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TSstefanong
post May 10 2007, 10:14 AM, updated 19y ago

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Hiya guys. Need some help from the gurus of warcraft here. I have always played clothies, mage/priest/warlock..but now i'm stumped.

I have a friend in the guild, dwarf warrior, that refuses to act as a tanker.

We have all reached level 70. We are all running lev 70 instances now and gearing up for 10man and perhaps 20+ man raids in the future but for some strange reason he refuses to respec.

His reasons:

1. I have all this elite gear and can churn out high dps. you actually think i'm crazy enough to sacrifice all that to become a punching bag?
2. I can tank well enough... I've been accumulating protection gear so all i need to do is wear em and switch to defensive stance (is this correct? i'm not sure)

Also as a warrior attempting to tank in arms specialisation, i find that he is unable to hold aggro. He claims in every instance run that its the fault of the mages (me included) for dpsing to early. So we let him get 5 sunders in, we release frostbolts & combination of arcane spells for threat reduction and guess what after two shots..mobs start running to us???

My priest OOMs in every run. He says the warrior is taking so much damage that his heals cant keep up and worse he is holy specced. This warrior also has a habit of not following Marks that have been assigned by the leader e.g. feels that he is uber enough to solo a single mob by himself when the rest of the team is resting..that kinda thing.

and whats even worse...he can't progress further than sethekk halls cos he still believes that he can tank??!!

He basically says we clothies have no idea what it takes to be a tanker.

So Main Tankers out there...please oh please tell me how one respecs and gears to be a good tanker cos I really am in the dark in advising my real life friend.

Help much appreciated.


TSstefanong
post May 10 2007, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(Kurei @ May 10 2007, 10:28 AM)
He's an anchor to ur group. Cut the rope and sail away. He's obviously lacks a brain on tanking. And elite gear w/o doin any 10-25mans? lol. Just laugh at him! =p
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Unfortunately for our guild he is one of two warriors amongst a sea of paladins. For some strange reason everybody loves playing pally here. And after a gear inspect, (shock horrors) his idea of epic gear is blue quest rewards...EEEeeek!

While you say a warrior can tank just by changing the gear and such without respeccing, i have seen him drop like a rock in front of Talon King Ikiss...i kid you not. (even with a priest healing him and only him overtime till OOM). I've seen the protection gear he bought with his cash (he is kinda proud that he has over 3k, which kinda seems ridiculous now that i think about it when the rest of us have been spending cash like water to respec and regear and he refuses to spend even 100g for an enchant or weapons...sigh) and they seem quite good with all that +def and all that. SO i dunno i think a respec is necessary too.

The other warrior has respecced to prot and reshuffled his gear accordingly.

Since the warrior i mentioned doesnt look like he is gonna change ever...do you have any tips on how i can groom/train/practise run with this other protection warrior...you know just to get him comfortable with tanking.

This post has been edited by stefanong: May 10 2007, 10:38 AM
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post May 10 2007, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(xiaosin @ May 10 2007, 10:36 AM)
i think that was his question....

my advice would be... get a new friend

like seriously  tongue.gif
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you know in all honesty...i am seriously considering it.
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post May 10 2007, 10:57 AM

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Thanks guys. I will do some reading from the link's you posted and thanks for the reminder kurei. It looks like he will remain casual for a very long time now. As it is, he can't even find a pug willing to take him to complete sethekk halls...let's not even talk about Steam Vaults, or even COT/tempest keep. I guess its just me trying to help a warrior who doesnt want to be helped lol.

thanks again guys

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TSstefanong
post May 10 2007, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ May 10 2007, 03:09 PM)
SCREAMING? WHO'S SCREAMING?

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LOL my my...everyone is so into this game smile.gif anyways its good to hear feedback from you guys. its like a chicken and egg situation now. See the tank is blasting and moaning and complaining that the rest of us dont support him. He wants to get better gear but cant cos no one wants to run instances...so i organise runs for him but he cant tank and the party wipes constantly...soon everyone is avoiding partying with him like the plague and back to square one he starts complaining again...lol

Its strange but he is also the first person that condemns shadow priests for being lousy healers in an instance run...sigh..so i guess his ego couldnt take it when the rest of the party suddenly turned around and told him that he was an awful tanker lol.

with your feedback at least i know what kind of gear to look out for and perhaps what enchants i could try and coax the warrior to get. That way he wont be frustrated at his constant death and plate repair bills and overall people wont freak out when they are asked to party with him to gear him up as a tank.

Great advice guys
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post May 11 2007, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(myremi @ May 11 2007, 09:28 AM)
well, at the end of the day, it's still the player's choice on what he wants to do. admitting that one cannot play way is very hard on them. truth hurts. pride gets in the way.

stefanong, status update please. we're curious to know what happened.

xiaosin, everyone dramatic. even kidi and kurei. happy.gif but different experiences being shared. noticed how if anyone says something not right, all these hardcore players are the first one to response?  hmm.gif
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lol...ok update guys...wah he was not a happy puppy when i sorta let him know about how to improve..i was diplomatic as possible...same shit like b4, mages/dpsers fault bla bla...clothies dont understand shit about warriors bla bla...sacrifice dps for a bunch of morons bla bla...

ugly story shortened:

looks like he will be playing his "farmer" warrior to get grind mats for alts and focusing on playing his rogue that he seems to like. Our guild would prob have to look elsewhere lol.

After running 5 man instances for some time, you can pretty much gauge what you are in for from the get-go. As much as i try to be the carebear friend but I really am fed up when after much explanation he still doesn't see the big picture. Unless you pvp, the natural progression is pretty much completing the instances for rep and gear to prepare you for larger man instances then raids...its inevitable or you would prob end up putting your character in cold storage and working on leveling another alt..but for how long?

Anyways, he put me on his ignore list, doesnt want to hear a single word from the guild and he has made it absolutely clear that he just doesnt give a flying f..fist about tanking. that pretty much sums it up lol.
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post May 11 2007, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(seen @ May 11 2007, 04:18 PM)
if he's your RL friend and he /ignore you. I'd say bye bye, don't even bother befriending him. Waste of time.
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wah talk about world of warcraft spilling into real life... biggrin.gif


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post May 17 2007, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(taingau @ May 15 2007, 04:04 AM)
To the OP, this might be late as ur friend is ignoring u now sad.gif  but maybe if u have a chance u can let him know some ideas i have.

Taking sethekk halls don't need u to be prot. No need to respec.
I think it is more on playing style.
Watch his playing pattern and tell him (if he is not doing)
(1) Taunt is his best friend. Loose aggro? Switch stance and spam it to get it back. (i presume he is not in def stance since he likes dps) All mobs are tauntable there. so he should be able to use it (10sec cooldown if i remember correctly and I presume he has no talent on prot tree)
(2) Use skills like mocking blow / challenging shout etc. Cool down is long but better than no one wanna party with you.
(3) Since he is 70, if possible try get def above 490 which will remove crit form ur dmg table & and have at least 25% shield block. Shield Block removes crushing blow. But this is not a game breaker in sethekk halls and might be tough for him.
(4) Be more mindfull on the situation. Mobs on healers? Taunt! Hamstring mobs so they run away slower. Switch target when mob is below 5% etc casters will nuke it and chances are it will die within the next sec or so and move on to next one (more time to build up aggro)
(5) Must have the following :-) SHIELD. More armour = less melee dmg = less mana healers need. Unless u r an expert u can tank in 2-hander but i doubt this is the case. At least whipped it out on boss fights
(6) NEVER think too much of DPS meter etc when u tank. (U said he just wanna finish sethekk halls right?) Take back ur ego and just go get the loots (farming)
Party survival is key.
(7) Remember to switch stances Intercept and intervene is key for last boss fight.
Need to get it off healers after the AOE. Int and TAUNT (best friend)
(8) Bring pots. Lots. Rage pots armour pots, health pots etc
(9) Spams attacks like HS/Sunders etc.
(10) As a party CC well. Resheep / traps /sap. Minimize stray mobs.
(11) buy him a book on shapes and tell him skull in general = ur target. If all else fails tell him that if u kill mobs in the following order Skull - X - Moon - Square etc, u get more DPS. It is a hidden programming code from Bliz.

Bear in mind that no matter what, ppl are going to pull aggro. Mages...pyro/POM/pyro...ouch
It is how fast the tank get it back that counts. TAUNT!!!

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wah tip 11 is classic! Anyways with tempers cooling down we are ok again as friends. I sent him the links about how to tank to him as well and i think he is doing a bit of research. Will prob get another team to run sethekk halls but...with a very experienced and well geared crew to compensate for my friend the arms warrior (yes he does not have a single point in prot which would prob explain his difficulty in using different moves to keep aggro).

thanks again guys for tips.

 

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