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post Mar 5 2018, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 5 2018, 10:51 PM)
There is no verse in the Bible that is against inter-marriage. what ever suit your taste man.

He should buy bitcoin. lol
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Actually think about it. He could really make a lot of money by monetising his channel. Let's be objective here. He is much better then this Robert breaker guy. If he wants to he could actually make more money. And he could also be politically correct too. But then monetising preaching is obviously unethical. If I were him, I would be dissapointed as well. Anyways if I cannot even help him with a small token after I have gained from watching his videos do you think God will bless me? I mean we are willing to pay much more for a secular educational video right?

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 5 2018, 08:36 AM)
This statement implies Allah and Yahweh are the same god.  So your statement that they would not be worshipping the same God as we do does not seem to line up with the statement in your RCC Catechism.

Maybe we do worship a different Jesus. We do not make an idol out of Him!   laugh.gif
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I admit that statement in the CCC is rather careless as it seems to be written by someone with an ecumenical mindset rather than precise doctrinaire language. However, at best we can only say the same God is one Creator of all, whether Christian or not.

If you mean making images of Jesus is equivalent of making an idol of Him, heck even Protestants make use of images of Jesus. laugh.gif

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post Mar 6 2018, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 6 2018, 12:09 AM)
I admit that statement in the CCC is rather careless as it seems to be written by someone with an ecumenical mindset rather than precise doctrinaire language. However, at best we can only say the same God is one Creator of all, whether Christian or not.

If you mean making images of Jesus is equivalent of making an idol of Him, heck even Protestants make use of images of Jesus. laugh.gif
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THAT was a statement from your CATHECISM. You can say what you like. BUT that is the stand of your RCC. That's HERESY.

IF you disagree with this, why don't you bring it up with your bishop, cardinals and POPE?
The pope seems to be ok with this statement? No?

Heck, I am not one of those who needs a graven image to worship the Creator God, ESPECIALLY when He specifically FORBIDS it.
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post Mar 6 2018, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 5 2018, 02:19 PM)
You forget to add that ex Atheist who were SErious in finding out, managed to rationally argued their way to becoming Christians.
I am not referring to your biological specie, but to your worldview and mindset.
You should de construct my paragraph to make an out of context statement.
Well, this is not about the invisible pink unicorn. Did you read about Jesus in its context? Or you just rejected it without research?
OR you just like to take scriptures verse and make God as a blood thirsty, vengeful being? 


Most Atheists would use science as the evidence to the absence of God.

Most tests have its own set of assumptions.
Yeah...science is a changing chameleon, depending on its controlling environment and what suits it.
God's TRUTH is unchanging. Its absolute and non moving, non dependat on MAN's moods and evil desires. That's the reason it is dependable and trustworthy because the originator is not a chameleon.
An Atheist who believes in God is an oxymoron.  Well, they always say, "if God showed Himself, then I may believe"
Well, He did in Jesus Christ.  Go and research as a scientist and then conclude.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 6 2018, 09:45 AM)
THAT was a statement from your CATHECISM. You can say what you like. BUT that is the stand of your RCC. That's HERESY.

  IF you disagree with this, why don't you bring it up with your bishop, cardinals and POPE?
The pope seems to be ok with this statement?  No? 

Heck, I am not one of those who needs a graven image to worship the Creator God, ESPECIALLY when He specifically FORBIDS it.
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Good catch.

This actually shows that when it comes to doctrines, Catholics seem to be rather "flexible". Thought they are the "true" church.

Also shows that for some people, when the truth is being shown to them, instead of repenting and being receptive, they actually defend their obvious error.

I know that Yeeck called me a "rabid" anti catholic.

But then Yeeck, you are going to be condemned not because you are a Catholic, but because you reject the Truth. See. I have proven that I am not a "rabid" anti catholic.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 6 2018, 09:45 AM)
THAT was a statement from your CATHECISM. You can say what you like. BUT that is the stand of your RCC. That's HERESY.

  IF you disagree with this, why don't you bring it up with your bishop, cardinals and POPE?
The pope seems to be ok with this statement?  No? 

Heck, I am not one of those who needs a graven image to worship the Creator God, ESPECIALLY when He specifically FORBIDS it.
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Pope Gregory VII also wrote something similar to a Muslim Sultan:

"For there is nothing which Almighty God, who wishes that all men should be saved and that no man should perish, more approves in our conduct than that a man should first love God and then his fellow men ... Most certainly you and we ought to love each other in this way more than other races of men, because we believe and confess one God, albeit in different ways, whom each day we praise and reverence as the creator of all ages and the governor of this world."

However, the Church does not teach that Muslims are saved by Islam and Christians are saved by Christ. She's not denying the need to evangelize even to the Muslims. Thus the issue on that sentence if read alone is that it can be misinterpreted.

Believing in the One God is not the same as believing in the Same God.

Not all statues are not idols, as I've explained in many posts in the Catholic thread before and also to rabid anti-Catholics like sylar. And certainly God did not forbid making images.

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 6 2018, 11:58 AM)
Pope Gregory VII also wrote something similar to a Muslim Sultan:

"For there is nothing which Almighty God, who wishes that all men should be saved and that no man should perish, more approves in our conduct than that a man should first love God and then his fellow men ... Most certainly you and we ought to love each other in this way more than other races of men, because we believe and confess one God, albeit in different ways, whom each day we praise and reverence as the creator of all ages and the governor of this world."

However, the Church does not teach that Muslims are saved by Islam and Christians are saved by Christ. She's not denying the need to evangelize even to the Muslims. Thus the issue on that sentence if read alone is that it can be misinterpreted.

Not all statues are not idols, as I've explained in many posts in the Catholic thread before and also to rabid anti-Catholics like sylar. And certainly God did not forbid making images.
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Please share what's the stance of rcc in trinity God? If I'm not wrong rcc believe in trinity too, but why does rcc preaching about God the Father only?
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 6 2018, 12:02 PM)
Please share what's the stance of rcc in trinity God? If I'm not wrong rcc believe in trinity too, but why does rcc preaching about God the Father only?
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What do you mean by RCC preaching about God the Father only? We believe in God as the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God, Three Persons, not Three Gods.

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post Mar 6 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 6 2018, 12:04 PM)
What do you mean by RCC preaching about God the Father only? We believe in God as the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God, Three Persons, not Three Gods.

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Based on your posts earlier keep mentioning God The Creator, which sound like only one God
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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Mar 5 2018, 10:15 AM)
Nope, both atheists and theists are homosapiens, which is why there are Christians who are ex-Christians who became an atheist and vice versa, while being the same species in the animal kingdom.
Nope, atheists do not reject the concept, we merely do not believe in it. It would be like saying we reject the concept of the invisible pink unicorn when it's clear that we merely do not believe in it in the first place to even have the capacity to reject or accept the concept at all.

Nope. Not all atheists use science as reasoning. Simple examples include Buddhist atheists who uses the spiritual teachings of Buddhism as a guide i life as opposed to the belief of an existence of a god or gods.

The second nope here is that science is not a belief system based on assumptions It is a method of investigating reality by testing hypotheses in order to ensure that the withstand the veracity of claims so that whenever they're being tested, it is shown to be true. Science is also not dogmatic like a "belief system" as new evidence can overturn any previous scientific understanding, and then move on with the new understanding thanks to the new evidence.

As a matter of fact, we are doing science everyday without the need to be in a lab. Whenever you test something in order to verify its authenticity and to verify it predictability as well, you are proving that the scientific method works, which is what we do whenever we try to test something in our everyday lives.
That depends on whether if atheists believe in a god or not, but if they do, then they wouldn't be called an atheist anymore, wouldn't it?
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Just a quick note.
Atheistic, Scientific Buddhism.

Wow. So, I just have to put a scientific on anything and suddenly it becomes the truth.
That's pretty funny. I never knew that Buddhism was "scientific". I mean I am sure those arrr Scientific, Athiestic Buddhist do not believe in concepts like reincarnation and rebirth. Guess those concepts are "scientific" right? I am sure those Atheistic Buddhist have major issues with non atheistic Buddhist when it comes to their "religious beliefs" like idols and chanting. I am sure those Atheistic Buddhist have issue with monks who spends their time praying in temples and wasting sorry I mean dedicating their entire life trying to achieve godhood sorry I mean nivarna. No those are not spiritual. They are actually scientific.

Guess as long as I put the term scientific in Christianity, you will probably be more "receptive" to it right?
Actually the bible does have something to say on science though.
1 Timothy 6:19-21
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

I know you do not believe the Bible but then, God is actually pointing His finger towards you. Thing is, you really have no excuse right now when you meet up with God on judgement day.

Of course, you hate God so much that you are willing to defend even Buddhism just because it's "scientific". It's a real pity actually.

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Mar 6 2018, 12:11 PM)
Based on your posts earlier keep mentioning God The Creator, which sound like only one God
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Of course there is only One God, how many Gods do you believe in? And He created the universe. hmm.gif
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Talking about blessing,I've read a book today which I've read halfway and stop reading it for sometimes. So I restart reading from beginning and here I found a very interesting sentence blessing

What's your views on blessing?
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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Mar 6 2018, 10:26 AM)
I would love to correct the massive and blatant misconceptions and the misinformation here about atheists, but this is the Christian Lounge, and we think we shouldn't discuss about atheism here. Would you like to continue our discussion in the LYN Atheist and Agnostics thread instead?
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No.

Since you are here, please clarify it here to all the Christians here.

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post Mar 6 2018, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 6 2018, 11:58 AM)
Pope Gregory VII also wrote something similar to a Muslim Sultan:

"For there is nothing which Almighty God, who wishes that all men should be saved and that no man should perish, more approves in our conduct than that a man should first love God and then his fellow men ... Most certainly you and we ought to love each other in this way more than other races of men, because we believe and confess one God, albeit in different ways, whom each day we praise and reverence as the creator of all ages and the governor of this world."

However, the Church does not teach that Muslims are saved by Islam and Christians are saved by Christ. She's not denying the need to evangelize even to the Muslims. Thus the issue on that sentence if read alone is that it can be misinterpreted.

Believing in the One God is not the same as believing in the Same God.

Not all statues are not idols, as I've explained in many posts in the Catholic thread before and also to rabid anti-Catholics like sylar. And certainly God did not forbid making images.
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'Different ways'.....hmmm......includes salvation perhaps. By declaring the above statement tells the Muslims that we are worshipping the same god. Allah and Yahweh are same, revealed 'differently'. HERESY.

If the revelations to Muhammed are true, Christianity is false. God is no chameleon. He does not change according to the whims and fancies of man.

Not all statues are idols.

BUT ALL STATUES ARE GRAVEN IMAGES.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6459 pesel: an idol, image
Original Word: פֶּ֫סֶל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: pesel
Phonetic Spelling: (peh'-sel)
Short Definition: image
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from pasal
Definition
an idol, image
NASB Translation
carved image (2), graven image (14), graven images (1), idol (10), idols (3), image (1).

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 6 2018, 04:18 PM)
'Different ways'.....hmmm......includes salvation perhaps. By declaring the above statement tells the Muslims that we are worshipping the same god. Allah and Yahweh are same, revealed 'differently'.  HERESY.

If the revelations to Muhammed are true, Christianity is false. God is no chameleon. He does not change according to the whims and fancies of man.

Not all statues are idols.

BUT ALL STATUES ARE GRAVEN IMAGES. 

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6459 pesel: an idol, image
Original Word: פֶּ֫סֶל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: pesel
Phonetic Spelling: (peh'-sel)
Short Definition: image
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from pasal
Definition
an idol, image
NASB Translation
carved image (2), graven image (14), graven images (1), idol (10), idols (3), image (1).
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Definitely not salvation unless you want to read it further than what it says as it is.

As for graven images, interesting that God in the OT allows graven images to be carved for religious purposes. smile.gif
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 6 2018, 04:37 PM)
Definitely not salvation unless you want to read it further than what it says as it is.

As for graven images, interesting that God in the OT allows graven images to be carved for religious purposes. smile.gif
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Yeah... GOD allowed golden calf.?
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 6 2018, 04:37 PM)
Definitely not salvation unless you want to read it further than what it says as it is.

As for graven images, interesting that God in the OT allows graven images to be carved for religious purposes. smile.gif
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The statement alone that we worship the same god is HERESY.

Definitely the images such as the cherubims are not meant to be worshipped, bowed before. These were given on strict instructions from God Himself.

However, RCC likes to take it further that worship, veneration, bowing, kissing of statues of Mary and Jesus are greatly encouraged.
Did God give you that instruction to make graven images of Mary and Jesus and to be venerated and worshipped, etc?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 6 2018, 04:52 PM)
The statement alone that we worship the same god is HERESY. 

Definitely the images such as the cherubims are not meant to be worshipped, bowed before. These were given on strict instructions from God Himself.

However, RCC likes to take it further that worship, veneration, bowing, kissing of statues of Mary and Jesus are greatly encouraged.
Did God give you that instruction to make graven images of Mary and Jesus and to be venerated and worshipped, etc?
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It did not say the Same God, it says the One God.

Quick one, did God ask Protestants to kneel down in front of their bibles as if they are worshipping their bibles? laugh.gif

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