Ermmm maybe I should play arcanum afterall.brb downloadan

If most of the game are suited to newbies.What's left for us old timers to enjoy?Just change the difficulty izzit?

This post has been edited by Hitman66: Oct 31 2008, 06:36 PM

Guess RPG games is also having the same problem like RTS.Too easy and shallow,if not boring.

Im getting old.

I'm hoping SC2 would change that.

But games in general nowadays are made to be newbie friendly. Spoon feeding and don't leave the retarded kid behind. Political correctness in the gaming industry - that's the future.

There are some more difficult RTS like CoH but RTS in general,are getting simpler like RA3.

The only thing i worry about SC2 is,i might not like it because it will be lack of innovations compare to games like DoW2.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Oct 31 2008, 06:50 PM

Ditto to Fallout 3. Isometric could work actually, by using the semi-real time system from fallout tactics, and add in an advanced cover system ALA gears of war. Then add in smarter AI and you'll have an amazing RPG combat system that stayed true to its roots. Too bad Beth decided to go with a half baked FPS system with pause.

As for SC2, I'm playing it for nostalgia's sake. DoW2 is nice, but too bad it doesn't have a large enough following compared to SC2. And SC2 is staying true to its roots by being easy to learn but hard to master - that's why Blizzard's threading very carefully when it comes to introducing new mechanics. The hero system in WC3 didn't work so well, did it?

User friendly does not necessarily mean easy game though. Just saying.

There're lots of games that're easy to pick up but hard to finish. Just ask any SHMUP fan. Or Metal Slug.

WC3 hero system just dont work in SC.

Besides,every new feature Blizzard add,they have to be careful because it might piss off the veterans.For example,the SC community hates heroes in general.

Dont think you to see the same Fallout 3 disaster happen to SC2,right?

Speaking of possible great RPG game this year, there is still 2 contender (just less known only) :
1) Sacred 2 : fallen angel (very similar to diablo)
2) Rise of the argonauts (by liquid entertainment)

I personally think Bioware was above black isle studio in terms of developing RPG series. I know fallout & baldurs gate was 2 different setting & genre but no denying that baldurs gate was the better rpg. If you guys are waiting for the next big RPG (diablo 3 later) wait no longer for dragonage origins next mid year. Bioware has not dissapoint me with any of their games so far with exception when they prioritise on consoles in prior years.

For those wondering why oblivion was panned down here bcos fallout has a very loud fan base. Consider them as loud minority in gaming with the silent majority has move on with the time. Its been what 9 years since fallout 2 ?

Great RPGs of the year:

Avernum 5
Mount & Blade

Baldur's Gate wasn't particularly good. >_>

Bioware and Black Isle studios are both great development studios. Fallout and Baldur's Gate are very different. BG's very linear, and the thing that makes it shine is the writing and plot. Fallout gives the player more freedom, and that's where it shines primarily. Writing wise, yeah BG's much better. But Fallout's the one with the replayability.

As for Oblivion, coming from a BG, Planescape and Fallout background, I just can't bring myself to enjoy it. If I wanted mindless sandbox fun, there's GTA. My bone with Oblivion is that it tries to be too many things at the same time. Had it been a linear RPG FPS thingy, I might even enjoy it. But well, everybody's got their own tastes I guess.

Im kinda looking forward to Rise of the Argonauts because i love Battle Realms last time.

This is sucks man... pirate ones already out and the release date for malaysia have been kick back to an unknown date......... ( i think more or near a month)

How does this gonna battle with pirates?

Question: does FO3 have companions that can help out like in Fallout 1 and 2? I miss Marcus, Dogmeat, Myron and Sulik

You get dogmeat alright and a medieval knight who travelled forward in time to join the brotherhood of steel. Her name's Lyons.

Very true, different people have different taste & liking. Oblivion has enjoy sales of almost 3 million compared to witcher 1m. Gta 4 scores 10m. Spore can easily outstrip these 3 games but illegal download doesn't count isn't it ?
Games developer always stuck with 2 blatant choice when deciding on the game sequel :

1) To change the gameplay (bioware games mostly, dawn of war)
2) To change the graphics (normally will be released once every 4 - 10 years : Warcraft, Starcraft, Red alert, command & conquer)

Obviously changing both of them takes a very huge gamble & risk but there are successful ventures like COD 4 & the big loser hellgate. Any games trying to attempt both can be considered "ambitious" by any standards. Fallout 3 decided to take this approach obviously. This move will no doubt create some new fans but draws flak from the original fans.

I don't know about you guys but i use to play a very fantastic RTS + RPG hybrid called Majesty by micropose. If you check some websites many fans love the indirect gameplay but after 8-9 years like fallout it was not able to develop further but forced to sell its IP to 3rd party. What can fans do ? Hope for the best. The game coming up next year......

Truthfully, like I've always maintained, Beth doing Fallout is new technologies isn't the biggest gripe most oldtime fallout fans have. The problem with Beth is they are PR machines first and game developers second. The change from isometric to FPS is painful, but could be palatable if Beth had credible and excellent writers. Dialogues especially were the weakest link in TES series since god knows when. The plot have degenerated into some Hollywood esque "sacrifice this sacrifice that" piece of crap, and that's the biggest problem most fans have.

Yes they might have retained their Oblivion fans and many new comers who have never played the older series before, but they'll have a hard time persuading fallout fans from enjoying the new one especially since the trademark black humor and clever writing in the predecessors are now gone, replaced with 11 year old quality dramatic scripts poorly stitched together with an over abundance of profanities and tough-guy talk that fails to capture the atmosphere.

you're right about the "What can fans do" part. Blizzard fans are fortunate on SC2 because Blizzard practically went to the fans for ideas. Not so with Diablo 3, but still not many were complaining after seeing the second round of gameplay footage. But at least they responded to fan requests properly and didn't try to change things into something completely foreign. Beth on the other hand, all along the development progress was patronizing and condenscending towards the old fallout communities, especially they way they treated NMA and DnC like they are nothing more but yapping rats to be swatted away. Such disrespect towards the oldest fan community and they had the balls to say that they designed FO3 with the old crowd in mind!

You see, sometimes it boils down to perception. Had Beth spent more time working with NMA and DnC in the process, or even give official invites to these two communities to previews, reviews and even integrate some of them into playtesting and feedback, the whole old fanbase would be appeased and more receptive to FO3 compared to now. And they really had nothing to lose - many in NMA were bitter that NMA were consistently used as a strawman in the beth forums like they were the loud minority, when in fact they represent some of the oldest and most loyal fans of the franchise, and was even a great catalyst for the fallout modding community.

Sigh. I better stop here.

allit havent sell it yet.. next weekend or sumtin
any shop selling it in midvalley?

been kick back the date bro...

wutdahell
till when?

I heard at least by November 13th. not sure if it's true or not but if it is, WTF!