Because they neutered the engine?

I cannot help but think we have all been water fish and bermaz was jousting earning super high margin previously if this new fully equipped 1.5 but only selling less than 130k is true.
All the claims of cbu and high spec to justify the price qas just bullsht

This post has been edited by EpsilonStar: Jun 2 2025, 11:27 AM

They used to sell 1.5l spec kosong for 135k ish iinm. So it's natural for people to question why bermaz can now sell the same 1.5l equipped with all the bells and whistles but at the lower price (plus it's CBU). Does that mean the rest of the 2.0 specs are being marked up just for higher profit margin? Or are they taking losses from this new 1.5l high plus?

wait till you see the CX60 2.5 for 198k

granted we dont know the full spec yet, but that SUV is only 20k+ more expensive than the HB Ignite

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 2 2025, 01:07 PM

I felt I kena water fish by Honda seeing so much discounts given for the civic while I bought it with rm1k discount.. 🥲

As for my ignite, ok la I love the car so forget about the price. My friends say I’m crazy for buying such a small and ancient car at 172k..

So for the 1.5, if it comes with full latest I active sense, and below 125k, it will be a good buy if the owner can accept the 1.5NA on a heavy car with 18 inch wheels.

Actually if they don't put 18 inch and remain the original 1.5 wheel (16 or 17" iinm) size.... perhaps the price can be even lower

But the small wheels on M3 really screams kosong spec lol

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 2 2025, 06:30 PM

This one I felt weird, why not putting the 2.5T engine? Problematic?

Price wars have eaten into Japanese margins as well.

this is Bermaz's pathetic attempt in trying to breach the B-segment market, trying to steal clients from Civic (City and Vios even).

the 1.5 was priced at RM139k when it was first launched, it didn't even have a reverse sensor. the High was at RM149k and the High+ was at RM159+

no companies (especially public listed ones) would operate at a loss, just lesser profit.

this is Bermaz being desperate. Granted that the Mazda3 was overpriced across the range and Bermaz was ripping a lot of profits from each sold but that is OK because at least they were being consistent in stating that they didn't want to participate in price wars so even though it was expensive but buyers know that 3 years down the road, the price would roughly still be the same - this helps to retain its value (be it new / used).

simultaneously, it also helps Mazda maintains its "premium brand" status because it makes less accessible. not anymore.

with this cheap fire sale, the market will soon be flooded with Mazda3 and Bermaz will also lose its reputation.

they are now officially worser than China makes.

that car is basically DOA and even at RM198k, i doubt people would spent that amount of money to buy it especially now that people will just wait and see. if Bermaz can sell a RM150k+ price for RM118k, what's there to say that they will not sell the CX-60 for RM150k few years later?

yeah, Ignite buyers are still OK because it's still different. the Burgurdy leather, the BOSE. Bermaz basically just pissed on those High / High+ buyers.


even at 16", the 1.5 feels a little bit underpowered - i can only imagine how bad it is going to be on 18" but this is Bermaz being desperate. they are willing to sacrifice everything that Mazda stood for in exchange for sales figures. Bermaz can flood the market Mazda3 but it's going to be a short lived one before the 1.5 High+ buyers will feel that the Mazda3 is a shitty car - all because how badly Bermaz spec'd the car.

they should have remain with the 16" and also remain with the non-signature LED headlights for the 1.5High+ as this will:-

1) entice potential buyers to upgrade for the better looking one; and
2) appease current owners so they don't feel being f***ed over by Bermaz.

Price wars have been affecting all car manufacturers and Bermaz was the only one that stood strong, until now. I admired their position with Mazda which was why i kept going back to them. Apart from Mazda as a damn good car manufacturer, Bermaz's insistence represent something that resonant with me.

With their introduction of Mazda3 Rahmah in Malaysia, i don't think i'll go back to them anymore. There's just no point in paying a premium for something that isn't premium in any way.

They are desperate and I hate it. I paid RM155k pre-SST for my Mazda 3, to only get butt slap there's a refresh with MRCC Stop & Go, Wireless Charging, 10.25" Screen, Wireless Apple Carplay, USB-C in later year. Yea, price increased 8k, but I hate their strategy of holding it too long before getting it in the market.

I love Mazda, but their strategy sucks. Now they are desperate, padan muka

This post has been edited by Leo the Lion: Jun 3 2025, 10:54 AM

Nah.... so far feedback had been pretty ok. Granted those Chinese car fans will always say its expensive

But remember the new Harrier which is 2.0NA + CVT only is selling for much more by UMW. Even if you go for full spec recon model now it's around that price range also (180 - 200k+). CX60 have a fighting chance in luring those prospect Harrier buyers. Might even entice some buyers looking at the Omoda C9

And let's be real lah.... car prices drop all the time and dealers always throw discount especially for models like the M3 which is a bit long in the tooth, also with how Chinese makers are attacking the market now.

If you bought your car because you like it and you enjoy it, there's nothing to feel bad about it. It's just the way it is. Within the next 5 years or so you will be changing ride again if your desire or finance allows it

Anyway I still agree and feel the new 1.5 spec is a rather weird move. They should've just slashed 10k across the current 2.0 line up and call it a day.

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 3 2025, 11:26 AM

There's never a 2.5T spec for the CX60. Only 2.5NA, 2.5 PHEV, and the rest are 3.3 inline 6 (petrol or diesel)

Yeah, they always have a weird way in marketing but that is OK because at the end of the day, they always come through. not this time.

Either way - not sure about others but they have certainly lost me as their customer and i'm not going back. I don't trust them anymore. Once i'm finished with with 5 years loan (and by that time, the streets should be flooded with Mazda3), i'll offload my Ignite and move on with Lexus.

Bermaz wanted to go "premium" but gets undone by their desperation. Foolish.

where did you received the news that the "feedback had been pretty ok"? for all i know, my SA told me that there's very little people who showed interest on the CX-60 and she even offered me a further special discount if i want it, delivery in September. Bermaz is not expecting to sell alot of CX-60 which is why they introduced the Mazda3 Rahmah simultaneously to cover up their sales figure.

There's no denying that car prices drop but what Bermaz did with the Mazda3 Rahmah is despicable. Let's assume that realistically, the Mazda3 Rahmah should at least be priced at RM149k since the High was sold at around that price for much lesser specifications - this would be a RM30k discount and it's a CBU, not a CKD. I was expecting a RM10k price cut across the range, not this.

I don't think either Toyota/Honda ever gave such a huge discount.

I don't feel bad, i just feel annoyed - i really liked Mazda as a brand, their visions, their principles and when Bermaz started marketing the Mazda3, they were bragging about it and how they are not interested in price wars and stuffs (they even repeated the same thing for XPENG). All these as a whole made me inclined towards them and maybe i am getting a little bit melancholic but this feels like betrayal to what the Bermaz stood for.

I'm probably guilty for being over-sentimental as i tend to attach myself emotionally to what i have (all my cars included) so this doesn't sit well with me.

i would flip in my grave if Rolex suddenly re-introduce my Rolex GMT for half the price.

I can only speculate the only reason they are doing this is due to failure in Kia sales.

I remembered back then they are planning to have Kia as the new volume seller while the Mazda brand will move up market. But somehow for some reason they screwed up in introducing affordable CKD models by Kia (sportage which is supposed to launch like 2 years ago only managed to launch this year). And along the way they lost Peugeot as well. The article still here

https://p@ultan.org/2024/07/03/kia-to-be-be...ith-new-models/


I know a few Mazda 6 owners are looking at the CX60 as an upgrade. With the 6 out of production soon, the CX60 probably is their replacement. Just like how CRV became Accord replacement here.

anyway how much discount your SA offering for CX60? at this rate I think its a better buy than the CX5 which is outdated + CKD

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 3 2025, 12:06 PM

it is to show Mazda/Bermaz markup their car way too high cause of "premium". Mazda 3 high+ should be RM130k at best.

Let's be real Mazda was never premium... those who said so really siok sendiri lah. Saying this as a Mazda lover as well.

Even in overseas market people are also not convinced. Affordable premium yes maybe but premium like Lexus, Merc or BMW? Nah. They really tried, its easy to make a premium car, but hard to convince the market and consumers that your brand is premium

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 3 2025, 11:58 AM

that's exactly my beef with Bermaz - they have failed as a company in trying to achieve what they wanted to achieve but instead of remaining steadfast, they gave up (probably due to shareholders' pressure), they stoop low and reduce their only position and ruin their reputation that they have so painstakingly built. they probably killed the trust in their existing Mazda3 owners (maybe just me) and also killed the brand presence here in Malaysia and reinstating it back as "cheap".

that irks me (a lot) then it should.

the Mazda6 is also another conundrum, it's currently priced at around RM240k with an old drivetrain, all on the pretense of "CBU" tax but they can market the CX-60 (also CBU) at a much lower price with literally, Mazda's newest tech. I don't know about those potential buyers but considering everything that's happening with Bermaz at the moment, i'll definitely wait out until Bermaz decided to give another RM30k off the CX-60 before buying (it's not impossible now since we all know that Bermaz is all talk).

If i want to upgrade from a Mazda6 to a SUV, i'd go for the Harrier and not the CX-60. The Mazda just isn't as reliable and now with its value going down, it just doesn't make any sense. The Accord was abandoned by Honda Malaysia because it recycled too many parts from the 9th-gen and with a 1.5T engine + steering rack issue, asking for RM200k is just suicide. Not to mention it is dead ugly.

the 2.5 High CX-5 is about RM170k and with the additional discount my SA is offering, it's enough to sway to get the CX-60 but i'm saving up my monies now from buying another Mazda.

Lexus, Mercedes and BMWs are not in the premium league but in the luxury realms.

The Mazda now may not be categorically premium but it is definitely not within the reach of other mass produced cars of its competitors. The interior of the Altis couldn't hold a candle against the Mazda 3 and the interior of the HRV (even the RS) couldn't compare with the CX-30.

i think almost everyone refers to premium/luxury as being the same thing... Some brands warrant the luxury label like RR or Bentley. For Merc and BMW its a grey area because in some markets they are not that un-affordable with certain models and specs

anyway if there's any consolation, the price cutting is not happening to us only

https://www.drive.com.au/news/mazda-cx-5-ra...elect-variants/

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/mazda...ops-below-70000

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/mazda...new-base-engine

Comments section below this article says alot

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/price...as-premium-push

the only market where I've not noticed significant price cuts yet is the US, but not surprised since Chinese brands don't exist there

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 3 2025, 12:47 PM