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post Oct 3 2012, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 29 2012, 11:08 PM)
the pms undergraduate stream has now about 100 places....but they take in 120 or so, knowing about 20+% normally flunk out or repeat semester(s).....there are about 30-40 places for the pms graduate stream.....but not popular....

the imu local stream has license for 150 per batch i think, or a total of 300 a year.....

the pms undergraduate stream is the most popular and heavily subscribed, thus raising the minimum cut off.....with so many students with a* grades nowadays, aab may NOT make it anymore......

as an indication, while just 4 years ago, atar 91 will get in, but this year, the cut off was 95......(atar 95 is about a levels a*a*a equivalent)......
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May I ask where did you get this information from?
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post Oct 4 2012, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 29 2012, 11:08 PM)
as an indication, while just 4 years ago, atar 91 will get in, but this year, the cut off was 95......(atar 95 is about a levels a*a*a equivalent)......
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Thought you missed it so I'm bringing it up again. Can you show me where you got this information?

QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 4 2012, 11:08 AM)
interestingly, even the living expenses are not that much different.....in some cheap cities, one can live simply for 400quid/mth all inclusive, which isn't much more than living in kl....
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400 quid a month? How is that possible? rclxub.gif

When you mention it isn't much more than living in KL (I assume you converted 400 quid to ~RM2000), you did not factor in quality of living. I am sure with RM2000 a month in KL as a student, you can live very much luxuriously and far more comfortable than a student living in UK with 400 quid a month.
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post Oct 4 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Oct 4 2012, 04:58 PM)
I dont think rent is included in the 400 quids.

If you are doing your own cooking, you can. Many of the food items are much cheaper than KL and the quality are comparable or better.
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limeuu mentioned "all inclusive", so I assumed accommodation is included.

I have no idea about food prices in UK, but for me, I prefer to eat out for every meal (doable only in Malaysia). No cooking and more importantly, no cleaning! laugh.gif
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post Oct 4 2012, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 4 2012, 05:44 PM)
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I see.

I do not have the figures to back me up, but I would think there are far more A-Level candidates than there are for Australia's Year 12 candidates, which means top 5% in A-Level is not the same as the top 5% of Australia's Year 12. The top 5% in A-Level could very well be far better than the top 5% of Australia's Year 12.

Consider this. There are 10,000 A-Level candidates and 5,000 Australia Year 12 candidates. (example figures)

Top 5% of A-Level candidates = Top 500 candidates.

Top 5% of Australia Year 12 candidates = Top 250 candidates.

I believe it is significantly harder to best 9500 candidates (A-Level) than to best 4750 candidates (Oz Year 12).

However, it sounds ridiculous to say that the top 52.5% of A-Level candidates is equal to the top 5% of Oz's Year 12 candidates (better than 4750 candidates).

Therefore, I believe the percentage of candidates that score certain grades cannot be given an ATAR score based on the percentage only.

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post Oct 4 2012, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Oct 4 2012, 06:02 PM)
So have you been sent notice for interviews yet? It should be around this time.
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Unfortunately, I failed my UMAT so no interviews for me. I'm waiting for CSU, JCU , Griffith University though as these universities do not consider UMAT when assessing applicants. Hopefully I get something. If not, I plan to enter medicine/dentistry as a non-stardard next year (2014 intake).

QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 4 2012, 06:03 PM)
wrong logic....the gaussian curve is not dependent on numbers of subjects studied.....in fact, the bigger the numbers, the more the curve will approximate.....

it's not about beating how many other students.....it's about where you stand/what grade you will get, if one student from one system goes to sit for another system's exam....
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I understand that the higher the sample size, the more accurate the approximation.

But I don't think you can make approximations of ATAR score based on how many percent of A-Level candidates obtained certain grades. If it was possible to make such approximations, A-Level candidates will be considerably disadvantaged relative to Oz Year 12 candidates. If grades AAA are equal to an ATAR of 82, then grades AAA can only get you so far, although it is a good result. Additionally, SATAC considers AAA equal to an ATAR of 99.95. So I'm sure AAA's equivalent ATAR score is far more than 82.

EDIT: UAC and VTAC do not have a readily available A-Level-to-ATAR conversion table. I'm finding out QTAC's take on this. Please give me a moment.

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post Oct 4 2012, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 4 2012, 06:23 PM)
australia has always been more liberal towards the a levels, as only international students use this for entry, and they are quite keen to take in full fees paying students......

but they are starting to realise the ease in which people gets aaa, and revising their requirements.....until 2 years ago, there was no a*, and there was no way to differentiate which aaa is the better ones.....when 18% of students have that result.....surely someone in the top 1% is NOT the same as someone in the 82%ile, but both have the same result......how to tell them apart?......

Added on October 4, 2012, 6:25 pm
there is no pass or fail in the umat/isat tests....but you have failed to meet the unis cut off requirements.....

and i thought csu and griffith are graduate entry?.....
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I cannot find QTAC's A-Level-to-OP conversion table, but if I'm not mistaken, grades AAA is about equivalent to an ATAR of 94 if I'm not mistaken. [for international students]

It is true that international students have lower A-Level requirements to meet to be eligible. Domestic students require significantly higher grades to compete with other applicants with Oz Year 12 qualifications. For domestic students, maybe you are right in that AAA is equivalent to an ATAR of 82. It seems that way for UNSW, in that AAAB is equivalent to an ATAR of ~90 and A*A*A* is equivalent to an ATAR of ~95.

Yes, by "fail" I mean I failed to meet the universities' UMAT cut-offs.

I have been applying for dentistry as well, so the undergraduate courses that I mention are likely to be undergraduate dentistry courses. CSU's BDS and Griffith's dentistry and MBBS pathway is listed in the spoiler below.
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post Oct 9 2012, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(aong @ Oct 9 2012, 09:02 AM)
Well I hope to do my foundation programme there, and do my specialty thereafter - will take about 13 years in total including first 5.5 years in the bachelor's degree! And who told you UK degrees can't be recognised here. It has been reported that Aus are looking avidly for UK doctors BECAUSE their degrees are recognised. Australia are partners with the UK fyi. There has been a lot of exchange between the two countries, in terms of doctors moving down from the UK, and doctors moving up to the UK to work.
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Doctors not from Australia or New Zealand will have to be assessed by the Australian Medical Council before they can register with the Medical Board of Australia as doctors.

AMC Assessment Pathways: Click here

Medical Board of Australia's Types of Registration: Click here

For UK doctors, you may be able to obtain registration via the Competent Authority Pathway.

Also, you should keep in mind that internship shortage are happening in Australia, UK and Malaysia. You may not be able to get your internship in the UK by the time you graduate.
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post Oct 9 2012, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(aong @ Oct 9 2012, 11:40 AM)
Well.... whatever the case is, I always have dreamt of doing my training in UK, because it is world-class. Life is only given once - we must seek the best smile.gif I'm not disparaging Australia, but given parental and their financial support (at least for the MBBS alone), I would rather go there. Plus, I want to experience living in the UK for some time. If you're clever, you can always pass the tests to be registered by your own country again. I know you will say that there is a shortage of jobs for international students, but I will somehow find my way around. It's only 5 years from now before I graduate - hard to say too much. I'm more a British at heart than Australian, anyway. (sorry australians)
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If you want to practice in UK, study in UK.

If you want to practice in Australia, study in Australia.

If you want to practice in Malaysia, study in Malaysia.

Although you can actually practice world-wide, it is easier to study in the country you want to work in.

Since you want to work in the UK, then going to the UK is a good choice.

If you don't mind me asking, why don't you apply straight to the UK universities?

Are you staying in Malaysia at the moment, or have had a significant amount of time staying in Malaysia?
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post Oct 9 2012, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 9 2012, 12:16 PM)
i will be blunt here, and suggest perhaps a reason is inability to get direct entry into undergraduate oz med school....

don't worry, there is no shame in that, oz med schools is one of the most difficult to get in, and many aussies (pr and citizens) have taken your path before.... smile.gif

Added on October 9, 2012, 12:20 pm
it is NOT as simple as that....

people forget that 'practice' is work....and there are laws about who can work where....

these immigration laws are the one that will determine where you can work...and studying in that country does not mean you will automatically have right to stay on and work.....
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Maybe aong wants to live in the UK, therefore he chooses not to enter an Australian university.

Ah yes, my mistake for not being clear. I wrote what I wrote in the shoes of the country's citizen, i.e. UK citizen studying in UK, Aus citizen studying in Aus and Msia citizen studying in Msia [to practice in their own country].

International students will have to be aware of the laws, no doubt about that.
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post Oct 10 2012, 06:55 PM

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Where would I complete my internship if I apply to medicine as an international student (Australia) - Malaysia or Australia?

Can I choose to practice in Malaysia instead of going back to Australia (and complete my internship in Malaysia)?
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post Oct 17 2012, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(swayforlife @ Oct 17 2012, 11:09 AM)
I reckon it will be more likely that you will be given an internship position in Australia. I Remember they rank medical graduates as follow:

1. Aussie citizen/PR, Aussie med school graduate
2. Aussie citizen/PR, International medical graduate (IMG)
3. Non citizen/PR, Aussie med school graduate
4. Non citizen/PR, IMG
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Can you provide a link to your information?

It would be great if this is the case, but as an IMG, I will still have to jump through various "hoops" to register as a GP and practice in Australia.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 22 2012, 08:41 PM)
the umat/isat/ukcat/bmat are NOT iq tests....they are tests of logical and critical thinking, and of thinking speed....many high iq/academically excellent people do badly in this sort of tests....and it is exactly this, that the med schools want...to select out those with strong critical thinking skills from amongst the thousands of 'high iq' applicants.....
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post Nov 30 2012, 02:32 PM

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Question about IMU-PMS (Australia) dentistry course:

1. Do graduates get to work in Australia after they graduate?

2. Are there any difference between an IMU-PMS graduate and a non-IMU-PMS graduate (started uni in Australia)?

3. Are there any differences between the two aforementioned graduates in registering with the ADC?
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post Nov 30 2012, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 30 2012, 04:29 PM)
yes, if you get a job....

no...

no...

Added on November 30, 2012, 4:30 pmof course, if one is an oz citizen or pr, one CANNOT match to oz or nz dental school....
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Dentistry graduates do not have internships or any compulsory service requirements in Australia.

So if one decides to start a private practice straight out of university, is that considered as a job?
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