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MYNAMEISJASON
post Oct 31 2008, 04:29 PM

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Its kinda weird why so many people here hated Oblivion and Fallout 3, personally I played Oblivion on my old Geforce 6200TC and completed it and I actually enjoyed it. blink.gif In fact, I was surprised that so many here people hated the game and somebody even suggested that Bethesda is a lousy company hmm.gif .

It is pretty obvious that these Fallout 3 haters and Oblivion haters judge Fallout 3 by its prequels, I don't really mind that but when you say that only a 12 year old can enjoy Fallout 3, I feel very insulted sad.gif.

If they made Fallout 3 as hard as the prequels, they would obvious be selling wayyyy less copies of the game. I would also say that if you guys keep on complaining about this game, you are disrupting the gameplay discussion of this game.
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post Oct 31 2008, 04:34 PM

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I never played any prequels of F3.

Just watch a few videos and i got put off by this game.
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post Oct 31 2008, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 31 2008, 04:34 PM)
I never played any prequels of F3.

Just watch a few videos and i got put off by this game.
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That's a bad way to judge a game, I personally thought The Witcher was going to be rubbish as it was made by a new company, but when I played it, it was wayyyy better than I thought. The game contains full blown nudity though blink.gif

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post Oct 31 2008, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Oct 31 2008, 04:42 PM)
That's a bad way to judge a game, I personally thought The Witcher was going to be rubbish as it was made by a new company, but when I played it, it was wayyyy better than I thought. The contains full blown nudity though blink.gif
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Im just not interested with F3.

Beth is not a new company and i never got interested with their games.From Morrowind to F3.

Ridiculous requirements and shallow gameplay.Dont bother to waste my time on it.

RPG still work well on isometric or 3rd person view.Not 1st person for me.
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post Oct 31 2008, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 31 2008, 04:45 PM)
Im just not interested with F3.

Beth is not a new company and i never got interested with their games.From Morrowind to F3.

Ridiculous requirements and shallow gameplay.Dont bother to waste my time on it.

RPG still work well on isometric or 3rd person view.Not 1st person for me.
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I didn't say beth was a new company, and the requirements of Fallout 3 isn't ridiculous, in fact the requirements for The Witcher was really high though (of course, it look kinda good)

Here are some quotes from tweakguides.com

"You'll probably hear a lot of people say this over and over again about the game, but I truly believe Oblivion is one of the best PC games ever. It has such a striking blend of cutting-edge graphics and gameplay, so much attention to detail and such richness of atmosphere that it is a game I believe virtually anyone would enjoy regardless of their genre preference."

"However, by the same token given how beautiful and complex Oblivion is, it is only natural that it be a very demanding game on most systems. There are a wide range of people experiencing performance issues, and there's been a mad scramble by players to find any and every means of increasing their framerates and resolving crashes. Fortunately, we have also seen some great efforts by the community as a whole to rapidly come up with tips and tweaks for Oblivion. This guide has been compiled to draw together all the working tips and tweaks, describe all the in-game settings in detail, provide all the useful console commands and give a range of troubleshooting and general performance advice in an effort to provide a single easy-to-use accurate reference source for Oblivion tweaking. Read on and see if it will help you get the most out of this amazing game"
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post Oct 31 2008, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(zioburosky13 @ Oct 31 2008, 08:15 AM)
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No body forced you to fork out 300 dollars for a piece of shit metallic case and piece of HYPED, unfulfilled and empty promise product.

In case you wonder why Bethesda is a lousy company now,

1) Overhyped product - Radiant AI in TES Oblivion, dumbed down gameplay (leveling system, dialog, 5 voice actors to voice EVERY NPC), storyline and ending (previos TES titles have mutltiple endings except Morrowind and Oblivion).

2) They turned a tabletop simulated CRPG cult classic game into a mindless first person action game where level 1 character can slaughter a bunch of people without any difficulty . It's like turning GTA into a tetris game for every age, with the aim of maximize their profit.. Many games have suffered the same treatment (Deus Ex 2, X-COM: Enforcer and X-COM: Interceptor, Unreal Tournament 3).
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You can slaughter a bunch of ppl at level maybe because the difficulty level is set to easy mode? Try setting it to hard mode.
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QUOTE(DaRust @ Oct 31 2008, 05:03 PM)
You can slaughter a bunch of ppl at level maybe because the difficulty level is set to easy mode? Try setting it to hard mode.
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me thinks he forgot to turn off the god mode biggrin.gif
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post Oct 31 2008, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(neo_sabbath @ Oct 31 2008, 05:09 PM)
me thinks he forgot to turn off the god mode biggrin.gif
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lol...cheat mode....
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post Oct 31 2008, 05:12 PM

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Well, I'm not going to lie, Oblivion is a easy game by no means and Fallout 1 was a insanely hard game and so is the even harder Fallout 2. I personally don't mind a game to be easy, if its easy make it harder smile.gif . You can't do that in Fallout 1 though other than reloading the game over and over again.....
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post Oct 31 2008, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Oct 31 2008, 05:12 PM)
Well, I'm not going to lie, Oblivion is a easy game by no means and Fallout 1 was a insanely hard game and so is the even harder Fallout 2. I personally don't mind a game to be easy, if its easy make it harder  smile.gif . You can't do that in Fallout 1 though other than reloading the game over and over again.....
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So I take it that you didn't find the difficulty adjuster in Fallout? Maybe you would want to look into the options panel.

The point of the game being easy is actually going against the whole idea of what fallout is. Fallout dumps you into a wasteland and don't spoon feed you anything. It wants you to feel isolated, lost and overwhelmed. However thanks to the retarded generations giving birth to even more retarded children in the future, nowadays games cannot be too hard or else it'll be panned by everybody.

Fallout's difficulty isn't paramountly hard. It's just hard until you realize you can't go in guns blazing without at least a power armor and a big ass gun. And when you get that, the past disasters that you had to go through just made the "reward" of getting those big guns all the more satisfying. And fallout really appeals to your need for vengence for all the low level bullying the world has given you - rip those bastards into pieces, with satisfying gore and sound effects.

Fallout 2 destroyed all of this with the temple of trials though. But nevertheless, it still is a worthy successor.
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post Oct 31 2008, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(soggie @ Oct 31 2008, 05:19 PM)
So I take it that you didn't find the difficulty adjuster in Fallout? Maybe you would want to look into the options panel.

The point of the game being easy is actually going against the whole idea of what fallout is. Fallout dumps you into a wasteland and don't spoon feed you anything. It wants you to feel isolated, lost and overwhelmed. However thanks to the retarded generations giving birth to even more retarded children in the future, nowadays games cannot be too hard or else it'll be panned by everybody.

Fallout's difficulty isn't paramountly hard. It's just hard until you realize you can't go in guns blazing without at least a power armor and a big ass gun. And when you get that, the past disasters that you had to go through just made the "reward" of getting those big guns all the more satisfying. And fallout really appeals to your need for vengence for all the low level bullying the world has given you - rip those bastards into pieces, with satisfying gore and sound effects.

Fallout 2 destroyed all of this with the temple of trials though. But nevertheless, it still is a worthy successor.
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I find it not hard to agree with you, game these days are kinda easy (the only hard 1 released lately was order of ecclesia), personally I played Oblivion for its immersion and gameplay (I never played a game that recorded every last line so I didn't mind if it repeated, hey even KOTOR repeats the same alien language). Well if fallout 3 looked bad in your opinion, at least there was some improvements compared to fallout 1 and 2 though.

(Scorpions are evil though......)
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 31 2008, 04:34 PM)
I never played any prequels of F3.

Just watch a few videos and i got put off by this game.
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Do yourself a favour and go play Fallout 1 and Fallout 2. Both are phenomenal. I personally like Fallout 2 better since it has more content and an insane amount of pop culture references. Avoid Fallout 3 at all costs...

The Witcher's good too although the main storyline is slightly linear but at least CD Projekt got the choices and consequences part right.



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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Oct 31 2008, 05:33 PM)
I find it not hard to agree with you, game these days are kinda easy (the only hard 1 released lately was order of ecclesia), personally I played Oblivion for its immersion and gameplay (I never played a game that recorded every last line so I didn't mind if it repeated, hey even KOTOR repeats the same alien language). Well if fallout 3 looked bad in your opinion, at least there was some improvements compared to fallout 1 and 2 though.

(Scorpions are evil though......)
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Imporvements? You serious? Okay to be fair, the graphics are good. Take away all the characters, monsters and everything, and the capital DC wasteland looks amazing. If it was a more pure blooded FPS with dialogue (aka Stalker) I would have loved it.

What did it improve over the previous titles? Graphics. That's about all. Character animations are lousy (for a 2008 game), horribly written ten year old dialogues (improvement? my ass), clunky combat system, bad main quest (find your father... cliche maximized), a too-forgiving game world (shoot a begger and then sheath your weapon. he'll talk to you like you're a stranger or a good friend. how nice).

Given, there are some quests that sounds great - Vault 106 with its psychoactive drugs, Megaton, and to a certain extend, Arefu (although I still think it's a blatant rip off, and hate the idea of vampires in the wasteland). But from my experience in Oblivion, I'm pretty sure these are far and few between.

So nope, I still think Fallout 3 is a flop, unworthy of the name itself.
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post Oct 31 2008, 06:02 PM

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So I better save mah monies on GTA IV then? lol
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post Oct 31 2008, 06:04 PM

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For those who haven't touch, or lost, or got stolen their Fallout game,

Here's another chance to get the game legally. Though I'm not sure if those titles can be patched with mod.

AND THEY ARE CHEAP!!! drool.gif


EDIT: Off topic. It's proven a hardcore RPG game can be profitable too.

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 31 2008, 06:02 PM)
So I better save mah monies on GTA IV then? lol
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GTA IV PC version has been delayed, again.

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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Oct 31 2008, 05:29 PM)
Its kinda weird why so many people here hated Oblivion and Fallout 3, personally I played Oblivion on my old Geforce 6200TC and completed it and I actually enjoyed it.  blink.gif  In fact, I was surprised that so many here people hated the game and somebody even suggested that Bethesda is a lousy company  hmm.gif .

It is pretty obvious that these Fallout 3 haters and Oblivion haters judge Fallout 3 by its prequels, I don't really mind that but when you say that only a 12 year old can enjoy Fallout 3, I feel very insulted  sad.gif.

If they made Fallout 3 as hard as the prequels, they would obvious be selling wayyyy less copies of the game. I would also say that if you guys keep on complaining about this game, you are disrupting the gameplay discussion of this game.
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they are good when they make morrowind last time.I still playing that darn game over and over again sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Hitman66 @ Oct 31 2008, 06:11 PM)
they are good when they make morrowind last time.I still playing that darn game over and over again sweat.gif
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Frankly, I find the gameplay of Morrowind is a bit boring now... ;|
I still replay FO, FO2, Planescape Torment, Temple of Elemental Evil, Arcanum, Vampire the masquere Bloodline.
If The Witcher doesn't have a pre-fix character, I might get the game. mad.gif
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QUOTE(MYNAMEISJASON @ Oct 31 2008, 04:29 PM)
If they made Fallout 3 as hard as the prequels, they would obvious be selling wayyyy less copies of the game. I would also say that if you guys keep on complaining about this game, you are disrupting the gameplay discussion of this game.
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If the game is easy,there isnt a point of playing then.

Honestly,i hate games which got dumbed down so that those console people get to play with their game pads,in general.Especially RPGs.
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Personally, i think fallout 3 is a good game though.. (just my personal opinion, dont flame me ya.. doh.gif ) it is actually not as bad as what those fallout prequels fans/veterans were saying, but it is not a great game either compared to some other great rpgs like KOTOR and the witcher.. just good (more than average, in other words).. the combat is quite fun actually, especially using the VATS.. i mean, its newbie friendly.. (considering that shooting those enemies and mutants with low stats and character levels is a pain in the ass) the graphic is average, since it is using the same oblivion engine, poor rag doll physics..

overall, this game is MEANT for the newcomers to the series.. however, i do agree with soggie that this game does not deserve to be named 'FALLOUT' as it does not live up to what its prequels did.. it should have other name...

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