Long gone are the days of dw tankinggggggggggg. /sigh. If there was hamstring in defensive stance, tanking in 5man also becomeeeeee so easyyyyyyyy.

SCREAMING? WHO'S SCREAMING?

LOL my my...everyone is so into this game anyways its good to hear feedback from you guys. its like a chicken and egg situation now. See the tank is blasting and moaning and complaining that the rest of us dont support him. He wants to get better gear but cant cos no one wants to run instances...so i organise runs for him but he cant tank and the party wipes constantly...soon everyone is avoiding partying with him like the plague and back to square one he starts complaining again...lol

Its strange but he is also the first person that condemns shadow priests for being lousy healers in an instance run...sigh..so i guess his ego couldnt take it when the rest of the party suddenly turned around and told him that he was an awful tanker lol.

with your feedback at least i know what kind of gear to look out for and perhaps what enchants i could try and coax the warrior to get. That way he wont be frustrated at his constant death and plate repair bills and overall people wont freak out when they are asked to party with him to gear him up as a tank.

Great advice guys

if the warrior dont have at least 20 prot talents, i straight out reject.

if the warrior still loses aggro after 5 sunders is applied provided hes in the group having him armoried and confirmed at least 20 prot talent, ill also boot him during the middle of the run and replace him if im not in a good mood.

im a dagger rogue, last thing i need is shits smacking me and i totally cant mutilate anymore aka not dpsing. when i cant dps properly i get cranky. same would apply to non warrior tanks like feral druids or prot pala, but for me personally, i straight out reject prot paladin. too many bad experiences with them, no need to waste my time further in risking another pos prot pala.

even being this picky, i dont have too much problems getting group runnin anyways. with the who list and now auto lfg system... things isnt as hard as it seems to get groups running. so if you can provide urself to the table, ur out, and for the most part, the group/raid leaders wont even have any hesitations in replacing you, theres many otheres for example in this situation, willing to tank, willing to spec prot, willing to put up tanking gears. they know, if they can run the instance, they can get their dps gears, they can get their rep for more dps gears, and spec back n forth and ultimately progressing.


tell this to ur friend in a nice way, or just link him over lyn, let him realize this. truth hurts but its the best thing that you can give.

coming to this forum can occasionally scare ppl away. we are perceived as harsh.

so how ah?

this entire posting reminds me of the shattered halls question that was ask awhile back. boy, was that a long one.

kargath still cant masturbate

Tell your warrior if he wants more uber gear than what's he is wearing, respec protection for a month or two. Get all the gear from all the instances (and heroics), then go crazy with the new epixxx. And the faster he does this, the faster he gets the gear and the less time he needs to spend in Protection.

That is not to say Arms/Fury is not good, but from your description he's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed (you mentioned the Shadow Priest thingy). I've known many warriors who can tank very well with very few points in Protection (if any).

Make sure tho that you're also seeing his view. "Why should I be protection if the priest is shadow?" could be another reason. Be prepared to do the same if he asks that "you jump I jump" in respeccing.

Another factor is that the warrior could be his only toon. A Protection Warrior farming for gold & mats is like visiting the dentist. Offer to help him farm as another argument for respeccing.

Thus the fastest route for him to get gear is from instances, and the easiest way to do it is with min/maxing your group (pure tank, pure healer, and 3 dps/cc/support).

If he insists on being what he is, tell him that his playstyle is PVP, and that he can forget about grouping with you (or any other people) for heroics and such; and he can spend the rest of his WoW days doing AB, WSG and AV (teh horror!).

You're better off looking for a druid bear (who can farm, pvp, tank & dps all in the same talent tree).

being respec from fury to prot is pain at the beginning... when normally u can kill a mob fast when questing and suddenly it changes everything after respec... i used to be a arms warrior and have to respec to prot since my guildies need me to run instance... find it boring at first... but after a few weeks getting fun of the prot specs... i can do something funny/ crazy with my prot specs.. like tanking 7-8 lvl 71 elemental fires in elemental pleatau in nagrand with a priest... haha... well it merely kill us but we survive anyway... prot warrior always can do such fun stuffs with priest... hehe

raid kick
gkick
i sure as hell dont pay for his monthly subscription fee
but he doesn't pay the otehr 24 ppl who raids with him to wipe day after day after day due to his selfishnes

being a guild main tank, you get consumables sponsored... i dont see what's so pain in that

This post has been edited by sets84: May 11 2007, 01:08 AM

this is what i tell my guildies when they try to complain about my nazism or the "you dont pay my subscription" bullshit.

QFT right there

everything everybody says about arms/prot tanking or fury/prot tanking is bullshit... your idea of tanking is your surivability in when it comes to tanking... the only reason why ur still able to tank in those specs is not because ur good, ITS BECAUSE THE HEALERS ARE EXCEPTIONAL AND THE DPSERS ARE MINIMIZING THEIR DPS!

from my poitn of view as a dpser and a healer (i play both up to gruul, and goin on for mag now)...

DPSer - if my aggro chases yours, RESPEC!!
healer - if i cant heal the spike dmges u take, RESPEC!!

ur hampering the 9 (kara) or 24 (major raids) others full capabilities with your selfish mind set. if you're not full prot, i dont intend to see you in any raids unless we make room for 1 dpsing warrior. that also is just 1, to boost rogue's dps and synergise with other meleers (druids, rogues)... usually we are better off with none

and dont tell me dpsers should watch aggro... all fights are a dps fest right now, either you dps it down in a certain time or u die. watch aggro? no time for that... the only situation i've faced so far where the dpsers have to watch aggro is in gruul where the meleers have to be lower than the OT to not eat hateful strike. a test of measurement for your tps check, make a 3 warlock 2 shadow priest team, and make them push their maximum dps... the top 5 should be them, and the only threat reduction skill to be used is by the priest spamming fade whenever its up...
that group will contribute at least about 50% MINIMUM of your raid dps... and if you cant cater for them then ur in deep trouble.

yeah u can say wear kara epics and respec, but respec to go what raids? farm kara for anotehr 6 months...? congrats on your progression then.

This post has been edited by sets84: May 11 2007, 02:33 AM

umm they're doing 5 man non heroic content. no need to get so elitist about specs... seriously

but no they don't have to take him if there's a better person available. It's his choice if he doesn't want to spec for pve.

O.o sets84 is in Righteous Fury mode.

i don't get it,

Why is everybody having pain respeccing to prot? once you hit enough people, you won't be bother doing normal 5 mans anymore, it will be raids and heroics.

sets and quaz are not arguing


sohz what did you guys do last night?

hot buttsecks?

not really hard to figure out actually... the greatest responsibility one person can have in a raid is the maintank. then it will fall down to healers, then dps. if the tanking part already 'failed'. everyone follows down with him. and when people like this guy (the OP's friend) exist, makes you wanna bash something up real bad.

well, at the end of the day, it's still the player's choice on what he wants to do. admitting that one cannot play way is very hard on them. truth hurts. pride gets in the way.

stefanong, status update please. we're curious to know what happened.

xiaosin, everyone dramatic. even kidi and kurei. but different experiences being shared. noticed how if anyone says something not right, all these hardcore players are the first one to response?

usually ill ignore people like them, they are those type who refuse to listen to other people comments or afraid of changes

to me its a waste of time to try convincing people like him

Kepoh!

And there's usually an off topic comment like the one above which is usually more about the posters rather than the topic at hand...

Sigh.

Its used to be Healer > all in pug... but now it's different.

Tank > Shadow Priest > Healer > Dpser now...

Hmm... something must be wrong, wtb more heal spec pally/shammy/druid so all priest can respec to shadow.

(Me for one will never refuse to be shadow)

To me if the tank refused to be proc, and if there is no mage water, I'll remove myself from the grp to save my water bill. and put him on my never to grp again list.