Being a healer, one tends to remember good tanks and mediocre tanks. So, least healing required is Prot Tank < Fury < Arms. When I'm in a group with Arms Warrior, I tend to heal a lot more. Believe me, it's a lot more.

Whoever is tanking, they must be given a few seconds to gain enough aggro to hold the mobs. If non-tankers pull aggro, it's ok. Let them take a few hits. Because a good tank is able to pull them back to him. Look at Shattered Halls. The tank has to tank multiple mobs. The team will have to take a few hits, no choice, even if it means that your HP is going to drop by 50%. Deal with it - mentally of course.

Not following marks? Then the tank doesn't deserve to live. Let him die. Running instances or raiding is a group effort for survival. Whether he's tanking or DPSing, should be following instructions. If your team members can handle it good. If not, he shouldn't contribute to unnecessary stress.

I have a friend who is an Arms warrior who tanks. He's pretty good but even he says he has problems in BM when it comes to the 2nd and 3rd boss. Even with Prot gear. But he's ok tanking TK, CF, HP. This friend is also very interesting. He absolutely refuses to install addons or threatmeter but as he got to the higher level instances, he got threatmeter in the end, just so that he doesn't pull aggro off the tanks or that he knows what his own aggro is while tanking.

I have another friend, who is one of the best Fury/Prot warrior I've ever seen tanking. All DPS classes can continually cast spells (of course not the high-threat one but they do not need to wait a few seconds before casting). But he decided to respec to Prot/Fury for heroics as it was easier to get through those instances that way as he did not have the gear.

Your friend sounds like he's literally gone into defensive mode. Being a good WoW player doesn't mean that you've already reach your match. A good player would try different specs/builds, different strategies, etc. It's expensive yes, but doable.

As for your healer going OOM, healing gets a lot easier at +1K heals. Below that figure, it can get hard. But if your healer is getting OOM by that tank in Sethekk Halls, because of him not following marks, eep. Downranking healing helps too. And I absolutely love Prayer of Mending.

This post has been edited by myremi: May 10 2007, 12:02 PM

very eh. put it this way, the other factor is the players' playstyle. Again, only from what I see. No, not making things up as this was only observations. Reasoning behind the observations, I'm open to what u guys are saying mah. Besides, all conclusions are up for discussion.

Tsk tsk Kidi, chill. Want ice-cream? I know it's a hot day but... Screaming at people?

Yah, those days of being Dual Wield Tanking were awesome to say the least, pre-BC. Although I did have an Arms Warrior saying to send in a Caster Pet in for tanking while she dual wield for DPS in a PUG. Was thinking that "Wah! Now that's a lot of expectations from everyone in the group. " It was a PUG through botanica with all complete strangers.

This post has been edited by myremi: May 10 2007, 02:52 PM

coming to this forum can occasionally scare ppl away. we are perceived as harsh.

so how ah?

this entire posting reminds me of the shattered halls question that was ask awhile back. boy, was that a long one.

O.o sets84 is in Righteous Fury mode.

well, at the end of the day, it's still the player's choice on what he wants to do. admitting that one cannot play way is very hard on them. truth hurts. pride gets in the way.

stefanong, status update please. we're curious to know what happened.

xiaosin, everyone dramatic. even kidi and kurei. but different experiences being shared. noticed how if anyone says something not right, all these hardcore players are the first one to response?

Aren't you?

Sometimes off topic comments helps, sometime not. Sometimes it just helps to diffuse a situation, sometimes to fuel it. You could chose to ignore it you know. Or you could chose how you should be responding to it, in red fury or with blue coolness.

You do like sighing at yourself a lot. Self-suffering? Or depression?

As for that coffee thread, if it wasn't there, it could have been worst. The 3 gals were hijacking threads unintentionally for our coffee meet up arrangements so created one where we could troll. Dunno how to work the PMs to multiple senders (function disabled?) so it ended up in LYN forum.

And see? U made me put up another offtopic comment. Bad boy kidi.

kidi and q : hai.... when i ask how is the update, kena tembak. when i ask for status update from d on account getting banned, no one said kepo.

stefanong : sorry to hear that. sometimes things like that do happen and it's harder when u're friends with that person. well, i try now to get ppl like your friend to actually speak to an experienced player rather than try to persuade them myself. mind you, sometimes it's hard for me to resist giving feedback so it does backfire.

gladys : sounds like me. very very evil. even if say lag, ppl never kick out from party, even when getting hit. so they put up with me.

This post has been edited by myremi: May 11 2007, 02:00 PM

hmm....backtrack to this one. wanted to find out more.

Scenarios happened over the weekend.

Scenario 1: Shattered Halls
Pally tank + pally healer. Pally tank had crusader of aura out. Pally healer decided to put seal of judgement during single mob pull. Mob switches to pally healer and pally tank cannot pull off.

In multiple mob pulls, pally healer seems to get pummeled more. I've run with the pally tank as well as some of the ppl who were in the team with no problems but that was Botanic/Mech where we don't see these problems happening.

Scenario 2 : Shadow Labs
2nd boss room pull. 4-5 man pull. Prot Tank pulls. Before tank can pick up, pally healer puts seal on 1st mob tank pulls. All 4-5 man switches target immediately to pally healer if no one started pulling their targets.

Pally healer then stops putting seals on any of the mobs. Still gets a lot of aggro. Same thing happens when Shadow Priest drops VE and Shadow Word:Pain - only in these 2 instances.

I've not seen Scenario 1 and 2 happening except for those 2 instances. Mech, Bot, SV : no problems. Just in those 2 instances (SL & SH) that it seemed easy to reach the aggro threshhold a lot faster?

glad to hear that things worked out fine in the end. and hope things will work out well for your group of friends too.

the road to epic phat lootz is closer and closer now.