i was not critising him.

i am just stating the fact that, he's friend is not poor enough for IMU's scholarship.

am not sure whether ur stating it based on facts, or based on ur gut feelings. Do u know what is the criteria for IMU scholarship, or does IMU even offer a dentistry scholarship? urgh and btw the difference between 30k and 11k is 19k, and the difference between 30k and 500k is 470k. U cant judge ppl just because they go to taylors. Period.

ok i just checked the website. no dentistry scholarship at all. case close.

...its already a public perspective that if you go taylors, you are no where 'poor'.

Just for info. Someone got a scholarship for IMU in medic in the recent intake. Parents are retired govt servants. But there is a bond of 7 years to do research.

That's a good news! yay.

Hmm wgy i believe that the residency application has ended for this year?

Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion. But my gut feeling is, if people are going to take a vote as to whether they consider your friend 'rich' or 'poor', many would not consider him poor because he spent RM30K on A Level when he could do free STPM. So there you have it, many people would think the one doing STPM is poorer than your friend so more justifiable to get financial sponsorship than your friend.

Now if your friend is brilliant but not that brilliant, he should have access to some sort of financial loan which have to be repaid back later.

On the other hand, if your friend is truly brilliant and got offer to do medicine or dentistry at Cambridge or some top universities etc, then your friend is certainly entitled to have financial scholarship because in true meritocracy, merit scholarship should be awarded without any reference to race, color or social status (wealth) as a reward & recognition for excellence. Period.

In other word, even if your friend have a billionaire as a father, he is still entitled to merit scholarship. IMO, many people can not differentiate between merit scholarship and study loan thinking rich student are NOT entitled to merit scholarship. Only in Communist country are brilliant but rich student being denied merit scholarship. I think they called such student "undesirable landlord" class or "working people's enemy" or something like that. To be despised and spitted upon. But from reading the news, many people think Malaysia is a Communist country insisting those who are rich should not be given merit scholarship. Now I am getting very confused myself. Are we are aren't we a communist country?

Here's a good example by some well meaning person "Scholarships should be awarded on merit, and if at all, certainly not to rich students". This is an oxymoron statement because it goes against the very definition of meritocracy. On the one hand, he said it should be awarded on merit. On the other hand, being rich is a disqualification regardless of how full of merits he/she is.
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/03/sto...or-acca-abroad/

The fact that it was posted on DAP supremo blog might suggest DAP/Pakatan do not support true meritocracy like the BN, despite what they claimed to be championing meritocracy. God help us. We sure is a nation of many very confused people who shouted "meritocracy" aloud but never even bother looking up in the dictionary the definition of "meritocracy".

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 1 2010, 10:07 PM

it has closed for final year graduate, but still open for current HO/MO

I guess going to a cheaper dental school is the best way for your friend............. 500K is half a million........ Even if you sell a house, also need a semi-d at Petaling Jaya................. PTPTN will only loan out 100k to dental students....... Plus other loans that your friend may be able to take up, the most will be a total of 200k only.....................

And believe me, he won't like the feeling to be dead dried up because of choosing Medicine or Dentistry........ A lot of us are almost dried up to be honest.............

AIMST and Manipal would be better alternatives........... IMU can throw out of the window liao if he really can't afford........... I hope russia and indonesia are not part of his desirable destination..........

Apparently, there is an A-level scholar in IMU... he paid for the A-lvl, not by scholarship.

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Added on October 2, 2010, 9:39 amIf paying RM 500K only cost you 5% of your wealth, then you shouldn't be given a scholarship, regardless of race or ethnicity. Do not bring politics into this thread.


This post has been edited by Gorila_: Oct 2 2010, 09:39 AM

Do you not know that scholarships are not all about money?

Do you not know how good a scholarship looks on your CV? Do you not know that employers are more likely to hire you if you hold a prestigious scholarship?

Have you heard of the Rhode's Scholarship?

Should an excellent student be denied the benefits of a scholarship just because of his/her wealthiness?

This post has been edited by zltan: Oct 2 2010, 12:15 PM

optiplex has a point which some have misunderstood.........

there are basically 2 types (or extremes) of scholarship, which by the word itself, means an excellent student receiving assistance in education....

on one extreme is merit scholarship, ie one based purely on principles of meritocracy........an example would be say getting a harvard university entrance and scholarship, or locally, the 'ivy-league' jpa scholarship where if you get accepted into oxbridge, jpa will give you a scholarship, even if the parents are millionaires.....

on the other extreme is needs based scholarship, ie based on the financial needs of the student.....in msia, the extreme example is the nep based gov scholarships like mara, where it is assumed that ALL malays are poor......

in real life, it usually a mixture of both principles being used to select scholars.....and individual scholarships will have their own criteria for selection........

afaik, the imu medical scholarship is a mixed type, they look for excellence, as well as needs.......and i suspect veering more towards needs.... so if that friend in taylors is indeed financial handicapped (and that is easy to fit in, considering the size of full fees!) and is excellent academically, say with a*a*a*, he will have a good chance.....

note that the imu medicine scholarship is for mbbs(imu) not pms.....

but optiplex's point of the real merit based scholarship stands.......in such a scholarship, it matters not how much money the parents have.....

Spoke like a true Communist (hence bringing in politic) whereby anyone with money are the devil.

Merit scholarship or meritocracy, by it's very definition is the awarding of scholarship based purely on merit (aka, how smart or capable you are). There should be no race issue. No money issue. No religion issue. No politic issue. etc.

By referring to money means you do not understand the term "merit scholarship" or meritocracy.

Don't take my word for it. Go pick up a dictionary and find out for yourself the definition of meritocracy. You might learn something today.

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Added on October 2, 2010, 1:36 pmLOL. Student himself do not have the money lah. It's his parent having the money so I reckon is this what they called the biblical "sin of the parent"? Oh dear, now I am bringing religion into this thread

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 2 2010, 01:37 PM

My answer is yes. Government's money should be spent on someone that needs it the most. All of you know scholarships are limited. Giving it to someone that clearly can afford it means nothing. If you say that is to prevent brain drain, doesnt make sense at all. They can simply buy of that bond after graduation, with extra cash from the fixed deposit interest.

Giving a bowl of rice to a person who is eating a 9 course dinner and another guy who has starved for 3 days will be different.

Let's make a hypothetically extreme example. Assuming there are 2 students.

Student A's father is a millionaire. He got A* A* A* and got accepted into Harvard. According to your reasoning, our government should not give him scholarship because his father is rich. Recognizing talent, instead Harvard gave him a scholarship so he went to Harvard. Do you think he would want to come back to Malaysia after finishing study? You seems to support the notion of kicking out our talent.

Student B father is a beggar and he got DDD and got accepted into a university no one have ever heard of in Indonesia. By your reckoning, government should give him a scholarship because his father is poor, never mind he has not much talent. After study, he came back to work for government. Now tell me, how is Malaysia going to progress to higher income society by doing the above?

Now here is another thing you may not realize. All high income & advanced countries in the world recognizes talent and will do almost anything to attract talent from all over the world with disregard on how poor or rich or how nasty (remember the Nazi scientist?) they are. Give them scholarship. Give them citizenship. Find them pretty wife (well, this part I made it up). Whatever it takes. That's how countries like USA becomes a powerhouse and even Singapore is opening doing it to attract Malaysian talent.

Now what I describe above are just hypothetical example of extreme nature but they are nevertheless, not nice. But that's reality we have to put into practice if we do indeed want to be an advanced and high income society.

Like I said, many people do not understand the different between merit scholarship and study loan. They serve 2 different purposes. Of course Malaysia being Malaysia Boleh, we think we are better than USA and every other advanced countries. So we kick out our talent and while doing that, may as well do the Communist thing by kicking out all the rich people. And roll out our red carpet to welcome the less talented but desirably poor Indonesian to our shores.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 2 2010, 03:57 PM

gosh, seems like a debate is going on here. I don't mean to trigger a debate, but u guys seem to misunderstand the purpose of my question. I m asking for whether there is anymore scholarship for dentistry to be applied by my friend. apart from that, after checking through ptptn website, they only give loan of 20k per year maximum, which i think is still not enough for my friend as he thought that ptptn would give a loan of half of his fee in imu. Well, i didn't say he is very poor, just that he is facing financial problem now. He dare not challenge his future with stpm as we all know that it is really hard to score. That is also one of the reasons why he goes taylor's. Well, paying a few thousands per semester is different when you have to pay a few tenth of thousands per semester. It's really a huge sum of money for him. I am seeking for help for him, as he really wants to go imu. If none of you can help out, then it's alright cheers.

Then he just have to look around for a cheaper alternative. I was told IMU is relatively more expensive.

IMU doesn't even have a dentistry scholarship to begin with.

nor does Manipal, or PIDC.

cheapest option left would be indonesia or russia.

Hey guys,

Is dentistry in IMU less popular than Medicine? Or is it tougher to enter as compared to Med? I was surprised to see only 2 person from my college got in for Dentistry but 10 odd something for medicine this year

because people think medicine leads to better and brighter future compared to dentistry.

nothing wrong with IMU's dentistry.

Thanks for the info.

Erm 1 question, if I twin to Uni of Sydney, can I work in Aussie or HongKong or any other country for that matter? Or will I need to take some sort of qualification paper in that respective country I wanna work in?

Thanks!