9:34 pm
QUOTE(tyss @ Aug 3 2007, 08:30 PM)
My dell 24' lcd monitor has arrived . The problem is,  there is this mouse lag  ( or input lag, some call it)  issue. Very obvious in FPS games.

I am running on ati 9800 pro with a DVI-I connection. Could it be that not
using DVI-D connection  that cause this mouse lag problem?
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because its using SPVA panel which has laggier response time

QUOTE(ckkean @ Aug 3 2007, 08:34 PM)
Is it? Thats good for you. The Dell website stated that delivery time only on weekdays.  laugh.gif
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when u check their reply email, u ll see that they actually deliver in sat too

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post Aug 3 2007, 10:03 PM

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dattebayo, there's no input lag. Have you thought things through? First of all, he's running a comparatively ancient 9800. If he's playing at native res, his graphics card is choking. If he isn't, he's playing at non native res which the monitor needs to scale.

Additionally, you haven't taken into account the fact that it takes you longer to move from one point to the other due to larger screen estate. A lot of people blame input lag on the fact that they are not yet "conditioned" to much a much larger screen and the change of aspect ratio.

I been playing CS:S with no problems and have found no difference.
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post Aug 3 2007, 10:11 PM

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Bryan is right, I suspect the so called 'mouse lag' he is experiencing is just lagging due to the old hardware. And you can't trace input lag by just playing FPS. Even a normal camera can't capture that lag, let alone your eyes. For me, a single 8800GTS is the minimum if you want to play the latest game on 1920x1200 reso.
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I'm also an owner of the Dell E228WFP. Got it last week (took about 4 days from order). Quite pleased with the monitor, good value for money.

Mine is Rev A02 - how about everybody else? I read in another forum, apparently can tell which panel by looking at the last letter in the serial number. Mine ends in "S", what's yours?
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Aug 3 2007, 10:11 PM)
Bryan is right, I suspect the so called 'mouse lag' he is experiencing is just lagging due to the old hardware. And you can't trace input lag by just playing FPS. Even a normal camera can't capture that lag, let alone your eyes. For me, a single 8800GTS is the minimum if you want to play the latest game on 1920x1200 reso.
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Yup it's definitely the ancient gfx card. Last time I was playing Far Cry with 6800GT on the 20" monitor n the mse cursor was lagging like hell. Cant even aim properly. It was purely the gfx lagging. After I changed to the 7950GX2 the cursor was smooth as babies bottoms.
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QUOTE(ianho @ Aug 3 2007, 10:21 PM)
Yup it's definitely the ancient gfx card. Last time I was playing Far Cry with 6800GT on the 20" monitor n the mse cursor was lagging like hell. Cant even aim properly. It was purely the gfx  lagging. After I changed to the 7950GX2 the cursor was smooth as babies bottoms.
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Ahh..... the old times. I can still remember trying to run that game using my old 2005WFP with a 6600GT. I get around 15fps if I'm not mistaken. And for those who doesn't know already, that is not input lag.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 3 2007, 10:21 PM)
I'm also an owner of the Dell E228WFP. Got it last week (took about 4 days from order). Quite pleased with the monitor, good value for money.

Mine is Rev A02 - how about everybody else? I read in another forum, apparently can tell which panel by looking at the last letter in the serial number. Mine ends in "S", what's yours?
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how to check for Rev no.?
and is it possible to determine the panel used?
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post Aug 3 2007, 11:11 PM

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Guys, i ordered LCD from Dell by phone today. Can i change my order to other model within 24 hours? sad.gif

And i just checked my temporary invoice they gave via email, my full name was not correctly spelled. Is it a big matter (for claiming warranty etc) ?

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Guys, I m planning to buy the Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP- HC 24" Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor. My current graphic card is AGP Radeon 9600XT. Can it support the 24" LCD monitor? My major task on it will be normal office works, internet browsing and movies. Not so into games. Please advice.
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QUOTE(mfa333 @ Aug 3 2007, 11:11 PM)
Guys, i ordered LCD from Dell by phone today. Can i change my order to other model within 24 hours? sad.gif

And i just checked my temporary invoice they gave via email, my full name was not correctly spelled. Is it a big matter (for claiming warranty etc) ?
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have u paid them yet? you can email back the sales assistance who sent u the email after u have placed the order, they ll reply u on tomorrow i think

QUOTE(Survivor @ Aug 3 2007, 11:17 PM)
Guys, I m planning to buy the Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP- HC 24" Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor. My current graphic card is AGP Radeon 9600XT. Can it support the 24" LCD monitor? My major task on it will be normal office works, internet browsing and movies. Not so into games. Please advice.
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should be no problem, just need to update driver if necessary
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Aug 3 2007, 11:26 PM)
have u paid them yet? you can email back the sales assistance who sent u the email after u have placed the order, they ll reply u on tomorrow i think
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i paid using CC. should be instant paid right? yeah, i already email back Lydia about this. Hope it not too late yet. Btw, they are working on Saturday?
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QUOTE(mfa333 @ Aug 3 2007, 11:40 PM)
i paid using CC. should be instant paid right? yeah, i already email back Lydia about this. Hope it not too late yet. Btw, they are working on Saturday?
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Their staffs at PCFAIR certainly do.

No they don't. DELL is 5 days a week work, certainly they are not some chinaman company who loves to squeeze every single juice out of their employees. But their dispatch delivers on Saturdays.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Aug 3 2007, 11:45 PM)
Their staffs at PCFAIR certainly do.

No they don't. DELL is 5 days a week work, certainly they are not some chinaman company who loves to squeeze every single juice out of their employees. But their dispatch delivers on Saturdays.
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that means they will only read my email on Monday? hmm.gif
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Some excerpts from this interesting article here from X-bit Labs.

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But when you come to think of it, many people are now transitioning to new large models from either 19" models with 1280x1024 resolution or from CRT monitors. Let's take a transition from a 19" LCD to the above-mentioned 215TW: the horizontal resolution has increased by a third (from 1280 to 1680 pixels), which means you have to shift your mouse farther to move its pointer from one edge of the screen to another - if the mouse settings have remained the same. That's where the feeling of "slow pointer" comes from. You can get the same feeling on your current monitor by lowering the pointer speed in three times in the mouse driver's settings.

It's the same with the failure to hit the buttons on the new monitor. Our nervous system is too slow to catch the pointer-above-the-button moment with the eyes and transfer a nervous impulse to the finger that presses on the mouse's left button before the pointer leaves the button. So, the accuracy of hitting the buttons is in fact reduced to a repetition of learned movements when the brain knows beforehand what movement of the hand corresponds to a specific movement of the pointer and with what delay the command to the finger should be sent so that the pointer was exactly above the necessary button when the finger presses the mouse. Of course, all these learned actions become useless when the resolution and the physical size of the screen change. The brain has to adjust itself to the new conditions and you'll be indeed missing the onscreen buttons for a while until this adjustment is accomplished. But this is in no way related to the monitor's input lag. Just like in the previous experiment, you can achieve the same effect by changing the sensitivity of your mouse. If you increase it, you'll be racing past the necessary button. And if you decrease it, you'll be stopping your pointer before reaching it. But the brain will adapt after a while, and you'll again be hitting the buttons with ease.


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The input lag problem is also aggravated by two things common of all people. First, many people are inclined to search for complex explanations of simple things. They prefer to think that a light dot in the sky is a "flying saucer" rather than an ordinary weather balloon or that the strange shadows in the NASA photographs of the Moon are proof that men have never landed there rather than are indicative of the unevenness of the moonscape. Any person who's ever taken an interest in the activities of UFO researchers and other folks of that kind will tell you that most of their alleged discoveries are the result of thinking out excessively complex theories instead just looking for simple, earthly explanations of phenomena.


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Here's my conclusion to this section:

A)  There is indeed an input lag on some monitors. The maximum value of the lag that I've seen in my tests is 47 milliseconds

B)  A lag of this value cannot be noticed at ordinary work or in movies. It may make a difference in games for well-trained gamers, but wouldn't matter for most other people even in games.

C)  You may feel discomfort after changing your monitor with a model that has a larger diagonal and resolution due to low speed or sensitivity of your mouse, low speed of your graphics card or due to the different size of the screen. However, many people read too much of forums and are inclined to blame the input lag as the cause of any discomfort they may feel with their new monitor.

Cutting it short, the problem does exist theoretically, but its practical effect is greatly overstated. An absolute majority of people won't ever notice a lag of 47 milliseconds, let alone smaller lags, anywhere.


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