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post Apr 18 2007, 12:18 PM

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It's Zola that brings the interest for me to support Chelsea. When he was playing for us, I didn't remember that we won anything major like EPL or CL but still, I stayed.

And to be honest, I know nothing much about Chelsea when I start to cheer for them. All I know is that my desire to watch Zola to play.. grows stronger and stronger until I fallen in love with the players beside him and finally the club. That's when I start to read about them, buy biography books, search for their chants, etc.

Roman's take over is like a dream to me and I'm pretty sure that all of us, the Chelsea supporters are delighted about it. It's not our fault for Roman to buy over. It's not us who ask him to buy the club. We can't stop him either.

Alright. I maybe young and probably one of the youngest supporters here but I start to support Chelsea before Roman comes. Call me glory hunter or not, as you like. But you know.. to call all of the Chelsea fans as glory hunters is simply too unfair for those who start supporting them before they start winning cups like the other clubs do.

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post Apr 18 2007, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(bwan @ Apr 18 2007, 12:03 PM)
I am a history teacher. But regarding this history thingy about the clubs, noone can deny the historical events of the EPL giants like MU, LFC, or Arsenal. But, what these clubs can't match The Blues nowadays is how we create a new histories for the past 5 or 6 years.
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5 or 6 years?? No offence, but try 2 or 3 years.

QUOTE(Chrisky @ Apr 18 2007, 12:05 PM)
lol i cant help but to think this things started off bcoz of me.  biggrin.gif

actually my initial point previously was that knowing the history of the team is not necessary a 'requirement' or reason for u to fall in love wif something. juz like a GF, u most porbably didn't fall in love wif her juz bcoz u know her history. its some 'feeling' that most probably way beyond words can describe. so the point here is : u love something not bcoz of its history; n u know the history of it bcoz u love it. fair enough ?

anyway lets juz say that everyone hav their ways, n i respect all of them. ask a Romanista Ultra, n he'll tell u that u must paint ur house/room into orange/maroon, stick up pictures of Totti/Giannini/Pruzzo all over it, n might as well as beat the crap out of any Lazio fans if u happan to see 1.  biggrin.gif
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I don't think anyone falls in love with the history. They fall in love with something, then they want to know the history. Slightly different there Chrisky. Hence the GF metaphore. Anyways, like you said, personal preferences. I still feel that knowing about the past and present of your club is a must though.

As for the ultra you're talking about, that just shows he's obssesed and passionate towards his club isn't it?? No harm in that in that really. Every fan (bandwagon jumpers i.e. glory hunters, stay away!!) should be passionate about their club but be reasonable as well. Hell, I am that obsess and passionate about my club that some fo my friends say I may just name my kid Wan Manchester United one day. Haha, Not a bad idea ain't it?? Butt seeing that he might just get his ass kicked at school for having a funny name I just may not do that. Haha.
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post Apr 18 2007, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(befitozi @ Apr 17 2007, 05:56 PM)
start watching football at 2003 ... he dislikes ManUtd so first team he support is Milwall ... coz that time FA Cup final was manutd vs milwall.
Who the heck supports Millwall man??? biggrin.gif They are a bunch of thugs and their fans, worse! If ever there is a stadium aways fans should avoid, it's The Den. Makes the Ali Sami Yen look like a daycare centre.

QUOTE(schmeichel7 @ Apr 17 2007, 07:00 PM)
Previously during United's succesful era in early 90s, most rival fans blame United fans as full of glory hunters. From their rants in United's magazine and football magazines such as Shoot and Match, they say that most United fans are glory hunters because of the sudden increase of supporters. They say these type of fans will behave like rats deserting a sinking ship later...
Can't be helped unfortunately. Man Utd has been marketed as a brand especially in Asia and most fans treat the club like one. I've seen many people wearing Man Utd kits walking about when their game is on. Dare I say it's cool to be seen wearing a Man Utd kit. The same will happen to other clubs like Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal as more and more businessmen enter the league and try to raise the commercial value of their teams. It's sad for football but good for business.

QUOTE(johnjenin @ Apr 17 2007, 07:37 PM)
i have my friend who truly supporting leeds even though they playing in League One.  notworthy.gif
Yeah I myself know supporters of Ipswich, Norwich, Wolves, Leeds and Southampton.

QUOTE(TheWhacker @ Apr 17 2007, 08:57 PM)
Based on all the replies here (and throughout the forums), one can tell if someone is a glory-hunter who knows nuts about football (let alone the club the person is suppporting) or a true fan.

Most of the time in the forum, you'll across members posting things like "Yeeaa, club XYZ win again! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif", "Club ABC will win 9-0" "OMMGGXASDD !!!! What is coach 123 doing? We Lost !!!!"

There's notthing wrong with posting the above replies. IMHO, a glory-hunter will only post this kinda stuff. Why ? It doesn't related to the club at all.

Why did the team took all 3 points ? It because the right tactics was deployed ? Right team selection ?

Why did the team lost ? Players getting tired ? Key players missing ?

Why will the team win 9-0 ? The other team got injury problems or missing key players ? Player ABC is super on form now ?

Only a true fan can answer those questions above because the person knows inside and outside of the club.

Like what air_mood posted, supporting a football club is like dating a girl. Why is she angry ? Why is she being quiet ? A true BF will take all this question into account if those things did happen to the girl .... instead of going around bragging "I have a hot chick man !!!"

That's just my 2 cents  smile.gif
I thoroughly agree with everything you've posted. It doesn't just happen in the football forum though. These days forums are being treated like chat channels. Less and less effort is put into posts. I remember certain posters beaming with pride at the amount of posts their thread has but to me, it's more about the quality of posts rather than the quantity.

QUOTE(aw13 @ Apr 17 2007, 10:06 PM)
No i dont think so man, when we win our third in a row maybe but not when you win your 6th...btw i changed my avatar maybe that's why u didn't 'recognise' me...
You're right man, didn't notice you changed avatar. If you're afraid of someone seeing, get one on your ass.

QUOTE(air_mood @ Apr 18 2007, 11:06 AM)
Why and oh God why must you tempt me like this?? See, I can't resist having a go at them now.

Does anyone not see the irony of a Chelski fan on this thread agreeing with the fact that knowing history is 1 of the non important things???hahaha
Well as TS I have to be diplomatic.

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post Apr 18 2007, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 18 2007, 12:30 PM)
Well as TS I have to be diplomatic.
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C'mon Duke, join the dark side...you know you want to.

And what's with the praising C. Ronaldo on the PFA Player Of The Year thread?? As a pool fan, you're obligated to say Gerrard/Crouch/Alonso/Agger/Carragher is the best. Although credit to you for giving credit where credit is due.

You must be really hating yourself ehh?? Next we know you'll be singing Glory,Glory Man United. Haha.
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post Apr 18 2007, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 18 2007, 12:30 PM)
You're right man, didn't notice you changed avatar. If you're afraid of someone seeing, get one on your ass.
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Nope not afraid of someone seeing very much like you an exhibitionist! haha no worries man definitely will re-think when we win our third in a row AND the Quad this season! smile.gif

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post Apr 18 2007, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Apr 18 2007, 12:18 PM)
Roman's take over is like a dream to me and I'm pretty sure that all of us, the Chelsea supporters are delighted about it. It's not our fault for Roman to buy over. It's not us who ask him to buy the club. We can't stop him either.

Alright. I maybe young and probably one of the youngest supporters here but I start to support Chelsea before Roman comes. Call me glory hunter or not, as you like. But you know.. to call all of the Chelsea fans as glory hunters is simply too unfair for those who start supporting them before they start winning cups like the other clubs do.

P/s: Blue is the colour! smile.gif
I understand the excitement over having bags of money to spend on transfers. I'd be lying if I said I'm not looking forward to who Rafa brings in next season now that we have a reasonable amount in the transfer kitty. My first reaction though was one of disappointment. By selling the club to Americans, I felt as though we were selling our soul. The same can be said about many Man Utd fans. My uncle who lives in the UK sold his shares immediately. I've said before that I support LFC for it's traditions and values, all which could be forgotten under new ownership, especially when we accumulate more and more fans. Even the infamous 'Bootroom' is no longer and now the Moores family legacy has come to an end. It said a lot when Moores wept after selling the club he loves but he knew he had to do it for it's best interest. My only consolation is that Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett have promised to preserve the clubs tradition, culture and values. Only time will tell if they live up to it.

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why ppl here comparing football club with gf/wife.Aren't they totally different thing at all?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 18 2007, 12:37 PM)
My only consolation is that Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett have promised not to preserve the clubs tradition, culture and values. Only time will tell if they live up to it.
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If that happened Liverpool fans would be up in arms!
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Apr 18 2007, 12:34 PM)
C'mon Duke, join the dark side...you know you want to.

And what's with the praising C. Ronaldo on the PFA Player Of The Year thread?? As a pool fan, you're obligated to say Gerrard/Crouch/Alonso/Agger/Carragher is the best. Although credit to you for giving credit where credit is due.

You must be really hating yourself ehh?? Next we know you'll be singing Glory,Glory Man United. Haha.
I may be a Liverpool fan but I am also a football fan. As a football fan, I have to give credit where it's due. I understand fans are supposed to be biased but being deluded is quite another thing. Perhaps that's why they say Liverpool fans are the most knowledgeable tongue.gif I hate you mancs with passion but I do respect you.

QUOTE(aw13 @ Apr 18 2007, 12:36 PM)
Nope not afraid of someone seeing very much like you an exhibitionist!  haha no worries man definitely will re-think when we win our third in a row AND the Quad this season!  smile.gif
I'm not shy to show my allegiance if that's what you are getting it. Anyone can swap kits when they decide to jump onto another bandwagon. I derive extreme pleasure from displaying my loyalty especially to glory hunters biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Apr 18 2007, 12:42 PM)
why ppl here comparing football club with gf/wife.Aren't they totally different thing at all?
It's called an analogy:

"An analogy is a comparison between two different things, in order to highlight some form of similarity."
- wikipedia

QUOTE(verx @ Apr 18 2007, 12:43 PM)
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If that happened Liverpool fans would be up in arms!
Just noticed that! Have corrected myself. biggrin.gif

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post Apr 18 2007, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 18 2007, 12:37 PM)
I understand the excitement over having bags of money to spend on transfers. I'd be lying if I said I'm not looking forward to who Rafa brings in next season now that we have a reasonable amount in the transfer kitty. My first reaction though was one of disappointment. By selling the club to Americans, I felt as though we were selling our soul. The same can be said about many Man Utd fans. My uncle who lives in the UK sold his shares immediately. I've said before that I support LFC for it's traditions and values, all which could be forgotten under new ownership, especially when we accumulate more and more fans. Even the infamous 'Bootroom' is no longer and now the Moores family legacy has come to an end. It said a lot when Moores wept after selling the club he loves but he knew he had to do it for it's best interest. My only consolation is that Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett have promised to preserve the clubs tradition, culture and values. Only time will tell if they live up to it.
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Anyway, if Roman doesn't come, I'll be fine with it as well. Afterall, the years that I started supporting Chelsea are already without big amount of transfer kitty, so for him to come or not, I'll still be supporting them. It makes no difference to me except these few years, his money has helped us a lot. That's a bonus.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 18 2007, 12:43 PM)
I'm not shy to show my allegiance if that's what you are getting it. Anyone can swap kits when they decide to jump onto another bandwagon. I derive extreme pleasure from displaying my loyalty especially to glory hunters biggrin.gif
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haha that's cool with me man. say NO to glory hunters! biggrin.gif

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5 or 6 years?? No offence, but try 2 or 3 years.

Spot on! That's why people hate Jose so much. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 18 2007, 12:43 PM)
I may be a Liverpool fan but I am also a football fan. As a football fan, I have to give credit where it's due. I understand fans are supposed to be biased but being deluded is quite another thing. Perhaps that's why they say Liverpool fans are the most knowledgeable  tongue.gif I hate you mancs with passion but I do respect you.

I'm not shy to show my allegiance if that's what you are getting it. Anyone can swap kits when they decide to jump onto another bandwagon. I derive extreme pleasure from displaying my loyalty especially to glory hunters biggrin.gif

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Haha, that's the difference between us fans in Malaysia and those in UK. We love our clubs to bits but we'll give credit where credit is due. And we don't see the need to kill fellow fans or players over disagreement on club rivalry like that taxi driver you met on your trip there earlier this month.

As for your hatred and respect at the same time for us. Ditto man, that's all I gotta say.

Oh..and hell yeah. It's a great,great feeling showing my allegiances to my club towards glory hunters. I derive extreme pleasure at showing how proud I am of my club regardless of whatever position we are in to my friend, the former Man United and Real Madrid, currently a hardcore Chelski supporter, or so he claims. It's still gives me extreme pleasures now, it gave me extreme pleasures when he was a Rea; Madrid fan and it will always give me extreme pleasures I reckon.


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 16 2007, 02:40 PM)
In light of the fact that some fans look at others as being of the glory-hunting variety and so on, I thought it would be appropriate to get some views on what people perceive as being a hard-core fan. It's not for us to judge or discriminate as everyone has the right to support their club in any manner they see fit. While I admit this, I still find it annoying when fair-weather fans try to put up an argument with weak points.

Let me ask you then, what is your definition of a hard-core fan?
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Let just say I support Liverpool for like 12 years till now so its that count as real fan ?
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Apr 18 2007, 12:55 PM)
Haha, that's the difference between us fans in Malaysia and those in UK. We love our clubs to bits but we'll give credit where credit is due. And we don't see the need to kill fellow fans or players over disagreement on club rivalry like that taxi driver you met on your trip there earlier this month.
That was one scary dude. I can understand why the rivalry over in the UK is so intense. When fans take the piss out of each other, it often touches a nerve, like when they sing songs that make fun of the Munich Air Disaster or Hillsborough. Many of these fans have lost family members or friends to these tragedies and you can't blame them for wanting to pummel the opposition for disrespecting them.


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QUOTE(7chai @ Apr 18 2007, 12:56 PM)
Let just say I support Liverpool for like 12 years till now so its that count as real fan ?
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Hard to say, it's not about how long you've been a fan. Read some of the posts and come up with your own conclusion.

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QUOTE(air_mood @ Apr 18 2007, 12:55 PM)
Haha, that's the difference between us fans in Malaysia and those in UK. We love our clubs to bits but we'll give credit where credit is due. And we don't see the need to kill fellow fans or players over disagreement on club rivalry like that taxi driver you met on your trip there earlier this month.

As for your hatred and respect at the same time for us. Ditto man, that's all I gotta say.

Oh..and hell yeah. It's a great,great feeling showing my allegiances to my club towards glory hunters. I derive extreme pleasure at showing how proud I am of my club regardless of whatever position we are in to my friend, the former Man United and Real Madrid, currently a hardcore Chelski supporter, or so he claims. It's still gives me extreme pleasures now, it gave me extreme pleasures when he was a Rea; Madrid fan and it will always give me extreme pleasures I reckon.
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I think fans in Europe do give credit where it's due as well. They aren't as crazy as ppl make them out to be. Off my head i remember Man Utd fans giving Ronaldo a standing ovation after he scored a hattrick at OT and Real Madrid fans doing the same after Ronaldinho single handedly demolished us at home.

But i do wonder if the Mancs would do the same if for instance Gerrard scored a hattrick in OT tongue.gif hmm.gif
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Everyone is a real fan as long as they stick to their beloved team during the glory days and gloomy days.. What you do for your club is just a sign of love to the club. It is not necessary a means to measure how big a fan you are compared to others. About supporting more than one club.. hmmm.. Hard to say man... It's a debatable point as well..
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QUOTE(schmeichel7 @ Apr 18 2007, 01:04 PM)
Everyone is a real fan as long as they stick to their beloved team during the glory days and gloomy days.. What you do for your club is just a sign of love to the club. It is not necessary a means to measure how big a fan you are compared to others. About supporting more than one club.. hmmm.. Hard to say man... It's a debatable point as well..
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The same analogy about the g/f thingy I guess. biggrin.gif Well, don't lie if any of you don't have more than a g/f at once. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(verx @ Apr 18 2007, 01:01 PM)
I think fans in Europe do give credit where it's due as well. They aren't as crazy as ppl make them out to be. Off my head i remember Man Utd fans giving Ronaldo a standing ovation after he scored a hattrick at OT and Real Madrid fans doing the same after Ronaldinho single handedly demolished us at home.

But i do wonder if the Mancs would do the same if for instance Gerrard scored a hattrick in OT tongue.gif hmm.gif
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I honestly don't think that will happen, considering the rivalry between the clubs. No would I think the Pool fans applauding Ronaldo and Rooney if they scored a hat-trick at Anfield. There's just too much hatred between the 2 clubs there.

With all due respect, Real Madrid aren't really our rivals are they?? And I don't mean that in a competitive sort of thing. You are a challengers to us in European football. We never had bad history together or anything. So I don't think we have problems applauding Ronaldo when he scored that hat-trick cause he undoubtedly deserved it. Although in recent developments I won't be surprised to see Mijatovic or Calderon getting the hell booed out of them if they come to OT.


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Everyone is a real fan as long as they stick to their beloved team during the glory days and gloomy days.. What you do for your club is just a sign of love to the club. It is not necessary a means to measure how big a fan you are compared to others. About supporting more than one club.. hmmm.. Hard to say man... It's a debatable point as well..


Let me just put it this way. Say you support Manchester United and Real Madrid. Who will you support when the 2 meet in a European game? You claim to be a supporter of both teams, so how do you stay objective to one??? Any team will do,because both are my team???

No such thing. If you are real fan of a certain club, there shouldn't even be a slight hesitation on who you support when your team plays. Simple as that.

I'm not even going to start on people who support multiple clubs in the same league. That's just insane and plain idiocy and I'm going to use this overused statement again, they deserve to be shot.

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