I understand where Chrisky is coming from.
It's all very subjective. I personally don't think u can measure your support for the club just by how many games u watch or how much u have spent buying merchandise. As long as u choose to support a club till the day you die it's good enough for me

This post has been edited by verx: Apr 17 2007, 11:13 AM

As I said earlier.. the measurement thing is too subjective. You can't measure it.. I cannot say you are not a die hard roma fan just because you don't know about your club's history.. But it's worth a while knowing about it... It's fun and makes you love your club more... Nowadays information is unlimited, thanks to internet. Just visit wikipedia at least if you want to learn about your football club.

For example, knowing about how a dog was a huge part of the birth of Manchester United. It amazes me and is very interesting.. because it's a true story. It helps anyway to bond more to the club but it doesn't mean you must know everything about your club just to be called a fan.

^ Wikipedia is one of the least reliable information sources imo...but it's a good place to get started i guess
I must admit that reading up on the history of RM made me more attached to the club. So to Chrisky: Go do your homework!!

i know some of my team's history lah of coz. at least i know who's Giuseppe Giannini, Bruno Conti, Rudi Voller, etc.

its juz that most of the details info i can find is in Italian. n Babelfish translation is always hopeless.

buy original, don't buy replica jersey

Hehehe.. Yeah, it's hard eh.. Since most info published might be in Italiano.. hehehe.. but that's a good challenge mate. I saw this dude in ESPN STAR who seems to be an expert in Italian Football.. malay guy, maybe from Singapore. But he speaks English with an Italian accent. Wah...

So true...
I'm just lucky a certain Mr Phil Ball compiled a nice little book on RM

Well procrastinate no longer then. If we win our 6th this season, you have to promise to get one!



I totally agree. If you love a girl, you will eventually ask her questions about her past, no?

That's the word for it, proper fan. I totally get you on the values bit though some people may scoff at it. It wasn't the quality of football that attracted me, it was the values instilled in the club. This is why I can honestly say I love LFC, because like knowing a girl's personality and traits, I know Liverpool's.



Oath! Off with their heads!



Exactly, information is just a click away. It's not that I'm judgmental of fans and how they choose to support their club. What gets me is fans who claim to be really into their clubs but have no knowledge prior to being fans. If you claim to love your club, how can you not know about your club? If on the other hand you claim to be a regular supporter, then fair play. It's annoying when you get into arguments with fans of rival clubs who think they know it all when if fact, you probably know more about their club than them. This is why when I visit forums such as RAWK, I go there to learn and not argue, unless I know my stuff. No point going on these forums to make a fool of myself. Problem is that most people are not willing to learn and when you tell them something about their club, they take it as though you are challenging them and they get all defensive.



I've met such supporters. I share the same opinion as you. It's ok to have a soft spot for another team though, I had one for West Ham back in the day and I still do.


Precisely, not everyone is free all the time. People have commitments. I have encountered though fans who don't even know when or who their club has played (past tense). Ok fair play if you couldn't watch the game but aren't you at least curious to know if the won???

I personally could care less about England though Carra, Gerrard and Crouch are in the team. All I want is for my boys to come back fit.

Well everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is you can't love something you know nothing about. You don't have to watch ALL your games as we all have commitments. I hate people who have wedding or birthday functions of Saturdays . It's also not about how much you spend on the club, not everyone has money trees growing in their gardens. To me though, it's about how much you know your club. That's how you start a love affair.

I'm not judging you mate, just voicing my opinion. Fair play to you for supporting an Italian team given the amount of people that support those in the EPL. I myself used to watch Inter Milan play during the days of Mattheus, Brehme, Klinsmann, Zenga, Bergomi, Serena and Sosa but my I started to lose interest when the EPL started getting more coverage.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 17 2007, 12:15 PM

Drinking Real Power often would help.

Haha.. Tried that already.. But tak sedap la bro... taste a bit bitter, maybe got tongkat ali?

Loving a football cluib is like loving a girl. When you love her/it, you want to know everything you can about it/her. Like verx said, how can you fall in love with something/someone that you don't know off?? That's more than lus than love. Lusting over trophies or a player probably?? Haha, I'm starting to sound like damn Dr. Phil.

Not trying to take the piss out of but I couldn't help it. A discussion about a real/true/proper fan and only one Chelski fan to be seen about. No pun intended to the likse of esca_flo and Kidscode as those who has supported the club a hell of long time though( I still hate you guys though,hahaha), to name a few.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Apr 17 2007, 01:55 PM

Well the positive thing is there has been a fair number of views, if not posts. It's ok not to post if you have nothing to say, just as long as you learn something from this. Fans in Malaysia are not as pressured to know about their clubs mainly because a huge majority don't. If you visit foreign forums though, it helps to know a little at least. If you actually visit Liverpool, Manchester or whatever, trust me, it's crucial to know something especially when you strike up a conversation with one of the locals. They will be apprehensive of course thinking you are one of those tourist type fans, but they will warm up to you when you show them you can hold your own.

i felt u r hardcore fan if other people insult ur club, ur player, ur manager and everyone link to the club (except Malcolm glazer for man utd case)

actually when watching football match at mamak, i felt insulted if anyone 'kutuk' my club and i'll try to find back point to shoot back at their club..

I'm sure most fans will because it is a common reaction. It's the same if someone were to 'kutuk' the car you were driving. You get offended. Seldom do you see Malaysian fans engage in friendly banter like in the UK. Everyone here takes it personally as though someone just insulted their mother.

I think when you argue and defend you're club thought it's pretty obvious you're doing so in vain,you're quite a real fan Go drop by the various threads after certain outcomes of a match,you get this alot.This falls under emotionally attached to the club I suppose,as one has pointed out.

Definately knowing some form of history/culture/whatever u wanna call it would be a good indicator,but I don't think it's particularly necessary.Some have been using the whole girlfren analogy as an example,but some ppl just like their girl for her present that they couldn't be too bothered bout digging up the past.So to speak.

I personally don't "fall in love" with the history of a club.I started supporting MU back as a kid (which is like,13 years ago maybe?lol) for reasons I can hardly remember.And I was freakin 7 years old that time.I couldn't be bothered with keeping track of history and what nots.Plus coverage wasn't that often,and I didn't get Astro at it's launch but till much later,so I haven't watched a gazillion games.

However I am still "emotionally attached" to my club,if I may put it as so.

Do I label my housemate as a Man Utd fan? You be the judge, hesitating to switch clubs, from Man Utd to Chelsea...Shucks, sad isn't it?

You reminded me about this friend of mine, during the Roma and Man Utd at Rome, he kept saying that Roma take freekicks and throwins very quickly without the referee's whistle. I was annoyed though I am a Liverpool fan, I told him that Ryan Giggs scored a freekick against Lille without the referee's whistle and the team was still forming the wall. I do not have any grudge towards this issue, but it's kinda annoying to see people shooting other teams without even considering their own.

Don't misunderstand. It's not only knowing about her past, it's knowing about her. Similarly it's not only knowing about the history of your football club, it's knowing about their 'personality'. Also if someone claims to be a serious/real/hardcore/whatever supporter, would they not want to find out about their club?

There is no right and wrong here. I just think the term "hard core fan" or "real fan" is often overused. Again I have to use the who relationship analogy and point out that it can only be a serious relationship if you get to know her.

Ah yea,knowing their "personality" would be more logical then knowing the "history" as per say,I would agree on that.

And yea,the term is definately overused and undefined,oh well ..

well, imo, it's always good to know a lil bit of history about the club. It makes you look less ignorant when another person ask you about your club. just my opinion

It's ok to be ignorant and to learn from another, even if it's a rival fan. What bites me is when ignorant people pick an argument and get their facts wrong. It's ok not to know too much, just be humble.