Agreed. Uber most stupid move is Upfront Fare. Thanks to this, many drivers now can rest during peak hours.

Coz they want to compete with Grab, no differentiation between Uber and Grab, which they totally forgotten or ignore about drivers, if drivers willing to accept upfront fare, I rather as well choose Grab, at least I know the rider destination, at least I can do a mental calculation if it worth it or not....

They thought they invicible, they got plenty of new drivers sign up daily, then, they play around with surge pricing during peak hours (not sure still got or not, last time, can see all map red colour mean surge)

For riders, what I would usually do, I open both apps, I just choose the lowest fare. I got no any preference. But, if both fare similar, then, I choose Grab, coz Grab got rewards point

Another thing I dislike about Uber, last time rider apps, they got show you the surge, ask you to keyed in the surge rate to confirm acceptance of the ride, now, they quietly tell u upfront fare, which can be surge pricing without the rider know....if you not familiar with the usual fare, or dunno how it work, u bulat bulat kena tipu by Uber......very unethical business model

taxi sapu know the price and destination before agree to take


Is e-hailing public transport?

Lots of view points on should driver know the price/destination before pickup, and should driver be force to pickup non-agreeable job?

my own personal view, if e-hailing is public transport, then yes, driver need to pickup all, but if e-hailing is not public transport then driver should have the say
I would put e-hailing as not public transport
Why not let the free market decide on the correct fare+destination?
(if drivers are not picking some fare+destination, just means there is a price mismatch)

Then again, e-hailing in under SPAD ( Suruhanjaya Pengangkutan Awam Darat ) - public transport
if e-hailing need to behave like public transport, there should be no option to accept pickup (all pickup is mandatory), no cancellation is allowed unless vehicle got problem.
Rider rating will be discontinued, as all pickup is mandatory
.... and e-hailing drivers get some subsidies for doing public transport


note: those Taxi association really got no head, if they do, they just need demand fair competition (e-hailing must do mandatory pickup) and you would see e-haling drivers quitting by the lorry loads

Unhappy drivers, lead lower ratings for riders. Then riders return 'favour' to drivers. Drivers kena ban. Uber start hunting for new drivers. New drivers then become unhappy and the cycle goes on.

Uber's very own self-destructive mechanism.

new drivers will become old/ experienced drivers very fast. lol .

+100
It's my car, damn it. Stupid Uber owns nothing. As if Uber drivers make way more than their competitors.
Why other competitor such as Grab can allow this ? Even Lyft is also allowing it ?
By not allowing drivers to see destination, they can perform a lot of hanky-panky stuffs.


You won't be bothered about destination if you are a full-time driver.
You won't be bothered about destination if you are earn better than those that can see destination.
But this is not the case.

And 1 year ago is a long time in this ride-hailing industry.
You see changes every month.

Yesterday evening rush hour, a queue came in and stated Long Trip (40+ mins), and at 2.7x surge. I thought, ho sei liao, thought airport.

Mana tau Amcorp Mall to Kota Damansara. One hour jam to go the 18km distance.

But still ok la, gross fare was RM50+. One hours work.

This post has been edited by ieian81: Sep 29 2017, 01:15 PM

Also ho sei what.
rm40 nett for 1 hour, some more to high demand area.
Airport is empty trip back.

use uber fare estimator to calculate,

i personally felt driving uber in my area dificult to get income due to every 1 hour only get 2 trip usually, sometimes 3 trip only

bro, nowadays too many drivers on the road lah. need to wait quite long to get customer in KLIA.

Well said. at least as a driver we need to know where is the destination before we pick up the customer.

2.7x65 lagi ho sei. I will makan dinner there and wait for return trip lo. Haha

Can waiting de mie?sometimes ur request might not from klia right

#greedisgood
True, 2.7x already can cover your empty trip back hahaha...

This post has been edited by Utopia Angel: Sep 29 2017, 06:58 PM

can't get it...
sometimes ublur offer morning quest but sometimes evening quest?

either not enough or no drivers online during the after work rush hours, demand is high but no cars so their 25% coz no cars to answer those requests. Hidden upfront fare is the worst thing Uber ever implemented.

This post has been edited by xcamsight: Oct 1 2017, 05:40 PM

Let me give u a little bit of history of both Uber and Grab.....

The question you should ask is whether Uber or Grab is a ride-sharing concept or another new public transport option in town?

Uber was created with objective as ride sharing concept. If you had read the story of how Uber got conceptualized, it was because the fella got frustrated at dunno if not mistaken San Francisco, during peak hours, he unable to get a cab, while at same time, noticed a lot of car with just driver. So, why don't create an tools to match this empty car driver with someone who need a ride, in return for some money to share the gasoline cost?

Then, come in Grab to take a share of the pie, copying the same concept, maybe due to their frustration, they created MyTeksi, to match riders and taxi drivers, but, then, knowing very well Malaysian taxi drivers, super choosy, I even experienced before, request ride thru MyTeksi, saw at least 10-20 taxi around, but, none want to accept. So, if Uber got this concept, why don't copy them, instead of rely on taxi, we ask private vehicle owner. So, here come the birth of new public transport, anyone with a car can offer a ride to anyone.

But, somehow, this idea was too alien, too far advance to majority of people, to the government, therefore, somehow along the way, it being repackaged as e-hailing public transport. And, by way of their marketing, u can see they keep saying you can earn RM10k per month working part-time, etc (which we all now already known, it bullshit, not realistic and after deducting all the cost, it far from it)....indirectly, telling u it can be a full time income generating tools too.

Therefore, conclusion, both Uber and Grab is just another form of public transport. If you ask me, like it or not, the drivers must accept destination within the service area for all accepted ride request. And, at same time, they must be also fairly compensated, at least like taxi fare or given incentives like taxi. All the rating remain, as u know how good our SPAD work, else, you won't still see so many bad taxi drivers still around conning others. And, riders must also register too, so bad riders can be banned too. This also explain why last time, when Uber only accept credit card, riders all are well behaved, coz they know Uber had their detail. Now, I can create just a fake rider account with prepaid number, request a ride, and act pain in ass for the driver, and even if I got suspended, I can create a new one with new prepaid number. Or, I can even rob the driver this way, if I want.

E-hailing is just another term, nothing to do with what public transport or private transport. It like you go bank withdraw money, either u can go counter or go ATM. Both objective still same.....question is is Uber and Grab is ride sharing or new public transport?

ride share = driver can choose customer/destination

public transport = driver cannot choose customer/destination

I also confuse....

In their recruitment for riders, keep saying easily earn 10k with part time and flexible work hours which sound like ride share

but, then, dammed lots of regulations, cannot reject customers or destination, riders is everything, etc, plus now with new government regulations, dunno what new license, puspakom inspection, etc.....sound like public transport

Anyway, used to be a good avenue for additional income, not much, just to tide over difficult times, now no more.....too much hassle