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SUSHoka Nobasho
post Mar 4 2018, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Mar 4 2018, 12:48 PM)
Thanks for the heads up...
It's still an interesting discussion and fellowship in which some of us have not met for at least 15 years.
Some of their questions still lingering my mind now tho..
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No problem. Should you need any help about those questions, you can lay it out so that we can see what they're all about, so that you don't need to shoulder those burdens yourself. I'm an atheist myself, and I should be able to understand what are some of the questions that are asked by atheists.
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post Mar 4 2018, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Mar 4 2018, 04:38 AM)
I think you know what I mean. Seriously. If you are this ignorant,  I feel much more sorry for you then before. Maybe instead of preaching your traditions so much, you should actually be more open minded. And I am sure Tina actually knows what I am implying. Anyways if you still cannot figure out well,  Jesus did mentioned why He spoke in parables.

One thing I got to admit though. The mind control techniques used in Catholicism is really too notch.

You see yeeck. I have already given clues to you and you still cannot get it.

You see yeeck.  I do not need to know everything about Islam to see a connection. But then if after giving you clues you still cannot get it then well maybe I should not explain further.
At this point if you cannot even get what I mean,  explaining myself will only make me a fool right?
Matthew 7:6.

OK la.  I will give you more pearls since I am a fool. Catholics do not like jews and other Christian sects as well right?  Coincidence? If you still cannot get it,  Well let's just say this information is not really meant for you to know. I mean I already did so much of the thinking and gave you a big clue and you still do not get it?

If you really call yourself a Christian,  maybe you should look at the bible more instead of undermining the bible with your traditions. But then Christianity is just only a label for Catholics that's all.

To answer your question that Islam and me are coreligionist
Matthew 12:25-26

Actually that verse also applies to you and me.

Forget it then.
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If you think everyone is expected to accept what you are trying to preach via your insinuations and sarcasm while avoiding what I've explained to your outrageous claims, I really have no shadow of doubt why you are even fighting with other Protestants. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 4 2018, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 4 2018, 10:18 PM)
If you think everyone is expected to accept what you are trying to preach via your insinuations and sarcasm while avoiding what I've explained to your outrageous claims, I really have no shadow of doubt why you are even fighting with other Protestants. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yeeck why do you even bother to entertain him in the first place, don't you know he once claimed he's higher than God himself laugh.gif
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 4 2018, 10:21 PM)
Yeeck  why do you even bother to entertain him in the first place, don't you know he once claimed he's higher than God himself laugh.gif
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post Mar 4 2018, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 4 2018, 10:18 PM)
If you think everyone is expected to accept what you are trying to preach via your insinuations and sarcasm while avoiding what I've explained to your outrageous claims, I really have no shadow of doubt why you are even fighting with other Protestants. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Funny actually. That the same accusation forwarded to me could actually be used against you. Actually if people starts using those arguments against you that you are levying against me it means you have won the argument. Jesus also had problems with the saducces and the Pharisees. It just means I am on the right track.

BTW, I doubt you are still able to see through what I was trying to say but then you were never that bright anyway.

Actually I am going to give you some credit, you probably know what I am talking but are now resorting to use diversionary tactics. Tactics that were being taught in your church.
You are sure a great catholic and I am a lousy "protestant" but being a great catholic will get you no where in the eyes of God.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Mar 4 2018, 11:17 PM
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post Mar 5 2018, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 2 2018, 04:41 PM)
There is only one God creator of all whether Christian or otherwise.

However, "for all the gods of the Gentiles are devils" - Ps 96:5. The Islamic teaching that rejects the Trinity and Jesus as the Second Person of the Trinity would be false, thus in that sense they would not be worshipping the same God as we do.

Similarly, for Protestants to deny that Jesus said the consecrated bread and wine is truly His Body and His Blood would mean they worship a different Jesus from us. rolleyes.gif

Did you know that Islam was considered a Christian heresy of the 7th century back then?
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841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330


This statement implies Allah and Yahweh are the same god. So your statement that they would not be worshipping the same God as we do does not seem to line up with the statement in your RCC Catechism.

Maybe we do worship a different Jesus. We do not make an idol out of Him! laugh.gif

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post Mar 5 2018, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Mar 4 2018, 12:38 PM)
Asking atheist to believe in christ is damn more difficult to ask a Buddhist to believe in christ..

They will ask all kinds of difficult or funny questions that even some Christians finding it hard to answer.

During CNY, we chat for 4 hours among our friends which also includes a bunch of atheist and my Christian friends all look clueless..

True story. Not easy to deal with atheist.
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Atheists are different animal.

They are called A-theist for a reason. That they reject the concept of Theos. So they approach everything with this mindset.
Next they will try to use 'science' to justify their reasoning not knowing that their 'science' is also a belief system as science is based on numerous ASSumptions in itself. Therefore one needs to 'believe' the ASSumptions to get to the perceived conclusions.

So Yeah, short of God appearing to them personally, you will have a hard time to reason with them unless they are serious in seeking like the 'free thinkers'.
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post Mar 5 2018, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 5 2018, 09:43 AM)
Atheists are different animal.
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Nope, both atheists and theists are homosapiens, which is why there are Christians who are ex-Christians who became an atheist and vice versa, while being the same species in the animal kingdom.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 5 2018, 09:43 AM)
They are called A-theist for a reason. That they reject the concept of Theos. So they approach everything with this mindset.
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Nope, atheists do not reject the concept, we merely do not believe in it. It would be like saying we reject the concept of the invisible pink unicorn when it's clear that we merely do not believe in it in the first place to even have the capacity to reject or accept the concept at all.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 5 2018, 09:43 AM)
Next they will try to use 'science' to justify their reasoning not knowing that their 'science' is also a belief system as science is based on numerous ASSumptions in itself. Therefore one needs to 'believe' the ASSumptions to get to the perceived conclusions.
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Nope. Not all atheists use science as reasoning. Simple examples include Buddhist atheists who uses the spiritual teachings of Buddhism as a guide i life as opposed to the belief of an existence of a god or gods.

The second nope here is that science is not a belief system based on assumptions It is a method of investigating reality by testing hypotheses in order to ensure that the withstand the veracity of claims so that whenever they're being tested, it is shown to be true. Science is also not dogmatic like a "belief system" as new evidence can overturn any previous scientific understanding, and then move on with the new understanding thanks to the new evidence.

As a matter of fact, we are doing science everyday without the need to be in a lab. Whenever you test something in order to verify its authenticity and to verify it predictability as well, you are proving that the scientific method works, which is what we do whenever we try to test something in our everyday lives.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 5 2018, 09:43 AM)
So Yeah, short of God appearing to them personally, you will have a hard time to reason with them unless they are serious in seeking like the 'free thinkers'.
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That depends on whether if atheists believe in a god or not, but if they do, then they wouldn't be called an atheist anymore, wouldn't it?

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post Mar 5 2018, 10:56 AM

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Morning Guys..

You know, we all have our own hurts and been hurt in one way or another....God gave me a burden and a vision for this place to be a place of Hope, A sanctuary of friendship, fellowship to encourage each other in the Lord. This is suppose to be a place where you can rest without your walls.

We all have our opinions and not everyone will agree with us but don't allow whatever differences between our opinions to consume our life and we end up fighting one another. I have my faults, forgive me.

As the TS....just trying to implore you with this message of peace with the hope you don't take it the wrong way.


Matthew 5:9, James 3:17.

God Bless.












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post Mar 5 2018, 11:56 AM

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I am just Curious.. instead of people arguing about doctrines.. which can appear subjective with regards to different people's level of understanding and faith..

why don't anyone start talking about God's word and what it means..

For Example,

Has anyone considered the significance of Luke 8:43 - 48 about the woman who touched Jesus..

or the meaning of Matthew 26:22,
22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?

Has anyone asked, why is it that the disciples asked.. is it I ?

i think this forum serves a higher purpose besides the argument of different doctrines but also to help Christians understand the word of God even deeper.


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post Mar 5 2018, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 4 2018, 10:21 PM)
Yeeck  why do you even bother to entertain him in the first place, don't you know he once claimed he's higher than God himself laugh.gif
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I would think at this point, you really should not misrepresent other people. Especially the serious matter of me claiming that I am higher then God. In fact, knowing myself, I would not even say that my words are equal to that of God.

But then there is no smoke without fire. Perhaps at somepoint I did maybe say something along the lines that I am speaking the Words of God which is true. I mean if I am quoting from the Bible, technically, I am speaking from the Words of God. So no issue on that. I could probably also make the claim that I am a representative of God which I am by virtue of my status as a child of God.

And of course, being a child of God, which you really are not, God does give me some revelation not only pertaining to His Word but also to the world in general. For example, I could tell during the US Election that voting for Trump or Hillary is not going to mean anything because both are controlled. Anyway another story. Guess your brain would probably explode if I explain myself further.

The thing is, if you are serious about God, you would probably not levy false charges especially one as serious as the one that you just levied against me. You see, I understand that you have some health problems right? If you really are a Child of God, which I seriously doubt you are, do you really think God will actually allow you to lie about others and get away with it? You see, if you were a Child of God, you would probably be a little bit careful considering that you have health problems about sinning against others knowing that God could actually make your health even worse. But problem is, you are not really a Child of God. That is why, yeah your health could probably get better because your god is going to reward you.

Your lie against me was so great that even Yeeck is actually surprised. Someone, who has lots of reason to actually acknowledge your lies. Got to give it to Yeeck though. At least he still has some integrity.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Mar 5 2018, 12:13 PM
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post Mar 5 2018, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Mar 5 2018, 11:56 AM)
I am just Curious.. instead of people arguing about doctrines.. which can appear subjective with regards to different people's level of understanding and faith..

why don't anyone start talking about God's word and what it means..

For Example,

Has anyone considered the significance of Luke 8:43 - 48 about the woman who touched Jesus..

or the meaning of Matthew 26:22,
22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?

Has anyone asked, why is it that the disciples asked.. is it I ?

i think this forum serves a higher purpose besides the argument of different doctrines but also to help Christians understand the word of God even deeper.
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The reason why people are arguing is simple.
Because there are true and fake Christians out there. And someone who is really interested in the truth will probably be angry when the truth is misrepresented. I mean look it this way. If say I curse your mother, would you be angry? Similarly, if the truth is being misrepresented by people calling themself Christian, you should be even angrier right?
Luke14:26

If up to now, you still think that this thread is a platform to discuss about truth, you must be very deceived.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Mar 5 2018, 12:07 PM
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post Mar 5 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Mar 5 2018, 12:02 PM)
I would think at this point, you really should not misrepresent other people. Especially the serious matter of me claiming that I am higher then God. In fact, knowing myself, I would not even say that my words are equal to that of God.

But then there is no smoke without fire. Perhaps at somepoint I did maybe say something along the lines that I am speaking the Words of God which is true. I mean if I am quoting from the Bible, technically, I am speaking from the Words of God. So no issue on that.

And of course, being a child of God, which you really are not, God does give me some revelation not only pertaining to His Word but also to the world in general. For example, I could tell during the US Election that voting for Trump or Hillary is not going to mean anything because both are controlled. Anyway another story. Guess your brain would probably explode if I explain myself further.

The thing is, if you are serious about God, you would probably not levy false charges especially one as serious as the one that you just levied against me. You see, I understand that you have some health problems right? If you really are a Child of God, which I seriously doubt you are, do you really think God will actually allow you to lie about others and get away with it? You see, if you were a Child of God, you would probably be a little bit careful considering that you have health problems about sinning against others knowing that God could actually make your health even worse. But problem is, you are not really a Child of God. That is why, yeah your health could probably get better because your god is going to reward you.

Your lie against me was so great that even Yeeck is actually surprised. Someone, who has lots of reason to actually acknowledge your lies. Got to give it to Yeeck though. At least he still has some integrity.
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I'm against you? What a joke, from someone who said he is God prophet? One of the reasons I no longer posting here because of so many false message spread here each one fighting saying their doctrine is the right one.
Like zannes has mentioned in his post above, this fellowship has become a shameful thread and already veered far away from it first objectives that the first thread founders wanted. Arguing here and there is so shameless and become a laughing matters for other members who are non Christians
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 5 2018, 12:11 PM)
I'm against you? What a joke, from someone who said he is God prophet? One of the reasons I no longer posting here because of so many false message spread here each one fighting saying their doctrine is the right one.
Like zannes has mentioned in his post above, this fellowship has become a shameful thread and already veered far away from it first objectives that the first thread founders wanted. Arguing here and there is so shameless and become a laughing matters for other members who are non Christians
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Wow. That's a huge claim. Me saying that I am God's prohpet. Something which even my worst enemy would not make the claim that I said.
As I said earlier, if you really a child of God, you better stop lying. But then, you probably are not as I said.

Yeah I guess it's better to deceive other people then. I guess it is better to give the wrong impression that Christianity is not a serious religion whereby truth can be compromised.

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post Mar 5 2018, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Mar 5 2018, 12:15 PM)
Wow. That's a huge claim. Me saying that I am God's prohpet. Something which even my worst enemy would not make the claim that I said.
As I said earlier, if you really a child of God, you better stop lying. But then, you probably are not as I said.

Yeah I guess it's better to deceive other people then. I guess it is better to give the wrong impression that Christianity is not a serious religion whereby truth can be compromised.
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Only God knows who's lying here about the prophet claims
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post Mar 5 2018, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 5 2018, 12:20 PM)
Only God knows who's lying here about the prophet claims
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Yeah, Yeah.
Ooh. Now I remember.
I take back my words. I perhaps did make claims that I am a prophet.

But then look at what is the definition of a prophet.
https://www.gotquestions.org/prophet-Bible.html

Technically, a prophet is someone who speak God's Truth to others. And since I am doing that since I am speaking from the Bible, there is nothing wrong.

But then, you have the audacity to make the claim that I said that I am higher then God?

I am not taking back my claim that you are really a Child of the Devil.

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QUOTE(zanness @ Mar 5 2018, 11:56 AM)
I am just Curious.. instead of people arguing about doctrines.. which can appear subjective with regards to different people's level of understanding and faith..

why don't anyone start talking about God's word and what it means..

For Example,

Has anyone considered the significance of Luke 8:43 - 48 about the woman who touched Jesus..

or the meaning of Matthew 26:22,
22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?

Has anyone asked, why is it that the disciples asked.. is it I ?

i think this forum serves a higher purpose besides the argument of different doctrines but also to help Christians understand the word of God even deeper.
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Ah ... why don't you start ... on the a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years?

Definitely, the gospel's purpose itself is to present the Savior as a genuine, normal, and perfect Man and His salvation in the highest standard of morality.

What does the case show with regards to the Lord?
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post Mar 5 2018, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Mar 5 2018, 12:06 PM)
The reason why people are arguing is simple.
Because there are true and fake Christians out there. And someone who is really interested in the truth will probably be angry when the truth is misrepresented. I mean look it this way. If say I curse your mother, would you be angry? Similarly, if the truth is being misrepresented by people calling themself Christian, you should be even angrier right?
Luke14:26

If up to now, you still think that this thread is a platform to discuss about truth, you must be very deceived.
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True or fake, who are we to lay the judgement.. we are to defend ourselves from fake prophets.. never in the bible were we asked to attack.. .

and by learning God's word in depth, it is an even more effective manner to defend from false prophets or false doctrines..

2 Timothy 2:15-19
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Faith cometh by hearing.. not by arguing..
Romans 10:16,17
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And to your anger in truth...
Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

What more does the Bible say about those need reproof of doctrines?
Hebrews 5:11-14
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Up to now, i don't see how this thread is beneficial to Christians.. (benefit of doubt to those who think they are saved but are not).. It is a sad thing that this thread is a thread of arguments rather than a thread for Christians to grow..grow as in taking meat rather than milk..

Exactly what Satan would have desired to happen.. give a bunch of people argue.. and yet turning round and round the bush..

1 Corinthians 3:4-11
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post Mar 5 2018, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Mar 5 2018, 12:32 PM)
True or fake, who are we to lay the judgement.. we are to defend ourselves from fake prophets.. never in the bible were we asked to attack.. .

and by learning God's word in depth, it is an even more effective manner to defend from false prophets or false doctrines..

2 Timothy 2:15-19
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Faith cometh by hearing.. not by arguing..
Romans 10:16,17
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And to your anger in truth...
Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

What more does the Bible say about those need reproof of doctrines?
Hebrews 5:11-14
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Up to now, i don't see how this thread is beneficial to Christians.. (benefit of doubt to those who think they are saved but are not).. It is a sad thing that this thread is a thread of arguments rather than a thread for Christians to grow..grow as in taking meat rather than milk..

Exactly what Satan would have desired to happen.. give a bunch of people argue.. and yet turning round and round the bush..

1 Corinthians 3:4-11
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Your discernment is actually very, very lacking.
If you really are interested in learning and debating on the truth, this thread is not the best place to do so. If you cannot see that up to now, you seriously are very deceived.

I guess Jesus was wrong then for being angry when the pharaisees where misrepresenting the truth.

1 Corinthiams 3:4-11 does not apply to this thread. If you think it applies, I guess your eyes have not opened yet.

That's my point. If you still think this is really a Christian Thread, even after reading the things here, I really got nothing to say to you.

You quoted
2 Timothy 2:15-19
Maybe you should actually read 2:timothy 2:16-19 more carefully again?

I hope you are not like a certain person that you "discussed" before but then at the same time, just want to hear doctrines that tickle your ears.

Maybe you should go and read the verse that states that we should not share pearls to swines?

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Mar 5 2018, 12:23 PM)
Yeah, Yeah.
Ooh. Now I remember.
I take back my words. I perhaps did make claims that I am a prophet.

But then look at what is the definition of a prophet.
https://www.gotquestions.org/prophet-Bible.html

Technically, a prophet is someone who speak God's Truth to others. And since I am doing that since I am speaking from the Bible, there is nothing wrong.

But then, you have the audacity to make the claim that I said that I am higher then God?

I am not taking back my claim that you are really a Child of the Devil.
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Oh now, he remembered and can take back his claim which was one year ago.
Me child of devil? You must be really holy then should I call you the holy one? laugh.gif

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