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post Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM, updated 8y ago

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I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.

This post has been edited by Leo.Lee: Mar 13 2018, 04:28 PM
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post Jan 17 2018, 11:31 AM

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The keyword for this is "MODERATION"
Too much of something is not always good. So just give your lovely wife those healthy foods everyday. Don't think too much.
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post Jan 17 2018, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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Google and you shall find.. innocent.gif

Study shows not the type of fish, but where the fish comes from.. but of course, fish who eat fish (carnivorous) usually have higher mercury levels as they are concentrated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4334092/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/27...nsular_Malaysia

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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why not use supplements if got concern?
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Not only pregnant.. if lifetime eat mercury tainted fish.. in kids and adults will lead to future complications..

Unless you avoid seafood altogether..

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i guess one needs to eat a lot of fish to get mercury poisoning...BTW, don't drink water also cos i heard got a lot of female hormones in our water
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their findings showed high mercury intake by fishermen families at the rural areas compared to the general adult population


Depends on lifestyle..

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Freshwater in Malaysia is patin, keli, temoleh, ikan hantu and few others. Chinese names are patin, tong sat, soon hock, Tak you lei. Other species edible is wan yue and wang bu liao . Empurau.

Most is farmed except temoleh and wang bu liao which is still natural for now. Mercury comment is higher cause most farms do not wash their sangkar.

Marine edible species too many to name. Snapper and grouper the most common . That alone also variety of species and mostly farmed.

Jenahak, kerapu, bawal, siakap, ikan merah, semilang, etc etc are some of the more common ones. Red snapper, golden snapper, mutton snapper, mangrove Jack, tiger grouper, Goliath grouper, hybrid grouper, barramundi.
Chinese is the pan family , Lou Fu pan , sekpan , loong Dan for grouper and Zhou family is hung Zhou, Kam Zhou , pak Zhou for snapper family. Siakap is common species.

Most Marine fish are farmed as well.
Hybrid grouper is a cross between tiger and Goliath and hence is what you are eating in most of the restaurants. But they still coin it as sek pan, even though it's already crossed hybrid between 2 species.
Ok?

Mercury content depends on which Waters and which farm and their water structure.
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Anyway.. not only Mercury.. but lead, arsenic, cadmium.. is also a concern..
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so those who are vegetarian cannot pregnant?
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QUOTE(hungheykwun @ Jan 17 2018, 11:39 AM)
so those who are vegetarian cannot pregnant?
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Tilapia I didn't mention cause it's not worth mentioning. Cod and salmon not available in msian Waters . Cobia, parang, gt all is game fish. Mekong is game fish.
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bottom feeder and big fish more mercury as they live longer, eat more little fish with mercury. Eat sharkfin, very high mercury, die faster.

Eat salmon, less mercury, wallet cry... but good
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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Hi, I am no expert but I know some of the information that you needed. So, bear with me for my long essay. thumbup.gif tongue.gif

Omega 3
Yes, the advice to consume more fish which is high in Omega 3 does help baby and young kids’ brain development. It also helps adults’ brain in a way of preventing dementia (also some other brain related disease), heart disease and some other illnesses. However, the brain beneficial Omega 3 actually refers to 2 out of 3 types of Omega 3 which is called docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA). The third types are called alpha-linolenic acid (ALA). This is why the milk powder for infants and children are fortified with DHA and EPA. Noted that food that is fortified with DHA & EPA and Omega 3 supplements are no match for natural sources.

The sources which contain DHA & EPA are definitely come from meat or animal based. The animal based that have highest DHA & EPA are the marine animal (includes seals & whales) especially those oily fish which live at colder region because they need to keep a lot of fat in their body in order to thrive in cold region. Freshwater fish that live in colder region also have high amount of DHA & EPA compare to our tropical freshwater fish but lower compare to marine/saltwater fish that live in cold region. Other animal based that contain DHA & EPA but in lower content includes grass-fed cow & chicken egg.

The alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is usually found in plant such as walnut, flaxseed, chia seeds, soy, leafy greens and etc. Plant based contain little to none at all of DHA & EPA. As such, I don’t recommend to eat more plant in your search for beneficial DHA & EPA. I didn’t mean that ALA is bad for your health. ALA is also beneficial to human health in other ways and our body need ALA to transform it into DHA & EPA. However, this transformation of ALA into DHA & EPA in animals and human are not efficient.

All animal includes fish and human are only able to convert ALA into tiny amount of DHA & EPA. However, oily fish able to contain the highest amount of DHA & EPA by accumulation. It mean that ALA which contain in aquatic plant such as phytoplankton, algae, seaweed and etc are being eaten by small fish that convert ALA to DHA & EPA which lead to being eaten by medium fish which not only taken in the DHA & EPA from the small fish but also convert some ALA into DHA & EPA in its own body and so on until it reach the top of the food chain, the apex predator in the ocean such as tuna, salmon, mackerel and etc. Fish that live in cold water would save a lot of this ALA, DHA & EPA in its own body as part of its body fat while tropical fish didn’t save much.

Mercury
Mercury itself is a naturally occurring element that is present throughout the environment and in plants and animals but human industrial activity (such as coal-fired electricity generation, smelting and the incineration of waste) boost up the amount of airborne mercury which eventually finds its way into lakes, rivers and the ocean, where it is gobbled up by unsuspecting fish and other aquatic. This is one of the reasons that mercury contents in animal especially in fish are raising.

For your information, mercury usually refers to as inorganic form while the mercury in fish are the more toxic organic form called methylmercury but I will just refers it as mercury. It is true that freshwater actually contain more mercury than saltwater. However, it doesn't mean that freshwater fish have higher level of mercury than saltwater fish. Because in freshwater, mercury tends to latch onto decayed plant and animal matter, where sunlight can easily break it down. However in saltwater, mercury latches onto chloride (salt), where sunlight has less of an effect on those bonds. By being longer in saltwater, it increases the chance that a fish will ingest more of the mercury.

Once mercury gets into the marine food chain, it “bioaccumulates” in the larger predators in a same way as how Omega 3 accumulates. That’s why larger fish are generally riskier to eat than smaller ones. Fish not only accumulate mercury from consuming smaller fish. All fish absorb mercury from the water that passes through their gills. The longer the fish lives, the more mercury it will bio-accumulate. As such, species of fish that live in saltwater where mercury does not break down easily by the sunlight, long-lived and/or high on the food chain contain higher concentrations of mercury than others.


Solutions / Guides
As I mentioned earlier, mercury exist in our environment, plants and animals. It is just a matter of the level of mercury concentrations. As such, you could always choose fish which is low in mercury but high in Omega 3. Unfortunately for us, Malaysia doesn’t really that strict or efficient in providing an easy access and detailed list of mercury content in local fish (especially freshwater fish). The list below is from USA release by their U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Please be noted that since the list is from USA, the type of fish listed might be different/different name from what we know in Malaysia and/or Asia. (e.g. lobster - they refers to saltwater variety, the freshwater variety are called crayfish/crawfish in USA, bass such as sea bass, black bass are not our Asian Sea Bass/Barramundi/Kim Bak Lor).

Highest Mercury Fish
Pregnant and nursing women and young children should avoid fish high in mercury, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). High mercury fish to steer clear from include:
• Tilefish
• King mackerel
• Shark
• Swordfish
• Marlin
• Orange roughy
• Ahi Tuna
• Bigeye tuna

High Mercury Fish
While not the highest in mercury, you’ll still have to limit these mercury-containing fish to three 6-ounce (170g) servings (or less) per month.
• Spanish mackerel
• Gulf mackerel
• Albacore tuna
• Yellowfin tuna
• Sea bass
• Bluefish
• Grouper

Low to Moderate Mercury Fish
These fish contain low to moderate amounts of mercury, so it’s generally safe to eat up to six 6-ounce (170g) servings each month.
• Striped bass
• Black bass
• Saltwater bass
• Mahi Mahi
• Lobster
• Fresh water perch
• Sea trout
• Canned light tuna
• Skipjack tuna
• Cod
• Halibut
• Trout
• Whitefish

Lowest Mercury Fish
If you’re concerned about ingesting mercury from fish, choose fish lowest in mercury — especially if you’re pregnant or nursing. Low-mercury fish are excellent choices for children as well. The FDA says you can enjoy up to 12 ounces (340g) of low-mercury fish per week if you’re pregnant or nursing.
• Salmon
• Herring
• Haddock
• Anchovies
• Butterfish
• Crab
• Clam
• Crawfish
• Catfish
• Croaker
• Flounder
• Chub mackerel
• Atlantic mackerel
• Oysters
• Pollock
• Perch
• Mullet
• Mussel
• Rainbow trout
• Freshwater trout
• Sardines
• Shrimp
• Scallops
• Squid
• Sole
• Tilapia

Best for Pregnant Women
Not all low-mercury fish are high in omega 3 fatty acids, which are fats needed for proper brain development in babies and children — and important for brain health in adults. Therefore, the Environmental Working Group (EWG) provides a list of the best overall fish options for pregnant women because they’re low in mercury and good source of omega 3s:
• Sardines
• Herring
• Oysters
• Pollock
• Salmon
• Mussel
• Atlantic mackerel
• Rainbow trout

While the threat of mercury contents in fish are real and should be concerned. It may be made too extreme by the trends/hype. It is because mercury in fish has always been exists and human have ate it since ancient time. It is just made worse by human activity. While lesser mercury contents in those days are one of the reasons for the ancient people being not affected by mercury, there is another reason. That reason is selenium. There are some studies about how selenium prevents the bad effects of mercury on human body. And all fish contains selenium. As such, by eating fish which contain low mercury and moderate to high selenium, maybe even add some food which is high in selenium such as chicken egg, shiitake mushroom, white mushroom, chicken, brown rice, soy bean and etc into your diets, it should help you to be able to reap the benefits of Omega 3 while reduce the risk of mercury poisoning.

If you're still worry about the mercury in fish, maybe you should check your own mercury level first. After all, fish are not the only living beings that is affected. The next thing you know, you or your family already have high level of mercury contents in the body. Go for a blood mercury test. Women with a high blood mercury level who are planning to start a family may decide to postpone pregnancy for a few months until that level drops.

As for the name of edible fish, I assume fish which is locally available in Malaysia? For that, I will post later . biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by xxhenry89xx: Jul 6 2018, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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Yeah its kind true.

I don't have the stats with me, but I saw one video, even Norweigian Salmon is tainted with mercury.

So whatever gain u have on Omega3 is set off by the sea pollution.
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Apa susah....buy food supplement lah.
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Then you should probably start learning the type of fish you can commonly find in supermarket. When you are shopping for grocery, head to seafood section there's fish with their name and price shown there. Market like giant, Tesco or Aeon should have listed them in BM & English, if either then Google it.

Also nowadays has website for online ordering fish that Chinese commonly eat like 非洲鱼, 白须公, and etcetera. Chinese restaurants mostly don't list them on menu so you have to ask them to know. It's much more easier to remember the fish you usually eat than just memorize and read about them on the web.
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Why fuss over things like this? Might as well you live in a bubble - our air has tons of pollutions, high amount of carbon monoxide from the car exhaust fumes, etc etc.

Just do everything in moderation like what the other dude said, and you’ll be fine.

Mix your meat intake with other meats, and not just fishes your whole life and you should be fine.
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Eat moderately local fish is enough

Those faraway fish usually frozen long period not very good in retaining nutrition

Big size fish in the top food chain also contains higher heavy metal
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post Jan 17 2018, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(pokolinou @ Jan 17 2018, 11:31 AM)
The keyword for this is "MODERATION"
Too much of something is not always good. So just give your lovely wife those healthy foods everyday. Don't think too much.
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Yes, I believe in moderation too. Even overeating ginseng will do more harm than good. But in the case of mercury in fish which I am not familiar with, how much is too much and how much is too little?
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 17 2018, 11:31 AM)
Google and you shall find..  innocent.gif

Study shows not the type of fish, but where the fish comes from.. but of course, fish who eat fish (carnivorous) usually have higher mercury levels as they are concentrated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4334092/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/27...nsular_Malaysia
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Yes, I been googling the whole time since I found out the news of mercury in fish and its effect but it is too much information and some of it even contradict with each other. For example, some say freshwater fish have higher content of mercury than saltwater fish and some say no. Some say you could get plant based Omega 3 instead if scare of mercury in fish.

And to make it worst, I can't find any simple details of mercury contents in our Malaysia fish. Mostly research studies like the links that you post. Those are not for the view of layman (normal people) like me. It is for those professor.

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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Google la. - http://chinese-menus.blogspot.in/2008/04/c...nd-seafood.html

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eat sardine je la. cheap and safe and high in omega 3
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 17 2018, 11:35 AM)
Not only pregnant.. if lifetime eat mercury tainted fish.. in kids and adults  will lead to future complications..

Unless you avoid seafood altogether..
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Impossible that I will avoid seafood as it it the best protein among all the meat and contain high amount of Omega 3. I have read some research about how Omega 3 boost learning skill in baby and children. It also state about how baby which lack of Omega 3 are not able to speak till older like 3 - 4 years old. I also read an article (something like National Geographic) where it said that one of the factors that make human become more intelligent than other ape is because we start to eat crocodile and fish.

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Go bookstore, buy fish encyclopedia

Point picture n tell story together with kids
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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This is /k

Why not u do your own research

Then share ur result here

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QUOTE(Boom Mortar @ Jan 17 2018, 11:36 AM)
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No offense, I am one of those guys that disagree with vegan. There is a reason why human are omnivores and not herbivores.
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QUOTE(tahfeikei @ Jan 17 2018, 11:36 AM)
i guess one needs to eat a lot of fish to get mercury poisoning...BTW, don't drink water also cos i heard got a lot of female hormones in our water
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I have read that you only need to eat two (2) servings of palm sized fish (some fish) per month to get mercury poisoning. Imagine how much did a Chinese eat in their usual steamed fish?
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 17 2018, 11:38 AM)
Not really..
Depends on lifestyle..
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Yup. I think so too. Those fisherman have eat too much fish.
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 17 2018, 11:39 AM)
Anyway.. not only Mercury.. but lead, arsenic, cadmium.. is also a concern..
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 17 2018, 11:41 AM)
Tilapia I didn't mention cause it's not worth mentioning. Cod and salmon not available in msian Waters . Cobia, parang, gt all is game fish. Mekong is game fish.
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Yes, but they do sell cod and salmon in the market and they're high in Omega 3. One of the thing that make me confuse is some say if scare mercury, you can eat tuna then some say don't eat tuna cause have mercury. Well, no offense ya. I am posting this question to get some debate from all of you guys. Just to see opinions from different views. I have do my own research before posting. It just that i got confuse in all those research.
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Eat smaller fish.
Sardine, selar, Kembong, Mabong etc.
Less Mercury.

Canned fish are also nutritious, but taste wise cannot match fresh fish la.

Eat in moderation and you should be fine.



You want your kids to know how fish look like, bring your kids to pasar and teach them.

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post Jan 17 2018, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Jan 17 2018, 11:49 AM)
Yeah its kind true.

I don't have the stats with me, but I saw one video, even Norweigian Salmon is tainted with mercury.

So whatever gain u have on Omega3 is set off by the sea pollution.
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Yea.. it is bad. Human really are the only living beings that poison their own food. Haizz

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QUOTE(MarioKart @ Jan 17 2018, 11:50 AM)
Apa susah....buy food supplement lah.
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I have read that Omega 3 supplement do not have the same effect as natural source. Maybe because it deteriorate during processing or the source they're using to make those pill. I even saw a bottle of Omega 3 supplement (forgot the brand) which stated in it ingredients that it source is from wool (sheep fur). Seriously?
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QUOTE(TimesOfTrouble @ Jan 17 2018, 11:53 AM)
Then you should probably start learning the type of fish you can commonly find in supermarket. When you are shopping for grocery, head to seafood section there's fish with their name and price shown there. Market like giant, Tesco or Aeon should have listed them in BM & English, if either then Google it.

Also nowadays has website for online ordering fish that Chinese commonly eat like 非洲鱼, 白须公, and etcetera. Chinese restaurants mostly don't list them on menu so you have to ask them to know. It's much more easier to remember the fish you usually eat than just memorize and read about them on the web.
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Yea but not all are accurate. I think it depend on experiences of categorizing. I remember buying a type of fish (forgot the name) after confirmed the type of fish with the seller to make nyonya style curry/assam fish and my Malay friends said i bought the wrong type. The type that i bought are usually fried with turmeric and eat with nasi lemak. lol.
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 12:39 PM)
No offense, I am one of those guys that disagree with vegan. There is a reason why human are omnivores and not herbivores.
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dun worry..ayam not vegan

lolololol
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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would u rather have a normal IQ child or an autistic one?

there are OM3 in eggs and other plants as you realised. eat moderately and screw the doctor's advice!
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 12:54 PM)
I have read that Omega 3 supplement do not have the same effect as natural source. Maybe because it deteriorate during processing or the source they're using to make those pill. I even saw a bottle of Omega 3 supplement (forgot the brand) which stated in it ingredients that it source is from wool (sheep fur). Seriously?
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Up to you what you want to believe...besides there are many brands of supplement on the market.

Big fish usually high im mercury. So up to you if you want to eat poison.
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Betta fish can make tou strong and beautiful
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 17 2018, 11:46 AM)
Hi, I am from Malaysia too. I am no expert but I know some of the information that you needed. So, bear with me for my long essay.  thumbup.gif  tongue.gif

Omega 3
Yes, the advice to consume more fish which is high in Omega 3 does help baby and young kids’ brain development. It also helps adults’ brain in a way of preventing dementia (also some other brain related disease), heart disease and some other illnesses. However, the brain beneficial Omega 3 actually refers to 2 out of 3 types of Omega 3 which is called docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA). The third types are called alpha-linolenic acid (ALA). This is why the milk powder for infants and children are fortified with DHA and EPA. Noted that food that is fortified with DHA & EPA and Omega 3 supplements are no match for natural sources.

The sources which contain DHA & EPA are definitely come from meat or animal based. The animal based that have highest DHA & EPA are the marine animal (includes seals & whales) especially those oily fish which live at colder region because they need to keep a lot of fat in their body in order to thrive in cold region. Freshwater fish that live in colder region also have high amount of DHA & EPA compare to our tropical freshwater fish but lower compare to marine/saltwater fish that live in cold region. Other animal based that contain DHA & EPA but in lower content includes grass-fed cow & chicken egg.

The alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is usually found in plant such as walnut, flaxseed, chia seeds, soy, leafy greens and etc. Plant based contain little to none at all of DHA & EPA. As such, I don’t recommend to eat more plant in your search for beneficial DHA & EPA. I didn’t mean that ALA is bad for your health. ALA is also beneficial to human health in other ways and our body need ALA to transform it into DHA & EPA. However, this transformation of ALA into DHA & EPA in animals and human are not efficient.

All animal includes fish and human are only able to convert ALA into tiny amount of DHA & EPA. However, oily fish able to contain the highest amount of DHA & EPA by accumulation. It mean that ALA which contain in aquatic plant such as phytoplankton, algae, seaweed and etc are being eaten by small fish that convert ALA to DHA & EPA which lead to being eaten by medium fish which not only taken in the DHA & EPA from the small fish but also convert some ALA into DHA & EPA in its own body and so on until it reach the top of the food chain, the apex predator in the ocean such as tuna, salmon, mackerel and etc. Fish that live in cold water would save a lot of this ALA, DHA & EPA in its own body as part of its body fat while tropical fish didn’t save much.

Mercury
Mercury itself is a naturally occurring element that is present throughout the environment and in plants and animals but human industrial activity (such as coal-fired electricity generation, smelting and the incineration of waste) boost up the amount of airborne mercury which eventually finds its way into lakes, rivers and the ocean, where it is gobbled up by unsuspecting fish and other aquatic. This is one of the reasons that mercury contents in animal especially in fish are raising.

For your information, mercury usually refers to as inorganic form while the mercury in fish are the more toxic organic form called methylmercury but I will just refers it as mercury. It is true that freshwater actually contain more mercury than saltwater. However, it doesn't mean that freshwater fish have higher level of mercury than saltwater fish. Because in freshwater, mercury tends to latch onto decayed plant and animal matter, where sunlight can easily break it down. However in saltwater, mercury latches onto chloride (salt), where sunlight has less of an effect on those bonds. By being longer in saltwater, it increases the chance that a fish will ingest more of the mercury.

Once mercury gets into the marine food chain, it “bioaccumulates” in the larger predators in a same way as how Omega 3 accumulates. That’s why larger fish are generally riskier to eat than smaller ones. Fish not only accumulate mercury from consuming smaller fish. All fish absorb mercury from the water that passes through their gills. The longer the fish lives, the more mercury it will bio-accumulate. As such, species of fish that live in saltwater where mercury does not break down easily by the sunlight, long-lived and/or high on the food chain contain higher concentrations of mercury than others.


Solutions / Guides
As I mentioned earlier, mercury exist in our environment, plants and animals. It is just a matter of the level of mercury concentrations. As such, you could always choose fish which is low in mercury but high in Omega 3. Unfortunately for us, Malaysia doesn’t really that strict or efficient in providing an easy access and detailed list of mercury content in local fish (especially freshwater fish). The list below is from USA release by their U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Please be noted that since the list is from USA, the type of fish listed might be different/different name from what we know in Malaysia and/or Asia. (e.g. lobster - they refers to saltwater variety, the freshwater variety are called crayfish/crawfish in USA, bass such as sea bass, black bass are not our Asian Sea Bass/Barramundi/Kim Bak Lor).

Highest Mercury Fish
Pregnant and nursing women and young children should avoid fish high in mercury, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). High mercury fish to steer clear from include:
• Tilefish
• King mackerel
• Shark
• Swordfish
• Marlin
• Orange roughy
• Ahi Tuna
• Bigeye tuna

High Mercury Fish
While not the highest in mercury, you’ll still have to limit these mercury-containing fish to three 6-ounce (170g) servings (or less) per month.
• Spanish mackerel
• Gulf mackerel
• Albacore tuna
• Yellowfin tuna
• Sea bass
• Bluefish
• Grouper

Low to Moderate Mercury Fish
These fish contain low to moderate amounts of mercury, so it’s generally safe to eat up to six 6-ounce (170g) servings each month.
• Striped bass
• Black bass
• Saltwater bass
• Mahi Mahi
• Lobster
• Fresh water perch
• Sea trout
• Canned light tuna
• Skipjack tuna
• Cod
• Halibut
• Trout
• Whitefish

Lowest Mercury Fish
If you’re concerned about ingesting mercury from fish, choose fish lowest in mercury — especially if you’re pregnant or nursing. Low-mercury fish are excellent choices for children as well. The FDA says you can enjoy up to 12 ounces (340g) of low-mercury fish per week if you’re pregnant or nursing.
• Salmon
• Herring
• Haddock
• Anchovies
• Butterfish
• Crab
• Clam
• Crawfish
• Catfish
• Croaker
• Flounder
• Chub mackerel
• Atlantic mackerel
• Oysters
• Pollock
• Perch
• Mullet
• Mussel
• Rainbow trout
• Freshwater trout
• Sardines
• Shrimp
• Scallops
• Squid
• Sole
• Tilapia

Best for Pregnant Women
Not all low-mercury fish are high in omega 3 fatty acids, which are fats needed for proper brain development in babies and children — and important for brain health in adults. Therefore, the Environmental Working Group (EWG) provides a list of the best overall fish options for pregnant women because they’re low in mercury and good source of omega 3s:
• Sardines
• Herring
• Oysters
• Pollock
• Salmon
• Mussel
• Atlantic mackerel
• Rainbow trout

While the threat of mercury contents in fish are real and should be concerned. It may be made too extreme by the trends/hype. It is because mercury in fish has always been exists and human have ate it since ancient time. It is just made worse by human activity. While lesser mercury contents in those days are one of the reasons for the ancient people being not affected by mercury, there is another reason. That reason is selenium. There are some studies about how selenium prevents the bad effects of mercury on human body. And all fish contains selenium. As such, by eating fish which contain low mercury and moderate to high selenium, maybe even add some food which is high in selenium such as chicken egg, shiitake mushroom, white mushroom, chicken, brown rice, soy bean and etc into your diets, it should help you to be able to reap the benefits of Omega 3 while reduce the risk of mercury poisoning.

If you're still worry about the mercury in fish, maybe you should check your own mercury level first. After all, fish are not the only living beings that is affected. The next thing you know, you or your family already have high level of mercury contents in the body. Go for a blood mercury test. Women with a high blood mercury level who are planning to start a family may decide to postpone pregnancy for a few months until that level drops.

As for the name of edible fish, I assume fish which is locally available in Malaysia? For that, I will post later .  biggrin.gif
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Whoa... rclxms.gif such a detailed information. where did you get it from?

1. So, what you mean it is better NOT to substitute meat based Omega 3 with plant based?

2. Omega 3 sources, seal and whales?

3. I see. So, freshwater fish are actually safer than saltwater fish in term of mercury contents?

4. Yea. I did found a lot of list about mercury contents in fish and most of it from USA. Not much from Malaysia though.

5. lol. crayfish/crawfish? Apa itu? I did wonder whether those sea bass mentioned in USA list are the same as our Asian Sea Bass or not.

6. Those amount of serving are quite tricky. 170g? that would be around the size of my palm. I wonder how should i measure when we are eating in Chinese restaurant. lol.. I think one normal whole steamed fish should be consume by 4-5 person. that should be around 170g - 200 g, i think.

7. huh. I already have mercury in my body? Maybe i should bring my wife and family to do some check up.

8. yes, fish which is locally available in Malaysia. As in sold in Malaysia. Those normal fish that we will always talk about, buy in market or order in restaurant (normal class or high class restaurant)

This post has been edited by Leo.Lee: Jan 17 2018, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(xeda @ Jan 17 2018, 11:54 AM)
Why fuss over things like this? Might as well you live in a bubble - our air has tons of pollutions, high amount of carbon monoxide from the car exhaust fumes, etc etc.

Just do everything in moderation like what the other dude said, and you’ll be fine.

Mix your meat intake with other meats, and not just fishes your whole life and you should be fine.
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Being a father, I tend to cared a lot of stuff that concern my kids. I can't do much about stuff like air pollution other than teaching my kids not to simply burn stuff, protect environment thinging and other related stuff. But i can do something about food that I put in my kids mouth by knowing which is which.
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 17 2018, 11:46 AM)
Hi, I am from Malaysia too. I am no expert but I know some of the information that you needed. So, bear with me for my long essay.  thumbup.gif  tongue.gif

Omega 3
Yes, the advice to consume more fish which is high in Omega 3 does help baby and young kids’ brain development. It also helps adults’ brain in a way of preventing dementia (also some other brain related disease), heart disease and some other illnesses. However, the brain beneficial Omega 3 actually refers to 2 out of 3 types of Omega 3 which is called docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA). The third types are called alpha-linolenic acid (ALA). This is why the milk powder for infants and children are fortified with DHA and EPA. Noted that food that is fortified with DHA & EPA and Omega 3 supplements are no match for natural sources.

The sources which contain DHA & EPA are definitely come from meat or animal based. The animal based that have highest DHA & EPA are the marine animal (includes seals & whales) especially those oily fish which live at colder region because they need to keep a lot of fat in their body in order to thrive in cold region. Freshwater fish that live in colder region also have high amount of DHA & EPA compare to our tropical freshwater fish but lower compare to marine/saltwater fish that live in cold region. Other animal based that contain DHA & EPA but in lower content includes grass-fed cow & chicken egg.

The alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is usually found in plant such as walnut, flaxseed, chia seeds, soy, leafy greens and etc. Plant based contain little to none at all of DHA & EPA. As such, I don’t recommend to eat more plant in your search for beneficial DHA & EPA. I didn’t mean that ALA is bad for your health. ALA is also beneficial to human health in other ways and our body need ALA to transform it into DHA & EPA. However, this transformation of ALA into DHA & EPA in animals and human are not efficient.

All animal includes fish and human are only able to convert ALA into tiny amount of DHA & EPA. However, oily fish able to contain the highest amount of DHA & EPA by accumulation. It mean that ALA which contain in aquatic plant such as phytoplankton, algae, seaweed and etc are being eaten by small fish that convert ALA to DHA & EPA which lead to being eaten by medium fish which not only taken in the DHA & EPA from the small fish but also convert some ALA into DHA & EPA in its own body and so on until it reach the top of the food chain, the apex predator in the ocean such as tuna, salmon, mackerel and etc. Fish that live in cold water would save a lot of this ALA, DHA & EPA in its own body as part of its body fat while tropical fish didn’t save much.

Mercury
Mercury itself is a naturally occurring element that is present throughout the environment and in plants and animals but human industrial activity (such as coal-fired electricity generation, smelting and the incineration of waste) boost up the amount of airborne mercury which eventually finds its way into lakes, rivers and the ocean, where it is gobbled up by unsuspecting fish and other aquatic. This is one of the reasons that mercury contents in animal especially in fish are raising.

For your information, mercury usually refers to as inorganic form while the mercury in fish are the more toxic organic form called methylmercury but I will just refers it as mercury. It is true that freshwater actually contain more mercury than saltwater. However, it doesn't mean that freshwater fish have higher level of mercury than saltwater fish. Because in freshwater, mercury tends to latch onto decayed plant and animal matter, where sunlight can easily break it down. However in saltwater, mercury latches onto chloride (salt), where sunlight has less of an effect on those bonds. By being longer in saltwater, it increases the chance that a fish will ingest more of the mercury.

Once mercury gets into the marine food chain, it “bioaccumulates” in the larger predators in a same way as how Omega 3 accumulates. That’s why larger fish are generally riskier to eat than smaller ones. Fish not only accumulate mercury from consuming smaller fish. All fish absorb mercury from the water that passes through their gills. The longer the fish lives, the more mercury it will bio-accumulate. As such, species of fish that live in saltwater where mercury does not break down easily by the sunlight, long-lived and/or high on the food chain contain higher concentrations of mercury than others.


Solutions / Guides
As I mentioned earlier, mercury exist in our environment, plants and animals. It is just a matter of the level of mercury concentrations. As such, you could always choose fish which is low in mercury but high in Omega 3. Unfortunately for us, Malaysia doesn’t really that strict or efficient in providing an easy access and detailed list of mercury content in local fish (especially freshwater fish). The list below is from USA release by their U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Please be noted that since the list is from USA, the type of fish listed might be different/different name from what we know in Malaysia and/or Asia. (e.g. lobster - they refers to saltwater variety, the freshwater variety are called crayfish/crawfish in USA, bass such as sea bass, black bass are not our Asian Sea Bass/Barramundi/Kim Bak Lor).

Highest Mercury Fish
Pregnant and nursing women and young children should avoid fish high in mercury, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). High mercury fish to steer clear from include:
• Tilefish
• King mackerel
• Shark
• Swordfish
• Marlin
• Orange roughy
• Ahi Tuna
• Bigeye tuna

High Mercury Fish
While not the highest in mercury, you’ll still have to limit these mercury-containing fish to three 6-ounce (170g) servings (or less) per month.
• Spanish mackerel
• Gulf mackerel
• Albacore tuna
• Yellowfin tuna
• Sea bass
• Bluefish
• Grouper

Low to Moderate Mercury Fish
These fish contain low to moderate amounts of mercury, so it’s generally safe to eat up to six 6-ounce (170g) servings each month.
• Striped bass
• Black bass
• Saltwater bass
• Mahi Mahi
• Lobster
• Fresh water perch
• Sea trout
• Canned light tuna
• Skipjack tuna
• Cod
• Halibut
• Trout
• Whitefish

Lowest Mercury Fish
If you’re concerned about ingesting mercury from fish, choose fish lowest in mercury — especially if you’re pregnant or nursing. Low-mercury fish are excellent choices for children as well. The FDA says you can enjoy up to 12 ounces (340g) of low-mercury fish per week if you’re pregnant or nursing.
• Salmon
• Herring
• Haddock
• Anchovies
• Butterfish
• Crab
• Clam
• Crawfish
• Catfish
• Croaker
• Flounder
• Chub mackerel
• Atlantic mackerel
• Oysters
• Pollock
• Perch
• Mullet
• Mussel
• Rainbow trout
• Freshwater trout
• Sardines
• Shrimp
• Scallops
• Squid
• Sole
• Tilapia

Best for Pregnant Women
Not all low-mercury fish are high in omega 3 fatty acids, which are fats needed for proper brain development in babies and children — and important for brain health in adults. Therefore, the Environmental Working Group (EWG) provides a list of the best overall fish options for pregnant women because they’re low in mercury and good source of omega 3s:
• Sardines
• Herring
• Oysters
• Pollock
• Salmon
• Mussel
• Atlantic mackerel
• Rainbow trout

While the threat of mercury contents in fish are real and should be concerned. It may be made too extreme by the trends/hype. It is because mercury in fish has always been exists and human have ate it since ancient time. It is just made worse by human activity. While lesser mercury contents in those days are one of the reasons for the ancient people being not affected by mercury, there is another reason. That reason is selenium. There are some studies about how selenium prevents the bad effects of mercury on human body. And all fish contains selenium. As such, by eating fish which contain low mercury and moderate to high selenium, maybe even add some food which is high in selenium such as chicken egg, shiitake mushroom, white mushroom, chicken, brown rice, soy bean and etc into your diets, it should help you to be able to reap the benefits of Omega 3 while reduce the risk of mercury poisoning.

If you're still worry about the mercury in fish, maybe you should check your own mercury level first. After all, fish are not the only living beings that is affected. The next thing you know, you or your family already have high level of mercury contents in the body. Go for a blood mercury test. Women with a high blood mercury level who are planning to start a family may decide to postpone pregnancy for a few months until that level drops.

As for the name of edible fish, I assume fish which is locally available in Malaysia? For that, I will post later .  biggrin.gif
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Guess nobody read your posts but damn good read. Agree to check on own body's mercury first before worrying about the bigger picture.
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QUOTE(mydurian @ Jan 17 2018, 12:31 PM)
I did. And I forgot to mentioned that I am a banana. I can't read or type in Chinese but i can speak in Mandarin & Cantonese since I am from traditional Mandarin speaking family and born in Ipoh, Perak where Cantonese are widely use.

That why i need some help in spelling it in ABC (hanyu ponyin?) for me.

The link you send are useful. Thank you biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ Jan 17 2018, 12:34 PM)
eat sardine je la. cheap and safe and high in omega 3
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Yup. I think so too but I am using canned sardine which is bad if consume too much. The fresh one, I am not sure about the type. As one of the reply mentioned, there are a lot of tuna type. I assume sardine would be the same too.
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QUOTE(quikstep @ Jan 17 2018, 01:06 PM)
would u rather have a normal IQ child or an autistic one?

there are OM3 in eggs and other plants as you realised. eat moderately and screw the doctor's advice!
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Haha. that would be my last option. Of course I also would like my kids to be competitive in the future. Some brain boosting food when they are kids might help a bit. I mean when they grow up, there will be estimated another extra 2- 3 billion people. So many people gonna compete with them that i almost feel sorry for them.
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jan 17 2018, 12:37 PM)
Go bookstore, buy fish encyclopedia

Point picture n tell story together with kids
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If there is a Malaysian version, I would definitely buy it. I have been searching in bookstore for such book. Mostly either English to BM or English to Chinese (mostly Taiwan & China that have different name and different fish).

P.S. I myself are not really that expert. I still have hard time in differentiating similar looking fish. For example, there was once where I bought a type of fish (forgot the name) after confirmed the type of fish with the seller to make nyonya style curry/assam fish and my Malay friends said i bought the wrong type. The type that i bought are usually fried with turmeric and eat with nasi lemak. The look quite the same.

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QUOTE(memekfalui @ Jan 17 2018, 12:38 PM)
This is /k

Why not u do your own research

Then share ur result here

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I did but can't come up with a conclusion. That why i was posting here and see some different views and maybe some information that i have miss out. Who know maybe there are some expert here. I mean power of the Internet Networking, right?
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 12:28 PM)
Yes, I been googling the whole time since I found out the news of mercury in fish and its effect but it is too much information and some of it even contradict with each other. For example, some say freshwater fish have higher content of mercury than saltwater fish and some say no. Some say you could get plant based Omega 3 instead if scare of mercury in fish.

And to make it worst, I can't find any simple details of mercury contents in our Malaysia fish. Mostly research studies like the links that you post. Those are not for the view of layman (normal people) like me. It is for those professor.
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No need professor level.. just read the contents like a book.

Here i summarize for you.

1. Mercury content is co-related to length and weight = ie. eat smaller fish
2. Fish near large cities have higher mercury concentration = ie. east fish from east coast or northern malaysia
3. Low mercury = Spanish mackerel, perch and sardines
4. Medium mercury = Indo-Pacific mackerel, promfet, longtail tuna, snapper, bream (redfish)
5. Highest mercury = tongkol, selar (Both sample from selangor fish market)
6. Lowest mercury level is fish sample from langkawi

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 12:44 PM)
Haha. yea... speaking of arsenic. I have read that white rice actually contain arsenic.. Damm... dry.gif
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Yes.. so does almost all the food you eat.

The As level in white ricec is low enough levels..

As is caused mostly by older pesticides which is accumulate in the ground..
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 17 2018, 01:38 PM)
No need professor level.. just read the contents like a book.

Here i summarize for you.

1. Mercury content is co-related to length and weight = ie. eat smaller fish
2. Fish near large cities have higher mercury concentration = ie. east fish from east coast or northern malaysia
3. Low mercury = Spanish mackerel, perch and sardines
4. Medium mercury = Indo-Pacific mackerel, promfet, longtail tuna, snapper, bream (redfish)
5. Highest mercury = tongkol, selar (Both sample from selangor fish market)
6. Lowest mercury level is fish sample from langkawi
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Whoa.. Thanks for the summary. I guess they didn't mentioned anything about freshwater fish?
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Jan 17 2018, 12:49 PM)
Eat smaller fish.
Sardine, selar, Kembong, Mabong etc.
Less Mercury.

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Depend where they are caught.. in the study, selar have the highest mercury reading.. sample from fish market in Selangor.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 01:47 PM)
Whoa.. Thanks for the summary. I guess they didn't mentioned anything about freshwater fish?
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No, the report is seawater fish.

But I will assume the same conclusions.. depend on weight of fish and location where it was caught.

If the farm draws water from vicinity of sungai klang for example, I would be very worried. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 01:28 PM)
Yup. I think so too but I am using canned sardine which is bad if consume too much. The fresh one, I am not sure about the type. As one of the reply mentioned, there are a lot of tuna type. I assume sardine would be the same too.
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Local sardines are from the indian oil sardine species.. should be ok if you buy fresh.
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QUOTE(TimesOfTrouble @ Jan 17 2018, 11:53 AM)
Then you should probably start learning the type of fish you can commonly find in supermarket. When you are shopping for grocery, head to seafood section there's fish with their name and price shown there. Market like giant, Tesco or Aeon should have listed them in BM & English, if either then Google it.

Also nowadays has website for online ordering fish that Chinese commonly eat like 非洲鱼, 白须公, and etcetera. Chinese restaurants mostly don't list them on menu so you have to ask them to know. It's much more easier to remember the fish you usually eat than just memorize and read about them on the web.
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Which website you purchase your seafood? This one looks gooding https://seafoodmalaysia.my/seafood

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beli la nordic naturals omega 3 oil, it's pharmaceutical grade.
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krill oil better or fish oil omega 3?
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QUOTE(toughguy @ Jan 17 2018, 02:01 PM)
Which website you purchase your seafood? This one looks gooding https://seafoodmalaysia.my/seafood
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I don't since I just eat whatever my mom cooks. I came to know there's such website after one of my friend bought seafood online when he invite us to his BBQ hangout. Yea he uses that website last time.
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 01:38 PM)
I did but can't come up with a conclusion. That why i was posting here and see some different views and maybe some information that i have miss out. Who know maybe there are some expert here. I mean power of the Internet Networking, right?
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conclusion can make it your own

If really want expert advice , then u need ro offer serious teh tarik session.


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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 12:24 PM)
Yes, I believe in moderation too. Even overeating ginseng will do more harm than good. But in the case of mercury in fish which I am not familiar with, how much is too much and how much is too little?
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I'm pretty sure I did not eat much fish as a kid, and now as an adult I dont really like eating fish but here I am a successful adult with no issues.

TS believes in old wives tales much?
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 12:48 PM)
Yes, but they do sell cod and salmon in the market and they're high in Omega 3. One of the thing that make me confuse is some say if scare mercury, you can eat tuna then some say don't eat tuna cause have mercury. Well, no offense ya. I am posting this question to get some debate from all of you guys. Just to see opinions from different views. I have do my own research before posting. It just that i got confuse in all those research.
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Salmon , cod , trout and bonitos are farmed. No such thing as caught in the wild anymore. Mercury conntent is minimal as they are running a very high end recirculation system which helps in the reduction of heavy metals. I know this cause I'm also in the industry of aqua farming.
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 01:15 PM)
Whoa... rclxms.gif such a detailed information. where did you get it from?

1. So, what you mean it is better NOT to substitute meat based Omega 3 with plant based?

2. Omega 3 sources, seal and whales?

3. I see. So, freshwater fish are actually safer than saltwater fish in term of mercury contents?

4. Yea. I did found a lot of list about mercury contents in fish and most of it from USA. Not much from Malaysia though.

5. lol. crayfish/crawfish? Apa itu? I did wonder whether those sea bass mentioned in USA list are the same as our Asian Sea Bass or not.

6. Those amount of serving are quite tricky. 170g? that would be around the size of my palm. I wonder how should i measure when we are eating in Chinese restaurant. lol.. I think one normal whole steamed fish should be consume by 4-5 person. that should be around 170g - 200 g, i think.

7. huh. I already have mercury in my body? Maybe i should bring my wife and family to do some check up.

8. yes, fish which is locally available in Malaysia. As in sold in Malaysia. Those normal fish that we will always talk about, buy in market or order in restaurant (normal class or high class restaurant)
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0. As i mentioned earlier, I am no expert. I just have the same thought as you did and have been doing some research of my own. (I am not someone parents, I just did it for my own curiosity) and I am banana too. I got most of the information and photo from other sources and compile it into related topic.

1. Yes, don't substitute. But I didn't mean not to eat any plant based Omega 3. Marine plant like seaweed do have little amount of DHA & EPA.

2. Yes, seals and whales have Omega 3. That is how the Inuit / Eskimo people are able to live in cold region with lesser case of heart disease & brain related disease (dementia). Their traditional food are mainly meat with little to no plant based at all. Of course, their special genetic plays a role too. They only start to get heart disease & brain related disease (dementia) after being "modernized" (as in working in city and start to eat food like hamburger, bread & etc) .

3. So far the latest results based on current environment condition (pollution), yes, freshwater fish are safer than saltwater fish in terms of mercury contents. Which mean if there is suddenly a wildfire (either naturally like in Australia or man-made like in Indonesia) case occur or volcano eruption at Indonesia or normal stuff like some smoke spewing factory suddenly build nearby the river where you get your fish, I recommend avoid those fish.

4. Yea. I been searching quite a while few years ago and came out with no results.

5. Yes, crayfish/crawfish = freshwater lobster (In Malaysia, we usually just call it lobster). I was a Hospitality Management student. There is once during my internship where I introduce the freshwater lobster as just lobster to some ang moh, when it was served in front of them, they said there is no fucking way a lobster to be that small and that was a crayfish.

Yes, Asian Sea Bass are not the same with bass that ang moh are familiar with.

6. I think that should be right. Around a palm sized portion should be around 150g - 200g. Yes, about needing 4-5 people to eat a normal steamed fish in chinese restaurant in order to match the recommended serving size. I saw that you mentioned that you're from Ipoh, Perak. Me too biggrin.gif
So, back to the topic about needing 4-5 people. Unless, you eat in chinese restaurant that served super small fish. Like the one near Sam Poh Tong, Ipoh near Symphony Hotel Suite. I think the shop name is Rawang Fish restaurant where it is famous for the slogan "One guy, one fish" (in Cantonese)

7. Yes. Maybe you should do a blood check up for mercury level before you even concern about mercury in fish. As i mentioned before, fish are not the only living beings that is affected by mercury. The next thing you know, you might been eating beef or pork or chicken or maybe vegetable which is raised & grow near smoke spewing factory.

8. Okay coming right up. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 17 2018, 11:39 AM)
Freshwater in Malaysia is patin, keli, temoleh, ikan hantu and few others. Chinese names are patin, tong sat, soon hock, Tak you lei. Other species edible is wan yue and wang bu liao . Empurau.

Most is farmed except temoleh and wang bu liao which is still natural for now. Mercury comment is higher cause most farms do not wash their sangkar.

Marine edible species too many to name. Snapper and grouper the most common . That alone also variety of species and mostly farmed.

Jenahak, kerapu, bawal, siakap, ikan merah, semilang, etc etc are some of the more common ones. Red snapper, golden snapper, mutton snapper, mangrove Jack, tiger grouper, Goliath grouper, hybrid grouper, barramundi.
Chinese is the pan family , Lou Fu pan , sekpan , loong Dan for grouper and Zhou family is hung Zhou, Kam Zhou , pak Zhou for snapper family. Siakap is common species.

Most Marine fish are farmed as well.
Hybrid grouper is a cross between tiger and Goliath and hence is what you are eating in most of the restaurants. But they still coin it as sek pan, even though it's already crossed hybrid between 2 species.
Ok?

Mercury content depends on which Waters and which farm and their water structure.
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 01:38 PM)
I did but can't come up with a conclusion. That why i was posting here and see some different views and maybe some information that i have miss out. Who know maybe there are some expert here. I mean power of the Internet Networking, right?
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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For me, I think saltwater fish have "fishy" (flavors of the ocean) taste while freshwater fish have "muddy" (flavors of the lake/river) taste. When there is an exception, it usually mean those fish moved a lot and freely (big area for moving, move a lot usually are predator fish). Some fish I left out it Cantonese name, Hokkien name & etc.
I hope some of you guys could named it?

As such, I will separate type of local fish that I know of into freshwater & saltwater.

Malaysia freshwater fish are not well known to outsiders/foreigners leading insufficient research about those fish. It is make worse by laymen's categorization (only categorize by rough physical appearances) which lead to misidentification of Malaysia freshwater fish (e.g. when you are told that you are eating a Patin Buah but actually it is a Patin Lawang or other similar looking species).

However, it is laymen's categorization that bring forth common names (俗名), name that we know commonly/locally. Other kind of laymen's categorization/common names includes giving same name to similar looking fish which is from different species or different name for a same species of fish just because they look different between juvenile & adult. Furthermore, common names often vary across or even within regions.

I will try include various common names for a same species of fish.

P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

EXTERNAL ANATOMY OF FISH

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Freshwater fish

Giant Snakehead
Also known as : Giant Mudfish / Red or Redline Snakehead
Mandarin name : 多曼鱼 (Duō màn yú), 小盾鳢 (Xiǎo dùn lǐ)
Cantonese name: 金筆 (Gam bat), 多曼魚 (Do man yu)
Malay name : Ikan Toman
Details:
• It have different look and color throughout it life stage, the name Red or Redline Snakehead refer to when it was still a juvenile where it have red line pattern across its body.

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Usually in Malaysia, they served Toman (most probably sliced or steaked) that look liked this but this Toman are considered as ""teenager" stage of Toman.

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This is what an adult Toman look like.

Common Snakehead
Also known as : Striped Snakehead / Snakehead Murrel / Chevron Snakehead
Mandarin name : 线鳢 (Xiàn lǐ), 生鱼 (Shēng yú)
Cantonese name: 生魚 (Saang Yu)
Hokkien name : Lay Hu
Malay name : Ikan Haruan

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You could see why it is called Striped Snakehead.

Helicopter Catfish
Also known as : Wallago Catfish
Mandarin name : 鲶鱼 (Nian yu)
Cantonese name: 鮎魚/鯰魚 (Nim Yu)
Malay name : Ikan Tapah

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Image above show the usual/normal Tapah with it scientific name, Wallago attu.

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This one is from different species, the Wallagonia leerii but Malaysian still refer this as Ikan Tapah (I heard some people differentiate this species as Tapah Tembaga, not sure) since it look quite similar. The image is from fishing documentary "River Monsters".

I don't know how to differentiate between the two. Some said W. attu have pointier dorsal fin (the fin you will see above the water when a shark are coming toward you) than W. leerii. Some said W.leerii have darker upper body with clear stripe marking on its side body which given its English name, Striped Wallago Catfish .

Malaysian Toothed Catfish
Mandarin name : 白鲶 (Bái nián)
Cantonese name : 發鯰 (Fatt nim), 發鯰魚 (Fatt nim yu), 馬蹄魚(Ma tai yu)
Malay name : Ikan Gerahak, Ikan Gahak, Ikan Begahak
Details:
• It has similar body design with Tapah but with upturned snout, shorter barbels, lighter body colour which is silvery white and prominent tooth.
• Its Cantonese name of 馬蹄魚(Ma tai yu) literally mean horse’s hoof fish because when the fish is put with its head down and its tail upward, it look like a horse leg.

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Asian Redtail Catfish
Mandarin name : 白须公 (Bái xū gōng)
Cantonese name: 白鬚公 (Baak Sou Gung / Pak Sou Gong)
Malay name : Ikan Baung

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Striped Catfish
Also known as : Iridescent shark / Sutchi Catfish / Siamese Shark
Mandarin name : 巴丁(Bā dīng)
Cantonese name: 巴丁魚 (Ba ding yu)
Malay name : Ikan Patin, Patin Lawang
Details:
• The glow or iridescence exhibited in juveniles, as well as the shark-like appearance of this and other shark catfish earning it the name, Iridescent Shark.
• The juveniles also have a stripe along the lateral line and a second stripe below the lateral line. Adults are generally darker coloured and often lack the striping, yet they still retain the glimmering glow.
• This species of shark catfish are native to the rivers of Southeast Asia (originated from Thailand). It is not a shark.
• This fish are preferred by locals (Malaysia) to be farmed because it can grow very quick, easy to be bred in captive, easy to formulate the feed, and has high immunity system and can adapt to surrounding easily compare to native shark catfish.
• It is omnivorous but become increasingly herbivorous as they get older where they will lose their teeth.
• This fish are commonly known in the market as Dory Fish, Cream Dory, Swai or Basa.

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It is a type of catfish (shark catfish) not a shark. It is named so due to it front head resemble a shark.

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Juvenile striped catfish with it noticeable stripe.

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• Patin Kolam & Patin Sangkar usually refers to this species of fish.
• While Patin Sungai refers to other species of shark catfish which is harder to be bred & farmed in captivity. Most of the Patin Sungai are wild caught and native in Malaysia rivers. Among those species includes:

1. Patin Buah
2. Patin Muncung
3. Patin Juara

In order to harvest Patin Buah in captivity which is famous for it whitish sweet flesh compare to Patin Lawang's yellowish flesh, Malaysia has cross-bred Patin Lawang & Patin Buah to produce Patin Emas (Hybrid shark catfish) which is known in Mandarin as 巴丁鱼王 (Bā dīng yú wáng).

Walking Catfish
Mandarin name : 塘虱 (Táng shī)
Cantonese name: 塘蝨 (Tong Sat)
Hokkien name : Thor Sat
Teochew name : Thow Sak
Malay name : Ikan Keli

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It can do the same thing as snakehead does, breathing oxygen directly from the air and "walk" (snakelike movement) on land. Hence, the name.

Mozambique Tilapia
Mandarin name : 非洲鱼 (Fēizhōu yú) in Malaysia, 吳郭魚 (Wu Gu Yu) in Taiwan
Cantonese name: 非洲魚 (Fei Zau Yu / Fei Chow Yu) in Malaysia, 福壽魚 (Fuk Sau Yu) in Hong Kong
Hokkien name : Hui Chiu, Jit Pun Hur in Singapore (Literally ‘Japanese fish’, It is said that during WWII, the Japanese introduced tilapia to Singapore)
Malay name : Ikan Tilapia

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Sometime, the Malaysian Chinese call it Hek Fei Zau (Black Tilapia).

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This is the red tilapia. The Malaysian Chinese called it 紅非洲 (Hung Fei Zau) in Cantonese or more popular name, 金鳳魚 (Gam Fung Yu) in Cantonese which literally mean "Golden Phoenix Fish". The red tilapia are much more preferable among the Chinese due to its attractive red color.

The first red one are result of inbreeding (mate with dad, mum or sibling). You know what happen when inbreeding, you get "K" child. So, when you're eating a red tilapia = eating "K" fish.

Marble Goby
Also known as : Gobies / Sleepers Gobies / Sand Goby
Mandarin name : 笋壳鱼 (Sǔn ké yú), 顺壳鱼 (Shùn ké yú), 蓝哥鱼 (Lán gē yú), 林哥鱼 (Lín gē yú)
Cantonese name: 筍殼 (Sun Hok / Soon Hock)
Hokkien name : Soon Hock
Malay name : Ketutu, Haruan Hantu, Bakut, Ubi, Ikan Malas
Details:
• This fish are active at night and would only move to catch foods in front of their mouth. Hence, earning it Malay name/nickname of Haruan Hantu & Ikan Malas.
• This fish look like a bamboo shell when it is not moving in the water hence earning it Chinese name "Soon Hock" which literally mean bamboo shell.

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Malayan Mahseer
Also known as : Greater Brook Carp / Malaysian Mahseer / Thai Mahseer
Mandarin name : 忘不了 (Wàng bù liǎo), 似野结鱼 (Shì yě jié yú)
Cantonese name: 忘不了 (Mong Bat Liu)
Malay name : Empurau, Ikan Kelah, Kap Anak Air Besar
Details:
• The fish is reported to be the most expensive edible fish in Malaysia and has been known to fetch up to RM1, 800 to RM2, 000 per kilogram (I heard the price have drop. Most probably farmed and exceed supply).
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2014...rm3000-empurau/
http://www.theborneopost.com/2015/03/17/em...-auction-in-hk/

• The fish was marketed by a Sarawakian named James Wong (王诩颖) a.k.a Malaysia River Fish Expert/King till it was introduced by a Taiwan/Hong Kong food show (not sure if it was a cooking show or something like our 8tv Ho Chak).
• Noted that it is different from Peninsular Malaysia version of Ikan Kelah which usually called Kelah Merah.

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Hoven’s Carp
Also known as : Mad Barb / Sultan Fish
Mandarin name : 苏丹鱼 (Sū dān yú)
Cantonese name: 蘇丹魚 (Sou Daan Yu)
Malay name : Ikan Jelawat, Ikan Sultan
Details:
• The name Mad Barb refers to its behaviour when apparently intoxicated after consuming some types of poisonous fruit. This diet of poisonous fruits causes its flesh become occasionally toxic.
• It is also called Sultan Fish because it used to be served only to the sultans and royals.
• The section above its head is flat. It has silver coloured greenish back and belly with silvery white colour.
• On its pectoral fins and its stomach contained red colour, curved side streaks and down. At the ends of the tail’s underside is red colour.

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Jullien’s Golden Carp
Also known as : Seven-Striped Barb / Carpilla Ikan Temoleh
Mandarin name : 国宝鲤 (Guó bǎo lǐ), 独目鲤 (Dú mù lǐ)
Malay name : Ikan Temoleh, Temelian
Details:
• In Malaysia, this fish could only be found in Perak River and Pahang River but many would prefer the one from Pahang River.
• It is one of two (2) critically endangered Malaysian freshwater fish. The second being Arowana.
• While it is legally protected in Laos where it is forbidden to catch, trade or transport the species, the protection of this fish in Malaysia is still in grey area.
• This fish have many noticeable characteristics such as longitudinal stripes above its lateral line and maxillary barbels (whisker like appendages near its mouth) to feel its surrounding.

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Giant Featherback
Mandarin name : 关刀鱼 (Guān dāo yú)
Cantonese name: 關刀魚 (Gwaan Dou Yu)
Malay name : Ikan Belida
Details:
• This fish has long knife-like body and a long anal fin that gives these fish their name as featherback /knifefish.
• It is normally silver white in color.
• It has a lot of bone in its flesh which made it hard to eat as a fillet or as a whole. Usually, in order to eat this fish, people tend to minced it and made it into food like otak-otak, fish ball, fish cake and etc.

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Clown Featherback
Also known as : Clown Knifefish / Spotted Featherback / Spotted Knifefish
Mandarin name : 七星刀 (Qī xīng dāo)
Cantonese name: 七星刀 (Cat Sing Dou)
Malay name : Ikan Belida Bintik
Details:
• This fish has long knife-like body and a long anal fin that gives these fish their name as featherback /knifefish.
• It has silvery gray color body with a row of large ocellated spots above the base of the anal fin for both juveniles and adult.
• It has a lot of bone in its flesh which made it hard to eat as a fillet or as a whole. Usually, in order to eat this fish, people tend to minced it and made it into food like otak-otak, fish ball, fish cake and etc.

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Both giant & clown featherback have a lot of bones in their flesh.

Asian Swamp Eel
Also known as : Swamp Eel / Rice Eel / White Ricefield Eel
Mandarin name : 黄鳝 (Huángshàn), 鳝鱼 (Shàn yú)
Cantonese name: 黃鱔 (Wong Sin / Wong Siin), 鱔 (Sin / Siin), 鰻魚 (Maan Yu)
Hokkien name : Mua
Malay name : Belut Sawah, Belut Air Tawar

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Asian Sea Bass
Also known as : Giant Sea Perch / Barramundi
Mandarin name : 尖吻鲈 (Jiān wěn lú), 金目鲈 (Jīn mù lú), 盲槽 (Máng cáo), 石甲 (Shí jiǎ)
Cantonese name: 金目鱸 (Gam Muk Lou), 盲鰽 (Maang Cou), 石甲 (Sek Gaap / Seck Kap)
Hokkien name : Kim Bak Lor
Malay name : Ikan Siakap, Siakap Putih, Kakap Putih
Details:
• Barramundi is a loanword from an Australian Aboriginal language of the Rockhampton area in Queensland meaning “large-scaled river fish”.
• Despite it name of Asian Sea Bass, this fish are catadromous which mean the fish spends most of their life on fresh water and migrating to salt water in order to breed. However, there have been recorded reports of populations that spend their entire life cycle in salt water or in brackish water.
• Easy identifiable by its golden-coloured opaque eye that looks like a cataract, hence the Chinese name 金目鲈 (Jin Mu Lu) literally mean ‘Golden-Eyed’ Bass.

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 17 2018, 01:38 PM)
No need professor level.. just read the contents like a book.

Here i summarize for you.

1. Mercury content is co-related to length and weight = ie. eat smaller fish
2. Fish near large cities have higher mercury concentration = ie. east fish from east coast or northern malaysia
3. Low mercury = Spanish mackerel, perch and sardines
4. Medium mercury = Indo-Pacific mackerel, promfet, longtail tuna, snapper, bream (redfish)
5. Highest mercury = tongkol, selar (Both sample from selangor fish market)
6. Lowest mercury level is fish sample from langkawi
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It’s almost impossible to determine which fish comes from where at the market/supermarket, you know.
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

Saltwater fish

Unicorn Leatherjacket
Also known as : Unicorn Filefish
Mandarin name : 鹿仔鱼 (Lù zǐ yú), 鸡鱼 (Jī yú), 肉竹 (Ròu zhú)
Cantonese name: 剝皮魚 (Mok Pei Yu), 牛鯭 (Ngau Mang), 大沙鯭 (Dai Sa Mang)
Hokkien name : Keh Hu, Bak Teik
Malay name : Ikan Barat-barat, Kerosok Padi, Ayam Laut
Details:
• This fish is sold/marketed as "Chicken Fish" in Malaysia.
• This fish grow slowly and take more than 14 years to become sexually mature, making them vulnerable to fishing pressure.
• Usually caught as a bycatch.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.za/LocationPhoto...ersekutuan.html
The links above show the photo of the fish sold at Jalan Alor.

When I try to search about the fish, I found that the fish is called Unicorn Leatherjacket in English, Ikan Barat-barat in Malay and Keh Hu in Hokkien. And the image results based on using the information above are definitely showing the same fish. However, when I search using the terms "Chicken Fish", I found some fish image that definitely not Ikan Barat-barat/Unicorn Leatherjacket, instead it is another type of fish called Starry triggerfish and Ikan Jebong/Ayam Laut in Malay. Most of the search results are from Malay blog and as such, saying that Starry triggerfish is the "Chicken Fish".

http://sharingthotsandluv.blogspot.my/2013...asam-manis.html
One of the blog that write about Starry triggerfish/Ikan Jebong.

My question is which is the real identity of "Chicken Fish" in Malaysia. Note that when i say in Malaysia because there is another Chicken fish from Vanuatu near Solomon Islands called poulet fish.

Or is it both consider as the Chicken fish? Just like how the Chinese identify both freshwater catfish and marine/saltwater catfish as Tong Sat (Cantonese)?


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It is said to be taste like chicken. Hence, it is sold under the name of “Chicken Fish” in Malaysia.

Redbelly Yellowtail Fusilier
Mandarin name : 豆腐鱼 (Dòu fu yú), 黄尾鱼 (Huáng wěi yú)
Cantonese name: Tau Fu Yu
Hokkien name : Tau Hoo
Malay name : Ikan Delah, Delah Pinang, Bagan, Sulit
Details:
• Well known for its use in making fish balls, because it gives the fish balls a nice bouncy texture.
• The meat of the Yellowtail Fusilier is very sweet, so apart from using it to make fishballs, you can also pan-fry the whole fish.
• On the other hand, the skin is very tough, so people don’t usually eat it.
• You can easily identify Yellowtail Fusilier by its unique combination of yellow (tail), blue (middle section) and an obviously pink (belly) hues.

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Chinese Silver Pomfret
Also known as : Butterfish
Mandarin name : 斗鲳 (Dòu chāng), 斗底白鯧 (Dòu dǐ bái chāng), 斗底 (Dòu dǐ)
Cantonese name: 斗底 (Dau Dai)
Hokkien name : Dao Chior
Malay name : Ikan Bawal Tambak, Duai Tambak
Details:
• This fish is the most expensive fish within the “鲳” (Chāng) fish category.
• The fish is identified by its diamond shape with dull silver, pewter coloured body.

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Silver Pomfret
Also known as : White Pomfret
Mandarin name : 白鲳 (Bái chāng), 银鲳 (Yín chāng)
Cantonese name: 白䱽 (Baak Cong / Pak Cong)
Hokkien name : Pek Chior
Malay name : Ikan Bawal Putih, Duai Putih
Details:
• The fish is identified by its silverish white, not pewter coloured body.

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Black Pomfret
Mandarin name : 黑鲳 (Hēi chāng)
Cantonese name: 黑鯧 (Haak Cong / Hak Chong)
Hokkien name : Orh Chior
Malay name : Ikan Bawal Hitam

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Snubnose Pompano
Also known as : Snubnose Dart
Mandarin name : 金鲳 (Jīn chāng)
Cantonese name: 金鯧 (Gam Cong / Kam Cong)
Hokkien name : Kim Chior
Malay name : Bawal Mas, Nyior-nyior
Details:
• The fish is identified by its golden fins and tail.

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Yellowstripe Scad
Also known as : Yellowstripe Trevally / Yellow-Banded Trevally / Smooth-Tailed Trevally
Mandarin name : 金带细鲹 (Jīn dài xì shēn), 君令 (Jūn lìng)
Hokkien name : Kun Ning
Malay name : Ikan Kuning, Selar Kuning, Pelata Kuning
Details:
• This is the fish that Malaysian (mostly at coastal region, elsewhere they usually eat nasi lemak with fried chicken) and Singaporean eat with Nasi Lemak.
• It is good for frying especially if it is coated with tumeric powder or paprika and a little salt.
• It is also known as “the poor man’s fish” because of its affordability.
• It is currently on World Wide Fund for Nature’s (WWF) red list of threatened ocean species.
• Do not confuse this fish with another similar looking fish, Yellowtail Scad which is larger. This fish is around half the size smaller or more than Yellowtail Scad.
• It can be easily identified by its distinctive and prominent lateral yellow strip running along the back from the head to its tail. It has small eyes, very thin scales and greyish tail.

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Yellowtail Scad
Also known as : Northern Yellowtail Scad / One-finlet Scad / Omaka
Mandarin name : 色腊 (Sè là)
Cantonese name: Sik La
Hokkien name : Sek La
Malay name : Ikan Selar, Temenong
Details:
• It has yellow tail and an easily identifiable long dark strip of hard scales extending from the tail to 1/3 of body.
• Do not confuse this fish with another similar looking fish, Yellowstripe Scad which is smaller.
• This fish is often served at the peranakan restaurants grilled with sambal belacan chilli stuffed inside the fish.

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Ikan Selar-Yellowtail (top) vs. Ikan Kuning-Yellowstripe (bottom)

Torpedo scad
Also known as : Hardtail Scad / Finny Scad
Mandarin name : 硬尾 (Yìng wěi)
Cantonese name: 硬尾 (Ngang Mei)
Hokkien name : Ngeh Bueh
Malay name : Ikan Cencaru
Details:
• This fish has body color range from bluish-grey to greenish, changing to a silvery white on its sides and belly, with a large black spot on the upper rear edge of the gill cover, a series of prominent deep scutes along the side, long scythe-like pectoral fins, and a narrow caudal peduncle.

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Milkfish
Also known as : Bangus
Mandarin name : 虱目鱼 (Shī mù yú), 牛奶鱼 (Niú nǎi yú)
Cantonese name: 虱目魚 (Sat Muk Yu)
Hokkien name : Gu Ni Heur
Malay name : Ikan Susu, Ikan Bandeng, Ikan Baulu
Details:
• It has streamlined body, huge eyes which is covered with a thick layer of transparent gelatinous tissue, a pointed snout with a small toothless terminal mouth and a large deeply-forked caudal fin.
• The colour of its body is silvery blue-green above, silvery on sides and white below.
• The young fry live at sea for two to three weeks and then migrate during the juvenile stage to mangrove swamps, estuaries, and sometimes lakes, and return to sea to mature sexually and reproduce.
• This fish is considered as a bony fish hence the lower market value.
• This fish is popular in Taiwan and Philippines where the local expertly debone the fish.

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Pale-edged Stingray
Also known as : Sharpnose Stingray
Mandarin name : 魟鱼 (Hōng yú), 魔鬼鱼 (Mó guǐ yú)
Cantonese name: 鯆魚 (Pou Yu), 魔鬼魚 (Mo Gwai Yu)
Hokkien name : Hung Heur
Teochew name : Hung Hu
Malay name : Ikan Pari Ketuka, Tuka
Details:
• This species is the most common stingray to be served in Malaysia as it is often a bycatch (caught unintentionally) in fisherman net which cause this species to be branded as Near Threatened.
• It is used to be sold cheaply because there is no market value for it. It is considered as “fishy fish” as it has ammonia smell.
• It is only began to be served as food in Malaysia after the Portuguese traders brought their cuisine in the form of Sambal Stingray (Ikan Bakar in Malay) using local ingredients to Malacca during Malacca Sultanate era and make popular by the Kristang (also known as the "Portuguese-Eurasians" or "Malacca Portuguese" or “Orang Serani” in Malay).
Trivia: Portuguese are the one who spread chilli to the rest of the world includes India (imagine curry without chilli) and Malaysia after Christopher Columbus who is an Italian under the Spanish found chilli at South America (Mexico).

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Indian Threadfin
Mandarin name : 顺风午 (Shùn fēng wǔ), 午鱼 (Wǔ yú), 马友鱼 (Mǎ yǒu yú)
Cantonese name: Mah Yau Yu
Hokkien name : Ngor Her, Orh Ngor
Malay name : Ikan Kurau, Senohong
Details:
• The fish is identified by it threadlike rays which are found under the pectoral fins (the front fins). The Indian threadfin has 5 threadfin. It has black and white pattern on its skin.
• There is a premium grade Indian threadfin called the Balai Ngor. It is named so because they’re fished off Tanjung Balai in Indonesia (near to Singapore). It has a golden yellow hue on its skin in addition to the usual black and white.

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5 threadfin under the pectoral fins

Fourfinger Threadfin
Also known as : Indian Salmon / Blue Threadfin / Rawas Fish
Mandarin name : 午鱼 (Wǔ yú), 马友鱼 (Mǎ yǒu yú)
Cantonese name: Mah Yau Yu
Hokkien name : Peh Ngor, Ngor Her
Malay name : Ikan Senangin, Senangin Rambu Empat
Details:
• This fish has 4 threadlike rays under the pectoral fins (the front fins).
• The diameter of its eye is also greater than the distance between the eye and the snout. So compared to the Indian threadfin, the eyes are proportionally larger.
• It also have lighter skin colour compared to Indian threadfin. Hence its name in Hokkien peh ngor (white ngor) as opposed to orh ngor (black ngor) referring to the Indian threadfin.

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Trivia:
• Grouper are listed as fish which high in mercury.
• This fish sometime named as Garouper which is a wrong spelling of its Portuguese name, Garoupa. Some said the word Garoupa was derived from Malay word, Kerapu. Some say it is the other way around. Nobody know for sure. I mean even the word "Mandarin" come from Portuguese mispronunciation of Malay word, "Menteri" when Portuguese traders are asking the Malay what to call those officer from China during Malacca Sultanate era.

Spotted Coral Grouper
Also known as : Bar Cheek Coral Trout
Mandarin name : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 七星斑 (Qī xīng bān), 太星斑 (Tai xīng bān)
Cantonese name : 七星斑 (Cat Sing Baan / Chat Seng Paan)
Hokkien name : Ang Gau, Chut Bee Gau
Malay name : Kerapu Sunoh Pisang, Kerapu Bara
Details:
• A red, pale greyish or olive to dark brown grouper with small blue spots on the head, body and fins. Some spots on the head and anterior body are horizontally elongate forming dashes (oval shape).

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Blue spot (oval shape) that form dashes

Leopard Coral Grouper
Also known as : Leopard Coral Trout / Common Coral Trout
Mandarin name : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 东星斑 (Dōng xīng bān ), 西星斑 (Xi xīng bān)
Cantonese name : 東星斑 (Dung Sing Baan), 西星斑 (Sai Sing Baan)
Hokkien name : Ang Gau
Malay name : Kerapu Sunoh Bara, Kerapu Bintang
Details:
• Most likely to refers as 東星斑 (Dung Sing Baan) as 西星斑 (Sai Sing Baan) refers to few other groupers.
• A large olive green to reddish brown or orange-red grouper covered in regularly-spaced bright blue spots (except below), and a blue ring around the eye (may be broken up).
• This fish can rapidly change their colour, and often assume a mottled pattern when hunting. This species is often mistaken for the Spotted Coral Grouper, which has some elongate spots or dashes on the head region.

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Blue spot (round shape) on an orange-red Leopard Coral Grouper

Orange-spotted Grouper
Also known as : Goldspotted Rockcod / Estuary Cod
Mandarin name : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 红点石斑 (Hóng diǎn shí bān)
Cantonese name : 青斑 (Ceng Baan)
Hokkien name : Chia Gau
Malay name : Ikan Kerapu Bintik Jingga, Kerapu Pinang, Kerapu Balong, Kerapu Rintek
Details:
• A pale brownish to greyish-brown grouper.
• Best identified by their orange-brown to reddish-brown spots on their body and 4 to 5 “H-shaped” darker bars on its sides.

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H-shaped pattern

Areolate Grouper
Also known as : Areolate Rockcod / Greenspotted Rockcod
Mandarin name : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 西星斑 (Xi xīng bān)
Cantonese name : 西星斑 (Sai Sing Baan / Sai Seng Paan)
Hokkien name : Koay Gau
Malay name : Kerapu Ekor Putih, Kerapu Bintik Bulat
Details:
• A pale grouper covered in close-set orange to brown spots (refers as areolate pattern - mean pattern like nipple) that become more numerous and relatively smaller as the fish grows, and a narrow white margin on the tail.

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Narrow white margin on the edge of the tail

Duskytail Grouper
Mandarin name : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 红点油班 (Hóng diǎn yóu bān)
Cantonese name : 芝麻斑 (Zi Maa Baan), 雙色尾紅斑 (Sheung Sik Mei Hung Paan)
Hokkien name : Koay Gau
Malay name : Kerapu Ekor Gelap
Details:
• This grouper often mistaken for the orange-spotted grouper because of the similar orange dots on the body of the fish.
• The easiest way to identify this grouper is to look at its tail which only has the orange spots on the upper third while the lower two thirds is a dusky brown colour, hence its name.

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Lower two thirds of its tail in dusky brown colour

Humpback Grouper
Also known as : Mouse Grouper / Panther Grouper / Barramundi Cod / Polka Dot Cod or Grouper
Mandarin name : 老鼠斑 (Lǎoshǔ bān), 驼背鲈 (Tuóbèi lú)
Cantonese name : 老鼠斑 (Lou Syu Baan / Lou Shu Paan)
Hokkien name : Ngiau Chee Gau, Zut Bi Gau
Malay name : Kerapu Tikus, Kerapu Belida, Sunoh
Details:
• Its small head and humpback appearance resembles the Barramundi or Asian Sea Bass, earning it the name Barramundi Cod in Australia.
• Its colour ranges from greenish white to pale greenish brown with large widely spaced round black spots all over the body, earning it the reputation of being occasionally called Polka Dot Cod/Grouper.
• It is called Lou Shu Paan or Mouse Grouper because of its resemblance to the rodent.

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Giant Grouper
Also known as : Brindlebass / Bumblebee Grouper / Brown Spotted Cod / Queensland grouper
Mandarin name : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 鞍帶石斑魚(Ān dài shí bān yú), 龙旦 (Lóng dàn)
Cantonese name : 龍躉 (Lung Dan)
Hokkien name : Gau Tun
Malay name : Ikan Kertang, Kerapu Kertang, Kerapu Pertang
Details:
• Largest bony fish found in coral reefs and largest among the 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú) category.
DO NOT confuse with Goliath Grouper. They're not the same fish.
• Adults are greyish-brown with a mottled pattern and darker fins, while small secretive juveniles are yellow with dark broad irregular bars and irregular dark spots on the fins.
• The defining characteristic of the fish are the numerous small black dots which cover the fins, most predominantly on the pectoral fins, but also the dorsal and tail fins.

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Numerous small black dots which cover its fin

Brown Marbled Grouper
Also known as : Tiger Grouper / Black Rockcod / Carpet Cod / Flowery Rockcod
Mandarin name : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 老虎斑 (lǎo hǔ bān)
Cantonese name : 老虎斑 (Lou Fu Baan / Lou Fu Paan)
Malay name : Kerapu Harimau
Details:
• A large pale yellowish-brown grouper covered in small close-set brown spots, five vertical series of irregular dark brown blotches, and a distinctive small black saddle at the base of the tail. All the fins have small brown spots.

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Dragon Tiger Grouper
Also known as : Hybrid Grouper / Sabah Grouper / Pearl Grouper
Scientific name : Epinephelus Fuscoguttatus x Epinephelus Lanceolatus
Mandarin name : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 龙虎班 (Lóng hǔ bān)
Cantonese name : 龍虎斑 (Lung Fu Baan / Long Fu Paan), 沙巴龍躉 (Sa Ba Lung Dan)
Malay name : Kerapu Hibrid, Kerapu Kacukan
Details:
• A new type of grouper results from cross-breeding.
• There are a lot of hybrid grouper in the current market but the first hybrid grouper is cross-bred via researches from Universiti Malaysia Sabah (UMS), Malaysia, in collaboration among researchers of the Borneo Marine Research Institute of UMS, the Fisheries Development Authority of Malaysia (LKIM) and Kinki University of Japan, represented by Prof. Dr Shigeharu Senoo of UMS.
• This grouper was produced by fertilising the eggs of the tiger grouper (Brown Marbled Grouper or Lao Hu Ban in Mandarin) with the sperm of the giant grouper (Long Dan in Mandarin – literally mean Dragon Grouper) through the in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) technique; hence earning its name of Dragon Tiger Grouper derives from its Chinese name.

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Narrow-barred Spanish Mackerel
Mandarin name : 马鲛鱼 (Mǎ jiāo yú), 康氏马鲛 (Kāng shì mǎ jiāo)
Cantonese name : 鮫魚 (Gaau Yu / Kau Yue), 竹鮫 (Zuk Gaau / Chuk Gaau)
Hokkien name : Tek Ka
Malay name : Ikan Tenggiri Batang
Details:
• It has long body, lack of scales and thick rubbery skin.
• It has dark bluish-grey to bluish-green top body, silvery grey sides and whitish belly with multiple dark grey vertical bars pattern on its body.
• When selecting a Narrow-barred Spanish Mackerel, make sure that its flesh is slightly pinkish and not in whitish colour. The blood clots around the bone should be fresh red in colour. (refer the fish cross-section as below)

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The cross-section of the fish

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Spotted Spanish Mackerel
Also known as : Indo-Pacific King Mackerel / Spotted Seerfish
Mandarin name : 马鲛鱼 (Mǎ jiāo yú), 斑点马鲛 (Bān diǎn mǎ jiāo)
Cantonese name : 線鮫 (Sin Gaau),泥鮫 (Nai Gaau)
Hokkien name : Beh Ka
Malay name : Ikan Tenggiri Papan, Ikan Tenggiri Bunga
Details:
• It has silvery white sides with several rows of round dark brownish spots scattered in about three irregular rows along the lateral line.

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Korean Seerfish
Also known as : Korean Mackerel
Mandarin name : 马鲛鱼 (Mǎ jiāo yú), 朝鲜马鲛 (Cháoxiǎn mǎ jiāo)
Cantonese name : 扁鮫 (Bin Gaau)
Hokkien name : Tua Pan
Malay name : Ikan Tenggiri Korea
Details:
• Compare with the Narrow-Barred Spanish Mackerel & Spotted Spanish Mackerel, this fish have a more distinct hump above the eyes which make it look a bit “fiercer”.

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P.S. Tongkol, Aya and Tuna are referring to the same thing. It is just a matter of name from different region of Malaysia. Tongkol (also known as ikan kayu) mainly used by people of west Peninsular Malaysia while Aya used by people from east of Peninsular Malaysia. While Tuna are loanword from English.

Mackerel Tuna
Also known as : Eastern Little Tuna / Kawakawa
Mandarin name : 巴鲣 (Bā jiān), 柴鱼 (Chái yú), 金鎗魚 (Jīnqiāngyú), 鲔鱼 (Wěi yú)
Cantonese name : 杜仲 (Dou Zung, Tow Chung), 杜仲魚 (Dou Zung Yu)
Hokkien name : Cha Hu
Malay name : Ikan Tongkol Kurik, Aya Kurik, Kayu, Bakulan
Details:
• Dark blue-greenish dorsally, belly silvery-white.
• Dark spots in area between pelvic and pectoral fins.
• Many dark, broken, oblique stripes above lateral line, from below first dorsal fin to caudal peduncle.

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Dark spots in area between pelvic and pectoral fins.

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Frigate Tuna
Also known as : Frigate Mackerel
Mandarin name : 扁舵鲣 (Biǎn duò jiān), 平花鲣 (Píng huājiān)
Cantonese name : 小杜仲 (Siu Dou Zung, Siu Tow Chung)
Hokkien name : Cha Hu
Malay name : Ikan Tongkol Selasih, Aya Selasih, Kayu, Bakulan
Details:
• A small dark blue tuna with silvery sides and belly, and 15 or more narrow, oblique to nearly horizontal dark wavy lines in a scaleless area above the lateral line.
• Look quite similar to mackerel tuna but frigate tuna are only half the size of mackerel tuna and do not have dark spots in area between pelvic and pectoral fins.

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Longtail Tuna
Mandarin name : 青甘金枪鱼 (Qīng gān jīnqiāngyú), 小黄鳍鲔 (Xiǎo huángqíwěi)
Hokkien name : Cha Hu
Malay name : Ikan Tongkol Hitam, Aya Hitam, Kayu, Bakulan
Details:
• Longtail tuna is a relatively small slender species with a very long slender tail.
• This fish have metallic dark blue to black on the upper third of the body, and silver-white below, with colourless elongate oval spots in rows along the underside and belly.
• Second dorsal and anal fins each followed by 7-10 finlets (pointy diamond shaped fin around tail area).
• It has moderately long pectoral fins.

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Indian Mackerel
Also known as : Mouth Mackerel / Long-jawed Mackerel
Mandarin name : 甘望鱼 (Gān wàng yú), 羽鳃鲐 (Yǔ sāi tái)
Cantonese name : 大口鮫 (Dai Hau Gau), 花鮫𩼰 (Fa Gau Ci),花鮫 (Fa Gau)
Hokkien name : Kam Bong Hu
Malay name : Ikan Kembung Borek, Ikan Temenung, Rumahan
Details:
• This fish have blue-green upper body with silvery sides and belly.
• It has several dark stripes on upper body, uppermost stripes breaking up into spots on towards the rear of the body, and a prominent black spot on the body near the lower margin of the pectoral fin.
• It has large mouth with it upper jawbone reaching beyond rear margin of eye and a visible long gill rakers when the fish open its mouth, hence the name Mouth Mackerel & Long-jawed Mackerel.
• Its dorsal fin, pectoral fin and caudal (tail) fin are yellow in colour with black tips.

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Whitefin Wolf Herring
Mandarin name : 西刀鱼 (Xī dāo yú)
Cantonese name : Sai Tou Yue / Sai Dou Yue
Hokkien name : Sai Toh
Malay name : Ikan Parang
Details:
• This fish have a lot of bones with sweet flesh making it usually made into fish ball or home-made fish cake.
• Its dorsal fin is entirely white or colourless, hence the name Whitefin.

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Whitefin Wolf Herring with white dorsal fin

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Whitefin Wolf Herring with colourless/transparent dorsal fin

Blackfin Wolf Herring
Also known as : Dorab Wolf Herring / Knife-fish / Leaping Silver-bar
Mandarin name : 西刀鱼 (Xī dāo yú)
Cantonese name : 西刀魚 (Sai Dou Yu)
Hokkien name : Sai Toh
Malay name : Ikan Parang
Details:
• This fish have a lot of bones with sweet flesh making it usually made into fish ball or home-made fish cake.
• There are black markings on the upper part of its dorsal fin that set this fish apart from its closest relative, Whitefin Wolf Herring which lead to its name of Blackfin.

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Black marking on the upper part of the colourless/transparent dorsal fin

Cobia
Also known as : Black Bonito / Black Kingfish
Mandarin name : 海鲡 (Hǎi lí), 军曹鱼 (Jūn cáo yú)
Cantonese name : 懵仔 (Mung Zai), 懵仔魚 (Mung Zai Yu)
Hokkien name : Hai Lay
Malay name : Ikan Haruan Tasik
Details:
• This fish is distributed in most tropical and subtropical waters worldwide, but absent in the eastern Pacific ocean.
• It is dark brown in color with creamy-white or yellowish belly and two silvery-white or bronze stripes from the head to base of tail.

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QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Jan 17 2018, 01:23 PM)
Guess nobody read your posts but damn good read. Agree to check on own body's mercury first before worrying about the bigger picture.
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Malaysia famous for kerapu. Is kerapu heaven. We compete against Taiwan, Indonesia, Thailand for the kerapu nation title. Other countries Western include Australia, USA, Italy and NZ.
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QUOTE(tahfeikei @ Jan 17 2018, 11:36 AM)
i guess one needs to eat a lot of fish to get mercury poisoning...BTW, don't drink water also cos i heard got a lot of female hormones in our water
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QUOTE(memekfalui @ Jan 17 2018, 02:42 PM)
There is only argument in /k

conclusion can make it your own

If really want expert advice , then u need ro offer serious teh tarik session.
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Well, argument/debate is what I am looking for. That is how different views come by. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(tahfeikei @ Jan 17 2018, 11:36 AM)
i guess one needs to eat a lot of fish to get mercury poisoning...BTW, don't drink water also cos i heard got a lot of female hormones in our water
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Yes, I have read about estrogen (female hormones) in water. It have cause the wild fish population to have more females by changing males into females. I dunno about the effect of this conditions on human but for fish, many of them have natural ability to change from male to female & vice versa so increase even a little bit of estrogen in water can make their ability to go haywire.

The source of those estrogen (female hormones) are from human urine. I believe all of you should know that most of our drinking water are recycle from our pee water, shit water, wastewater & etc right? They got clean & recycle, usually send back to river & stream before sending back for human usage. Unfortunately, recycle water only clean shit, organic material, rubbish & kill bacteria but not chemical , in this case estrogen which come from urine of a human that was under medication like hormones pill, birth control pill & etc.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 17 2018, 05:18 PM)
Salmon , cod , trout and bonitos are farmed. No such thing as caught in the wild anymore.  Mercury conntent is minimal as they are running a very high end recirculation system which helps in the reduction of heavy metals. I know this cause I'm also in the industry of aqua farming.
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Yea, I know that most of the fish that we eat nowadays are farmed. Although I agree that wild caught fish taste better, I am actually one of those people that support fish farming. I just keep the hope that fish farming technique would improve in the future.
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 17 2018, 06:28 PM)
For me, I think saltwater fish have "fishy" (flavors of the ocean) taste while freshwater fish have "muddy" (flavors of the lake/river) taste. When there is an exception, it usually mean those fish moved a lot and freely (big area for moving, move a lot usually are predator fish). Some fish I left out it Cantonese name, Hokkien name & etc.
I hope some of you guys could named it?

As such, I will separate type of local fish that I know of into freshwater & saltwater.
P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

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I know the names, but always confuse the english with cantonese names

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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 17 2018, 06:28 PM)
For me, I think saltwater fish have "fishy" (flavors of the ocean) taste while freshwater fish have "muddy" (flavors of the lake/river) taste. When there is an exception, it usually mean those fish moved a lot and freely (big area for moving, move a lot usually are predator fish). Some fish I left out it Cantonese name, Hokkien name & etc.
I hope some of you guys could named it?

As such, I will separate type of local fish that I know of into freshwater & saltwater.
P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

Freshwater fish

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OMG !!! thumbsup.gif Thank you so much.. This is what i wanted.

1. So, Toman are called Do Man in Chinese. I just called them Sang Yu (Cantonese). And yes, the usual Toman that I saw is the "teenage stage" Toman which look a bit similar with Sang Yu. That why I just call them Sang Yu.

2. I don't think I ate or heard of Tapah Fish before.

3. About catfish, I always just called them catfish due to those "whisker". Now, I think I can differentiate it with Chinese name thanks to your info and photo.

4. Red tilapia is "K" fish? This is the most common fish that I ate. rclxub.gif

5. Yes, I also heard that the price of Wang Bu Liao (Empurau) have dropped due to farming. Many people demand wild empurau that the wild fish population drop to the level of extinction just like our Arowana (note that being extinct refers to wild one).

So, in a way farming this fish actually save the empurau just like how South America save their Araipama (I think it call Long Yu (Dragon Fish) in Chinese, I only saw this fish once at one of the 3 cave in Sam Poh Tong, the Nam Thean Tong) by farming them for food & leave wild one alone in the wild.

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Arapaima / Dragon Fish ? (I took the pic from google)

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Arapaima fillet

6. I haven't ate a swamp eel before. Unless you consider Unagi as one.

7. Barramundi and Asian Sea Bass doh.gif while I am not sure about sea bass, black bass in USA but I am sure that Barramundi are only refers by the Australian Ang Moh while Asian Sea Bass by Asian.

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 content fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content fish (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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mercury contamination already reached the south pole.
it's in the air.

source: national geographic.

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 18 2018, 11:30 AM)
Yes, I have read about estrogen (female hormones) in water. It have cause the wild fish population to have more females by changing males into females. I dunno about the effect of this conditions on human but for fish, many of them have natural ability to change from male to female & vice versa so increase even a little bit of estrogen in water can make their ability to go haywire.

The source of those estrogen (female hormones) are from human urine. I believe all of you should know that most of our drinking water are recycle from our pee water, shit water, wastewater & etc right? They got clean & recycle, usually send back to river & stream before sending back for human usage. Unfortunately, recycle water only clean shit, organic material, rubbish & kill bacteria but not chemical , in this case estrogen which come from urine of a human that was under medication like hormones pill, birth control pill & etc.
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Yes, I have read about estrogen in water too.

Yes, I know about the wastewater turn into drinking water. I remember telling it to one of my friends and she don't believe it till she do her own research. After that, she stop drinking tap water (after filtered/cooked) and buy mineral water as drinking water for a month or so. Then, I told her about mineral water devil.gif devil.gif So, she gave up and start drinking tap water (after filtered/cooked) again. lol tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Jan 18 2018, 12:56 PM)
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I know the names, but always confuse the english with cantonese names
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Haha.. but there are some fish that I am not sure about it Cantonese name. It may be same as it Mandarin name or not. Even if it is same, I am not sure how to pronounce it in Cantonese based on Mandarin.
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QUOTE(shirohamada @ Jan 18 2018, 02:54 PM)
mercury contamination already reached the south pole.
it's in the air.

source: national geographic.
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Tq TS for starting this thread.

And thanks to xxhenry89xx for great info with pics.

Usually lost when it comes to fish, dunno the names.



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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 18 2018, 02:51 PM)
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OMG !!!  thumbsup.gif Thank you so much.. This is what i wanted.

1. So, Toman are called Do Man in Chinese. I just called them Sang Yu (Cantonese). And yes, the usual Toman that I saw is the "teenage stage" Toman which look a bit similar with Sang Yu. That why I just call them Sang Yu.

2. I don't think I ate or heard of Tapah Fish before.

3. About catfish, I always just called them catfish due to those "whisker". Now, I think I can differentiate it with Chinese name thanks to your info and photo.

4. Red tilapia is "K" fish? This is the most common fish that I ate.  rclxub.gif

5. Yes, I also heard that the price of Wang Bu Liao (Empurau) have dropped due to farming. Many people demand wild empurau that the wild fish population drop to the level of extinction just like our Arowana (note that being extinct refers to wild one).

So, in a way farming this fish actually save the empurau just like how South America save their Araipama (I think it call Long Yu (Dragon Fish) in Chinese, I only saw this fish once at one of the 3 cave in Sam Poh Tong, the Nam Thean Tong) by farming them for food & leave wild one alone in the wild.

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Arapaima / Dragon Fish ? (I took the pic from google)

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Arapaima fillet

6. I haven't ate a swamp eel before. Unless you consider Unagi as one.

7. Barramundi and Asian Sea Bass  doh.gif while I am not sure about sea bass, black bass in USA but I am sure that Barramundi are only refers by the Australian Ang Moh while Asian Sea Bass by Asian.
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1. Yes, Toman are called Do man in Chinese but I believe only Malaysian Chinese would call it Do Man. Sang Yu basically refer to all type of Snakehead like the one in China which could live in colder climate, the Northern Snakehead which is a concern as invasive species in USA. They are so scared of it that they make a horror movie about Snakehead.

2. The Tapah Town in Perak are named after the fish. Tapah mean "Tak Apa" in Perak Malay language. I heard that Malay in Perak don't eat Tapah fish because of a legend and/or rumours that they found human remains inside Tapah fish, not sure if it is true.

You could eat it at some Chinese kampung at Perak. For example, at Slim River, Perak
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Quite a young Tapah if you ask me
http://eatingasia.typepad.com/eatingasia/2008/04/post.html

or Lenggong, Kuala Kangsar at Perak
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https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/focus/2016...ites-freshwate/

3. You're welcome.

4. At least, it is true for the first red variety of tilapia. After that, it was cross-bred (hybrid) with other species of Tilapia like the Nile Tilapia and Blue Tilapia to avoid it from become super "K" and to add some preferable genetic like tolerance to colder water or grow faster.

5. Yup, i heard about Arapaima too. They even cook it in this famous cooking competition show named "Iron Chef" America version not the Japan Version.
Yes, I saw that Araipama in Nam Thean Tong too. They constantly come up to breath so it easy to spot them despite those milo/teh tarik colour water.
I think it is called 巨龙鱼 (Jù lóng yú) or 巨骨舌鱼 (Jù gǔ shé yú) in Mandarin.
DO NOT mistaken it with Arowana (The name comes from the Indonesian word, arwana or nirwana, meaning paradise / fish of paradise) which is called 龙鱼 (Lóng yú) in Mandarin & Ikan Kelisa in Malay.

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6. Basically, the swamp eel are not really an eel. It is a fish that look like an eel same as South America electric eel which it is also refer as an eel. The true eel or should I say freshwater eel (not sure about saltwater eel though), have life cycle same as our Asian Sea Bass where it lay egg in saltwater & born in saltwater and swam to freshwater to live (terbalik with salmon) and Unagi is a true eel. All eel or eel-like fish, I think we Chinese will just refer it as San Yu (Mandarin) or Sin (Cantonese).

You could try some eel dish at paddy field kampung. I try it few time near Tapah, Perak. My friends said they try it before at Sekinchan.

7. Yup, many other country are fighting to name an animal first especially if it is commercially valuable. For example, Empurau (Wang Bu Liao) are called Malaysian Mahseer but the Thai called them Thai Mahseer. Or the Long Dan (Giant not Goliath Grouper) are named as Queensland (one of Australia state) Grouper by the Australian.

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>eating whales and tuna
stop. they're overfished.
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>eating whales and tuna
stop. they're overfished.
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Part of Tuna family.

More cheap tongkol for me.
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Salmon is best fish to eat. Great taste, high omega-3 content.

Why are you so peculiar about mercury though? I have friends and family who eat fish every day and not a single one of them have any case of mercury poisoning. You need to eat nothing but fish every meal to even get mercury poisoning.

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Xxhenry89,

How come u so knowledgeable about fish?

1. What's the legend abt certain ppl not eating ikan tapah ?

2. Wah, I din know ppl eat araipama .

Apart from aquariums, I've seen 2 maybe 3, reared by seafood restaurant guy - near Tropicana club




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QUOTE(sagethesausage @ Jan 18 2018, 07:55 PM)
Salmon is best fish to eat. Great taste, high omega-3 content.

Why are you so peculiar about mercury though? I have friends and family who eat fish every day and not a single one of them have any case of mercury poisoning. You need to eat nothing but fish every meal to even get mercury poisoning.
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Well, just because I am a father and I hope to do my best for my family. There are a lot of thing that you can't control but for those that you can, why won't you do it (e.g. knowing second hand smoke are unhealthy to your family, won't you chose to stop smoking or at least smoke when your family are not present? )?

About mercury poisoning that I concerned here is from food (which I can still control unlike mercury in air), it doesn't mean like in those movie where you eat poisonous food then die straight away. It is a slow poison that affect brain and nervous system. It could cause headache (constant/seasonal), insomnia, numbness, stuff like hand shaking/tremor, inability to learn thing faster and etc (go google) which people rarely think much but damage have been done. The serious case is death (like you say only happen if everyday eat a lot of fish but you forgot about the one in air & etc). The damage are greater to unborn child and young children.

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 12:54 PM)
I have read that Omega 3 supplement do not have the same effect as natural source. Maybe because it deteriorate during processing or the source they're using to make those pill. I even saw a bottle of Omega 3 supplement (forgot the brand) which stated in it ingredients that it source is from wool (sheep fur). Seriously?
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You clearly did not do homework. It's called a supplement for a reason, to supplement what you lack. And you think everyone's absorption is the same even if you eat fish? How many fish can an adult or child eat a day?
Wool where got omega-3? Use ur brain please. What u should really read on the label is the amount of EPA+DHA in one softgel vs the extra useless oil. Molecularly distilled. Best still if they mention what fish and from where, good example like nordic seas. Krill oil is good if u have the money.

Don't simply read and follow blindly la. Read research papers, studies and the journals they quote in their articles if you want reliability on the stuff u read.


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QUOTE(EdBaaBaa @ Jan 18 2018, 07:58 PM)
Xxhenry89,

How come u so knowledgeable about fish?

1. What's the legend abt certain ppl not eating ikan tapah ?

2. Wah,  I din know ppl eat araipama .

Apart from aquariums,  I've seen 2 maybe 3, reared by seafood restaurant guy - near Tropicana club
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As i mentioned in my first post, all of the info was compiled by me from various sources. It is just a coincidence that I have the same interest in what Leo.Lee was asking for.

1. The legend is about a Malay from Perak who is quite rich (some say poor) and like cockfighting (sabung/laga ayam). Let call him Pak Ali (I forgot his name). His rooster/cock never lose a cockfight and Pak Ali was happy in the beginning. Due to Pak Ali's rooster never lose, nobody dare to put their rooster in a cockfight against Pak Ali's rooster and as such Pak Ali start to feel bored.

The news of Pak Ali's rooster came to the attention of the Sultan Perak and he challenge Pak Ali into a cockfight. The Sultan Perak came up with few conditions/stake for the cockfight. Pak Ali accept it because he was so bored (to the extent of not thinking rationally) and he would do anything just to join a cockfighting. The conditions/stake are Pak Ali's rooster would be exchange with Sultan's rooster and would represent Sultan in the cockfight while Pak Ali would have Sultan's rooster to represent him. If Pak Ali lose, his village, house, wife, children & etc (all his belonging) would be owned by the Sultan Perak. If the Sultan lose, Pak Ali will gain part of the Sultan ruling power/authority and part of Perak state.

In the cockfight, as usual, Pak Ali's rooster win the fight and he was so happy until he realize that his rooster are representing the Sultan. Pak Ali lose everything and went to live in small house near a river. One day, he saw a giant Ikan Tapah washes ashore/stranded beside the river. He dunno what to do until a parrot fly to a tree near Pak Ali and make a sound that sound like "blllah prut". Pak Ali thought it mean "belah perut" (cut the stomach) and so he cut the stomach of the giant Ikan Tapah and to his surprise, there is a lot of gold coming out from the fish stomach. Pak Ali take all the gold and stitch back the fish stomach. He release the Ikan Tapah back to the river and swear to the fish that he & his family & his descendant would not eat, abuse, disrespect & etc (basically not doing any harm) the Ikan Tapah. If anyone of them violate this promise/swear/curse, they will get itchiness and swollen all over their body (basically skin disease) After that, Pak Ali use most of the gold to redeem all his belonging & save some.

Today, Pak Ali's descendant that was in touch with Ikan Tapah their skin would become red and itchy. Then, they will need to go and meet one of Pak Ali descendant who still keep the remaining gold and use that gold to boil with some water. They will drink the water and will be cured from the skin disease.

2. There are a lot of thing that people dunno about South and/or Central America people's diets. Different place have different animals & plant. As such, people would eat whatever is available there. They eat piranha, guinea pig (breed for food same as rabbit), arapaima (original wild caught but caught too much so they farmed it nowadays) and etc. It just that some of their food are not popularized to the rest of the world unlike their chilli, cocoa which made into chocolate, pineapple, papaya, dragon fruit (you do know that it is a fruit of a cactus, right? and only central & south america desert or half desert have cactus. P.S don't go imagine Middle East desert with camel and cactus. lol) and quite recently avocado.

"reared by seafood restaurant guy - near Tropicana club" - are you sure those arapaima are not in the menu? drool.gif drool.gif

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P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

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1. Hmm, I don't think I am in the position to answer your question about the "Chicken Fish". I haven't heard of it before. Hopefully someone who is more expert would saw this & answer this. I am curious about this as well.

2. Haha. That is the wrong fish that i bought before, the Ikan Kuning. I thought it was just a small Ikan Selar.

3. Ah yes. The threadfin. Elders like to say feed this to your wife if she don't have enough milk for the newborn baby. lol . also good as baby first solid food. I wonder if there is any research about it mercury level.

4. Woot. another excuse for me when my friends ask me to belanja them eat grouper instead of just telling them no money.
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1. Hmm, I don't think I am in the position to answer your question about the "Chicken Fish". I haven't heard of it before. Hopefully someone who is more expert would saw this & answer this. I am curious about this as well.

2. Haha. That is the wrong fish that i bought before, the Ikan Kuning. I thought it was just a small Ikan Selar.

3. Ah yes. The threadfin. Elders like to say feed this to your wife if she don't have enough milk for the newborn baby. lol . also good as baby first solid food. I wonder if there is any research about it mercury level.

4. Woot. another excuse for me when my friends ask me to belanja them eat grouper instead of just telling them no money.
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1. I hope so too. Anyway I was posting this question around the web (forgot when and for how long), no answer so far.

2. ikr. laugh.gif

3. Yes, I heard about it from the elders too.
Well, if you search for any parenting blog or forum from Malaysia & Singapore, you tend to find them writing about it too as Ikan Kurau (I am not sure if they know about the difference or not) while parenting blog or forum which is written by Chinese from Hong Kong, maybe China or from Australia, they'll just refer it as the threadfin or Ma Yao Yu.

WARNING (you may need to open a google map if you want to understand what I am trying to say about the location) tongue.gif
And research about mercury level in threadfin that you could find is about Ikan Senangin / Fourfinger Threadfin / Peh Ngor because they are done by the Hong Kong and/or Australia being that Fourfinger Threadfin are the most normal?/standard?/easily available threadfin that Hong Kong people or Australian can get their hand on. As Fourfinger Threadfin habitat/home/roaming area spread from west India (maybe till north of Africa) to as further east to South of Japan & as further south to the North of Australia.

While Ikan Kurau / Indian Threadfin / Orh Ngor habitat/home/roaming area spread ONLY around west India to south of Hainan Island to as further east as Phillipines and as south as east of Papua (didn't reach Hong Kong or Australia sea). Most of the wild Indian Threadfin (not sure if there is a farmed one) that we have in Malaysia & Singapore are caught in area from Andaman Sea heading down to the southeast where Malacca Straits is, passing Singapore and head northwest to where Gulf of Thailand are situated.

So, if you want mercury level in Indian Threadfin, you have to slow slow wait for either India, Malaysia, Singapore, Thai or Indonesia.

P.S those result about Ikan Senangin / Fourfinger Threadfin / Peh Ngor are okay to eat for pregnant woman & young child. It around the same level as Salmon (categorize as lowest mercury in the previous list that I posted) I guess that why the Australian call it as "Bluenose SALMON" (joking, the name is real but it is not related to mercury level).

4. sssshhh. tongue.gif

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1. Hmm, I don't think I am in the position to answer your question about the "Chicken Fish". I haven't heard of it before. Hopefully someone who is more expert would saw this & answer this. I am curious about this as well.

2. Haha. That is the wrong fish that i bought before, the Ikan Kuning. I thought it was just a small Ikan Selar.

3. Ah yes. The threadfin. Elders like to say feed this to your wife if she don't have enough milk for the newborn baby. lol . also good as baby first solid food. I wonder if there is any research about it mercury level.

4. Woot. another excuse for me when my friends ask me to belanja them eat grouper instead of just telling them no money.
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It's good to see some fish enthusiast here

Chicken fish they usually sell at those Chinese penang/Portuguese ikan Bakar stalls

My hometown is actually at Lenggong, Perak and there's lots of river fish to eat there. Soon Hock in the market is so cheap compared to KL. Usually I will eat Sultan fish, Tengalan(?), Pak soo gong (what's the Malay name?)... The cuisine in Lenggong is simply amazing.

I recently ate this fish called Gelah/Kelah... It was so expensive rm220 for 1kg. Not sure what's the hype about this fish... It was nice but too expensive.

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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jan 19 2018, 08:14 PM)
It's good to see some fish enthusiast here

Chicken fish they usually sell at those Chinese penang/Portuguese ikan Bakar stalls

My hometown is actually at Lenggong, Perak and there's lots of river fish to eat there. Soon Hock in the market is so cheap compared to KL. Usually I will eat Sultan fish, Tengalan(?), Pak soo gong (what's the Malay name?)... The cuisine in Lenggong is simply amazing.

I recently ate this fish called Gelah/Kelah... It was so expensive rm220 for 1kg. Not sure what's the hype about this fish... It was nice but too expensive.
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SO, do you know anything about the other fish species which the Malay say it is Chicken fish?

My question:
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https://www.tripadvisor.co.za/LocationPhoto...ersekutuan.html
The links above show the photo of the fish sold at Jalan Alor.

When I try to search about the fish, I found that the fish is called Unicorn Leatherjacket in English, Ikan Barat-barat in Malay and Keh Hu in Hokkien. And the image results based on using the information above are definitely showing the same fish. However, when I search using the terms "Chicken Fish", I found some fish image that definitely not Ikan Barat-barat/Unicorn Leatherjacket, instead it is another type of fish called Starry triggerfish and Ikan Jebong/Ayam Laut in Malay. Most of the search results are from Malay blog and as such, saying that Starry triggerfish is the "Chicken Fish".

http://sharingthotsandluv.blogspot.my/2013...asam-manis.html
One of the blog that write about Starry triggerfish/Ikan Jebong.

My question is which is the real identity of "Chicken Fish" in Malaysia. Note that when i say in Malaysia because there is another Chicken fish from Vanuatu near Solomon Islands called poulet fish.

Or is it both consider as the Chicken fish? Just like how the Chinese identify both freshwater catfish and marine/saltwater catfish as Tong Sat (Cantonese)?

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Agree that there are a lot of restaurant selling river fish at Lenggong, Perak.
I am no expert about the price. The Soon Hock at Lenggong are cheaper? hmm. farmed, maybe? Still, gonna plan my next trip to Lenggong, Perak. Dun care if it is farmed. tongue.gif

Tengalan fish is one of the fish that I never try before and dunno about it Chinese name.

Pak Sou Gong is Ikan Baung. (You can read my previous LONG post about freshwater fish tongue.gif )

Ikan Kelah.. Is it Kelah Merah? Its scale a bit reddish brown. Or is it yellowish brown? Cause the yellowish one is Empurau and i dun think it drop till rm220 for 1kg ONLY, not even farmed one. If it does, look like I need to go Lenggong for few days. hahaha.

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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 17 2018, 11:39 AM)
Freshwater in Malaysia is patin, keli, temoleh, ikan hantu and few others. Chinese names are patin, tong sat, soon hock, Tak you lei. Other species edible is wan yue and wang bu liao . Empurau.

Most is farmed except temoleh and wang bu liao which is still natural for now. Mercury comment is higher cause most farms do not wash their sangkar.

Marine edible species too many to name. Snapper and grouper the most common . That alone also variety of species and mostly farmed.

Jenahak, kerapu, bawal, siakap, ikan merah, semilang, etc etc are some of the more common ones. Red snapper, golden snapper, mutton snapper, mangrove Jack, tiger grouper, Goliath grouper, hybrid grouper, barramundi.
Chinese is the pan family , Lou Fu pan , sekpan , loong Dan for grouper and Zhou family is hung Zhou, Kam Zhou , pak Zhou for snapper family. Siakap is common species.

Most Marine fish are farmed as well.
Hybrid grouper is a cross between tiger and Goliath and hence is what you are eating in most of the restaurants. But they still coin it as sek pan, even though it's already crossed hybrid between 2 species.
Ok?

Mercury content depends on which Waters and which farm and their water structure.
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Fren, you really think we have goliath grouper in the menu ? It is a 400kg fish.
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Tengalan fish is one of the fish that I never try before and dunno about it Chinese name.

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if not mistaken it should be ting ka lan (ding ga lan?) I heard my relatives mention about this river fish before. They stay in Pahang/Perak and always eat river fish buy from orang asli.

no idea what fish it is though, last time always see orang asli selling fish by road side when travel with them, no highway that time.

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SO, do you know anything about the other fish species which the Malay say it is Chicken fish?

My question:
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https://www.tripadvisor.co.za/LocationPhoto...ersekutuan.html
The links above show the photo of the fish sold at Jalan Alor.

When I try to search about the fish, I found that the fish is called Unicorn Leatherjacket in English, Ikan Barat-barat in Malay and Keh Hu in Hokkien. And the image results based on using the information above are definitely showing the same fish. However, when I search using the terms "Chicken Fish", I found some fish image that definitely not Ikan Barat-barat/Unicorn Leatherjacket, instead it is another type of fish called Starry triggerfish and Ikan Jebong/Ayam Laut in Malay. Most of the search results are from Malay blog and as such, saying that Starry triggerfish is the "Chicken Fish".

http://sharingthotsandluv.blogspot.my/2013...asam-manis.html
One of the blog that write about Starry triggerfish/Ikan Jebong.

My question is which is the real identity of "Chicken Fish" in Malaysia. Note that when i say in Malaysia because there is another Chicken fish from Vanuatu near Solomon Islands called poulet fish.

Or is it both consider as the Chicken fish? Just like how the Chinese identify both freshwater catfish and marine/saltwater catfish as Tong Sat (Cantonese)?

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Agree that there are a lot of restaurant selling river fish at Lenggong, Perak.
I am no expert about the price. The Soon Hock at Lenggong are cheaper? hmm. farmed, maybe? Still, gonna plan my next trip to Lenggong, Perak. Dun care if it is farmed.  tongue.gif

Tengalan fish is one of the fish that I never try before and dunno about it Chinese name.

Pak Sou Gong is Ikan Baung. (You can read my previous LONG post about freshwater fish tongue.gif )

Ikan Kelah.. Is it Kelah Merah? Its scale a bit reddish brown. Or is it yellowish brown? Cause the yellowish one is Empurau and i dun think it drop till rm220 for 1kg ONLY, not even farmed one. If it does, look like I need to go Lenggong for few days. hahaha.
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Let me get back to you regarding the chicken fish later when I ask my old dad about it. He loves seafood and have been eating it since young in our hometown

The ikan Kelah I ate was definitely not Empurau (wang bu Liao).. in Cantonese they called it Hong Kat Lor (red Kelah) . texture was similar to Tengalan. A unique way they steam it is that they don't scrape away the scales and steam it together, apparently you can eat it but I was like no thanks. Here's a picture I took (steamed)

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Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰. It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish.

Other fish that I regularly eat there is patin (ikan patih mas?), Kerai... Very nice.

If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new, but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak.

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Fren, you really think we have goliath grouper in the menu ? It is a 400kg fish.
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Jan 19 2018, 09:14 PM)
if not mistaken it should be ting ka lan (ding ga lan?) I heard my relatives mention about this river fish before. They stay in Pahang/Perak and always eat river fish buy from orang asli.

no idea what fish it is though, last time always see orang asli selling fish by road side when travel with them, no highway that time.
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hmm.. do you know the exact Mandarin words for it? I am a Banana but I can copy paste and listen to those words via Google translate.
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hmm.. do you know the exact Mandarin words for it? I am a Banana but I can copy paste and listen to those words via Google translate.
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Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰 (ding Jia lan in Mandarin, Ding Ga Lan in Cantonese). It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish.

Regarding Soon Hock price, the price selling in the wet market is quite cheap. In restaurants it's not very cheap as well like in KL/Selangor.

If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new (opened in the past few years) but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak.

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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jan 19 2018, 09:59 PM)
Let me get back to you regarding the chicken fish later when I ask my old dad about it. He loves seafood and have been eating it since young in our hometown

The ikan Kelah I ate was definitely not Empurau (wang bu Liao).. in Cantonese they called it Hong Kat Lor (red Kelah) . texture was similar to Tengalan. A unique way they steam it is that they don't scrape away the scales and steam it together, apparently you can eat it but I was like no thanks. Here's a picture I took (steamed)

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Just googled and the Cantonese sultan fish is actually called Jelawat in malay.

Other fish that I regularly eat there is patin (ikan patih mas?), Kerai... Very nice.
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1. Good rclxms.gif some expert elder would definitely help a lot. My father like to eat fish but he is not that particular about the name and how to differentiate it.

2. haha. Bingo.. just as I suspected. In Malaysia, Empurau/Ikan Kelah are from Sg Rajang at Sarawak only. Yea. I heard most Kelah (Empurau, Kelah merah, i think even Kelah hijau are eaten with its scale) and most of those giant fish like Giant Grouper are eaten whole. None of their body part are wasted. In the case of Giant Grouper, even their gonads (I believe it is the fish testicles) would be cook into separate dish.

3. Yup, I know. It in my post of Freshwater fish.

4. Patih Mas? You mean Patin Mas? The hybrid patin. Produced using Patin Buah and Patin Muncung. (a lot of hybrid fish nowadays cause commercialized, want them to grow bigger & faster)

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Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰 (ding Jia lan in Mandarin, Ding Ga Lan in Cantonese). It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish.

Regarding Soon Hock price, the price selling in the wet market is quite cheap. In restaurants it's not very cheap as well like in KL/Selangor.

If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new (opened in the past few years) but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak.
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1. Lol. the Cantonese named sound like cursing/vulgar word. I think it should be some kind of carp fish. Carp famous for it small "Y" shaped bone.

2. Oh I see. Only lower price in wet market. Too bad. I have no skill in cooking it. Better don't tarnish some good fish with my lousy cooking skill.

3. Hehe. Thanks for the invitation. Let see if I manage to get some off days first & some makan gang. Hmm MK brand never heard before but usually those low profile chili sauce are better than those "famous" one. Agreed with your comment about Kg Koh. I am from Ipoh, we have a chili + garlic sauce called Highlands brand but Ipoh people just call it "Foh Shan" (Volcano) chili sauce.
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 17 2018, 11:39 AM)
Anyway.. not only Mercury.. but lead, arsenic, cadmium.. is also a concern..
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 17 2018, 01:38 PM)
No need professor level.. just read the contents like a book.

Here i summarize for you.

1. Mercury content is co-related to length and weight = ie. eat smaller fish
2. Fish near large cities have higher mercury concentration = ie. east fish from east coast or northern malaysia
3. Low mercury = Spanish mackerel, perch and sardines
4. Medium mercury = Indo-Pacific mackerel, promfet, longtail tuna, snapper, bream (redfish)
5. Highest mercury = tongkol, selar (Both sample from selangor fish market)
6. Lowest mercury level is fish sample from langkawi
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Are you referring to total As & Hg? Or they're already speciated? Fishery Dept does speciation? If they do, the LC has a tendency to transform while separating due to metal in the pathway as not everything is Peek. Secondly, is the ICP-MS sensitive enough?
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 19 2018, 10:50 PM)
Yes we do. Our Goliath grouper, Taiwan Goliath, Indonesia Goliath and Thailand Goliath is diff species but all under this category.
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I have read your previous post about you are involve in fish farming. So, when i saw you wrote about hybrid grouper is mix between Tiger Grouper with Goliath Grouper (which you refers as Long Dan), I assume that you just type wrongly or something. (As far as I know, hybrid grouper/to be specific the Long Fu Ban was first produced at Sabah, their English name is Sabah Grouper)

As far as I know, there is only two type of Goliath grouper, Atlantic & Pacific which is 2 ocean/sea that are super faraway from South East Asia. Now, you have make me curious about this Asian Goliath Grouper. Could you send us some photo? It would be better if you send me the name of their species. I would be happy to do some research (googling tongue.gif ) about them.
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Good info on fish here. Thanks.
Are you referring to total As & Hg? Or they're already speciated? Fishery Dept does speciation? If they do, the LC has a tendency to transform while separating due to metal in the pathway as not everything is Peek. Secondly, is the ICP-MS sensitive enough?
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Whoa, hold your horses. biggrin.gif

English, please? tongue.gif too many scientific words.
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Whoa, hold your horses.  biggrin.gif

English, please?  tongue.gif too many scientific words.
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They use an ICP-MS to determine heavy metals, but that can only give you total content and not the types of say, organic and inorganic. That has to go through separation by either a liquid or ion chromatography. I'm not too sure if MY uses speciation techniques or not but if they do, it's probably a liquid chromatography instrument which has metal parts that might transform the methylmercury back to normal, so you won't be able to detect it anyway.
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 20 2018, 12:07 AM)
I have read your previous post about you are involve in fish farming. So, when i saw you wrote about hybrid grouper is mix between Tiger Grouper with Goliath Grouper (which you refers as Long Dan), I assume that you just type wrongly or something. (As far as I know, hybrid grouper/to be specific the Long Fu Ban was first produced at Sabah, their English name is Sabah Grouper)

As far as I know, there is only two type of Goliath grouper, Atlantic & Pacific which is 2 ocean/sea that are super faraway from South East Asia. Now, you have make me curious about this Asian Goliath Grouper. Could you send us some photo? It would be better if you send me the name of their species. I would be happy to do some research (googling tongue.gif ) about them.
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Would love to give pics and info but this project is on confidential basis for now in Malaysia. I can however disclose that the hatchery I am attached with is currently reproducing Goliath with mix breed but not tigers.
The 2nd project is cultivating and breeding of belugas. First facility is in terenganu which is where I am now. Beluga facility is in k.perlis. I will try to attach some morepics when I get back next week.

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They use an ICP-MS to determine heavy metals, but that can only give you total content and not the types of say, organic and inorganic. That has to go through separation by either a liquid or ion chromatography. I'm not too sure if MY uses speciation techniques or not but if they do, it's probably a liquid chromatography instrument which has metal parts that might transform the methylmercury back to normal, so you won't be able to detect it anyway.
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Let me get this straight.
What you mean is if the list by Malaysia are research result that use a liquid chromatography instrument, the methylmercury contents in a fish are not accurate?
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 20 2018, 12:39 AM)
Would love to give pics and info but this project is on confidential basis for now in Malaysia. I can however disclose that the hatchery I am attached with is currently reproducing Goliath with mix breed but not tigers.
The 2nd project is cultivating and breeding of belugas. First facility is in terenganu which is where I am now. Beluga facility is in k.perlis. I will try to attach some morepics when I get back next week.

Pics are very recent but not on any of the confidential facility.Attached Image Attached Image Attached Image
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Whoa. So, I assume the Goliath that you are referring are a type of hybrid too? Not the natural/wild one?

Belugas? The dolphin? Why you guys want to breed that?
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Whoa. So, I assume the Goliath that you are referring are a type of hybrid too? Not the natural/wild one?

Belugas? The dolphin? Why you guys want to breed that?
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Goliath is pure breed.
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Let me get this straight.
What you mean is if the list by Malaysia are research result that use a liquid chromatography instrument, the methylmercury contents in a fish are not accurate?
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High probability. But in metal analysis, you use ICP or ICP-MS. Only when you need to speciate for organic and inorganic, then you need a chromatograph in front of the ICP-MS when you want to look at the species for eg, Hg2+, MeHg, EtHg and PhHg. Otherwise for T-Hg, an ICP will suffice.
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That's funny because in Germany, almost all my friends who got pregnant were told to avoid seafood for risk of mercury contamination.

So they take supplements instead.
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Goliath is pure breed.
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hmmm.
Epinephelus itajara ?
Epinephelus quinquefasciatus ?
Epinephelus lanceolatus ?
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That's funny because in Germany, almost all my friends who got pregnant were told to avoid seafood for risk of mercury contamination.

So they take supplements instead.
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I think because Germany is near to Atlantic Ocean. I read somewhere before that most of Atlantic fishes are high in mercury. Other place includes Gulf of Mexico.
The cleanest source for oily fish would be from the Artic Ocean.

Another thing that I realize is since mercury accumulate around the same ways as Omega 3, it is safe to assume that the higher Omega 3 in a fish, it mercury content would be higher too (of course, they accumulate in different rate. what I mean roughly rate of accumulation).
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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jan 19 2018, 09:59 PM)
Let me get back to you regarding the chicken fish later when I ask my old dad about it. He loves seafood and have been eating it since young in our hometown

The ikan Kelah I ate was definitely not Empurau (wang bu Liao).. in Cantonese they called it Hong Kat Lor (red Kelah) . texture was similar to Tengalan. A unique way they steam it is that they don't scrape away the scales and steam it together, apparently you can eat it but I was like no thanks. Here's a picture I took (steamed)

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Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰. It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish.

Other fish that I regularly eat there is patin (ikan patih mas?), Kerai... Very nice.

If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new, but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak.
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Any news about the chicken fish?

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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 20 2018, 12:39 AM)
Would love to give pics and info but this project is on confidential basis for now in Malaysia. I can however disclose that the hatchery I am attached with is currently reproducing Goliath with mix breed but not tigers.
The 2nd project is cultivating and breeding of belugas. First facility is in terenganu which is where I am now. Beluga facility is in k.perlis. I will try to attach some morepics when I get back next week.

Pics are very recent but not on any of the confidential facility.Attached Image Attached Image Attached Image
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wahlau. i want to learn. pls be make frens with me.
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P.S I can't log into my own account with the name Allen89 so I just create a new one with extra "." in username tongue.gif & found this thread.

Whoa. nice thread/post. I thought this is "Kopitiam" where most post are troll and etc? This should be in "Serious Kopitiam".
How about the normal carp fish? The one that Chinese like to eat? Any info?

For example, huaaat a.... Imagine if it happen in Asia. rclxm9.gif


Extra stuff about snakehead in ang moh place hmm.gif


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QUOTE(Allen.89 @ Jan 22 2018, 06:56 PM)
P.S I can't log into my own account with the name Allen89 so I just create a new one with extra "." in username tongue.gif & found this thread.

Whoa. nice thread/post. I thought this is "Kopitiam" where most post are troll and etc? This should be in "Serious Kopitiam".
How about the normal carp fish? The one that Chinese like to eat? Any info?

For example, huaaat a.... Imagine if it happen in Asia.  rclxm9.gif


Extra stuff about snakehead in ang moh place  hmm.gif

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Yea, I also think TS should start his thread in "Serious Kopitiam". But it already started. Can't change, right?

I rarely eat carp because they usually have a lot of bones which I am not patient enough to go thru all the effort. Even those expensive carp like Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh, I ate it cause people (bos or rich client) belanja. As such, I don't really familiar with carp (there are a lot of Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh informations in English that you can find on the net). As for normal carp, I can't find much. Maybe there is more in Chinese website (which I can't read).

I could only find some info in English as below:

Before Tang Dynasty, common carp (鲤鱼 ~ Li Yu) was the main cultivated freshwater fish for consumption. However, common carp are banned during Tang Dynasty because the fish have the same name/surname as the Tang Dynasty royal family (Lee/Li is their surname/family name) leading to cultivation of other freshwater fish species. Those new species are Grass (草鱼), silver (鲢鱼), bighead (鳙鱼), and black carp (青鱼) which are later known as the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" (四大家鱼) in China and become the most important freshwater fish species for food and traditional Chinese medicine (* mean the Chinese have breed them as food for thousand of years, same like chicken, pig or cow.).

At the present time in some part of the world especially in USA, they have become an invasive species and collectively known as Asian Carp.


When the Chinese migrate in mass to South East Asia (I believe they call it as "Nanyang"), they bring carp with them. When the Malay in those days ask the Chinese about the name of those carp, the Chinese told them those carp are from Tongsan (China). So, it is Tongsan Fish/Ikan Tongsan (derived from Cantonese) - “唐山” (Mandarin).

Those Tongsan fish are known to be a tough fish in terms of endurance (able to survive) to different environments & physically as game fish. However, they are known to fail to reproduce especially in captivity due to their strict requirements for reproduction that includes water temperature or substrate type (especially true in tropical climate as they are originate from temperate climate region, China). You rarely see people BREED Tongsan fish in Malaysia. Most Tongsan fish eaten in Malaysia are young fish that are imported from China & kept till it is mature enough to be served as food or some kept it in fish pond for angler to fish.

Only the common carp (Ikan Lee Koh) which is not part of the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" has been found to breed locally (Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, India) under natural conditions. While the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" are able to breed perfectly fine in climate that is similar to East Asia. For example, in your video, at USA, specifically northern USA heading towards Canada.

Recently, those "Four Major Domesticated Fish" were successfully induced to spawn in captivity by injecting the ripe fish with a pituitary (search for pituitary gland & anterior pituitary) suspension made from the pituitaries of gravid common carp. I heard there is one (research/experiment using this technique) at Bukit Tinggi (not sure if it refers to the one at Klang or the one at Bentong, Pahang).

While it is cheap, demand for Tongsan fish from consumers is "almost non-existent", and it is usually hawker stalls and restaurants that buy this type of fish. In Malaysia, I only heard of two Tongsan fish that was normally served in Chinese restaurant as there is this popular saying in Cantonese, "Soong yu tau, waan yu mei" which mean if you want to eat fish head, then eat Soong Yu (Big Head Carp), if you want to eat the fish tail, then eat Wan Yu (Grass Carp). As such, I only have details about this 2 fish.
P.S I wonder what happen to the Soong Yu Tail and the Wan Yu Head if everyone eat like this?

The Malays differentiate this two carp by their scale. Grass carp have thicker scale hence the Malay name of tongsan sisik kasar while
bighead carp have thinner scale hence the name tongsan sisik halus.

P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

Freshwater fish

Grass Carp
Mandarin name : 草鱼 (Cǎo yú), 鲩 (Huàn), 鲩鱼 (Huàn yú), 油鲩 (Yóu huàn)
Cantonese name : 鯇魚 (Waan Yu), 皖魚 (Waan Yu, Wan Yue) * It is said that due to Cantonese having 9 tones? They pronounce "Huan" as "Waan"
Hokkien name : Chow Hu
Malay name : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Kasar, Kap Rumput
Details:
• When the preferred food of the grass carp is not available, this fish feeds on terrestrial (land) vegetation hanging over the surface of the water. In fact, the name "grass carp" comes from its unique ability to consume terrestrial grasses. Other terrestrial plants eaten by grass carp include banana leaves.
• It have elongated, chubby, torpedo-shaped body forms.
• Its terminal mouth is slightly oblique with non-fleshy, firm lips, and no barbels.
• Its body colour is dark olive, shading to brownish-yellow on the sides, with a white belly and large, slightly outlined scales.

Attached Image

Bighead Carp
Mandarin name : 大头鱼 (Dà tóu yú), 鰫鱼 (Yóng yú), 松鱼 (Sōng yú)
Cantonese name : Soong Yu
Hokkien name : Twa Hu, Hua Leng
Malay name : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Halus, Kap Kepala Besar
NOTE :
• The Mandarin word 松 (Sōng) in 松鱼 (Sōng yú) mean pine tree (松树). While pine tree in Cantonese are written as "松樹" which used the same "松" character/word, it is pronounced as "cung" in Cantonese, the same way as how you pronounce "insect" in Cantonese.

As such, the name "Soong Yu" in Cantonese is the corrupted translation from Mandarin which is most probably direct translated from the other meaning of 松 (Sōng) in Mandarin. That other meaning is "loose; relax; slack" which is written in Cantonese as "鬆" and pronounced as "Soong"

Details:
• It has a large, scaleless head, a large mouth, and eyes located very low on the head.
• Adults usually have a mottled silver-gray coloration.
• This fish are primarily filter feeders, preferentially consume zooplankton, but also phytoplankton and detritus.

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Some people identify Soong Yu (Bighead carp) as Silver Carp due to their similar look. Silver carp have silvery white body colour compare to Bighead carp dark colour.

* For those who found the information above are not correct, pls comment biggrin.gif

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intro to the chinese, they can eat them to extinction there...
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The keyword for this is "MODERATION"
Too much of something is not always good. So just give your lovely wife those healthy foods everyday. Don't think too much.
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Anyway.. not only Mercury.. but lead, arsenic, cadmium.. is also a concern..
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This well say
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Yea, I also think TS should start his thread in "Serious Kopitiam". But it already started. Can't change, right?

I rarely eat carp because they usually have a lot of bones which I am not patient enough to go thru all the effort. Even those expensive carp like Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh, I ate it cause people (bos or rich client) belanja. As such, I don't really familiar with carp (there are a lot of Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh informations in English that you can find on the net). As for normal carp, I can't find much. Maybe there is more in Chinese website (which I can't read).

I could only find some info in English as below:

Grass (草鱼), silver (鲢鱼), bighead (鳙鱼), and black carp (青鱼) are known as the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" (四大家鱼) in China and are the most important freshwater fish species for food and traditional Chinese medicine.
* mean the Chinese have breed them as food for thousand of years, same like chicken, pig or cow.

When the Chinese migrate in mass to South East Asia (I believe they call it as "Nanyang"), they bring carp with them. When the Malay in those days ask the Chinese about the name of those carp, the Chinese told them those carp are from Tongsan (China). So, it is Tongsan Fish/Ikan Tongsan (derived from Cantonese) - “唐山” (Mandarin).

Those Tongsan fish are known to be a tough fish in terms of endurance (able to survive) to different environments & physically as game fish. However, they are known to fail to reproduce especially in captivity due to their strict requirements for reproduction that includes water temperature or substrate type (especially true in tropical climate as they are originate from temperate climate region, China). You rarely see people BREED Tongsan fish in Malaysia. Most Tongsan fish eaten in Malaysia are young fish that are imported from China & kept till it is mature enough to be served as food or some kept it in fish pond for angler to fish.

Only the common carp (Ikan Lee Koh) which is not part of the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" has been found to breed locally (Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, India) under natural conditions. While the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" are able to breed perfectly fine in climate that is similar to East Asia. For example, in your video, at USA, specifically northern USA heading towards Canada.

Recently, those "Four Major Domesticated Fish" were successfully induced to spawn in captivity by injecting the ripe fish with a pituitary (search for pituitary gland & anterior pituitary) suspension made from the pituitaries of gravid common carp. I heard there is one (research/experiment using this technique) at Bukit Tinggi (not sure is Klang one or the one at Bentong, Pahang).

While it is cheap, demand for Tongsan fish from consumers is "almost non-existent", and it is usually hawker stalls and restaurants that buy this type of fish. In Malaysia, I only heard of two Tongsan fish that was normally served in Chinese restaurant as there is this popular saying in Cantonese, "Soong yu tau, waan yu mei" which mean if you want to eat fish head, then eat Soong Yu (Big Head Carp), if you want to eat the fish tail, then eat Wan Yu (Grass Carp). As such, I only have details about this 2 fish.
P.S I wonder what happen to the Soong Yu Tail and the Wan Yu Head if everyone eat like this?

The Malays differentiate this two carp by their scale. Grass carp have thicker scale hence the Malay name of tongsan sisik kasar while
bighead carp have thinner scale hence the name tongsan sisik halus.

Grass Carp
Mandarin name  : 草鱼 (cǎo yú), 鲩 (Huàn), 鲩鱼 (Huàn yú), 油鲩 (yóu huàn)
Cantonese name : 皖鱼 (Waan Yu, Wan Yue) * It is said that due to Cantonese having 9 tones? They pronounce "Huan" as "Waan"
Hokkien name  : Chow Hu
Malay name  : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Kasar, Kap Rumput
Details:
• When the preferred food of the grass carp is not available, this fish feeds on terrestrial (land) vegetation hanging over the surface of the water. In fact, the name "grass carp" comes from its unique ability to consume terrestrial grasses. Other terrestrial plants eaten by grass carp include banana leaves.
• It have elongated, chubby, torpedo-shaped body forms.
• Its terminal mouth is slightly oblique with non-fleshy, firm lips, and no barbels.
• Its body colour is dark olive, shading to brownish-yellow on the sides, with a white belly and large, slightly outlined scales.

Attached Image

Bighead Carp
Mandarin name  : 大头鱼 (Dà tóu yú), 鰫鱼 (Yóng yú), 松鱼 (Sōng yú)
Cantonese name : Soong  Yu
Hokkien name  : Twa Hu, Hua Leng
Malay name  : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Halus, Kap Kepala Besar
Details:
• It has a large, scaleless head, a large mouth, and eyes located very low on the head.
• Adults usually have a mottled silver-gray coloration.
• This fish are primarily filter feeders, preferentially consume zooplankton, but also phytoplankton and detritus.

Attached Image
Some people identify Soong Yu (Bighead carp) as Silver Carp due to their similar look.

* For those who found the information above are not correct, pls comment  biggrin.gif
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif thumbsup.gif Thanks for the info. I have a lot of Soong Yu (the Chinese restaurant wrote it as Soong Fish) before with my elders but I didn't realize those are carp & not native to Malaysia. It really have a lot of bones.
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Let me get back to you regarding the chicken fish later when I ask my old dad about it. He loves seafood and have been eating it since young in our hometown

The ikan Kelah I ate was definitely not Empurau (wang bu Liao).. in Cantonese they called it Hong Kat Lor (red Kelah) . texture was similar to Tengalan. A unique way they steam it is that they don't scrape away the scales and steam it together, apparently you can eat it but I was like no thanks. Here's a picture I took (steamed)

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Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰. It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish.

Other fish that I regularly eat there is patin (ikan patih mas?), Kerai... Very nice. 

If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new, but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak.
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Any news about the chicken fish?
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Hmm. I am curious about it too. I did try the Chicken Fish as Ikan Bakar before & the one i try is the 1st one (Unicorn Leatherjacket). The second one no idea. Maybe only consume by the Malays?
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Yea, I also think TS should start his thread in "Serious Kopitiam". But it already started. Can't change, right?
damn with the abundance of legit knowledge u ppl are sharing here..i also hope this can be moved to serious /k

it's not every day we get to see actual beneficial tered in /k.. nod.gif
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the source of your fish that u bought in market alrdy contaminated with alot of unnatural growth hormones to begin with, especially farmed fish..if u want genuine fish that is good for you and your kids only go for wild caught salmon, tuna, and some local river fish....
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bro..mind to share how to check the mercury level?

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As i mentioned in my first post, all of the info was compiled by me from various sources. It is just a coincidence that I have the same interest in what Leo.Lee was asking for.

1. The legend is about a Malay from Perak who is quite rich (some say poor) and like cockfighting (sabung/laga ayam). Let call him Pak Ali (I forgot his name). His rooster/cock never lose a cockfight and Pak Ali was happy in the beginning. Due to Pak Ali's rooster never lose, nobody dare to put their rooster in a cockfight against Pak Ali's rooster and as such Pak Ali start to feel bored.

The news of Pak Ali's rooster came to the attention of the Sultan Perak and he challenge Pak Ali into a cockfight. The Sultan Perak came up with few conditions/stake for the cockfight. Pak Ali accept it because he was so bored (to the extent of not thinking rationally) and he would do anything just to join a cockfighting. The conditions/stake are Pak Ali's rooster would be exchange with Sultan's rooster and would represent Sultan in the cockfight while Pak Ali would have Sultan's rooster to represent him. If Pak Ali lose, his village, house, wife, children & etc (all his belonging) would be owned by the Sultan Perak. If the Sultan lose, Pak Ali will gain part of the Sultan ruling power/authority and part of Perak state.

In the cockfight, as usual, Pak Ali's rooster win the fight and he was so happy until he realize that his rooster are representing the Sultan. Pak Ali lose everything and went to live in small house near a river. One day, he saw a giant Ikan Tapah washes ashore/stranded beside the river. He dunno what to do until a parrot fly to a tree near Pak Ali and make a sound that sound like "blllah prut". Pak Ali thought it mean "belah perut" (cut the stomach) and so he cut the stomach of the giant Ikan Tapah and to his surprise, there is a lot of gold coming out from the fish stomach. Pak Ali take all the gold and stitch back the fish stomach. He release the Ikan Tapah back to the river and swear to the fish that he & his family & his descendant would not eat, abuse, disrespect & etc (basically not doing any harm) the Ikan Tapah. If anyone of them violate this promise/swear/curse, they will get itchiness and swollen all over their body (basically skin disease) After that, Pak Ali use most of the gold to redeem all his belonging & save some.

Today, Pak Ali's descendant that was in touch with Ikan Tapah their skin would become red and itchy. Then, they will need to go and meet one of Pak Ali descendant who still keep the remaining gold and use that gold to boil with some water. They will drink the water and will be cured from the skin disease.

2. There are a lot of thing that people dunno about South and/or Central America people's diets. Different place have different animals & plant. As such, people would eat whatever is available there. They eat piranha, guinea pig (breed for food same as rabbit), arapaima (original wild caught but caught too much so they farmed it nowadays) and etc. It just that some of their food are not popularized to the rest of the world unlike their chilli, cocoa which made into chocolate, pineapple, papaya, dragon fruit (you do know that it is a fruit of a cactus, right? and only central & south america desert or half desert have cactus. P.S don't go imagine Middle East desert with camel and cactus. lol) and quite recently avocado.

"reared by seafood restaurant guy - near Tropicana club" - are you sure those arapaima are not in the menu?  drool.gif  drool.gif
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Yup, about chili. I told this to some of my friends and they say dun bullshit cause that would mean Indian Curry without chili, Tom Yum no chili, Sambal no chili (some of those friends are Indian & Malay tongue.gif )
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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You better take scuba diving license, and go get FISH ID Lesson instead. Go see themselves in their habitat. Your kids will appreciate it more.

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Nice... a thread full of knowledge.


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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 22 2018, 10:35 PM)
While it is cheap, demand for Tongsan fish from consumers is "almost non-existent", and it is usually hawker stalls and restaurants that buy this type of fish. In Malaysia, I only heard of two Tongsan fish that was normally served in Chinese restaurant as there is this popular saying in Cantonese, "Soong yu tau, waan yu mei" which mean if you want to eat fish head, then eat Soong Yu (Big Head Carp), if you want to eat the fish tail, then eat Wan Yu (Grass Carp). As such, I only have details about this 2 fish.
P.S I wonder what happen to the Soong Yu Tail and the Wan Yu Head if everyone eat like this?
I eat the ginger steam wan yue all the time, but didnt know that it is a carp.... biggrin.gif
Only know that it is a very bony fish.
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bro..mind to share how to check the mercury level?
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inside a fish, u cant . in the waters, u can.


i dont know what's the damn scare with mercurial poisoning. u'd need quite a bit to poison yourselves with it. consuming shit loads of fish wont be enough to poison u unless those fish are caught in waters that are laden with high conductivity. if its too much mercury, the fish will die first before u even get to it. if it's swimming, its fine.

more than 65% of your fish is now farmed. i have inspected many hatcheries and grow-out premises and i find that they are all good and doing well. regardless taiwan, msia, thailand, norway, indoensia, all their hatcheries and grow out are in good conditiion.

The ones using RAS & CRAS farms are the best. No contaminants at all. As a certified personnel in the aquafarming industry, u guys should just relax and eat up. If its caught in the natural, then u can raise some flags. If its farmed, which most likely it is, then eat with ease.
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jan 23 2018, 11:44 AM)
the source of your fish that u bought in market alrdy contaminated with alot of unnatural growth hormones to begin with, especially farmed fish..if u want genuine fish that is good for you and your kids only go for wild caught salmon, tuna, and some local river fish....
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1. I believe TS did say about replacing those famous Omega 3 rich fish with local river fish but concern about freshwater have higher mercury content but xxhenry89xx have explain about it.

2. I thought wild caught fish especially those from faraway are full of preservative? Of course, it depend where was it shipped from.

3. Bottomline is know where your fish come from. Tilapia famous as farmed fish but it doesn't mean all tilapia are bad. Usually tilapia farmed in China and Mekong River (share by Vietnam & Thailand) are the bad one. Even the famous bad dory fish are actually Ikan Patin from Thai. Do you mean you won't eat Ikan Patin (especially those who love Ikan Patin Masak Tempoyak)?

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I eat the ginger steam wan yue all the time, but didnt know that it is a carp....  biggrin.gif
Only know that it is a very bony fish.
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haha.. same as me with the Soong Yee. Thanks for this thread that I know that I only know how to eat but not knowing what I eat. tongue.gif
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please tell me more about growth hormones for fish. i have not come across any yet from my 15+ years of aqua farming. please also do enlighten me, how a farmed fish is worst off than a naturally caught in the wild species. i'd like to see some evidence on that as i am very curious how these data coincides with mine.


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intro to the chinese, they can eat them to extinction there...
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 12:24 PM)
please tell me more about growth hormones for fish. i have not come across any yet from my 15+ years of aqua farming. please also do enlighten me, how a farmed fish is worst off than a naturally caught in the wild species. i'd like to see some evidence on that as i am very curious how these data coincides with mine.
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http://foodforbreastcancer.com/news/farm-r...ficant-hormones
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...c-ghc091602.php

its old news man ....

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the heading itself says MAYBE.
buta ka ?
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the heading itself says MAYBE.
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well its old news ...u can search for latest news regarding genetic mod in farm fish..im glad u still using traditional method of farming ..less harmful for our ppl ..i still have fish tho regardless of their origin ..if its my time then so be it..

https://healinggourmet.com/organic-diet/why...rm-raised-fish/

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i'm not in traditional farming. nobody is in traditional farming. yield is too low using traditional farming. its 2018.

and sardines is in their list of safe to eat seafood ? lol. u should consume more.

genetic mod like what ? durian ? i dont think any of our durians are GMO. only cross breeding, which isnt genetic mods. neither is your grouper species cross breeding a genetic mod. our palm oil also isnt genetically modded. only cross breeding. AFAIK GMO not available for any marine species otherwise u'd see some giant sized snappers and giant sized mackerel and some giant sized oysters. u have giant sized patin which is called Mekong but that's in its original form still.

antibiotics do not work in saltwater where salinity is high. neither does FGH.
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by the way, here are some more pics for all of u to enjoy.


this is what i feed my babies coz they aint gonna be choking on synthetic feed.

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here's around 800 of them swimming and waiting to be grown to 5" before they get transferred.

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some info for everyone in case someone is interested

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my lab equipment which i use to monitor quite a lot of stuff including diseases

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in case u didnt know, fishes change sex from F to M or M to F. they are like.....transgenders lol.

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i'm not in traditional farming. nobody is in traditional farming. yield is too low using traditional farming. its 2018.

and sardines is in their list of safe to eat seafood ? lol. u should consume more.

genetic mod like what ? durian ? i dont think any of our durians are GMO. only cross breeding, which isnt genetic mods. neither is your grouper species cross breeding a genetic mod. our palm oil also isnt genetically modded. only cross breeding. AFAIK GMO not available for any marine species otherwise u'd see some giant sized snappers and giant sized mackerel and some giant sized oysters. u have giant sized patin which is called Mekong but that's in its original form still.

antibiotics do not work in saltwater where salinity is high. neither does FGH.
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how is the profit margin in your case ?
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inside a fish, u cant . in the waters, u can.
i dont know what's the damn scare with mercurial poisoning. u'd need quite a bit to poison yourselves with it. consuming shit loads of fish wont be enough to poison u unless those fish are caught in waters that are laden with high conductivity. if its too much mercury, the fish will die first before u even get to it. if it's swimming, its fine.

more than 65% of your fish is now farmed. i have inspected many hatcheries and grow-out premises and i find that they are all good and doing well. regardless taiwan, msia, thailand, norway, indoensia, all their hatcheries and grow out are in good conditiion.

The ones using RAS & CRAS farms are the best. No contaminants at all. As a certified personnel in the aquafarming industry, u guys should just relax and eat up. If its caught in the natural, then u can raise some flags. If its farmed, which most likely it is, then eat with ease.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 01:45 PM)
i'm not in traditional farming. nobody is in traditional farming. yield is too low using traditional farming. its 2018.

and sardines is in their list of safe to eat seafood ? lol. u should consume more.

genetic mod like what ? durian ? i dont think any of our durians are GMO. only cross breeding, which isnt genetic mods. neither is your grouper species cross breeding a genetic mod. our palm oil also isnt genetically modded. only cross breeding. AFAIK GMO not available for any marine species otherwise u'd see some giant sized snappers and giant sized mackerel and some giant sized oysters. u have giant sized patin which is called Mekong but that's in its original form still.

antibiotics do not work in saltwater where salinity is high. neither does FGH.
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Palm oil no GMO? You sure? I wonder what we're sequencing in ACGT, Sime Darby, MARDI, etc? Antibiotics given in feed can still accumulate in fish. They also accumulate in the sediments in cages.
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Errr.....
Palm oil no GMO? You sure? I wonder what we're sequencing in ACGT, Sime Darby, MARDI, etc? Antibiotics given in feed can still accumulate in fish. They also accumulate in the sediments in cages.
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few months ago i was in a discussion with PORIM about the effects of fertilizer and pesticide impact on conventional aquaculturing. i also did ask them naturally about GMO on Palm Oil trees and other variable enhancements. I was told there was no genetic modifications going on and that they would know cause they are the board.

antibiotics inserted into feed is mainly for freshwater farms, specifically prawn farms. no one in the aquamarin industry would pile on costs to give antibiotics as it is just added cost with very little value or no value. cages is soon to be a thing of the past, and i dont know many who give pellet feed when grow-out is done in cages. most of those i know have a diff diet for those grow-outs in cages out in the sea.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 02:34 PM)
few months ago i was in a discussion with PORIM about the effects of fertilizer and pesticide impact on conventional aquaculturing. i also did ask them naturally about GMO on Palm Oil trees and other variable enhancements. I was told there was no genetic modifications going on and that they would know cause they are the board.

antibiotics inserted into feed is mainly for freshwater farms, specifically prawn farms. no one in the aquamarin industry would pile on costs to give antibiotics as it is just added cost with very little value or no value. cages is soon to be a thing of the past, and i dont know many who give pellet feed when grow-out is done in cages. most of those i know have a diff diet for those grow-outs in cages out in the sea.
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Nahhh..MPOB isn't the sharpest knife in the kitchen. They are genetically modded to increase yield, lower cost, resistance to pest, etc. The problem with these plantations, they don't talk to each other and they don't tell MPOB everything. Too many trade confidentiality. MPOB, 3-MCPD pun tak pandai nak buat efficiently. Dioxin pun belum tahap expert lagi. When we validate their NGS, at least 40% short read errors, like we have to redo, and not cheap wei.

Much uneaten feed, waste, etc laden with peroxide, antibiotics, copper etc end up there la, bro. While you may not actively supply, they still end up at the same place. We find a/b in farmed salmon too. Fish are full of zoonotic pathogens. Also some antibiotic is use as growth promoters. You may not use it, others may. The fertiliser and pesticide you mentioned, also gets back into the water system and might end up at the fish farm.

Back to Hg....a total Hg analysis isn't going to cut it now that we know MeHg is toxic....to us when we ingest some over a period of time.
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Nahhh..MPOB isn't the sharpest knife in the kitchen. They are genetically modded to increase yield, lower cost, resistance to pest, etc. The problem with these plantations, they don't talk to each other and they don't tell MPOB everything. Too many trade confidentiality. MPOB, 3-MCPD pun tak pandai nak buat efficiently. Dioxin pun belum tahap expert lagi. When we validate their NGS, at least 40% short read errors, like we have to redo, and not cheap wei.

Much uneaten feed, waste, etc laden with peroxide, antibiotics, copper etc end up there la, bro. While you may not actively supply, they still end up at the same place. We find a/b in farmed salmon too. Fish are full of zoonotic pathogens. Also some antibiotic is use as growth promoters. You may not use it, others may. The fertiliser and pesticide you mentioned, also gets back into the water system and might end up at the fish farm.

Back to Hg....a total Hg analysis isn't going to cut it now that we know MeHg is toxic....to us when we ingest some over a period of time.
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no choice, in this industry what they say we have to follow. if they say dont have, then dont have. we aren't gonna be the ones arguing with the board, otherwise we jeopardize our business.

your zoo plankton only applicable to very few types of marine species. siakap , jenahak and those ikan merah tahan lasak types. kerapu, tongkol and others cannot. only use pure cultivated rotifer and artemia. even copipot also we leave out. i know someone who owns a mahi-mahi farm here in malaysia. doing pretty well, and he is only purely on 0.03 micron artemia.

you are partially right but still uninformed. the trend is already moving away from conventional farming of grow-out in sangkar. those are the ones baru nak masuk join in the crowd or yang takde modal. every medium sized player has already moved to partial RAS. low discharge, sludge kek, low maintanence, high efficiency. works well especially for those located at perairan selat melaka. those who export gotta comply with LKIM and their respective jabatan perikanan (moa). since i'm qualified, i was put to certify a few plants and premises and all i see are RAS and CRAS systems. no foreign objects, no foreign modules, no foreign particles, no foreign matter.

the only reason why there was a discussion between us and MPOB is the worries of the discharge flow, industrial waste and the pesticide/ferti that seeps into the soil and slushed away by rainfall into the sea. palm oil plantation and aquafarming dont really work hand in hand. we're more like i hate u, u hate me kind of thing.

but do rest assure, majority are moving or have moved to RAS. its the only way to obtain a higher yield and control diseases and water quality. the protein skimmer, degasser, inducer, ozone and biomedia + UV is enough. conductivity is monitored constantly so i can assure u, there are little or next to no elements of metal. its pretty much a stripped up clean water pretty close to De-ionised water system (cept we retain salinity)
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 03:19 PM)
no choice, in this industry what they say we have to follow. if they say dont have, then dont have. we aren't gonna be the ones arguing with the board, otherwise we jeopardize our business.

your zoo plankton only applicable to very few types of marine species. siakap , jenahak and those ikan merah tahan lasak types. kerapu, tongkol and others cannot. only use pure cultivated rotifer and artemia. even copipot also we leave out. i know someone who owns a mahi-mahi farm here in malaysia. doing pretty well, and he is only purely on 0.03 micron artemia.

you are partially right but still uninformed. the trend is already moving away from conventional farming of grow-out in sangkar. those are the ones baru nak masuk join in the crowd or yang takde modal. every medium sized player has already moved to partial RAS. low discharge, sludge kek, low maintanence, high efficiency. works well especially for those located at perairan selat melaka. those who export gotta comply with LKIM and their respective jabatan perikanan (moa). since i'm qualified, i was put to certify a few plants and premises and all i see are RAS and CRAS systems. no foreign objects, no foreign modules, no foreign particles, no foreign matter.

the only reason why there was a discussion between us and MPOB is the worries of the discharge flow, industrial waste and the pesticide/ferti that seeps into the soil and slushed away by rainfall into the sea. palm oil plantation and aquafarming dont really work hand in hand. we're more like i hate u, u hate me kind of thing.

but do rest assure, majority are moving or have moved to RAS. its the only way to obtain a higher yield and control diseases and water quality. the protein skimmer, degasser, inducer, ozone and biomedia + UV is enough. conductivity is monitored constantly so i can assure u, there are little or next to no elements of metal. its pretty much a stripped up clean water pretty close to De-ionised water system (cept we retain salinity)
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We'll see....I just hope we don't impose a voluntary ban like we did a few years ago. Better that than getting banned by EU.
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We'll see....I just hope we don't impose a voluntary ban like we did a few years ago. Better that than getting banned by EU.
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freshwater con9lan7firm will kena. marine no way. none of your protein feed, antibiotic feed will hold in high salinity waters. this is the reason why protein sources are kept at a minimal in pellet feed for marine species. its more krill and less fats less protein. the younger the fries are, the less then protein and fats the higher the krill content.
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in case u didnt know, fishes change sex from F to M or M to F. they are like.....transgenders lol.

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many dunno this..pls share more...so /k can be enlightened..
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upcars so if I want to eat fish almost every day what kind of fish, both fresh and canned, should I buy?
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 03:19 PM)
i know someone who owns a mahi-mahi farm here in malaysia.
wat there's a mahi2 farm? damn..to think i accompanied my friend out deep sea fishing when we were in nz...
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Quality thread here +1000

upcars so if I want to eat fish almost every day what kind of fish, both fresh and canned, should I buy?
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Too much of a single thing also not good leh bro. Those farmed groupers/kerapu should be on gred A these days. We export alot to HK and China.

Siakap is like the tilapia. Manyak tahan lasak. I don't like siakap cause the meat is not so chewy and not because farmed siakap not good.

U wallap those snapper family daily also no issue. Your jenahak, Kaci, ikan merah, u rotate la. Snapper not expensive and affordable. Just 1 up from siakap pricing nia.

Mini chewables u all try avoid. Belanak, kembung , cencaru, mabong , sadin . Eat less of it. Those very high heavy metal content
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wat there's a mahi2 farm? damn..to think i accompanied my friend out deep sea fishing when we were in nz...
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Mahi farm in Msia for >6 years jor. The one even I also impressed is the beluga farm.....in Msia. This when I first visit also I shit brix. No trout or spot farm yet in Msia though.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 06:05 PM)
Too much of a single thing also not good leh bro. Those farmed groupers/kerapu should be on gred A these days. We export alot to HK and China.

Siakap is like the tilapia. Manyak tahan lasak. I don't like siakap cause the meat is not so chewy and not because farmed siakap not good.

U wallap those snapper family daily also no issue. Your jenahak, Kaci, ikan merah, u rotate la. Snapper not expensive and affordable. Just 1 up from siakap pricing nia.

Mini chewables u all try avoid. Belanak, kembung , cencaru, mabong , sadin . Eat less of it. Those very high heavy metal content
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I don't eat every day but can be quite often when the mood strikes... like every 2 days
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Saltwater fish

Unicorn Leatherjacket
Also known as : Unicorn Filefish 
Mandarin name : 鹿仔鱼 (Lù zǐ yú), 鸡鱼 (Jī yú), 肉竹 (Ròu zhú)
Hokkien name : Keh Hu, Bak Teik
Malay name : Ikan Barat-barat, Kerosok Padi, Ayam Laut
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• This fish is sold/marketed as "Chicken Fish" in Malaysia.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.za/LocationPhoto...ersekutuan.html
The links above show the photo of the fish sold at Jalan Alor.

When I try to search about the fish, I found that the fish is called Unicorn Leatherjacket in English, Ikan Barat-barat in Malay and Keh Hu in Hokkien. And the image results based on using the information above are definitely showing the same fish. However, when I search using the terms "Chicken Fish", I found some fish image that definitely not Ikan Barat-barat/Unicorn Leatherjacket, instead it is another type of fish called Starry triggerfish and Ikan Jebong/Ayam Laut in Malay. Most of the search results are from Malay blog and as such, saying that Starry triggerfish is the "Chicken Fish".

http://sharingthotsandluv.blogspot.my/2013...asam-manis.html
One of the blog that write about Starry triggerfish/Ikan Jebong.

My question is which is the real identity of "Chicken Fish" in Malaysia. Note that when i say in Malaysia because there is another Chicken fish from Vanuatu near Solomon Islands called poulet fish.

Or is it both consider as the Chicken fish? Just like how the Chinese identify both freshwater catfish and marine/saltwater catfish as Tong Sat (Cantonese)?


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It is said to be taste like chicken. Hence, it is sold under the name of “Chicken Fish” in Malaysia.

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xxhenry89xx, I found someone say they ate "Starry triggerfish/Ikan Jebong" in Museum of Kopitiam.

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QUOTE(liquidsny @ Apr 20 2013, 04:00 PM)
i was about to post this 
it tasted like chicken really tasty
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in case u didnt know, fishes change sex from F to M or M to F. they are like.....transgenders lol.

https://i.imgur.com/5YaOeuH.jpg 
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Don't tell me that this is the Goliath Grouper that you mention in previous few post?
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Too much of a single thing also not good leh bro. Those farmed groupers/kerapu should be on gred A these days. We export alot to HK and China.

Siakap is like the tilapia. Manyak tahan lasak. I don't like siakap cause the meat is not so chewy and not because farmed siakap not good.

U wallap those snapper family daily also no issue. Your jenahak, Kaci, ikan merah, u rotate la. Snapper not expensive and affordable. Just 1 up from siakap pricing nia.

Mini chewables u all try avoid. Belanak, kembung , cencaru, mabong , sadin . Eat less of it. Those very high heavy metal content
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What a great description!! *mini chewables*

Which reminds me someone told me not to buy that itty bitty ikan bills - whitebait; claimed that it's bleached.

I wonder if it's true.

I like it fried garing2 so much.
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P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

Saltwater fish

Narrow-barred Spanish Mackerel
Mandarin name  : 马鲛鱼 (Mǎ jiāo yú), 康氏马鲛 (Kāng shì mǎ jiāo)
Cantonese name: Kau Yue, Chuk Kau
Hokkien name : Tek Ka
Malay name  : Ikan Tenggiri Batang
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• It has long body, lack of scales and thick rubbery skin.
• It has dark bluish-grey to bluish-green top body, silvery grey sides and whitish belly with multiple dark grey vertical bars pattern on its body.
• When selecting a Narrow-barred Spanish Mackerel, make sure that its flesh is slightly pinkish and not in whitish colour. The blood clots around the bone should be fresh red in colour. (refer the fish cross-section as below)

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The cross-section of the fish

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Spotted Spanish Mackerel
Also known as  : Indo-Pacific King Mackerel / Spotted Seerfish
Mandarin name  : 马鲛鱼 (Mǎ jiāo yú), 斑点马鲛 (Bān diǎn mǎ jiāo)
Cantonese name : Kau Yue
Hokkien name  : Beh Ka
Malay name  : Ikan Tenggiri Papan, Ikan Tenggiri Bunga
Details:
• It has silvery white sides with several rows of round dark brownish spots scattered in about three irregular rows along the lateral line.

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Korean Seerfish
Also known as  : Korean Mackerel
Mandarin name  : 马鲛鱼 (Mǎ jiāo yú), 朝鲜马鲛 (Cháoxiǎn mǎ jiāo)
Cantonese name : Kau Yue
Hokkien name  : Tua Pan
Malay name  : Ikan Tenggiri Korea
Details:
• Compare with the Narrow-Barred Spanish Mackerel & Spotted Spanish Mackerel, this fish have a more distinct hump above the eyes which make it look a bit “fiercer”.

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xxhenry89xx, did you do some update? I remember there is no mackerel in your list when i read it.
Btw, I heard that there are people (especially Chinese) that call Narrow-barred Spanish Mackerel as Batang Yu/Batang fish.

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xxhenry89xx, did you do some update? I remember there is no mackerel in your list when i read it.
Btw, I heard that there are people (especially Chinese) that call Narrow-barred Spanish Mackerel as Batang Yu/Batang fish.
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Yes biggrin.gif tongue.gif I did update it for TS.
Yes about Batang Fish. I did noticed that but i think it is mostly use by Singaporean (if I am not mistaken.)
I didn't write it down cause for a banana like me it sound really wrong.
Imagine a conversation between 2 banana as below:
A: Hey, do you wan to eat my Batang fish. I just baked/cooked it.
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P.S it sound like asking ppl to do BJ (if you know what i meant. brows.gif ) for you.

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QUOTE(Allen.89 @ Jan 23 2018, 06:44 PM)
Don't tell me that this is the Goliath Grouper that you mention in previous few post?
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goliath grouper cannot be farmed.. should be hybrid grouper
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Dragon Tiger Grouper
Also known as  : Hybrid Grouper / Sabah Grouper
Scientific name  : Epinephelus Fuscoguttatus x Epinephelus Lanceolatus
Mandarin name  : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 龙虎班 (Lóng hǔ bān)
Cantonese name : Long Fu Paan
Malay name  : Kerapu Hibrid, Kerapu Kacukan
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• A new type of grouper results from cross-breeding.
• There are a lot of hybrid grouper in the current market but the first hybrid grouper is cross-bred via researches from Universiti Malaysia Sabah (UMS), Malaysia, in collaboration among researchers of the Borneo Marine Research Institute of UMS, the Fisheries Development Authority of Malaysia (LKIM) and Kinki University of Japan, represented by Prof. Dr Shigeharu Senoo of UMS.
• This grouper was produced by fertilising the eggs of the tiger grouper (Brown Marbled Grouper or Lao Hu Ban in Mandarin) with the sperm of the giant grouper (Long Dan in Mandarin – literally mean Dragon Grouper) through the in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) technique; hence earning its name of Dragon Tiger Grouper derives from its Chinese name.

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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 17 2018, 11:39 AM)
Most Marine fish are farmed as well.
Hybrid grouper is a cross between tiger and Goliath and hence is what you are eating in most of the restaurants. But they still coin it as sek pan, even though it's already crossed hybrid between 2 species.
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jan 19 2018, 09:11 PM)
Fren, you really think we have goliath grouper in the menu ? It is a 400kg fish.

This is a Goliath Grouper.Look at the size of this monster. It is even harder to pull up than a shark, just less stamina but massive resistance. It is a critically endangered species.

I think the fish that most chinese call "Loong Dan" is Giant Grouper. Goliath grouper and giant grouper is not the same.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 19 2018, 10:50 PM)
Yes we do. Our Goliath grouper, Taiwan Goliath, Indonesia Goliath and Thailand Goliath is diff species but all under this category.
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Because the guy mati-mati say Dragon Tiger Grouper is mixed between Tiger Grouper & Goliath Grouper (actually with Giant Grouper or Loong Dan). So, I was wondering...

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Don't tell me that this is the Goliath Grouper that you mention in previous few post?
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No. I already said b4 that Goliath and beluga are confidential information which i am not allowed to reveal.
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QUOTE(Allen.89 @ Jan 23 2018, 09:20 PM)
Because the guy mati-mati say Dragon Tiger Grouper is mixed between Tiger Grouper & Goliath Grouper (actually with Giant Grouper or Loong Dan). So, I was wondering...
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Not to worry. In about 2 years you will get to taste the new long fu pan commercially.. Which is hybrid #3. Goliath cross breed with tiger . In Taiwan, this is available. In Msia..... Need some time more. Taiwan is the only country to successfully mass breed Goliath for now. We are close by together with Indonesia.

Goliath growth speedy, but the sperm is not so easy to obtain. So for now, if u want to eat the latest hybrid long fu pan, it's Taiwan. Msia got but is import. Not locally produced commercially yet.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 10:43 PM)
No. I already said b4 that Goliath and beluga are confidential information which i am not allowed to reveal.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 10:52 PM)
Not to worry. In about 2 years you will get to taste the new long fu pan commercially.. Which is hybrid #3. Goliath cross breed with tiger . In Taiwan, this is available. In Msia..... Need some time more. Taiwan is the only country to successfully mass breed Goliath for now. We are close by together with Indonesia.

Goliath growth speedy, but the sperm is not so easy to obtain. So for now, if u want to eat the latest hybrid long fu pan, it's Taiwan. Msia got but is import. Not locally produced commercially yet.
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Ahhh.. I think i know what you mean now.

1. You most probably not referring to the original Long Fu Pan when you said it is a hybrid from Tiger + Goliath.

2. Since goliath are not from Asia, Chinese (normal people) especially might not have name for Goliath Grouper but it is close enough to Giant Grouper. So, you call the Goliath as Long Dan as well.

3. I see. There is some kind of new breeding program / research using goliath grouper to make use of its fast growth gene.

4. I see. I do heard that Taiwan are leading ahead in farming grouper.
An article from WWF (World Wildlife Fund/World Wide Fund for Nature) state:
"Responsible grouper farming
While giant grouper in Taiwan is now based almost entirely on full-cycle culture, the farming of this species in other countries (i.e., Indonesia and Malaysia) still relies mostly on wild-caught seed for grow-out. With its technological superiority and proximity to markets in Hong Kong and China, Taiwan has dominated the supply of this species for many years with little scrutiny over sustainability and quality issues."

The rest of the articles in:
WWF's article about Taiwan's grouper farming

Not really about goliath grouper but about grouper farming in Taiwan.




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QUOTE(Allen.89 @ Jan 23 2018, 11:47 PM)
Ahhh.. I think i know what you mean now.

1. You most probably not referring to the original Long Fu Pan when you said it is a hybrid from Tiger + Goliath.

2. Since goliath are not from Asia, Chinese (normal people) especially might not have name for Goliath Grouper but it is close enough to Giant Grouper. So, you call the Goliath as Long Dan as well.

3. I see. There is some kind of new breeding program / research using goliath grouper to make use of its fast growth gene.

4. I see. I do heard that Taiwan are leading ahead in farming grouper.
An article from WWF (World Wildlife Fund/World Wide Fund for Nature) state:
"Responsible grouper farming
While giant grouper in Taiwan is now based almost entirely on full-cycle culture, the farming of this species in other countries (i.e., Indonesia and Malaysia) still relies mostly on wild-caught seed for grow-out. With its technological superiority and proximity to markets in Hong Kong and China, Taiwan has dominated the supply of this species for many years with little scrutiny over sustainability and quality issues."

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WWF's article about Taiwan's grouper farming

Not really about goliath grouper but about grouper farming in Taiwan.


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The original is correct. Is giant grouper male with tiger female. That is original long Fu pan. But that was years ago. Now is Goliath male with tiger female. I know a few famous Chinese restaurant chain which started importing their own from Taiwan. Kajang fei chui is one where u can find the newest hybrid grouper. Goliath with tiger cross breed.

U won't see size diff cause table size is still within 1kg-3kg. But the growth rate and immune system improvements.....fuhhh best wei.

We do have Goliath in our Waters Just that it is very rare and we just follow since there is already a scientific name given. No point to call your same species another name when a name has already been present. The only issue with this entire procedure lies in the Goliath sperm.

I have to admit, Taiwan had great tech and techniques, Thailand and Indonesia is actually not that far off. We.....Abit slacking la usual la.

Is now 2018. Even proton saga has new design. Nobody calls them proton saga 2. It's still proton saga. Same as long Fu pan.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 24 2018, 12:10 AM)
The original is correct. Is giant grouper male with tiger female. That is original long Fu pan. But that was years ago. Now is Goliath male with tiger female. I know a few famous Chinese restaurant chain which started importing their own from Taiwan. Kajang fei chui is one where u can find the newest hybrid grouper. Goliath with tiger cross breed.

U won't see size diff cause table size is still within 1kg-3kg. But the growth rate and immune system improvements.....fuhhh best wei.

We do have Goliath in our Waters Just that it is very rare and we just follow since there is already a scientific name given. No point to call your same species another name when a name has already been present. The only issue with this entire procedure lies in the Goliath sperm.

I have to admit, Taiwan had great tech and techniques, Thailand and Indonesia is actually not that far off. We.....Abit slacking la usual la.

Is now 2018. Even proton saga has new design. Nobody calls them proton saga 2. It's still proton saga. Same as long Fu pan.
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I see. I think i understand what you are trying to say now, more or less.

"U won't see size diff cause table size", yup I understand. cause it is farmed. Most farmed fish would be considered as marketable / can eat liao / big enough around 1 - 2 kg.
The reason for using a speedy growth gene is to cut cost. Example (the duration is fake, as example only): Something like normal grouper maybe take 1 year to reach 1-2kg size, then long fu pan take 6 months because of Giant grouper growth gene, then the one with Goliath gene only take 3 months = cut cost like feeding lesser, production higher.

kajang one? you mean this one?
Kajang Fei Chui Restaurant
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QUOTE(Allen.89 @ Jan 24 2018, 12:20 AM)
I see. I think i understand what you are trying to say now, more or less.

"U won't see size diff cause table size", yup I understand. cause it is farmed. Most farmed fish would be considered as marketable / can eat liao / big enough around 1 - 2 kg.
The reason for using a speedy growth gene is to cut cost. Example (the duration is fake, as example only): Something like normal grouper maybe take 1 year to reach 1-2kg size, then long fu pan take 6 months because of Giant grouper growth gene, then the one with Goliath gene only take 3 months = cut cost like feeding lesser, production higher.

kajang one? you mean this one?
Kajang Fei Chui Restaurant
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Pretty much that. U cut the time it takes to grow, u cut the expenses of farming to obtain a quicker yield. Feed is a diff story so I won't touch on that portion. U won't be feeding any lesser. In fact u actually feed more.
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no choice, in this industry what they say we have to follow. if they say dont have, then dont have. we aren't gonna be the ones arguing with the board, otherwise we jeopardize our business.

your zoo plankton only applicable to very few types of marine species. siakap , jenahak and those ikan merah tahan lasak types. kerapu, tongkol and others cannot. only use pure cultivated rotifer and artemia. even copipot also we leave out. i know someone who owns a mahi-mahi farm here in malaysia. doing pretty well, and he is only purely on 0.03 micron artemia.

you are partially right but still uninformed. the trend is already moving away from conventional farming of grow-out in sangkar. those are the ones baru nak masuk join in the crowd or yang takde modal. every medium sized player has already moved to partial RAS. low discharge, sludge kek, low maintanence, high efficiency. works well especially for those located at perairan selat melaka. those who export gotta comply with LKIM and their respective jabatan perikanan (moa). since i'm qualified, i was put to certify a few plants and premises and all i see are RAS and CRAS systems. no foreign objects, no foreign modules, no foreign particles, no foreign matter.

the only reason why there was a discussion between us and MPOB is the worries of the discharge flow, industrial waste and the pesticide/ferti that seeps into the soil and slushed away by rainfall into the sea. palm oil plantation and aquafarming dont really work hand in hand. we're more like i hate u, u hate me kind of thing.

but do rest assure, majority are moving or have moved to RAS. its the only way to obtain a higher yield and control diseases and water quality. the protein skimmer, degasser, inducer, ozone and biomedia + UV is enough. conductivity is monitored constantly so i can assure u, there are little or next to no elements of metal. its pretty much a stripped up clean water pretty close to De-ionised water system (cept we retain salinity)
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very interesting and informative read...

I dabble in home fish rearing and breeding to feed my bigger fish last time, got few ponds and aquariums... always put those green and blue meds in water change to prevent diesease outbreaks, but didn't know bout the consequences of it. No more now, only small aquarium and sometimes I help maintain my friend saltwater/coral, tropical/aquascaping, ponds and turtle/tortise when he is away.

I read about antibiotics in fishes especially in tilapia and basa (fusually from Vietnam?), and its good to know that dont have this issues with saltwater fish. I try to avoid these fishes if possible. What is your take on these fishes, sometimes eat tilapia at those tai chow restaurants.
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What the fish TS is struggling with fish most than his wife and kids having their struggles with fish.

Seriously what the fish??!!!
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QUOTE(Allen.89 @ Jan 23 2018, 07:13 PM)
xxhenry89xx, did you do some update? I remember there is no mackerel in your list when i read it.
Btw, I heard that there are people (especially Chinese) that call Narrow-barred Spanish Mackerel as Batang Yu/Batang fish.
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 23 2018, 08:32 PM)
Yes  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif  I did update it for TS.
Yes about Batang Fish. I did noticed that but i think it is mostly use by Singaporean (if I am not mistaken.)
I didn't write it down cause for a banana like me it sound really wrong.
Imagine a conversation between 2 banana as below:
A: Hey, do you wan to eat my Batang fish. I just baked/cooked it.
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P.S it sound like asking ppl to do BJ (if you know what i meant.  brows.gif ) for you.
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I would definitely won't told my kids about Batang Fish.

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From a normal enquiry about fish, just to see how you guys feel about mercury in fish (and hope to get some more source of other mercury related stuff) & fish identification, the thread have become where to eat fish then fish farming.

Maybe suddenly it will become angling/fishing or fish as pet next?
It starting to become like "All about fish" encyclopedia with all this info.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 24 2018, 01:04 AM)
Pretty much that. U cut the time it takes to grow, u cut the expenses of farming to obtain a quicker yield. Feed is a diff story so I won't touch on that portion. U won't be feeding any lesser. In fact u actually feed more.
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Look like those fatass goliath are big eater. hahaha
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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i dun know what fish contain more Omega 3 but i know most mercury are found in deep sea so avoid sea fish if wanna get rid of mercury , but river fish also will has mercury if the river contaminated by factory
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It is simple rule. The expensive fish has more mercury laugh.gif

Mercury accumulated. So, the higher the fish in food chain (the longer the fish lives, naturally), the more the mercury accumulated. Small fish eat plankton. It has minute amount of mercury, Then the bigger fish eats the smaller fish. the mercury accumulated and so on. smile.gif
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just go with sardines to be safe. FRESH sardines tho, not canned ones
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 06:07 PM)
Mahi farm in Msia for >6 years jor. The one even I also impressed is the beluga farm.....in Msia. This when I first visit also I shit brix. No trout or spot farm yet in Msia though.
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beluga farm? wat the....but for what? i thought beluga's meant for zoo only..

or u mean sturgeon for their caviar?

inb4 beluga sturgeon owaiii
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What is Mercury Poisoning?


One of the example case of eating fish from highly polluted water.


The Minamata Disease




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While it is cheap, demand for Tongsan fish from consumers is "almost non-existent", and it is usually hawker stalls and restaurants that buy this type of fish. In Malaysia, I only heard of two Tongsan fish that was normally served in Chinese restaurant as there is this popular saying in Cantonese, "Soong yu tau, waan yu mei" which mean if you want to eat fish head, then eat Soong Yu (Big Head Carp), if you want to eat the fish tail, then eat Wan Yu (Grass Carp). As such, I only have details about this 2 fish.
P.S I wonder what happen to the Soong Yu Tail and the Wan Yu Head if everyone eat like this?

The Malays differentiate this two carp by their scale. Grass carp have thicker scale hence the Malay name of tongsan sisik kasar while
bighead carp have thinner scale hence the name tongsan sisik halus.

Grass Carp
Mandarin name  : 草鱼 (Cǎo yú), 鲩 (Huàn), 鲩鱼 (Huàn yú), 油鲩 (Yóu huàn)
Cantonese name : 皖鱼 (Waan Yu, Wan Yue) * It is said that due to Cantonese having 9 tones? They pronounce "Huan" as "Waan"
Hokkien name  : Chow Hu
Malay name  : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Kasar, Kap Rumput
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• When the preferred food of the grass carp is not available, this fish feeds on terrestrial (land) vegetation hanging over the surface of the water. In fact, the name "grass carp" comes from its unique ability to consume terrestrial grasses. Other terrestrial plants eaten by grass carp include banana leaves.
• It have elongated, chubby, torpedo-shaped body forms.
• Its terminal mouth is slightly oblique with non-fleshy, firm lips, and no barbels.
• Its body colour is dark olive, shading to brownish-yellow on the sides, with a white belly and large, slightly outlined scales.

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Bighead Carp
Mandarin name  : 大头鱼 (Dà tóu yú), 鰫鱼 (Yóng yú), 松鱼 (Sōng yú)
Cantonese name : Soong  Yu
Hokkien name  : Twa Hu, Hua Leng
Malay name  : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Halus, Kap Kepala Besar
Details:
• It has a large, scaleless head, a large mouth, and eyes located very low on the head.
• Adults usually have a mottled silver-gray coloration.
• This fish are primarily filter feeders, preferentially consume zooplankton, but also phytoplankton and detritus.

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Some people identify Soong Yu (Bighead carp) as Silver Carp due to their similar look.

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Speaking of fish head, how about those fish which is always use for fish head curry?

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What is Mercury Poisoning?
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One of the example case of eating fish from highly polluted water.
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The Minamata Disease
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 26 2018, 09:51 AM)
Speaking of fish head, how about those fish which is always use for fish head curry?
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Ahhh fish head curry. That would be the snapper.

But not only the origin of fish head curry (Malaysia/Singapore) are controversial, the name of different snapper in English, Malay, Hokkien (northern Hokkien e.g. Penang, southern Hokkien e.g. Johor, Singapore Hokkien, East Malaysia Hokkien) are a mess too. Based on my limited understanding, red snapper is referred by the Hokkien as Ang Hu ? or Ang Kueh/Kuay ? but in English speaking community, red snapper is from tropical water around central & south America (atlantic/pacific?) which is around the same area as where Goliath Grouper are from.

I read somewhere before that there are 1 types of snapper (Crimson Snapper) that Australian (consider close to us, Malaysia) ang moh would die die say it is red snapper when debate about red snapper with ang moh from other country especially USA (cause the other 2 major ang moh country is Canada & UK which have cold water while snapper are mainly tropical fish).

There is also another type of snapper that would be refers as red snapper occasionally by Australian. So, I will include informations about those 2 snapper and a few snapper that I know about.

As my personal conclusion, Red snapper / Ang Hu / Ang Kueh or Kuay / Ikan Merah is a common name or umbrella term (most probably true in Malaysia). It refers to all red coloured snapper, in a same way when we say dog while ang sai, ang goi, ang zhor & etc would be the same as when we say a husky, corgi and etc.

P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

And before that maybe I should includes an external anatomy of a fish as the descriptions of a fish would always talk about body part like dorsal fin, pectoral fin, pelvic fin, anal fin, lateral line & etc.

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* Btw, all tropical snapper have canine teeth to grab hold of its prey.

Saltwater fish

Crimson Snapper
Also known as : Crimson Seaperch / Red Bream
Mandarin name : 红鸡 (Hóng jī)
Hokkien name : Ang Goi, Chun Goi
Malay name : Ikan Merah, Merah Pucat

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Emperor Red Snapper
Also known as : Government Bream
Mandarin name : 红狮 (Hóng shī), 关刀红 (Guān dāo hóng)
Cantonese name : 紅三刀 (Hung Sam Dou)
Hokkien name : Ang Sai
Malay name : Ikan Merah Coreng, Merah Boring
Details:
• A striking tropical snapper with a reddish to pink body and red fins.
• Juveniles and young adults have a red band/stripe on its body which will fade as the fish grows into adulthood such that they are a uniformly/homogeneous/overall red colour when fully grown.
• The Emperor Red Snapper also has a distinctive arch in the head that makes it easily distinguishable from the Crimson Snapper.
• This fish are known in Australasia as “Government Bream” perhaps because the red band/stripes give the impression that it is entangled in red tape or that it is reminiscent of the symbol for government property.

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Juvenile Emperor Red Snapper

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Adult Emperor Red Snapper

John’s Snapper
Also known as : Golden Snapper / Fingermark Bream
Mandarin name : 紅鰽 (Hóng qiú), 红皂 (Hóng zào), 红潮 (Hóng cháo)
Cantonese name : 牙點 (Ngaa Dim)
Hokkien name : Ang Zhor
Malay name : Ikan Jenahak, Ungah
Details:
• This fish has faint vertical bands on its body and each of its scale has a distinct little dark spot on it which makes it look as if there are several dotted lines radiating from the head to the tail of the fish. The vertical bands pattern are extremely prominent in juvenile fish and will eventually fade away to the level of just some hints of the vertical bands or can’t be seen at all as this fish reaches adulthood.
• It has a dark sport/“fingermark” beneath the dorsal fin which may fade away or disappear as it dies once taken out from the water or grows in size.
• The body of this fish are golden-brown to reddish skin tint and the dorsal fin and tail can be yellow to red in colour.

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John's snapper

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John’s Snapper which has lost its “fingermark”

Russell’s Snapper
Also known as : Moses Snapper / Fingermark Bream
Mandarin name : 紅鰽痣 (Hóng qiú zhì), 红皂记 (Hóng zào jì)
Cantonese name : 火點 (Fo Dim)
Hokkien name : Ang Zhor Kee
Malay name : Ikan Tanda
Details:
• This fish has horizontal yellow stripes across its body. The pattern is extremely prominent in juvenile fish and will eventually fade away as it gets bigger and older.
• It has a dark sport/“fingermark” beneath the dorsal fin which stay even after it dies or reaches adulthood.
• The body of this fish are pale gold/silvery white to pinkish colour. Its dorsal fin and tail are purple with bright yellow pectoral, pelvic and anal fin.

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Russell’s Snapper

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Juvenile Russell’s Snapper with more noticeable horizontal yellow stripes.

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Russell’s Snapper with rosy pink colour

Mangrove Red Snapper
Also known as : Mangrove Jack / Dog Bream / Rock Barramundi
Mandarin name : 赤鰽 (Chì qiú), 红家定 (Hóng jiā dìng)
Cantonese name : 紅𩵼 (Hung Yau)
Hokkien name : Ciak Zhor
Malay name : Siakap Merah, Kakap Merah
Details:
• Mostly found in mangrove swamp, hence the name. Those which found in mangrove swamp tend to be younger fish.
• It has noticeable canine teeth.
• Coloration of this fish ranges from burnt orange, to copper, to bronze and dark reddish-brown, depending on its age and environment.
• The younger fish in brackish water usually have darker colour than the older fish from offshore reef areas (saltwater). Usually those older fish head to saltwater from brackish water to breed/spawn.

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Noticeable canine teeth

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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 20 2018, 12:50 AM)
Whoa. So, I assume the Goliath that you are referring are a type of hybrid too? Not the natural/wild one?

Belugas? The dolphin? Why you guys want to breed that?
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 06:07 PM)
Mahi farm in Msia for >6 years jor. The one even I also impressed is the beluga farm.....in Msia. This when I first visit also I shit brix. No trout or spot farm yet in Msia though.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 10:43 PM)
No. I already said b4 that Goliath and beluga are confidential information which i am not allowed to reveal.
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QUOTE(Kim Bi Jan @ Jan 24 2018, 01:27 PM)
beluga farm? wat the....but for what? i thought beluga's meant for zoo only..

or u mean sturgeon for their caviar?

inb4 beluga sturgeon owaiii
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Sturgeon-farming project: How Felda 5 beat the system

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 27 2018, 04:16 PM)
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Is this why the guy say it is a secret?

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Maybe his project is in a new location after the one mention in the news failed or proven to be fake.
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Not my project and that project is a joint between gov and private.
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My baby is 2months old. My wife eat fish almost everyday when she is pregnant. She only eat threadfin fish 午鱼, sardines, promfret, cod and salmon only. Cod and salmon only consume every 10days to 14days once. And she drink avocado juice thrice a week and take neurogain pb 300 everyday.



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QUOTE(coca^cola @ Jan 27 2018, 06:05 PM)
My baby is 2months old. My wife eat fish almost everyday when she is pregnant. She only eat threadfin fish 午鱼, sardines, promfret, cod and salmon only. Cod and salmon only consume every 10days to 14days once. And she drink avocado juice thrice a week and take  neurogain pb 300 everyday.
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Skip salmon and cod

Replace with Jade Perch local farm.
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QUOTE(coca^cola @ Jan 27 2018, 06:05 PM)
My baby is 2months old. My wife eat fish almost everyday when she is pregnant. She only eat threadfin fish 午鱼, sardines, promfret, cod and salmon only. Cod and salmon only consume every 10days to 14days once. And she drink avocado juice thrice a week and take  neurogain pb 300 everyday.
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Which type of threadfin fish 午鱼?
After seeing what xxhenry89xx wrote, I better stick to Ikan Senangin / Fourfinger Threadfin / Peh Ngor .

sardines, promfret, cod and salmon, I agreed

cod? hmmm

I think i better add some seaweed too for my wife & kids. and use anchovies, grind it into powder to make soup or stock for cooking.

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QUOTE(sohailayhun @ Jan 27 2018, 06:37 PM)
Skip salmon and cod

Replace with Jade Perch local farm.
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Jade perch? Do you know it Chinese, Malay, & etc name?
Mercury level ok?

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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jan 19 2018, 11:26 PM)
Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰 (ding Jia lan in Mandarin, Ding Ga Lan in Cantonese). It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish.

Regarding Soon Hock price, the price selling in the wet market is quite cheap. In restaurants it's not very cheap as well like in KL/Selangor.

If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new (opened in the past few years) but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak.
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Just finish eating at chat sook here. River tilapia is rm45 per kg n bak so kung at rm55 per kg. Will be back again next time 😁
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QUOTE(sohailayhun @ Jan 27 2018, 06:37 PM)
Skip salmon and cod

Replace with Jade Perch local farm.
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Last week eat longfinperch
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Just ate sardine innocent.gif innocent.gif
Ayam brand canned sardines.
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Feb 1 2018, 02:30 PM)
Just finish eating at chat sook here. River tilapia is rm45 per kg n bak so kung at rm55 per kg. Will be back again next time 😁
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Nice, hopefully you ate their famous spring rolls as well.

Lenggong is also famous for their fried hand made fish paste wan tan noodles... You should absolutely try it next time you're here
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Nice info. thumbup.gif thumbsup.gif

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Phew.. quite a good reading material.
TS, Leo.Lee and xxhenry89xx, I know that this thread have been a while but I would take my chance in asking how about other kind of seafood like lala, siham, hoi sam?
I mean at least their English name > Mandarin name > Malay name?

I am lazy to open a new thread with no reply or with nonsense reply. I might as well just post it here where it seem there is quite a few seafood experts here.

This post has been edited by Shinoshin: Apr 16 2018, 11:14 AM
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lol . Leo.Lee, TS, is this your post?
Table of common edible fish in Malaysia (Reddit)



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Just sharing this journal for who like to read. i'm not browse all 10 pages so i apologize if already bening shared.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4334092/

Total mercury levels in marine fish sampled from the fish landing ports and the wholesale markets in Peninsular Malaysia are summarized in Table 3. Mercury levels of 46 marine fish species ranged from 0.055 to 2.537 mg/kg of dry weight. Significant variations of mercury levels exist in different species (χKW2 = 103.581; p < 0.001).

Among pelagic fish, the median for mercury levels was higher (>0.5 mg/kg) in scad (Selar boops) and bonito (Sarda orientalis). While for the demersal fish, the highest mercury levels were shown in John’s snapper (Lutjanus ruselli), mangrove red snapper (Lutjanus argentimaculatus), and doublewhip threadfin bream (Nemipterus nematophorus). Mercury levels were significantly higher in higher tropic level fish (χKW2 = 7.787; p < 0.02).
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM)
I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another.

However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse  rclxub.gifbangwall.gif . Do you guys have any info about this?

Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food.

And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this.
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for me, i will option for
1. skip Salmon except u can find wild. cause high in pesticide, PCBA and etc.
2. Skip all big fish as may have higher mercury content.
3. Go for ikan bilis, the smaller the fish is, the lesser the mercury and etc.
4. Moderate at every food.
5. You can find canned sardine. That sardine is tiny and wild catch that dip in Olive oil. This option is expensive, cause those sardines cost more than rm10 per tiny can.
https://www.amazon.com/King-Oscar-Sardines-...n/dp/B006MNCIOU
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QUOTE(Shinoshin @ Mar 31 2018, 06:47 PM)
Nice info.  thumbup.gif  thumbsup.gif

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Phew.. quite a good reading material.
TS, Leo.Lee and xxhenry89xx, I know that this thread have been a while but I would take my chance in asking how about other kind of seafood like lala, siham, hoi sam?
I mean at least their English name > Mandarin name > Malay name?

I am lazy to open a new thread with no reply or with nonsense reply. I might as well just post it here where it seem there is quite a few seafood experts here.
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Err, yea this thread have been a while now and molluscs especially the shelled one like lala are a bit hard to describe cause most of the time, they look quite similar.
If you don't mind, I will just include those that I commonly know of and I might need to include their scientific name.

P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

Lala

There are 2 species of "Lala" which is common in Malaysia. These two are quite identical. You most probably won't be able to differentiate it unless you're a marine biologist.
If there are people who ask you what is "La La", just tell them that its a type of Venus Clam. Do note that the one with similar flesh with "Lala" but with thicker shell are called "Kepah" in Malay, 花甲 in Mandarin or clam in English. There are too many species of "Kepah" and all of it are called "Kepah" in Malay that I lazy to include here.

Textile Venus Clam
Also known as : Carpet Clam
Scientific name : Paphia textile synonyms with Paratapes textilis
Mandarin name : 啦啦 (Lā lā), 芒果螺 (Máng guǒ luó), 油蛤 (Yóu gé)
Cantonese name : La La, Faa Gap
Hokkien name : La La
Malay name : Lala, Siput Retak Seribu

Undulate Venus
Also known as : Undulated Surf Clam
Scientific name : Paphia undulata synonyms with Paratapes undulatus
Mandarin name : 啦啦 (Lā lā), 芒果螺 (Máng guǒ luó), 油蛤 (Yóu gé)
Cantonese name : La La, Faa Gap
Hokkien name : La La
Malay name : Lala, Siput Retak Seribu

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Blood Cockle
Also known as : Blood Clam / Granular Ark
Scientific name : Tegillarca granosa
Mandarin name : 血蚶 (Xuè hān)
Cantonese name : 螄蚶 (Si Ham)
Hokkien name : Si Ham, Ham
Malay name : Kerang Darah

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Blood Cockle in Hokkien pronunciation.

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Obtuse Horn Shell
Also known as : Mud Creeper
Scientific name : Cerithidea obtusa
Mandarin name : 吸螺 (Xī luó)
Cantonese name : 啜 啜 (Chut Chut)
Hokkien name : Ba Li Tong
Malay name : Belitung, Siput Sedut
Details:
• The name "Siput Sedut" refer to the consumption method of this mollusc / sea snail which involve sucking (sedut) to extract flesh from the shell while the name "啜 啜" refer to the sound made during consumption.
• It is also known as 午夜香吻 (Mandarin: Wǔ yè xiāng wěn / Cantonese: Ng ye hiong man) which literally mean "Midnight Kiss". brows.gif

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Razor Shell
Also known as : Razor Clam
Scientific name : Ensis arcuatus
Mandarin name : 竹滩 (Zhú tān), 竹蛏 (Zhú chēng), 蛏子 (Chēng zi)
Cantonese name : 竹蟶 (Zuk Seng), 蟶子 (Seng Zi)
Hokkien name : Teik Than
Malay name : Siput Buluh, Pepahat, Ambal
NOTE :
• The word "蟶子" (Cantonese) in this case, are pronounced similarly with "聖子" (Cantonese) as in the scroll of Chinese Emperor's order which you will watch in TVB Cantonese drama about ancient Chinese dynasty where an eunuch would bring a scroll of order from the Emperor and shout "Seng Zi dou,..." before continue reading with whatever order that was written in the scroll.

Details:
• Its shell look like an old-fashioned straight edge razor / cut-throat razor (the razor which use by our old-fashioned Indian barber), hence the name razor shell.
• In Malaysia, we prefer to call it as Bamboo Clam due to its Mandarin and Malay name.
• However in global terms, Bamboo Clam refers to our Razor Shell’s larger cousin, the Atlantic jackknife clam which also known as Bamboo clam.

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Razor Shell
Also known as : Razor Clam
Scientific name : Phaxas attenuatus
Mandarin name : 小刀蛏 (Xiǎo dāo chēng), 蛏子 (Chēng zi)
Cantonese name : 扁蟶 (Bin Seng), 蟶子 (Seng Zi)
Malay name : Siput Pahat
Details:
• Unlike the Bamboo clam which is long and silicone shaped, this razor clam is short and flat.

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Oriental Angel Wing
Also known as : Angel Wing / Angel Wing Clam
Scientific name : Pholas orientalis
Mandarin name : 東方海筍 (Dōng fāng hǎi sǔn), 東方海鷗蛤 (Dōng fāng hǎi'ōu há)
Malay name : Siput Mentarang
Details:
• When you lay the shellfish flat and wide open, it resembles a pair of white wing which make it being named as “Angel Wing”.

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Laying flat & wide open which look like an "Angel Wing".

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Caltrop Murex
Scientific name : Murex tribulus
Mandarin name : 刺螺 (Cì luó)
Cantonese name : Ci Lo
Hokkien name : Chi Lea
Malay name : Siput Duri
Details:
• The name "Caltrop" mean spiky item. It refer to a spiked metal device thrown on the ground to impede wheeled vehicles or (formerly) cavalry horses while "Murex" refer to a type of predatory tropical sea snails.

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Dog Conch
Also known as : Yellow Conch
Scientific name : Laevistrombus canarium
Mandarin name : 贡贡 (Gòng gòng), 水晶凤凰螺 (Shuǐ jīng fèng huáng luó)
Cantonese name : 水晶鳳凰螺 (Sui Jing Fung Wong Lo)
Malay name : Siput Gonggong, Siput Tarik
NOTE :
• Occasionaly, this conch are also refers as "跳螺" in Cantonese as it resembles and is in the same family as "紅口螺" & "白口螺" which collectively known as "跳螺" in Hong Kong due to the conch usage of jumping-like movement to move around.

Details:
• The word “Gonggong” from its Malay name mean a sharp and loud bark noise, usually from a dog. This might be the reason of its English name as Dog Conch.
• In Sabah, it is usually sold as 东风螺 (Tung Fung Lo) among the local Chinese which the name is actually refers to a different type of sea snail / shellfish that are very popular in Hong Kong. That sea snail is called Babylon shell.

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To eat it, you need to pull its flesh out with a toothpick/something small and pointy, hence the name "Siput Tarik".

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Dog conch's flesh without the shell.

Babylon shell
There are 2 common Babylon shell which many could not differentiate. It is very popular in Hong Kong which the local commonly known it as 东风螺. There is a so called better quality or pricier 东风螺 which is called 花螺. Probably as a marketing strategy, the Thai people called it the "Thai Escargot"

Spiral Babylon
Scientific name : Babylonia spirata
Mandarin name : 东风螺 (Dōng fēng luó)
Cantonese name : 東風螺 (Tung Fung Lo)
Malay name : Siput Manis
Details:
• Its shell are basically reddish brown in color with pattern or spot on its shell are wider / bigger than the one on Spotted Babylon that it almost look like completely brown.

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Spotted Babylon
Scientific name : Babylonia areolata
Mandarin name : 花螺 (Huā luó)
Cantonese name : 花螺 (Fa lo)
Malay name : Siput Bintang
Details:
• It have creamy white shell with little brown spot.

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Pen Shell
Also known as : Fan Clam / Fan Shell / Fan Mussel
Scientific name : Pinnidae [family]
Mandarin name : 带子 (Dài zi), 沙插 (Shā chā)
Cantonese name : 帶子 (Daai Zi)
Malay name : Siput Kemudi, Siput Paha Ayam
Details:
• This shell has auspicious meaning to the Chinese especially for newlywed couple as “带子、带子,带来儿子” which literally mean getting / having children.

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A shelled pen shell.

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A deshelled pen shell.

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Pen shell after prepared to be cook.

Scallop
Scientific name : Pectinidae [family]
Mandarin name : 扇贝 (Shàn bèi)
Cantonese name : 扇貝(Sin Bui)
Hokkien name : Kang Gia Cu
Malay name : Kekapis, Kapis, Siput Piring

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Scallop before processing with all the internals are intact.

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Processed scallop, ready to be cook.

Oyster
Scientific name : Ostreidae [family]
Mandarin name : 蚝 (Háo), 牡蛎 (Mǔ lì)
Cantonese name : 蠔 (Hou)
Hokkien name : Oh
Malay name : Tiram

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Oyster with shell on.

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Deshelled oysters.

Spiny Lobster
Also known as : Rock Lobster
Scientific name : Palinuridae [family]
Mandarin name : 龙虾 (Lóng xiā)
Cantonese name : 龍蝦 (Long Har)
Hokkien name : Leng Heh, Liong Heh
Malay name : Udang Karang
Details:
• The lobsters with claw are refer as the “true” lobster in English as English people who originated from UK and their descendants especially those from Canada and USA, are Northern people where their countries are located near the Atlantic Ocean specifically the Northern Atlantic Ocean. The clawed lobsters are actually a cold water lobster. Basically, that is the type of lobster that they have always known and familiar with. There are 2 commonly known species of lobsters with claw which is the Maine lobster/Boston Lobster/American lobster/Canadian lobster and European lobster/Common lobster.
• As for the Chinese who originated from China where their country are located at Pacific Ocean, the “true” lobster or should I say the “true” 龙虾, are referring to the spiny lobster which is a warm water lobster.
• Occasionally, you might see that a lobster is refers as “Udang Kara” in Malay but “Udang Kara” actually refer to the freshwater lobster or the crayfish a.k.a. crawfish.

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Flathead Lobster
Also known as : Slipper Lobster / Bay Lobster
Scientific name : Thenus orientalis
Mandarin name : 虾婆 (Xiā pó), 东方扁虾 (Dōng fāng biǎn xiā)
Cantonese name : 琵琶蝦 (Pei Pa Har)
Hokkien name : Heh Poh
Malay name : Udang Ketak, Udang Lubuk

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Silver Mantis Shrimp
Scientific name : Harpiosquilla harpax
Mandarin name : 虾蛄 (Xiā gū)
Cantonese name : 瀨尿蝦 (Lai Niu Har)
Hokkien name : Heh Kor
Malay name : Udang Lipan

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Giant Tiger Prawn
Also known as : Asian Tiger Shrimp / Black Tiger Prawn
Scientific name : Penaeus monodon
Mandarin name : 老虎虾 (Lǎo hǔ xiā)
Cantonese name : 老虎蝦 (Lao Fu Har), 鬼蝦 (Gwai Har), 草蝦 (Cou Har)
Hokkien name : Hor Heh
Malay name : Udang Harimau
Details:
• It has distinct light and dark stripes on their backs and tails; on their abdomens, these stripes alternate black/yellow or blue/yellow. Base body color varies from green, brown, red, grey, or blue.
• It is said that giant tiger prawn which is bluish grey (pale color) are usually farmed one. The wild one usually have striking color.

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Have paler color than the other two picture above. Might be the farmed one.

Giant Freshwater Prawn
Also known as : Giant River Prawn
Scientific name : Macrobrachium rosenbergii
Mandarin name : 罗氏沼虾 (Luō shì zhǎo xiā), 淡水长臂大虾 (Dàn shuǐ cháng bì dà xiā), 马来西亚大虾 (Mǎláixīyà dà xiā)
Cantonese name : 大頭蝦 (Dai Tau Har), 生蝦 (Sang Har)
Hokkien name : Tua Thau Heh
Malay name : Udang Galah, Udang Sepit Biru

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Flower Crab
Also known as : Blue Swimmer Crab / Blue Crab
Scientific name : Portunus armatus (formerly known as Portunus pelagicus)
Mandarin name : 花蟹 (Huā xiè)
Cantonese name : 花蟹 (Fah Haai)
Hokkien name : Ciq / Cheek
Malay name : Ketam Bunga, Ketam Renjong, Ketam Laut
Details:
• This species of crab is commercially important throughout the Indo-Pacific where they may be sold as traditional hard shells, or as "soft-shelled" crabs which is basically a crab which recently molted their old exoskeleton and are still soft.
• The female flower crab has duller green / brown coloured body.

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Giant Mud Crab
Also known as : Mud Crab / Mangrove Crab / Indo-Pacific Swamp Crab
Scientific name : Scylla serrata
Mandarin name : 锯缘青蟹 (Jù yuán qīng xiè), 肉蟹 (Ròu xiè), 青蟹 (Qīng xiè)
Cantonese name : 肉蟹 (Yuk Haai), 青蟹 (Ceng Haai)
Hokkien name : Cheem
Malay name : Ketam Nipah
Details:
• The colour of this crab range from green to almost black; legs may be marbled.

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Sea cucumber
Scientific name : Holothuroidea [class]
Mandarin name : 海参 (Hǎi shēn)
Cantonese name : 海參 (Hoi Sam)
Hokkien name : Hai Sim, Hai Song, Hai Som
Malay name : Gamat, Timun Laut

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I would update the rest when I got the time.

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lol . Leo.Lee, TS, is this your post?
Table of common edible fish in Malaysia (Reddit)
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lol.. what are you two doing?

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