for extreme oc, this can be the case because the oc'ed system is operating outside zones that are considered stable.

for normal oc, there is no such issue yet.

NVMe ssd is getting cheaper nowadays


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very nice

hopefully there will be more discounts with higher-capacity ones hehe

yeah atleast samsung puts a disclaimer whats the actual speed after the turbo boost ( initial)

but afaik nvme samsungs hasnt solved anything in windows patches yet

samsungs says MS fault MS says samsung. but intel nvme etc all no issue...

so thats that.

what happens.. during major updates like fall etc.. u get bsod. only way to update it without fresh install is.. clone to ssd/hdd.. update and clone back.

for now, imo clean installs is the better way to go.

hi,

Wanted to ask, I am planning to get a new pc next year. (I know is still early to ask, but am actually researching on my setup and understand more on current tech).

I am planning to go for the Ryzen platform (hopefully to get Zen2 arch.), and am looking to have 2x M.2 drives + 2 HDD.

Hence my question is, is it better to have one M.2 NVMe as OS and M.2 SATA as game/application, or the other way around?

imo for cost-effectiveness, use at least a 240gb range nvme ssd for os drive and most commonly used applications, then a large-capacity sata-based ssd for additional application/game storage.

using nvme ssds for game storage doesn't give you much of an advantage in general.

actually i was in a dilemma because I am actually going to dedicate one SSD for OS only, and a second drive for game/application.

From what I have found "reading reviews etc." Using NVMe M.2 drive as OS only in normal basis (I mainly use my PC for entertainment/leisure such as browsing, watching movies, torrents, and game, not really using it for work related) doesn't really utilize its speed advantage, hence I was thinking of M.2 SATA for OS and M.2 NVMe for game/application as let say you are doing photoshop, rendering or some other I/O intensive application, it will only be useful

Hence that is the reason I am asking here, sorry if my question is not clear

Or would just 2x M.2 SATA one for OS and one for game is enough? Am thinking of getting a 256GB for OS and another 512GB for games/application but depending on the price at that time, maybe will go for both 512GB.

Currently my PC was bought back in end of Dec 2015 with the following specs:

- i7 6700
- 16GB DDR4 Corsair Value RAM
- MSI R9 390 8GB
- Lite-ON 256GB 2.5" SATA SSD
- 3TB Seagate HDD
- Superflower 750W Leadex Gold
- Gigabyte H170
- Define R5 Blackout Windowed

Reason for change:
not sure why I couldn't play other games other than Overwatch or Tales of Berseria, played Bioshock 1 Remastered, freeze crash after a few hours, played Witcher 3, freeze crashes after every hour

you can use a small sata ssd for os drive, and use larger nvme ssds for game storage. to me it's just more cost-effective to do it the other way around (or just use sata ssds for both), because nvme ssds cost more, and you barely get benefits from it.

in reality, the performance gap between nvme and sata ssds are not significant in client work loads like what you described. sata-based ssds are usually sufficient.

as for the reason for such a change, i'm not sure if it's ssd-related.

in general ssds, from good brands like samsung, intel, crucial, kingston and sandisk/wd, have the lowest failure rate among common hardware. specifically, samsung ssds are one of those with the lowest failure rates among ssd brands.

if you're worried about rma, just get the units from samsung official store at lazada. before purchase, ask and understand clearly how to do rma with them.

for your hdd failures, maybe it's related to something else.

since you have confirmed their rma policy via email, yes rma for legit local units are usually from the shop that you got their ssds from. however, in lazada, make sure you check if the seller are following the same policy. previously i checked and found out that some sellers have their own policies.

alternatively you can contact idealtech to handle rma for you for a fee. know that only legit local units are eligible.

i only know idealtech offers such a service. i have no idea about the rest.

i do suggest putting heat sinks on top of your nvme ssds. starting from 960 evo/pro samsung do something to their stickers to help dissipate heat, so putting thermal pad + heat sink without removing sticker is still good. i did remove stickers of the older models previously, but i did not do this on 960 evo/pro. currently the temperature is like 45c max, under load. i don't notice 'any words being removed' yet.

it's fine for you i guess

Thank you for the advice, was just debating whether using SATA for OS or NVMe for OS. Sorry for the rant

So you think just M.2 SATA is enough for both OS and game/applications in my usage?

Does this means that NVMe SSDs are only applicable for work-related or video editing scenarios?

no problem hehe

yes i do think so. nvme ssds do improve performance. however the improvements are not really significant if the use case is for home use. even for work purposes, it might not be as useful as you thought (depending on work loads)

since the price gap between sata and nvme ssds are large in general, i think it's better to get sata ssds with larger capacities instead.

okay, understood.

Thanks for the patience in explaining

I will go for 2 M.2 SATA drives then.

Do you think 256GB for OS is enough? I plan to get another one with 512GB for game/applications. Saves the hassle in case I fked up something and needed to clean install/ system restore

you're welcome

if it's for os only + some common productivity applications for daily use, it's more than enough. in my case, i do an over-provisioning of 20%, so the usable space is about 200gb; i disabled hibernate and set a minimal page file only, since my systems have a lot of system ram. only 31gb is used so far.

right, having a small sized dedicated os drive is a better practice. it's more convenient to do maintenance tasks e.g. to create regular system backups before and after windows updates, and restore the systems when shits happen. you should also relocate documents folders to separate data drives. (after clean installs, just restore the locations will do)

having a dedicated application/game storage is good, because game files are huge (if you had a considerable large game library), meaning they will consume more ssd writes every time you re-download them. since these days game clients like origin and steam lets you load game libraries from different drives, what you should do is just that. this saves a lot of download time, and help reduce unnecessary and significant write consumption in ssds.

this issue is a big deal for me though

its been like this for years. sam blaims ms. ms says samsung.

no issue with other brand nvme.

wow i'm not aware of this issue actually. i did clean installs all this while.

it's just terrible.

thats the thing.. its been there for years.. just google..

but nobody talked about it...

i came from z87 to x299..

cause in the x299 a friend of mine told me about this.

my 960pro/evo i am just using them now lol as storage for games and another one as os for stresstesting/overclocking OS.

will never use them as daily driver

u will even find this issues on laptops etc.. fallupdate etc etc.. all bsod.