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gck
post Jan 30 2018, 09:58 AM

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when is the next 200km..i shall take up the chalen
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post Jan 30 2018, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(rkhairulrijal @ Jan 29 2018, 10:18 PM)
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Sunday, Jan 28, Kapar, Klang. I will never forget this day as I decided to break my comfort zone and embarked in 200 kilometres cycling event. The renowned Brevets De Randonneurs Mondiaux event.

BRM 200 - The Pink Ride: the route was 90 per cent flat but the scorching sun was unbearable, especially on the last 20 kilometres where there are no shades to cover your ride.


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Cruising with my trusted Tern Verge X20, me and my trusted buddies form a group of peloton mostly comprises of folding bicycle (two 16” brompton).
The strong and senior Audax riders will pull the rookies and give support.

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It was a memorable 200km of journey as this is a fully self-supported event. No water station, no support car, no sweeper, and no escort all the way to the finishing line. You need a ball of steel to join this.

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There were a bunch of roadies bonked by the roadside and me is no excuse. I lost my peloton on the final 20km (due to certain circumstances), with the heat and fatigue, my mental broke down but there is no tuning back.

What am trying to say is no matter what bicycle you rode, the kind of state of the art modding, or gearing ratio…if there is a will, there is a way. No excuse.

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“Overslept, no medic, no water station, no Marshall, no road sign.” that is pussy.

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We met at last 20km at the kedai runcit at a junction. i'm the guy with red ridley roadbike. thumbsup.gif
desastar
post Jan 30 2018, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(KenC @ Jan 30 2018, 02:30 AM)
I over slept… 2 days didn't sleep… This is one audax I am so confident to complete within COT… damn…
Too many hobbies liao…
No matter, there's always another brevet…
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Aiyah, pity I wasn’t in the country, otherwise piece of cake lah!!

Hahaha!

Sitting in aircond room drinking coffee, typing this...

😅😅😅
rkhairulrijal
post Jan 30 2018, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(small_fish18 @ Jan 30 2018, 12:25 PM)
We met at last 20km at the kedai runcit at a junction. i'm the guy with red ridley roadbike.  :thumbsup:
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Ahhh... i remember..near air jagung kan..am totally flat that time 😂. Luckly that sundry shop got fan and the taukeh was nice enough allowing us to sit inside chilling. The heat was unbearable man. Nice meeting you btw.

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post Jan 31 2018, 12:22 PM

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I wonder a folding bike in a luagage bag can survive this...

https://youtu.be/9MZqiE3yGlQ

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post Jan 31 2018, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(gck @ Jan 30 2018, 09:58 AM)
when is the next 200km..i shall take up the chalen
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etigge
post Feb 1 2018, 10:52 AM

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Done ! I have managed to install a 11/42T - 10 speed cassette on a folding bike. A bit tricky but very possible. Mine was a bit hard because of the pivot fold folding system (like Brompton, Birdy) but the system is very much easier on a regular folding bikes , regardless if it is dolphin shaped or otherwise.

Problem was encountered during the lowest 2 gears, 36 and 42 teeth setting. The chain was jumping out of the pulleys on the cage. Found out that the chain was out of alignment too much. Check the BB and the spindle (square tapered) was too long. It was 127.5mm and this makes the crank too far out to align. Changed to a 110mm unit and it was OK but another problem arises. The chain was rubbing the sides of the rear stays but this only happens on my particular bike. If it is a Dahon Speed design or any dolphin shaped design, this will not be an issue.

Another issue was the chain sag. If I were to adjust the chain like what we do normally, the RD cage will hit the ground when the chain is on the 36 and 42 teeth setting. So, we have to adjust the chain at such a length that the chain will pull the RD forward (instead of downwards) at the biggest cogs setting. After finalising the length, the RD cage looks like it was in a high setting even though it ws the lowest ( 11teeth setting) but it doesn't matter. The lowest the RD cage came was on the 6th and 7th gear but it still didn't touch the ground. It will help if yours wheels are 451s which is even higher as this is a 406.

Reminder, this will be OK for experienced riders but not recommended for newbies as the RD cage very near the ground. BUt even if you were to sweep the corner and leaning at 45 degree tongue.gif , the cage still won't hit the ground. Just becareful of kerbs and rocks, that's all.

Now this bike is lighter and with 42 teeth maximum , it can do Fraser's Hill easily with single chain ring. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

RD cage resting position.

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RD cage lowest point !

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RD cage position on 42 teeth setting.

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fatani
post Feb 1 2018, 12:55 PM

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Woah, that's a pretty 'low' cage you got there sifu. I'd freak out if i got similar setting on mine. I wonder how will the hanger hold up. Interesting stuff!
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post Feb 1 2018, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(fatani @ Feb 1 2018, 12:55 PM)
Woah, that's a pretty 'low' cage you got there sifu. I'd freak out if i got similar setting on mine. I wonder how will the hanger hold up. Interesting stuff!
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There's another way to shorten the cage. You can actually get a shorter cage RD and then add a goat's link. But the newer generation Shimano RDs actually have a goat's link attached. Anyway, those near settings, we don't use them often, only when we trudge uphill and even that, the speed might be only 6 km/h . tongue.gif So, there's no danger of hitting the cage.
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post Feb 1 2018, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(rkhairulrijal @ Jan 30 2018, 01:49 PM)
Ahhh... i remember..near air jagung kan..am totally flat that time 😂. Luckly that sundry shop got fan and the taukeh was nice enough allowing us to sit inside chilling. The heat was unbearable man. Nice meeting you btw.
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Nice meeting you! I'm glad the sun only start at 1 ish 2pm, the long flat stretch at 11-12pm was shady. I cant imagine doing this audax with 16" man, damn tough la you.
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post Feb 1 2018, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Feb 1 2018, 10:52 AM)
Done !  I have managed to install a 11/42T - 10 speed cassette on a folding bike. A bit tricky but very possible. Mine was a bit hard because of the pivot fold folding system (like Brompton, Birdy) but the system is very much easier on a regular folding bikes , regardless if it is dolphin shaped or otherwise.

Problem was encountered during the lowest 2 gears, 36 and 42 teeth setting. The chain was jumping out of the pulleys on the cage. Found out that the chain was out of alignment too much. Check the BB and the spindle (square tapered) was too long. It was 127.5mm and this makes the crank too far out to align. Changed to a 110mm unit and it was OK but another problem arises. The chain was rubbing theT sides of the rear stays but this only happens on my particular bike. If it is a Dahon Speed design or any dolphin shaped design, this will not be an issue.

Another issue was the chain sag. If I were to adjust the chain like what we do normally, the RD cage will hit the ground when the chain is on the 36 and 42 teeth setting. So, we have to adjust the chain at such a length that the chain will pull the RD forward (instead of downwards) at the biggest cogs setting. After finalising the length, the RD cage  looks like it was in a high setting even though it ws the lowest ( 11teeth setting) but it doesn't matter. The lowest the RD cage came was on the 6th and 7th gear but it still didn't touch the ground. It will help if yours wheels are 451s which is even higher as this is a 406.

Reminder, this will be OK for experienced riders but not recommended for newbies as the RD cage very near the ground. BUt even if you were to sweep the corner and leaning at 45 degree  tongue.gif  , the cage still won't hit the ground. Just becareful of kerbs and rocks, that's all.

Now this bike is lighter and with 42 teeth maximum , it can do Fraser's Hill easily with single chain ring.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

RD cage resting position.

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RD cage lowest point !

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RD cage position on 42 teeth setting.

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Brilliant! The long cage looks really marginal but as long as it works, can lah! smile.gif
Now I run out of excuses to no change my freewheel hub…

Sifu, what is the distance of the chainring to the centerline of the seat tube? And thinking if fitting the single chainring to the inside position and finally have a bash guard on the outside.


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post Feb 1 2018, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(KenC @ Feb 1 2018, 05:58 PM)
Brilliant! The long cage looks really marginal but as long as it works, can lah! smile.gif
Now I run out of excuses to no change my freewheel hub…

Sifu, what is the distance of the chainring to the centerline of the seat tube? And thinking if fitting the single chainring to the inside position and finally have a bash guard on the outside.
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Honestly, I didn't actually measure the distance. I kinda slap everything on it and see. The bike came with a very long spindle bottom bracket and in the beginning, I had problems on the last 2 gears. The chain kept jumping out of the cage pulley. Then I got another shorter BB and this brought the chainring nearer to the seat tube and from this workable setup, the chain is aligned straight with the chainring at the 6th gear. If you can get this setting, it should work. You can add spacers if the spindle is too short to bring the chain ring a bit further away.

Another point I omitted in my comment. I have to add chain links to the new 116 link as it was too short.
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post Feb 1 2018, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Feb 1 2018, 01:24 PM)
There's another way to shorten the cage. You can actually get a shorter cage RD and then add a goat's link. But the newer generation Shimano RDs actually have a goat's link attached. Anyway, those near settings, we don't use them often, only when we trudge uphill and even that, the speed might be only 6 km/h .  tongue.gif  So, there's no danger of hitting the cage.
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11-42t? Wow!
I agree that when you are on that gear, you will be crawling, so the chances of hitting anything would be slim. Only thing to watch for us when fitting wider tyres as the RD cage could rub the side of the tyre.
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post Feb 1 2018, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(desastar @ Feb 1 2018, 07:50 PM)
11-42t? Wow!
I agree that when you are on that gear, you will be crawling, so the chances of hitting anything would be slim. Only thing to watch for us when fitting wider tyres as the RD cage could rub the side of the tyre.
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Quite true. When I did a 3 x 9 speed on my Dahon a few years ago, I was using Big Apples and even with an LX rear derailleurs, the cage rubbed the tires at the 32 teeth cog and 52 teeth chainring.
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post Feb 3 2018, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ Jan 26 2018, 12:51 PM)
i had tiagra 4700 sti shifter cant work well with my ultegra 6700 rd. same goes on my friend tiagra 4700 flatbar shifter. he used 105 5700 rd and shifting are not that smooth. so gave him my ultegra 6800 rd to test and it works like a charm before he bought 105 5800 rd.

as for conclusion,
tiagra 4700, 105 5800, ultegra 6800
all can work well no matter 10/11speed.

tiagra 4600, 105 5700, ultegra 6700
all can work together without any hassle.

as for me,
i still used the 4700 sti with 6700 rd and tune what cog i need to used. the jump i dont care lah since i didnt used all cogs. since my ultegra 6700 rd are silver color match with 6700 crank laugh.gif
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What about 4600 shifter + 4700 rd. Any experience?
gck
post Feb 3 2018, 04:27 PM

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guys, don't over exert yourself when riding, i was on my morning ride at GCE saw one cyclist drop dead by the lane. I stopped get his driver's license from highway patrol, and post it on FB, take his phone try to call whoever that resembles family members and finally got to his wife. very healthy male 55 years old test riding his brand new s works fully equipped with power meter etc etc. after a long way finally his body was sent to sg buloh hospital for post mortem. i think he has got cardiac arrest. it didn't help when ambulance took like 30 mins to arrive. when i arrive i heard he was dead for 30 mins already.
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post Feb 3 2018, 07:11 PM

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Every other month we get fatal case on cycling… Be safe everyone. It's a vigorous sport after all.
Stay below 20km/h average speed and live another day.
fatani
post Feb 4 2018, 12:22 PM

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That is why for me, having a chest strap HRM is such an important feature. So that i can monitor my safe heart rate limit during cycling. Don't overpush yourself more than your body can handle. Know your limits.
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post Feb 4 2018, 12:27 PM

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What about those smart watches with heart rate reading? Are they accurate?
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QUOTE(gataddhin @ Feb 4 2018, 11:27 AM)
What about those smart watches with heart rate reading? Are they accurate?
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Due to the location of the sensor, wrist sensor data is not as reliable a chest strap (even the hi end one).Many variables affects the reading. It may be good for running though. But i dont think it'll provide accurate data for fitness or cycling, due to a lot of movement on the wrist. Also, sweat also will kacau sensor too.

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