Kepoh!

And there's usually an off topic comment like the one above which is usually more about the posters rather than the topic at hand...

Sigh.

Aren't you?

Sometimes off topic comments helps, sometime not. Sometimes it just helps to diffuse a situation, sometimes to fuel it. You could chose to ignore it you know. Or you could chose how you should be responding to it, in red fury or with blue coolness.

Trying to provoke a response.  That's what's known as trolling.. sigh

isn't what these boards are for?!!!

Idd, and I'm usually the first one to admit that I am.  I just get annoyed at trolling posts which don't purport to be trolling posts and have no attempt at humour in them.  See 80% of the 1250 posts in coffee thread.

umm they're doing 5 man non heroic content.  no need to get so elitist about specs... seriously

but no they don't have to take him if there's a better person available.  It's his choice if he doesn't want to spec for pve.

well, at the end of the day, it's still the player's choice on what he wants to do. admitting that one cannot play way is very hard on them. truth hurts. pride gets in the way.

stefanong, status update please. we're curious to know what happened.

xiaosin, everyone dramatic. even kidi and kurei. but different experiences being shared. noticed how if anyone says something not right, all these hardcore players are the first one to response? 

Hiya guys. Need some help from the gurus of warcraft here. I have always played clothies, mage/priest/warlock..but now i'm stumped.

I have a friend in the guild, dwarf warrior, that refuses to act as a tanker.

We have all reached level 70. We are all running lev 70 instances now and gearing up for 10man and perhaps 20+ man raids in the future but for some strange reason he refuses to respec.

His reasons:

1. I have all this elite gear and can churn out high dps. you actually think i'm crazy enough to sacrifice all that to become a punching bag?
2. I can tank well enough... I've been accumulating protection gear so all i need to do is wear em and switch to defensive stance (is this correct? i'm not sure)

Also as a warrior attempting to tank in arms specialisation, i find that he is unable to hold aggro. He claims in every instance run that its the fault of the mages (me included) for dpsing to early. So we let him get 5 sunders in, we release frostbolts & combination of arcane spells for threat reduction and guess what after two shots..mobs start running to us???

My priest OOMs in every run. He says the warrior is taking so much damage that his heals cant keep up and worse he is holy specced. This warrior also has a habit of not following Marks that have been assigned by the leader e.g. feels that he is uber enough to solo a single mob by himself when the rest of the team is resting..that kinda thing.

and whats even worse...he can't progress further than sethekk halls cos he still believes that he can tank??!!

He basically says we clothies have no idea what it takes to be a tanker.

So Main Tankers out there...please oh please tell me how one respecs and gears to be a good tanker cos I really am in the dark in advising my real life friend.

Help much appreciated.

Being a healer, one tends to remember good tanks and mediocre tanks. So, least healing required is Prot Tank < Fury < Arms. When I'm in a group with Arms Warrior, I tend to heal a lot more. Believe me, it's a lot more.

Whoever is tanking, they must be given a few seconds to gain enough aggro to hold the mobs. If non-tankers pull aggro, it's ok. Let them take a few hits. Because a good tank is able to pull them back to him. Look at Shattered Halls. The tank has to tank multiple mobs. The team will have to take a few hits, no choice, even if it means that your HP is going to drop by 50%. Deal with it - mentally of course.

Not following marks? Then the tank doesn't deserve to live. Let him die. Running instances or raiding is a group effort for survival. Whether he's tanking or DPSing, should be following instructions. If your team members can handle it good. If not, he shouldn't contribute to unnecessary stress.

I have a friend who is an Arms warrior who tanks. He's pretty good but even he says he has problems in BM when it comes to the 2nd and 3rd boss. Even with Prot gear. But he's ok tanking TK, CF, HP. This friend is also very interesting. He absolutely refuses to install addons or threatmeter but as he got to the higher level instances, he got threatmeter in the end, just so that he doesn't pull aggro off the tanks or that he knows what his own aggro is while tanking.

I have another friend, who is one of the best Fury/Prot warrior I've ever seen tanking. All DPS classes can continually cast spells (of course not the high-threat one but they do not need to wait  a few seconds before casting). But he decided to respec to Prot/Fury for heroics as it was easier to get through those instances that way as he did not have the gear.

Your friend sounds like he's literally gone into defensive mode. Being a good WoW player doesn't mean that you've already reach your match. A good player would try different specs/builds, different strategies, etc. It's expensive yes, but doable.

As for your healer going OOM, healing gets a lot easier at +1K heals. Below that figure, it can get hard. But if your healer is getting OOM by that tank in Sethekk Halls, because of him not following marks, eep. Downranking healing helps too. And I absolutely love Prayer of Mending.

He's not tanking if he's using bloodthirst.  And if he's getting critted in the first place, that's not exactly making him easier to heal is it? 

And yeah, that brings me back to the first post i made - no one should be forced into a spec.  But that also means that if your spec is not as useful to the group/raid/guild don't expect to see that much action.

i don't get it,

Why is everybody having pain respeccing to prot? once you hit enough people, you won't be bother doing normal 5 mans anymore, it will be raids and heroics.

sets and quaz are not arguing 
sohz what did you guys do last night?

Kepoh!
And there's usually an off topic comment like the one above which is usually more about the posters rather than the topic at hand...

Sigh.

Its used to be Healer > all in pug... but now it's different.

Tank > Shadow Priest > Healer > Dpser now...

Hmm... something must be wrong, wtb more heal spec pally/shammy/druid so all priest can respec to shadow.

(Me for one will never refuse to be shadow)

To me if the tank refused to be proc, and if there is no mage water, I'll remove myself from the grp to save my water bill. and put him on my never to grp again list.

lol...ok update guys...wah he was not a happy puppy when i sorta let him know about how to improve..i was diplomatic as possible...same shit like b4, mages/dpsers fault bla bla...clothies dont understand shit about warriors bla bla...sacrifice dps for a bunch of morons bla bla...

ugly story shortened:

looks like he will be playing his "farmer" warrior to get grind mats for alts and focusing on playing his rogue that he seems to like. Our guild would prob have to look elsewhere lol.

After running 5 man instances for some time, you can pretty much gauge what you are in for from the get-go. As much as i try to be the carebear friend but I really am fed up when after much explanation he still doesn't see the big picture. Unless you pvp, the natural progression is pretty much completing the instances for rep and gear to prepare you for larger man instances then raids...its inevitable or you would prob end up putting your character in cold storage and working on leveling another alt..but for how long?

Anyways, he put me on his ignore list, doesnt want to hear a single word from the guild and he has made it absolutely clear that he just doesnt give a flying f..fist about tanking. that pretty much sums it up lol.

if he's your RL friend and he /ignore you. I'd say bye bye, don't even bother befriending him. Waste of time.

dps warriors blow in dps meters due to the fact they have no aggro control nor aggro reduction... if you're a dps who can't dps, i dont see the fun in playing that

and no dont give me shit that a dps warrior can top dps meters, that only when u count trash mobs in. give a meter of the tops guilds where their fury warrior comes out on top then yeah, we'll take more dps warriors... till then... spec prot like you're supposed to