If Aussie uni you wanted, why not consider Monash Malaysia U? Their degree are recognized by Australian medical council. But not by Malaysia (for the time being) and Singapore.

Monash Malaysia.

1. Malaysian government will only do recognition assessment after their 1st batch of student having graduated. Since none has graduated yet, so technically not recognized.

2. Singapore will not recognize. Say what you want but their website specifically says so.

IMO, getting Malaysian recognition is a sure thing, just take a bit of time.

But I am not sure about Singapore. The way I looked at Singapore, why should she recognize MM? There are 18 medical university in Australia and only 10 or so got recognized. What more, MM is not even in Australia.

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Added on October 15, 2008, 9:16 amSingapore website specifically say setup like MM is not recognized.

The website further mentioned, for twinning program, the final Clinical year MUST be done in the original country. Going by that definition, Penang Medical twinning program is not recognized but IMU's are.

Here is the cut & paste from the website:

ii) Twinning Programmes - IMGs from recognized medical schools with offsite campuses in the preclinical years
• Such doctors must pass their final medical examinations in the primary medical school (as listed in the Schedule) of the country of origin after completing the clinical years in the medical school of the country of origin before they can be considered for provisional, conditional or full registration in Singapore.
• Additionally where there is a national licensing examination as in (i) above, the IMGs will be expected to pass such licensing examination before SMC considers their applications for medical registration.

iii) Twinning Programmes - IMGs from schools with off-site campuses for the entire course or for the clinical years
• Medical schools off-site from the main campus e.g. in another city or country either for the whole course or for the clinical years will not recognised by SMC with immediate effect. Where invited, the SMC may reassess the programme for accreditation in future or if there is a change in training arrangements for such medical schools.
• For doctors from such schools currently admitted into our register and granted provisional registration by SMC, conversion to conditional registration will only be contingent on good assessment reports and an offer of employment by one of the healthcare clusters.
• Singaporean medical undergraduates who have been admitted to such medical colleges prior to this announcement would also be given consideration for provisional medical registration in future in order not to penalize them.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 15 2008, 09:16 AM

Look at it this way....Malaysia's logic.....Malaysia will accept all the talents around the world regardless of race, religion and sex. We practice meritocracy but not Singapore.

Saying that with a very straight face and refrain from laughing.

Are you going to do twinning in IMU? If yes, why not go direct to overseas because UK and AUS money has dropped to such low level that it may be more worth considering now.

That much difference

But Warwick is new and not yet recognized by Malaysia.

Not sure about toughness but the better colleges like Taylor or Methodist College KL have >30% of their student getting AAA at A Levels. So I reckon it should not be too hard.

If you find ABB too tough for you, may be medicine is not for you.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 31 2009, 08:34 AM

Off topic. I once asked some Buddhist how come the Pureland Amitaba teaching is so fundamentally different from Gautama Buddha's. Never get a satisfactory answer.

There may be other reason why they wanted to 'borrow' Melb's PBL cases. Here's a few possibilities:

1. Some people called PBL teaching-on-the-cheap. May be they want to save money also?
2. No point re-inventing the wheel.

I believe this is a win-win arrangement for both IMU and these overseas medical school.

Here's my rationale.
Assuming Nottingham uni can only take in 300 student for Year1. When it gets to Year3, 20 of them would have dropped out due to either personal reasons or having failed their examinations alone the way. And these 20 places can then be given to IMU.

Off topic. People accept the fact that medical school can be called 'school'. Except in Malaysia, anything without ending with the word "university" must be lousy. Tell them you go to King's or Imperial College and they think it is not a proper university.

Going to a London School.....of Economic? There are plenty of school in Malaysia, why go to London?

Lack of teaching is happening in UK uni also. Saw a report about that recently.

This reminded me of a letter written to a national newspaper. The writer is just a normal civil servant and he makes great monetary sacrifices to send his student to university. While his boss who are of a different race who got higher pay can't do so unless given scholarship.

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Added on May 28, 2009, 3:40 pmOne interviewer once told me...when asked why he/she is doing medicine....the reply was....my parent told me to do it.



This post has been edited by Optiplex330: May 28 2009, 03:40 PM

I read Australia is very short of doctors and just a couple of years ago, newly graduated international student were being offered job which wasn't the case before. And Australia been going round the world asking past Australian qualified doctors now working overseas to go back to Australia. So how come not enough HO post?

Care to elaborate on this further? Only apply to those who did all 5 years in UK or even those on IMU-twinning program?

I agree. I could never understand how could a person call himself poor if he can do A Level instead of the free STPM. What more, at the expensive Taylor and everything around it.

30K is still 30K too much if you are really poor.

Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion. But my gut feeling is, if people are going to take a vote as to whether they consider your friend 'rich' or 'poor', many would not consider him poor because he spent RM30K on A Level when he could do free STPM. So there you have it, many people would think the one doing STPM is poorer than your friend so more justifiable to get financial sponsorship than your friend.

Now if your friend is brilliant but not that brilliant, he should have access to some sort of financial loan which have to be repaid back later.

On the other hand, if your friend is truly brilliant and got offer to do medicine or dentistry at Cambridge or some top universities etc, then your friend is certainly entitled to have financial scholarship because in true meritocracy, merit scholarship should be awarded without any reference to race, color or social status (wealth) as a reward & recognition for excellence. Period.

In other word, even if your friend have a billionaire as a father, he is still entitled to merit scholarship. IMO, many people can not differentiate between merit scholarship and study loan thinking rich student are NOT entitled to merit scholarship. Only in Communist country are brilliant but rich student being denied merit scholarship. I think they called such student "undesirable landlord" class or "working people's enemy" or something like that. To be despised and spitted upon. But from reading the news, many people think Malaysia is a Communist country insisting those who are rich should not be given merit scholarship. Now I am getting very confused myself. Are we are aren't we a communist country?

Here's a good example by some well meaning person "Scholarships should be awarded on merit, and if at all, certainly not to rich students". This is an oxymoron statement because it goes against the very definition of meritocracy. On the one hand, he said it should be awarded on merit. On the other hand, being rich is a disqualification regardless of how full of merits he/she is.
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/03/sto...or-acca-abroad/

The fact that it was posted on DAP supremo blog might suggest DAP/Pakatan do not support true meritocracy like the BN, despite what they claimed to be championing meritocracy. God help us. We sure is a nation of many very confused people who shouted "meritocracy" aloud but never even bother looking up in the dictionary the definition of "meritocracy".

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 1 2010, 10:07 PM

Spoke like a true Communist (hence bringing in politic) whereby anyone with money are the devil.

Merit scholarship or meritocracy, by it's very definition is the awarding of scholarship based purely on merit (aka, how smart or capable you are). There should be no race issue. No money issue. No religion issue. No politic issue. etc.

By referring to money means you do not understand the term "merit scholarship" or meritocracy.

Don't take my word for it. Go pick up a dictionary and find out for yourself the definition of meritocracy. You might learn something today.

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Added on October 2, 2010, 1:36 pmLOL. Student himself do not have the money lah. It's his parent having the money so I reckon is this what they called the biblical "sin of the parent"? Oh dear, now I am bringing religion into this thread

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 2 2010, 01:37 PM

Let's make a hypothetically extreme example. Assuming there are 2 students.

Student A's father is a millionaire. He got A* A* A* and got accepted into Harvard. According to your reasoning, our government should not give him scholarship because his father is rich. Recognizing talent, instead Harvard gave him a scholarship so he went to Harvard. Do you think he would want to come back to Malaysia after finishing study? You seems to support the notion of kicking out our talent.

Student B father is a beggar and he got DDD and got accepted into a university no one have ever heard of in Indonesia. By your reckoning, government should give him a scholarship because his father is poor, never mind he has not much talent. After study, he came back to work for government. Now tell me, how is Malaysia going to progress to higher income society by doing the above?

Now here is another thing you may not realize. All high income & advanced countries in the world recognizes talent and will do almost anything to attract talent from all over the world with disregard on how poor or rich or how nasty (remember the Nazi scientist?) they are. Give them scholarship. Give them citizenship. Find them pretty wife (well, this part I made it up). Whatever it takes. That's how countries like USA becomes a powerhouse and even Singapore is opening doing it to attract Malaysian talent.

Now what I describe above are just hypothetical example of extreme nature but they are nevertheless, not nice. But that's reality we have to put into practice if we do indeed want to be an advanced and high income society.

Like I said, many people do not understand the different between merit scholarship and study loan. They serve 2 different purposes. Of course Malaysia being Malaysia Boleh, we think we are better than USA and every other advanced countries. So we kick out our talent and while doing that, may as well do the Communist thing by kicking out all the rich people. And roll out our red carpet to welcome the less talented but desirably poor Indonesian to our shores.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 2 2010, 03:57 PM