haha i am ur future senior.

i remember i got the offer 1 week after the interview

financial problems proved too tough as I am an international student :/

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Added on October 3, 2012, 11:20 pmwow thats great. so u got the same results as me right? i wonder what went wrong in my interview then

This post has been edited by znlwinvk: Oct 3 2012, 11:20 PM

[quote=znlwinvk,Oct 3 2012, 11:17 PM]
financial problems proved too tough as I am an international student :/

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Added on October 3, 2012, 11:20 pm

But I thought you are going for pms program. A direct entry into your choice will outweigh the savings that you get.

it should be noted that there are 2 groups of med school in uk.....the ones which still charge normal fees for the pre-clinical years.....and the ones which now charge full clinical fees for the whole 5 years....

for the former, at about gbp15k/year for 2 years, it works out actually cheaper, gbp30k or rm150k, compared to imu's 40k X 5 semesters=rm200k......

however, for the later group, at full clinical fees of average 26k/year, it works out more expensive at rm260k......

the clinical component is the same for both pathways.....

interestingly, even the living expenses are not that much different.....in some cheap cities, one can live simply for 400quid/mth all inclusive, which isn't much more than living in kl....

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[quote=znlwinvk,Oct 3 2012, 11:17 PM]
financial problems proved too tough as I am an international student :/

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Added on October 3, 2012, 11:20 pm

But I thought you are going for pms program. A direct entry into your choice will outweigh the savings that you get.

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my financial situation has improved since when i was in the uk last year i m applying to imu cos i dont want to wait for another application cycle in uk, which will take another year...(course starting in sept 2013). and thats the exact reason why i dont want to get postponed to august intake as there wont be a difference for me anymore. plus it would mean that this year would have been a waste of time.

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Added on October 4, 2012, 11:20 ami just want to know if I am likely to get in or not.

This post has been edited by znlwinvk: Oct 4 2012, 11:20 AM

What happened to 2012 UCAS cycle?

That means you are hoping to get to UK in Sept 2015 or oz in Feb 2016.
An august intake may set you on a gap year.

exactly mate. and i dont want that. i HAVE to get in feb

Thought you missed it so I'm bringing it up again. Can you show me where you got this information?

400 quid a month? How is that possible?

When you mention it isn't much more than living in KL (I assume you converted 400 quid to ~RM2000), you did not factor in quality of living. I am sure with RM2000 a month in KL as a student, you can live very much luxuriously and far more comfortable than a student living in UK with 400 quid a month.

I dont think rent is included in the 400 quids.

If you are doing your own cooking, you can. Many of the food items are much cheaper than KL and the quality are comparable or better.

limeuu mentioned "all inclusive", so I assumed accommodation is included.

I have no idea about food prices in UK, but for me, I prefer to eat out for every meal (doable only in Malaysia). No cooking and more importantly, no cleaning!

If its all inclusive, I would like to know as well. It would be a nice place to squat for a month long holiday.

If you require hotel-like accommodation and food services, just pay.

in some cities, rentals can be as low as 50 quid a week, or just over 200 a month, plus utilities.....

if you buy food and cook, you can do with 20 quid a week shopping....food is generally cheaper in uk than oz.....

if you want to eat out everyday, then i suppose if that is your priority, stay in msia.....

Yeah seems like it, so it really might not be able to get me into PMS

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Added on October 4, 2012, 5:38 pmah i see, thanks for the information! i think i have to look for other options now

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Added on October 4, 2012, 5:40 pmoh man, you've got good grades, now i have one more person that i know of that will be placed above me any news from imu yet? have you tried calling them?

This post has been edited by swayforlife: Oct 4 2012, 05:41 PM

i did not miss it.....this was discuss in another thread some time ago....hence i wait and see if you would do some research yourself....

to simplify this, remember the a levels is a grading system, and atar is a ranking system....

assume a gaussian curve distribution for the cohort of students.....

assume students in uk are about the same as oz (and they probably are!).....the performance, intelligence, effort are about the same.....

when assessed, they are given different ways of expressing their performance....

in a levels, they are given grades....with little information about their relative performance.....

in oz year 12, they are given both, and the relative performance, or atar rank is the main result used for uni entry...

we know that 18% of a levels students get 3a.....ie, anyone with at least 3a will be amongst the top 18%, or atar 82 and above....

we know that 4% of students get 3a*, ie anyone with 3a* is ranked the top 4%, or atar 96 and above...

extrapolate between these 2, and you get an idea (very rough of course) where in the relative ranking you are....

don't bring in factors like content of the courses, obviously a levels has a wider/deeper content than year 12.....

remember, when uni select students, they want the best available....therefore ranking is what they want.....and they also need presumed knowledge (or requisite knowledge), hence may specify requirement eg, completion of, or minimum grades in requisite subjects.....

and for most courses, other than the basic presumed knowledge, the rest will be taught in the course itself.....having cover some topics in a levels makes it a bit easier in uni, but once the rest catches up, everybody is the same.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Oct 4 2012, 05:49 PM

I see.

I do not have the figures to back me up, but I would think there are far more A-Level candidates than there are for Australia's Year 12 candidates, which means top 5% in A-Level is not the same as the top 5% of Australia's Year 12. The top 5% in A-Level could very well be far better than the top 5% of Australia's Year 12.

Consider this. There are 10,000 A-Level candidates and 5,000 Australia Year 12 candidates. (example figures)

Top 5% of A-Level candidates = Top 500 candidates.

Top 5% of Australia Year 12 candidates = Top 250 candidates.

I believe it is significantly harder to best 9500 candidates (A-Level) than to best 4750 candidates (Oz Year 12).

However, it sounds ridiculous to say that the top 52.5% of A-Level candidates is equal to the top 5% of Oz's Year 12 candidates (better than 4750 candidates).

Therefore, I believe the percentage of candidates that score certain grades cannot be given an ATAR score based on the percentage only.

This post has been edited by SRLee: Oct 4 2012, 05:59 PM

So have you been sent notice for interviews yet? It should be around this time.

wrong logic....the gaussian curve is not dependent on numbers of subjects studied.....in fact, the bigger the numbers, the more the curve will approximate.....

it's not about beating how many other students.....it's about where you stand/what grade you will get, if one student from one system goes to sit for another system's exam....

the guy who beats 95% of his cohort of 50,000, will also beat 95% of another cohort of 100,000, if the 2 curves are similar.....ie, relative rank is independent of numbers, if the curves are the same......

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Added on October 4, 2012, 6:11 pmlet me express it another way......how would you express the a level result of aaa, in atar format?.....ie, how many students is the result aaa better than?.....given the fact that 18% of students get aaa or BETTER......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Oct 4 2012, 06:11 PM

Unfortunately, I failed my UMAT so no interviews for me. I'm waiting for CSU, JCU , Griffith University though as these universities do not consider UMAT when assessing applicants. Hopefully I get something. If not, I plan to enter medicine/dentistry as a non-stardard next year (2014 intake).

I understand that the higher the sample size, the more accurate the approximation.

But I don't think you can make approximations of ATAR score based on how many percent of A-Level candidates obtained certain grades. If it was possible to make such approximations, A-Level candidates will be considerably disadvantaged relative to Oz Year 12 candidates. If grades AAA are equal to an ATAR of 82, then grades AAA can only get you so far, although it is a good result. Additionally, SATAC considers AAA equal to an ATAR of 99.95. So I'm sure AAA's equivalent ATAR score is far more than 82.

EDIT: UAC and VTAC do not have a readily available A-Level-to-ATAR conversion table. I'm finding out QTAC's take on this. Please give me a moment.

This post has been edited by SRLee: Oct 4 2012, 06:18 PM

australia has always been more liberal towards the a levels, as only international students use this for entry, and they are quite keen to take in full fees paying students......

but they are starting to realise the ease in which people gets aaa, and revising their requirements.....until 2 years ago, there was no a*, and there was no way to differentiate which aaa is the better ones.....when 18% of students have that result.....surely someone in the top 1% is NOT the same as someone in the 82%ile, but both have the same result......how to tell them apart?......

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Added on October 4, 2012, 6:25 pmthere is no pass or fail in the umat/isat tests....but you have failed to meet the unis cut off requirements.....

and i thought csu and griffith are graduate entry?.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Oct 4 2012, 06:25 PM